The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:30 pm JPIC and Sloonei definitely powerwolfing here

No

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:17 pm That said, I still think we should spend the bulk of this day reaffirming our town reads. The next 24 hours are very busy for me, so I won't be much help. But I think it's wise to spend this time going over the players we've ruled out just in case we've missed anything. The last wolf may be hard to find, but if we lock everybody else in as town, there is nowhere to hide.

I won't be of much help tonight either. But the people I have ruled out so far are: creature, falcon, belzy and porscha

I assume that is everybody's list of people who are ruled out

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:15 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:01 pm If we are struggling to find a suspect after LinearPoint, let me suggest again that a lost wolf may exist in this game.
I'd be stunned if there is a lost wolf within the confirms (belzy/Porscha, Falcon and Creature). Dya is the only one who has mech who I could see being a likely candidate.

I guess Creature is possible if he shows up as good but then changes when all mafia are dead. but that seems doubtful
You are the only person who makes sense as a lost wolf to me. Perhaps dya as well.

I assume I would be a candidate for people that aren't me.

yes you'd be a candidate for me too

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:08 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:05 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:28 am if you think im mafia with the way tsp, mac and alexa treated me this game then lol
Expand on this plz. Can you go over point form how you feel each of those player's treated your slot?
Just read their ISO and look at how they talk about me, but I'll briefly go over

TSP called me a save by Mac and tried to link me as scum with Mac

and then Mac tried to push me as scum with TSP because of the above and trying to tie me with TSP

can't remember what Alexa said about me but I think it's pretty clear from my posts that I lacked any sort of TMI on Alexa's slot.

oh I remember now, Alexa accused me of having TMI on c4 after his flip to further slander my good name

Radish had me as top town in the PoE. He was a good vegetable

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:01 pm If we are struggling to find a suspect after LinearPoint, let me suggest again that a lost wolf may exist in this game.

I'd be stunned if there is a lost wolf within the confirms (belzy/Porscha, Falcon and Creature). Dya is the only one who has mech who I could see being a likely candidate.

I guess Creature is possible if he shows up as good but then changes when all mafia are dead. but that seems doubtful

Just putting it out there that if I was mafia I know what Alexa is going to flip after that modkill. I'm biased but my posts scream a lack of TMI and I think I would have tried to set myself in a more favourable position from the flip

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:35 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:35 am alexa - likely to just be town for raisins
Belzy - mech on porscha
dyachei - killed marmot. town stock dramatically rose with ilario 3p claim
falcon45ca - outted TSP and confirmed radishes. Is just town for the P&G crap at day 3.
LinearPoint - gave vest to alexa. Likely town if alexa town
Porscha - mech on belzy

My POE is probably just this:

Creature
DrWilgy
ilario
Paopan
sabie12
Sloonei

Sloonei/creature are probably the towniest people in my PoE.

Pao is just outrageously scummy and if he is town then he's not doing a great job of showcasing his townie self. Day 2 votes look decent and the fact nobody is defending him gives me some pause. A wolf!pao heavily implies that sabie is a wolf as well.

and then DrWilgy exists as a slot. An enigma.

If there is a mafia outside of my PoE then I think we lose as we will never get there. Pao and Sabie feel like the most likely hits in my poe outside of Ilario who is a claimed 3p (they're never endgaming).
I'm going thru your ISO, and I'm having trouble seeing your progression on Sloon...you are SR him now, yes?

Found this....you give a total garbage "raisin" for TR Alexa, and LP I see is in the list for also less than ideal reasons.

How do you read LP now?

Creature, Wilgy, Ilario, Pao all town in your POE btw. Are sabie & Sloon teammates?

No, I townread Sloon. I just had him in my PoE because I still had mild paranoia. As I said earlier, his likely partners (wilgy and Pao) all flipped town.

The "raisin" reason was that I thought Alexa was town just for the modkill. I didn't want to go any further than that because I thought it was slightly angleshootey. Hence the brief 'raisin'.

My PoE at the time of that post was all based around the world that Alexa was town. Obviously with the mafia flip it changes a lot in my world.

tbh at the start of the day I thought LP could still be town because I thought the vest thing was unlikely partner. Then obviously you came in with the creature green check and that changed things and my PoE was too small that it was impossible not to include LP.

Like my PoE is now

Sloonei
sabie
LP

I wouldn't be shocked if the wolves are LP and sabie, and dya is the lost wolf (if there is one).

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:42 pm tsp spewed me town and jpic mafia at the same time imo

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:15 pm
Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:13 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:22 am Mac saved jpic Mac saved jpic someone get him

this is tsp spewing jpic wolf and pre-empting me looking outed for saving him

like lol

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:05 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:28 am if you think im mafia with the way tsp, mac and alexa treated me this game then lol
Expand on this plz. Can you go over point form how you feel each of those player's treated your slot?

Just read their ISO and look at how they talk about me, but I'll briefly go over

TSP called me a save by Mac and tried to link me as scum with Mac

and then Mac tried to push me as scum with TSP because of the above and trying to tie me with TSP

can't remember what Alexa said about me but I think it's pretty clear from my posts that I lacked any sort of TMI on Alexa's slot.

From my PoV, sloonei’s only realistic partner was paopan and wilgy. They both flipped town.

also, the four wagons all ended up being town. Why would I associate and link myself to dizzy like that so early in the game if I was mafia when I would have wanted to try and distance myself a bit more instead of going for a *suspicious* vote

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:24 am I am ISOing Jpic rn.

So far, at Qfr, Jpic only voted for townies, I was never impressed with their reasons for it, as Jpic easily joins the easy wagons, trusted and followed Dizzy on Ender, but why? Defended Mac not being able be scum with TSP, I disagreed, see Qft, and Jpic was proven wrong.

explained this many times

I townread dizzy, was EoD (literally 10 mins left in the day) and didn't have time to check Dizzy's case

if you think im mafia with the way tsp, mac and alexa treated me this game then lol

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:24 am I am ISOing Jpic rn.

So far, at Qfr, Jpic only voted for townies, I was never impressed with their reasons for it, as Jpic easily joins the easy wagons, trusted and followed Dizzy on Ender, but why? Defended Mac not being able be scum with TSP, I disagreed, see Qft, and Jpic was proven wrong.

I voted for TSP (before the red check)

oh everyone is gone

My recent games if you are interested in some light reading

Town:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... oner-21-er
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ionship%29

Mafia:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship

The mac and tsp thing isn’t fair because it was strange from my perspective and would have been strange for anyone

Yeaj i was wrong an Alexa and Dizzy

Sue me

What you forget to mention is all the times i defended the villagers who were up on the chopping block

I was out of my scum range days ago

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:28 am Final scum has to be Lp qnd Jpic.

We got too many reasons for others to be town. Lp is clearly connected to Alexa, and if you ISO Jpic you will see Jpic always defending scum by wrongly saying they cannot be teamed, and keeps voting for townies, just *trusting* the wrong person on the wrong wagon.

Look at my treatment to alexa and tell me with a straight face that was someone who had tmi

Did ilario claim if he commuted that night?

Im going to bed

Read me

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:28 pm My theory was that belzy and porscha are something akin to tragic lovers. Toxic masons sounds like it could be that. One is town one is mafia. Porschas reaction to alexa outing felt fake to me. Like alexa had no reason to out them even if she was town because they were not at risk of being voted. Belzy was super protective if alexa even after that and super adamant about paopan. I wanted to believe paopan was town but he wasn't really helping anyone figure that out at all.

Some of these roles appear to be from past games. At least Alexa was a role that came from Witcher mafia

Have we had anything last year akin to what you have described wrt toxic masons?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:16 pm OK, Neeko is dumb so you can just lynch her.
She can only act on odd nights and thought last night was night 5 not night 4.
So the target choice was just ignored. She wanted to give it to Falcon, but it was the wrong night.

Then you couldn’t have given a vest?

The gift was obviously redirected to the invisible man

also alexa might have been hoping to have their poison healed as well

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:39 pm I also have some mild concern that Dya is setup as a deeeeeeeeeeeep wolf

But no....not today. We musn't dwell...

I guess it isn't impossible that they're the "lost wolf" if there actually is one

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:33 pm I think there is very little question that the mafia team was banking on alexa going deep and end gaming here. She was at least half of their longterm play. Ilario blew that up out of nowhere and, I suspect, upended a lot of plans they had set in motion.

I think at least one of those plans may have been allowing alexa to bury sabie. They probably did not expect to end up together in the walrus chat, but seeing as they were in there with a civilian (Belzy), they needed to treat it as a public space. Mac was an obvious kill target, and they had little room to avoid that as long as Belzy was there. The "plan" for sabie to shoot paopan in the night was never actually going to happen, and the real plan was for alexa to bury sabie for not shooting (with the help of Belzy), and then chop paopan the next day (today) once sabie flipped mafia.

Sabie's claim about shooting c4 as a vig is also made dubious by alexa's claims to have been targeted the same night. We now know that she was, in fact, not the mafia's kill target. This can be taken as an indication that c4 was the actual mafia kill target. Sabie did perform the kill, so her claiming of that kill was not dishonest in case she was caught in the act. She has not performed any additional kills since her first one because it was a 1-shot ability. She has been wielding the potential to shoot somebody since Night 1, but has not actually done so.

Additionally, if Alexa was not the N2 kill target, we have no reason to believe her claims about having been given a vest. She was bulletproof anyway. It is not impossible for LinearPoint's role to be true by coincidence. Indeed, it's possible Alexa really did receive a vest, and worked that into her false narrative. But LP has been cleared for days on the assumption that they saved alexa from being killed by the mafia team. We now know that to be untrue.

hmmmyes

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:29 pm Could Belzy and Porscha have succesfully faked masons since D1?

doubt

also belzy has to be blatantly town just for the thing with Alexa right in that last day, masons aside?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:26 pm If sabie is wolf then two wolves decided to shoot Phil and Macklemore N3.

Mac was probably not endgaming and maybe an attempt to pocket belzy

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:24 pm LinearPoint and sabie’s claims both need serious re-examination in light of alexa’s flip.

Also let me take this time to say that ilario played brilliantly.

Agreed

He's given us a massive chance for town to win as I was not going to get there on Alexa

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:22 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:19 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:18 pm Was it alexa who shaded sloonei for claiming a self confirmable role?
It was mostly me. I don't remember if someone else did.
Alexa questioned me on a bit, but I would not call it “shading.”

I do feel like the interactions alexa and I had should go a long way to help clear me if anyone still has doubts.

Yes, probably

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:18 pm Dya as well I think...didn't she VK a Maf?

Killed a wolf early in day 1 (marmot)

Think Dya's town stock rose with ilario's alignment. Also town for raisins.

Was it alexa who shaded sloonei for claiming a self confirmable role?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:15 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:15 pm Could wolfteam have predicted falcon was checking Wilgy tonight and preemptively killed him?
Seems a safer option would just be to kill falcon.

yes

maybe mafia just don't have enough info on everyone else's roles and are being greedy

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:16 pm [VOTE: Linear Point] aubergine

falcon, creature, belzy, porscha confirmed?

I can't recall the exact nature of who's confirmed and who's not and why...is this right?

Yes I think that is right

don't want to be that guy, but what is nook's stance on Godfathers?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:12 pm That said, what team do we think would voluntarily kill wilgy here? He was in everyone’s POE.

Maybe he had scary reads

If creature is town then this is bad for LP from my PoV I guess

so are mafia saving falcon and belzy/porscha for soup? Only reason I can see why they're still alive

But I didn't expect the alexa flip so what do I know

The interaction LP and Alexa had about the vest just did not feel fake at the time

I still *think* LP is town despite the alexa flip

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:01 pm Well that was not the kill I expected.

[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

Not creature?

banter

Good luck

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