The Syndicate

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:00 pm End of Day 2 vote progression

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11:00
RondoDimBuckle (5) - falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (5) - Golden, Alison, sig, Sloonei, Scotty
Scotty (4) - hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie (5) - nutella, Neon, Dyslexicon, Michelle, MacDougall

12:30
RondoDimBuckle (7) - Sloonei, falcon45ca, nutella, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (5) - Golden, Alison, sig, Scotty, Kate
Scotty (4) - hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie (5) - Neon, Dyslexicon, Michelle, Lilypetal, MacDougall

14:30
RondoDimBuckle (6) - Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (4) - Golden, sig, Scotty, Kate
Scotty (4) - hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie (7) - nutella, Neon, Alison, Dyslexicon, Michelle, Lilypetal, MacDougall

16:30
RondoDimBuckle (8) - Sloonei, falcon45ca, Golden, Seanzie, MacDougall, Scotty, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (3) - Urist, sig, Kate
Scotty (4) - hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie (7) - Dyslexicon, nutella, Neon, Alison, Michelle, Lilypetal, Porscha

17:00
RondoDimBuckle (7) - Sloonei, falcon45ca, Party Crasher, MacDougall, Scotty, Michelle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (7) - RondoDimBuckle, Urist, Seanzie, Creature, sig, Golden, Kate
Scotty (2) - hollowkatt, Marmot
Seanzie (7) - Master Radishes, nutella, Neon, Alison, Dyslexicon, Lilypetal, Porscha

19:00 EOD
Seanzie (10) - Marmot, falcon45ca, nutella, Neon, Party Crasher, Alison, Dyslexicon, Lilypetal, Porscha, Kate
RondoDimBuckle (6) - Urist, Sloonei, Creature, EnderWiggin, 112, Seanzie
Marmot (4) - MacDougall, Master Radishes, RondoDimBuckle, Scotty
S~V~S (2) - sig, Golden
Scotty (2) - hollowkatt, Michelle
Golden (1) - Guillotine
MacDougall (1) - S~V~S
sig (1) - DrWilgy

Updated.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:09 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:39 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:38 pm I’m also ever so slightly paranoid about golden and Urist

Golden is probably soup mafia sooo you're right to be paranoid there yes

What about his claim though?

what about his claim is specifically believable? It can easily be a lie.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:38 pm I’m also ever so slightly paranoid about golden and Urist

Golden is probably soup mafia sooo you're right to be paranoid there yes

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:14 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:03 pm Lol I fucking knew mac was going to shoot marmot, god damn.

Why are you mad about this?

I'm not mad about the flip. I just knew mac was never going to follow a plan.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:10 pm The poll should be between Guillotine, Golden, Scotty and SVS. I want no exceptions.

Scotty prob town

Lol I fucking knew mac was going to shoot marmot, god damn.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:52 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:51 pm can we just kill scotty please?

I thought we're letting Mac do that

it only works if scotty keeps his vote on mac though...

can we just kill scotty please?

has guillo even posted today? why are so many people obsessed with him

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:36 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 6:17 pm I suppose Lily is a better choice than Rondo or Guillotine.

Go on

no that's literally the only reason i'd have for voting her.

holy hecking heck you hecking heckers falcon is town please stop

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:47 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:39 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:31 pm i kinda tr sabi after seeing their scum game again

Explain

idk you just seem more alive

in what world is this a m/m interaction? sabi wanted lily to try to explain the town read because she knew it was wrong.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:02 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I am the captain of this ship.

let the record show that Urist cast the first vote on Scotty.

jk lol

rondo is obvious mafia

I suppose Lily is a better choice than Rondo or Guillotine.

teamwork sucks. i'm more of a lone wolf, so to speak.

Lily is scummy but her votes are good and I doubt the soup mafia has *another* KP on top of Seanzie (if Lily's claim is true, anyway).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:13 pm @Urist so you're saying you have PC and Scotty as different basically?

Yes.
And I didn't colour myself green because I want other people to be able to use the analysis and follow it from their PoV.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:12 pm @Golden can you reiterate how Sig might have killed teammate Alison by mistake again please?

Golden is saying that he redirected actions from himself to Alison.
Seems unlikely that sig would know right away to claim the kill on Alison thoughhh

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:00 pm End of Day 2 vote progression

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11:00
RondoDimBuckle (5) - falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (5) - Golden, Alison, sig, Sloonei, Scotty
Scotty (4) - hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie (5) - nutella, Neon, Dyslexicon, Michelle, MacDougall

12:30
RondoDimBuckle (7) - Sloonei, falcon45ca, nutella, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (5) - Golden, Alison, sig, Scotty, Kate
Scotty (4) - hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie (5) - Neon, Dyslexicon, Michelle, Lilypetal, MacDougall

14:30
RondoDimBuckle (6) - Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (4) - Golden, sig, Scotty, Kate
Scotty (4) - hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie (7) - nutella, Neon, Alison, Dyslexicon, Michelle, Lilypetal, MacDougall

16:30
RondoDimBuckle (8) - Sloonei, falcon45ca, Golden, Seanzie, MacDougall, Scotty, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (3) - Urist, sig, Kate
Scotty (4) - hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie (7) - Dyslexicon, nutella, Neon, Alison, Michelle, Lilypetal, Porscha

17:00
RondoDimBuckle (7) - Sloonei, falcon45ca, Party Crasher, MacDougall, Scotty, Michelle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (7) - RondoDimBuckle, Urist, Seanzie, Creature, sig, Golden, Kate
Scotty (2) - hollowkatt, Marmot
Seanzie (7) - Master Radishes, nutella, Neon, Alison, Dyslexicon, Lilypetal, Porscha

19:00 EOD
Seanzie (10) - Marmot, falcon45ca, nutella, Neon, Party Crasher, Alison, Dyslexicon, Lilypetal, Porscha, Kate
RondoDimBuckle (6) - Urist, Sloonei, Creature, EnderWiggin, 112, Seanzie
Marmot (4) - MacDougall, Master Radishes, RondoDimBuckle, Scotty
S~V~S (2) - sig, Golden
Scotty (2) - hollowkatt, Michelle
Golden (1) - Guillotine
MacDougall (1) - S~V~S
sig (1) - DrWilgy

For the purposes of this analysis, I'm going to disregard the fact that there is at least one mod squad still in the mix, and I'll refer to all non-mafia factions as "town". The only thing I can determine from this with regards to the mod squad is that Scotty is almost certainly not mod squad.

I'm going to assume that the 11:00 wagon on Seanzie is all town (Neon, Dyslexicon, Michelle, MacDougall). The wagon had traction, and I think it'd be a pretty risky play to bus in this situation to bus that early when there were plenty of other viable options.
Then, I'm going to assume that Lilypetal and Porscha are town for being on Seanzie at 17:00. I'd have a hard time believing that there were more than two mafia on Seanzie when the wagons were 7-7-7.
I'll also assume that Marmot is town, because Radishes switched off Seanzie and onto Marmot, trying to get a last-minute wagon there.
For all of these assumptions, I've coloured the names in dark green above. I believe that these are pretty safe assumptions.

Now let's try some more contrived assumptions. These I'll colour blue. I'm not totally comfortable with these, but without them I'm unable to make a decision on whom to vote.
I'll assume that the people who joined the wagon on Seanzie late are town. This includes Party Crasher, Kate, and falcon. These were people who were voting for Rondo or SVS when the wagons were 7-7-7. I don't know the timing of these votes so it's difficult to tell whether they were a last-minute bus to get on the wagon once the yeet was already decided.
I'll assume that sig is town for claiming the kill on Alison, because there's no reason to assume he'd do that as mafia.
I'm going to assume that Rondo is town, because two mafiosi bussed their vig and I don't see why they'd bus their vig over some other role (whatever Rondo is).

With these assumptions, I feel confident placing a vote on Scotty. It doesn't make sense to me that no mafia would ever vote for Scotty, if he were town. Especially since Radishes was looking for an alternative to Seanzie at EoD, I don't see why he'd choose Marmot over Scotty if Scotty is town. I also believe that at least one of the Rondo voters at 17:00 has to be mafia, given that there were two people on Seanzie at that time.

If Scotty is town, then I think that Party Crasher is mafia, for the same reasons I mentioned above: I don't believe there would be 0 mafia voting for Scotty, and I think that there would be at least one mafia voting for Rondo at 17:00.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:32 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:22 pm ugh i just saw the flip

Why do you sound disappointed?

because i don't saying or doing stupid shit

ugh i just saw the flip

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:26 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:25 am Tbh if there is a second team then Neon insisting is not multiball is agenda-y

The thread is more tensioned than an all villagers/3rds game facing the rest of a halved (more or less) scum soup team.

Why on earth are we still propagating that there is another team? I have seen no evidence of such

I keep saying, there is 100% mechanically guaranteed to be more mod squad. Nanook hasn't announced that the faction is eliminated so we still have more. Ask him yourself if you don't believe me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:54 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:44 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:29 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:22 am Is anybody else getting shot today?

yes Dizzy or someone Dizzy wants

Yes, I know. I meant, like, where have we landed on this? Who are the candidates and why? I wasn’t able to partake in the discussion earlier.

Dizzy is asking for candidates, so come up with your own who & why

I’m not a “who” kinda guy in this game. I’m just here to chime in about thoughts, feelings, and theories.

Are you down to do vote count analysis?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:50 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:44 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:29 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:22 am Is anybody else getting shot today?

yes Dizzy or someone Dizzy wants

Yes, I know. I meant, like, where have we landed on this? Who are the candidates and why? I wasn’t able to partake in the discussion earlier.

honestly I dont want to tell Dizzy who to shoot. Id rather they pick who they want and we get to learn something about them

Better to narrow it down to 3 or 4 options and let dizzy pick from there imo

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:37 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:03 am anyway tutuu is ragging on us for postcapping (even though she's 90% of the posts) so bye bye kiss kiss

postcap? what?

The threshold above which neon blasts your ass

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:44 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:29 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:22 am Is anybody else getting shot today?

yes Dizzy or someone Dizzy wants

Yes, I know. I meant, like, where have we landed on this? Who are the candidates and why? I wasn’t able to partake in the discussion earlier.

Dizzy is asking for candidates, so come up with your own who & why

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:13 pm Trusting known third party roles to play nice and not interfere with the town's win condition: a GoC tradition.

Since town is winning and there are a few scum alive, I think I should say some things

We are not 3p. We are town. We never claimed 3p. A lot of people got confused and assumed we are 3p NPC taken from Mac's NPC game. I told my hydra teammates to not correct people and let everyone keep thinking we are 3p because

1) it was really funny and i like trolling people
2) i thought there might be some benefits to town. in case it was multiball, that's 1 less town target for scum to shoot at. if they wanted to kill town, they wouldnt target us. so more chance for them to cross kill and shoot other scum. minor benefit but it was there
3) there is something related to our role that made us "softing / not correcting" the 3p assumption on us feel like a good play, to me. i noticed the potential for some pro-town maneuvers using it. my teammates were cool with it. i dont think wolves have a soup kill like you guys do but you did get me paranoid about that so i think ill avoid elaborating on this for now. unless you force me to by threatening to kill me
4) most of all though, it was really really funny, to me

the reason why im saying it now is because i think we are at a gamestate where the biggest potential threat to town is other town. so i think its no time for hero plays or trolling, and im trying to avoid some potential fiesta due to the way ive been playing this game (by not correcting people thinking we're 3p)

@MacDougall @Neon @Urist @RondoDimBuckle pinging you specifically as you've expressed scumreads on me

-tutuu

I meant to imply that you are mafia not 3p, I never got a 3p read from you.

people voting for guillotine should feel bad about themselves

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:00 pm End of Day 2 vote progression

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11:00
RondoDimBuckle (5) - falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (5) - Golden, Alison, sig, Sloonei, Scotty
Scotty (4) - hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie (5) - nutella, Neon, Dyslexicon, Michelle, MacDougall

12:30
RondoDimBuckle (7) - Sloonei, falcon45ca, nutella, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (5) - Golden, Alison, sig, Scotty, Kate
Scotty (4) - hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie (5) - Neon, Dyslexicon, Michelle, Lilypetal, MacDougall

14:30
RondoDimBuckle (6) - Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (4) - Golden, sig, Scotty, Kate
Scotty (4) - hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie (7) - nutella, Neon, Alison, Dyslexicon, Michelle, Lilypetal, MacDougall

16:30
RondoDimBuckle (8) - Sloonei, falcon45ca, Golden, Seanzie, MacDougall, Scotty, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (3) - Urist, sig, Kate
Scotty (4) - hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie (7) - Dyslexicon, nutella, Neon, Alison, Michelle, Lilypetal, Porscha

17:00
RondoDimBuckle (7) - Sloonei, falcon45ca, Party Crasher, MacDougall, Scotty, Michelle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S (7) - RondoDimBuckle, Urist, Seanzie, Creature, sig, Golden, Kate
Scotty (2) - hollowkatt, Marmot
Seanzie (7) - Master Radishes, nutella, Neon, Alison, Dyslexicon, Lilypetal, Porscha

19:00 EOD
Seanzie (10) - Marmot, falcon45ca, nutella, Neon, Party Crasher, Alison, Dyslexicon, Lilypetal, Porscha, Kate
RondoDimBuckle (6) - Urist, Sloonei, Creature, EnderWiggin, 112, Seanzie
Marmot (4) - MacDougall, Master Radishes, RondoDimBuckle, Scotty
S~V~S (2) - sig, Golden
Scotty (2) - hollowkatt, Michelle
Golden (1) - Guillotine
MacDougall (1) - S~V~S
sig (1) - DrWilgy

@Dyslexicon I would shoot Party Crasher.

End of Day 2 vote progression

why are there so many 1-vote wagons? we kill scum so now the PoE is dead, is that how it works?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:43 pm Nice!

That confirms imo both 1 mafia team and Wilgy as civ

Yikes

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:24 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:08 pm Oh so there is 100% more mod squadders alive. Nanook would have announced the elimination of that faction if ilario was the only one.

Only if there was more than 1 in the first place.

No, regardless of how many there were, we'd have been told the faction was eliminated. 100%

Alright well I'm done waiting for wilgy, I'll be back in 84 minutes to shoot somebody

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:30 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:27 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:26 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:25 pm master radishes
5
21%


Voters: Dyslexicon, Lilypetal, Party Crasher, Marmot, Michelle

If radishes is scum then there is no way all of these people are town

I have concerns re: Marmot & Lily out of that list

I'd be more concerned about Party Crashers really

What are your concerns? I've not found them scummy, what are you seeing?

They bussed seanzie

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:26 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:24 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:22 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:19 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:14 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:08 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:07 pm

Let it be clear, Rondo is still in my PoE.

Ender should probably not be though.

What does your POE look like?

I wonder who radish is trying to save?

@Golden any guesses?

What are you implying here?

I'm implying that radishes is throwing himself under the bus to save a teammate who may be under less pressure, take the spotlight away.

Why do you keep pretending you don't know what I'm saying?

Who do you think that is

Well, I'd say Marmot as I think he's wolfiest but could be dyslex or whoever else is taking heat. Can someone grab the vote screen?

I think you're on the wrong track here Kate

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:26 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:25 pm master radishes
5
21%


Voters: Dyslexicon, Lilypetal, Party Crasher, Marmot, Michelle

If radishes is scum then there is no way all of these people are town

I have concerns re: Marmot & Lily out of that list

I'd be more concerned about Party Crashers really

master radishes
5
21%


Voters: Dyslexicon, Lilypetal, Party Crasher, Marmot, Michelle

If radishes is scum then there is no way all of these people are town

It would be great to know who @Lilypetal poisoned last night so that we don't waste time reading them

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:15 pm Does anyone have an argument AGAINST MR being the dayvig?

No I've literally been waiting for hours for you to shoot him so that I can do a reread with the flip

Oh so there is 100% more mod squadders alive. Nanook would have announced the elimination of that faction if ilario was the only one.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:10 pm ender has to be town

he's giving guns to people in the PoE (scotty and wilgy) to give them a chance to shoot wolves to get themselves out of the PoE

its the greediest (and arguably the best) way to play gunsmith

unless he doesn't have a choice on who to give the guns

could also be 3p i dunno. but i dont think ender is mafia

Ender is playing like a lost wolf with both his night actions and his votes

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:00 am

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:51 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:15 am Party Crasher
Lilypetal
Urist
Dyslexicon
Scotty
MR
SVS

I wish to arbitrarily remove party crasher out of this. So I am.

Removed.

Lilypetal
Urist
Dyslexicon
Scotty
MR
SVS

Tell me family, who do you wish to arbitrarily remove from it?

Scotto, SVS, MR, Dyslexicon ... Lily.

I think I wanna arbitrarily remove Urist from it. I do have a pretty strong gut townread.

Removed.

Lilypetal
Dyslexicon
Scotty
MR
SVS

Behold, today's POE. Similar but different to yesterday's POE. Let's solve these 5 first.

LGTM

I do not know what this means.

Looks Good to Me

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:01 am Sleep
1
5%
Voters: Urist

@Urist why do you want to kill Sleep? Did you find a scumtell?

no it was late and i was tired

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:32 am

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:30 am Oh the missing n2 mafiakill is concerning as well, mac might be right about Sig LOL

Nutella… you think there’s more missing?

Yeah there were three mafia kills on n1, then we killed seanzie so there should be two kills on n2 right?

Oh the missing n2 mafiakill is concerning as well, mac might be right about Sig LOL

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:20 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:18 am But there’s no reason in my mind that you and Alison wouldn’t both independently be anti-town and, not knowing me, perceive me as a mark.

I haven’t really retaliated you in a while. Do you think there’s a good reason I should townread you @Urist

Not retaliated. Reevaluated

Sorry sometimes the dyslexia gets me.

Yeah dailysex is tough sorry to hear that

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:18 am But there’s no reason in my mind that you and Alison wouldn’t both independently be anti-town and, not knowing me, perceive me as a mark.

I haven’t really retaliated you in a while. Do you think there’s a good reason I should townread you @Urist

I tried to switch wagons from cape to sabi at eod1
I've been townread by the scum NKs
I haven't been trying too hard to influence the state of the game