The Syndicate

lmao

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:16 am I dont think this game is winnable if you rand mafia here. All town gotta do is to mass claim no?

there’s a soup kill so outright mass claiming won’t work

but yes, strictly speaking there’s nothing stopping every villager who’s about to get mislimed from claiming their role and clearing themselves

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:18 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:30 am - person gets voted
- person is asked to claim
- if person claims and nobody cc’s they become comfirmed town
- rinse and repeat until you wagon someone who gets cc’d

Doesn't this process just rack up the town claims for an easy soup kill? How many town end up claiming during each lynch before one single baddie gets caught in a claim battle? 5? 6?

Not to mention, this sounds like a super-shitty way to play, and I really don't see everyone agreeing to play that way. Every single game I have ever run has been open-setup, and they have never involved a soup kill, and I don't think they have ever devolved into anything resembling that.

i think probably 1-3 claims max in a day unless town’s reads are truly truly terrible, and it would go down as the game goes on so ultimately i doubt it would be enough in the end for wolves to win by soup kill

and okay, it’s totally up to you if you don’t think it will be a problem

i usually don’t like no claim rules but i feel like in this game where every villager has a role and the role list is public you almost have to prohibit claiming or else it seems kind of unplayable?

even a soup kill doesn’t really feel sufficient if town are smart about who they have claim and have moderately good reads

but again, i don’t want to make a fuss or intrude here, it’s obviously up to you lc since you’re the host

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:30 am this game still feels weird to me as it’s currently constructed

is it just gonna be like

- person gets voted
- person is asked to claim
- if person claims and nobody cc’s they become comfirmed town
- rinse and repeat until you wagon someone who gets cc’d

how are the wolves supposed to mislim anyone then? it seems like they just can’t if every villager who is on the block has a claim to clear them

am i missing something? not trying to be a stick in the mud here, sorry

i guess if this happens enough times in a day wolves can soup kill all the claims after one of them gets eliminated

but then it’s like mafia are forced to trade one member a day for however many claims they can squeeze out, and unless town’s reads are utterly terrible wolves just lose always because there’s only so many trades they can make before they’re out of members

if i’m wildly off base here please smack me

this game still feels weird to me as it’s currently constructed

is it just gonna be like

- person gets voted
- person is asked to claim
- if person claims and nobody cc’s they become comfirmed town
- rinse and repeat until you wagon someone who gets cc’d

how are the wolves supposed to mislim anyone then? it seems like they just can’t if every villager who is on the block has a claim to clear them

am i missing something? not trying to be a stick in the mud here, sorry

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:45 am

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:36 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:59 pm

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:48 am I actually read the setup and this looks cool as fuck

@Long Con i assume from wording that there’s no soup kill available if there’s only one inheritor left?

Also, if there’s less than three inheritors alive does the two night wait still apply?

Good questions... let's say the two night wait thing goes away with less than three. I think the single-Inheritor Soup Kill shouldn't be allowed. Potentially too easy to narrow down everyone in an F5 kind of situation, right?

What do you think? I haven't done a Soup Kill before.

question about this:

if there can’t be a soup kill once only one mafia is left, what is there that stops town from just mass claiming as soon as they’re down to one wolf?

wouldn’t town always win at the point because the last wolf would have nothing to claim? or am i missing something?

You make a valid point. A town auto-win is probably worse than a mafia "we figured it all out"... BUT the town could mass-claim on the Day after the last mafia dies, and a single-member Soup Kill wouldn't change it, right?

I guess it's too late to add a fakeclaim?

It actually would change it, mafia can CC one of the claims and then it’s a 50/50, if they win the CC they soup kill and win if they lose it town wins.

oh this is true

so maybe the solution is to have the soup kill be allowed for one mafia member if they’re the last one left

but i also feel making the last mafia have to win a 50/50 claim battle in order to have a shot is a kind of asking a lot

but i guess maybe not, since if they did it could be an auto win so long as everyone had claimed

but let’s say there’s like four town and one wolf left and they decide to force just the wolf and one villager to claim because those are the people in immediate consideration

then the wolf has to claim a role still and even if they survive the day by cc’ing the villager, they can’t win unless they get lucky guessing with the soup kill because nobody else has claimed

so idk, i think that can still lead to less than ideal scenarios, but maybe i’m not thinking about it right

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:36 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:59 pm

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:48 am I actually read the setup and this looks cool as fuck

@Long Con i assume from wording that there’s no soup kill available if there’s only one inheritor left?

Also, if there’s less than three inheritors alive does the two night wait still apply?

Good questions... let's say the two night wait thing goes away with less than three. I think the single-Inheritor Soup Kill shouldn't be allowed. Potentially too easy to narrow down everyone in an F5 kind of situation, right?

What do you think? I haven't done a Soup Kill before.

question about this:

if there can’t be a soup kill once only one mafia is left, what is there that stops town from just mass claiming as soon as they’re down to one wolf?

wouldn’t town always win at the point because the last wolf would have nothing to claim? or am i missing something?

You make a valid point. A town auto-win is probably worse than a mafia "we figured it all out"... BUT the town could mass-claim on the Day after the last mafia dies, and a single-member Soup Kill wouldn't change it, right?

I guess it's too late to add a fakeclaim?

yeah i’m not really sure how to fix it so that town couldn’t autowin aside from creating an extra town role and then randing all but one town role which would be left for mafia to use as a fake claim

that’s the only thing i could think of but idk, game design isn’t my forte so i’m not really sure what would be good

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:48 am I actually read the setup and this looks cool as fuck

@Long Con i assume from wording that there’s no soup kill available if there’s only one inheritor left?

Also, if there’s less than three inheritors alive does the two night wait still apply?

Good questions... let's say the two night wait thing goes away with less than three. I think the single-Inheritor Soup Kill shouldn't be allowed. Potentially too easy to narrow down everyone in an F5 kind of situation, right?

What do you think? I haven't done a Soup Kill before.

question about this:

if there can’t be a soup kill once only one mafia is left, what is there that stops town from just mass claiming as soon as they’re down to one wolf?

wouldn’t town always win at the point because the last wolf would have nothing to claim? or am i missing something?

i’ll sub for now