The Syndicate

gg all. thanks to nova for hosting! the wolves played a really strong game and both BoKnows and strawhenge had me fooled at various points because of their tonal purity

lots of things i wish i had done differently in this game (such as trusting my instincts and keeping up my WIM even when the game felt exhausting) and lots of things i wish had gone differently, but it's all a learning experience. hope no one beats themselves up about this game too hard, everyone put in a lot of work regardless of their alignment

honestly i would just kill oddmerta strawhenge and boknows back to back and if the game doesnt end then w/e

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:53 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:42 am i am unsure why oddmerta has slipped under the radar as much as he has

michelle green checked him so like, unless he’s a godfather or something (which is possible since marmot was) he’s a villager

gonna be honest: i completely, 100% forgot about that

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:51 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:46 am

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:46 am I'm drunk so SPF is obviously pocketing me

its ok im high and high people are legally not allowed to lie

I will join you

nice

i lock townread u now

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:46 am I'm drunk so SPF is obviously pocketing me

its ok im high and high people are legally not allowed to lie

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:43 am There is reasonable reason to believe everyone left is town lol

now this is a tinfoil theory that i absolutely want to be true

i am unsure why oddmerta has slipped under the radar as much as he has

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:40 am occam’s razor is out. tinfoiling wildly outlandish theories that make absolutely no sense is in

good point

nanook/michelle/hally mafia team. im calling it now

in fact, im just going to occams razor the rest of this game. occams razor tells me that michelle, nanook, hally, and KZA are town. cool.

i was pinged by KZA being like "just kill JPIC tomorrow and then clear me when he flips scum", because it showed a disproportionate amount of confidence relative to how KZA usually reads things

but i do think occams razor points to him just being town

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:07 am nook can you just shoot someone tonight so we can speed this up and resolve people? i don’t get the point of protecting people instead of shooting when every kill appears to be a strongman. protecting is not gonna do anything

^^seconding

i literally have a protective ability that i used on the nightkill target on n1 and the kill still went through

there's no point lmao

why do you wolfread me, kza?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:52 am this doesn’t even feel like a mafia game anymore. we’re just randomly throwing shit at the wall and praying it sticks

has anyone gone through iso’s to check for jpic interactions? we have a wolf flip from the other team now, which we all said we needed to make the game clearer. has anyone done anything with that or are ww just gonna randomly kill people?

yeah i feel kind of guilty for not doing things

and then my guiltiness makes me avoid the thread for longer out of anxiety

and then when i finally come back to the thread i am met with massive information overload in a threadstate full of people (including myself) who arent trying and my head goes blank and im unable to find the motivation to do things

it's tough

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:49 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:47 am how many people here 100% unconditionally trust michelle, nanook, and hally? is it even remotely possible for any of those players to be wolves?

that's the question that will probably be the key to solving the game

i’ve resigned myself to losing if michelle or nook is a wolf because i lack the willpower to eliminate them and signs point to them just being villagers. if they’re wolves i’ll just say gg and that we probably were never winning so w/e

i'm about at the same place

michelle could be a wolf in theory (and her not dying is so god damn perplexing) but her switcharoo on her report on alison was incredibly villagery and so was the way that she shielded ted - she's just been villagery in general and if she ends up being a wolf then that sucks

i have less reasons to clear nanook but i just dont find him wolfy

if im being honest, i think that people jumped the gun on assuming that you are Mechanically Clear and i am worried about the fact that youre still alive, but i do think that youre really villagery and i think some of the posts youve made in this game are somewhat out of the scumrange ive seen from you, even though i know youre a great wolf

how many people here 100% unconditionally trust michelle, nanook, and hally? is it even remotely possible for any of those players to be wolves?

that's the question that will probably be the key to solving the game

y'all should check me so that i can stop being tinfoiled even after i gave a vest to the literal vigilante :P

why did we even do that lmao

frankly i would probably kill oddmerta/strawhenge before we test esooa

but it seems like the outcome of today is already partially decided

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:04 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:03 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:02 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:01 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:58 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:54 pm i knew that i was giving someone a 2-shot ability. i did not know what the ability was

Weird. What info did you have on the estates you gave to other people?

basically nothing - all i knew is that it was a 2-shot ability

Every estate you gave to someone was a 2-shot ability, you mean?

yup, although the specific wording of my role implied that not ~every~ town player who flipped would have an estate i could gift to other people

it ended up not mattering much, since ive barely gotten many estates because of the no flip mechanics :P

And you can protect someone on the same night as giving an estate to someone? Who all have you protected?

yes, assuming that i actually have an estate to give

i protected jaggedjimmyjay, hally, michelle, nanook in that order

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:02 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:01 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:58 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:54 pm i knew that i was giving someone a 2-shot ability. i did not know what the ability was

Weird. What info did you have on the estates you gave to other people?

basically nothing - all i knew is that it was a 2-shot ability

Every estate you gave to someone was a 2-shot ability, you mean?

yup, although the specific wording of my role implied that not ~every~ town player who flipped would have an estate i could gift to other people

it ended up not mattering much, since ive barely gotten many estates because of the no flip mechanics :P

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:58 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:54 pm i knew that i was giving someone a 2-shot ability. i did not know what the ability was

Weird. What info did you have on the estates you gave to other people?

basically nothing - all i knew is that it was a 2-shot ability

i feel like oddmerta is fishing for reasons to double down in his confidence about me being a wolf, instead of actually thinking that im wolfy

i think oddmerta wants me to be a wolf more than he actually wolfreads me, which is exactly how i would characterize his push on sloonei

at what point should i just consider this outing for him as well?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:53 am SPF protected me in the night I peeked Odd and a superkill failed, and didn't protect me last night when a superkill failed and I peeked Straw?

Is this correct @staypositivefriend ?

yes, that's correct

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:44 pm SPF's weird estate claim is making my head spin, not unlike the trooper claim(s). Most of the claim seems very congruent with the nature of the rolecards we've seen flipped. Intricate, flavor-heavy; if SPF is making it up, it's highly creative and she should be commended.

But there's one part that's a little hinky to me:

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:04 pm (snip)

my third ability is that i am given an estate by every dead town player*, and i am able to "gift" those estates to any player in the game, which gives them a certain type of ability that i do not know the details of

(snip)

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:48 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:47 pm Also don't you know the answer already? You know what you sent me yeah?

yeah, i just wanted to make sure that you werent lying about the nature of your vest with malicious intent - i know the answer

i knew what modifier the vest would come with, but i didn't know that it would be a vest. even so, i knew it would be something powerful

SPF, do you know what you give people, or don't you?

i knew that i was giving someone a 2-shot ability. i did not know what the ability was

nailed it

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:19 am @staypositivefriend back when you where asking the thread for motivational sayings. Did you use any of them?


Mine was 'When life gives you lemons, keep the seeds and plant a tree.'

i ended up choosing some random albert einstein quote off of google images but yours was among my favorite suggestions

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:14 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:12 am as someone who is also on the east coast, i can relate to wildly unpredictable and torturous weather cycles

luckily i will be moving to california soon, where i will hopefully never see snow again :P

oh nice, gl with the move

thank u! i have literally never been to the western part of america before so im excited for it

as someone who is also on the east coast, i can relate to wildly unpredictable and torturous weather cycles

luckily i will be moving to california soon, where i will hopefully never see snow again :P

we've reached the point of the game where im tinfoiling hally

i suppose it's fair to say that it would reflect very poorly on me mechanically if i blocked michelle from getting a report on strawhenge

generally though, the fact that i have not even remotely wolfsided with either of my powerful abilities should spew me as town more than anything else

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:09 pm If you did that you'd be soft outed lol

ehh

if michelle came in and said "i got no report on strawhenge, i dont know why" i am doubtful that people would have linked it to me

oh i just thought of an extremely obvious argument for why im town

my ability isnt just protective - it lets me protect people from all actions during the night, which includes investigative reports/being driven/etc etc

so there's no world where i dont use my ability on strawhenge last night - if he's a villager then i wouldnt want michelle to get a check on him unless i already knew he was a miller, and if he was a wolf then i wouldnt want a check on him either

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:52 pm So you're arguing yoh should be town cause you sent me a vest but you didn't know you were sending me a vest, yeah?

well im moreso arguing that i knew i was sending you something explicitly useful/powerful, and sending you something useful/powerful that could be used twice. i wouldn't send that to the clear vig

(i also would not claim to have a protective ability if i ever intended to endgame as a wolf for obvious reasons)

actually, i outed it earlier in the thread already lol

it's a 2-shot modifier

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:47 pm Also don't you know the answer already? You know what you sent me yeah?

yeah, i just wanted to make sure that you werent lying about the nature of your vest with malicious intent - i know the answer

i knew what modifier the vest would come with, but i didn't know that it would be a vest. even so, i knew it would be something powerful

did it come with any modifiers?

hang on nanook, can you tell me the specific details of the vest you got?

honestly, i didn't use either of my abilities last night. it didn't make that big of a difference because i am fairly certain that i didnt have any estates left to send (because i didnt get alison's estate since her alignment wasnt revealed), and because the mafia have a superkill that has already been proven to go past my protective ability

on that note, i think the case for me being town is pretty damn obvious. if im a wolf and i have the ability to send a vest to someone, it would be incredibly suboptimal of me to send it to nanook, the dude who has shot confirmed scum, instead of just killing him off during the night. i have consistently POE'd every flipped wolf, although i can admit that JPIC was in my upper POE for most of the game - he never did that much to make me actively worry about him

i am deflated for non-game related reasons so im not sure how much youll get out of me today, but im pretty blatantly town and i have been since this game started

giving a vest to the confirmed vigilante is a mafia sided role?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:45 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:43 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:41 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:40 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:39 pm We should flip spf

Over Straw and Esooa?

Yep

spicy take. Once again idk if I'm in the mood for spicy.

What's you case?

She has a wolf role and does a lot of wolf things

why is it a wolf role?

if strawhenge is a wolf and he knew he was being investigated, it raises the question of why he waited the full 24 hours to fakeclaim miller instead of claiming it immediately

but i would need an in-depth explanation of the thought process behind hiding his miller claim for me to buy it - im considering his claim as outing for now

why can't today be KILO? we have 22 players in this game and only 4 flipped confirmed scum - there are multiple wolves/3ps alive even in the best case scenario

i dont really believe strawhenge's sudden addition to his rolecard - i think he would have said that immediately when he made his full claim instead of deciding to arbitrarily hide it

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:49 pm I woke up to see this good news, thanks Odd!

my result on Strawhenge: scum.

I don't want to speculate about what happened, i let you do this.
Cya in the morning

do you hardclaim that?

funnily enough, i didnt even use my protective ability tonight

i do think that nanook is clear, though

i dont know that i would consider KZA or BK "clear" but i agree that they both come out of this looking better

"If he targets the same player twice, he will also learn their flavor name."

^^this could be relevant to the fact that jpic claimed to have tracked kza twice

nice!

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:20 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:10 pm yeah, JPIC not posting at all isn't a good look for him, even though i'm sure he might feel a little demotivated as either alignment. i'm fine with him going over today and i think he's an inevitable chop regardless of his alignment

strawhenge/boknows have felt the most villagery to me so far today

Do you intend to prove your "remove a player from the poll" ability you claimed earlier?

i can prove it tonight if needed!