The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:27 pm So basically the plan is we yeet Wilgy because Tim knows Wilgy is lying and going to flip mafia, and then we yeet Tim because he's outed third party.

Well, I'm not 3P either but at least you are making sense here. Chop the outed wolf, and since there's really no evidence that I am NOT the 3P, start shooting at random. I don't have any better way to suggest hunting for the 3P.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:23 pm I didn't speak out hard enough against AtE and the "yelling at people who accuse you" defense earlier in the game and now tim is incentivized to use it as much as possible to stay alive

Pointing out the absurdity of your intentions isn't 'appealing' to your emotions, it's trolling. The way you just dig in your heels when you are caught being outright wrong is hilarious.

Wilgy lied. There is no realistic alternative to that fact. All I've done is stridently make that fact the main point here. You cannot effectively refute that fact. You know that fact really calls for chopping Wilgy. But you are so upset that you want to make a (not really since we are so far ahead) game throwing move and chop me anyway. That's okay, I always piss off town cores when I'm right and they are wrong. On many levels that's what I play the game for.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:22 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:21 pm My death doesn't "out a mafia" by the way...Wilgy is already out. This is just waste and once I'm flipped it will be impossible to go back and say "oh well at least it outs Wilgy" and I will troll you and Mac mercilessly if you try to do that.
Sure okay let's yeet Wilgy first and he flips town we turbo you? Deal?

That seems very smart. If Wilgy has some crazy town reason for lying about the track on JPIC I'll be wanting to get to DVC to ask him about it anyway.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:20 pm You seem agitated. Maybe you should have a cup of tea.

I'm sitting at a keyboard man, this isn't life or death so I don't get really that excited. I'm having fun.

My death doesn't "out a mafia" by the way...Wilgy is already out. This is just waste and once I'm flipped it will be impossible to go back and say "oh well at least it outs Wilgy" and I will troll you and Mac mercilessly if you try to do that.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:16 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:14 pm Okay, so here's the thing. As much as I enjoy trolling Mac and Alison since I know they are dead wrong here I have better things to do. I'll continue that when they arrive in DVC and just hope they are being game throwingly dumb here but the game is still recoverable. If one of them is a deep partner trying to salvage Wilgy then I'll really mock them for that because that would be even dumber.

Have fun.
This level of desire to survive is nuts. Maybe we caught the 3p? There's not a single other person in the POE who cares about living as much as you do.
it's possible, yeah, I thought about it a bit, decided I don't care if tim is scum or 3p

Or villager for that matter, he's disrespectful so chop him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:16 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:14 pm Okay, so here's the thing. As much as I enjoy trolling Mac and Alison since I know they are dead wrong here I have better things to do. I'll continue that when they arrive in DVC and just hope they are being game throwingly dumb here but the game is still recoverable. If one of them is a deep partner trying to salvage Wilgy then I'll really mock them for that because that would be even dumber.

Have fun.
This level of desire to survive is nuts. Maybe we caught the 3p? There's not a single other person in the POE who cares about living as much as you do.

IDGAF about living. You hve an outed wolf in front of you and instead of chopping him you are infochopping me to prove it. I am outraged at the waste because it's a dumb risk, not about being killed.

[mention]Oddmerta[/mention]

"Already did. Wilgy says he tracked JPIC to Tutuu. The host says that even though JPIC got vigged his post cap would not have gone through. Tutuu didn't get post capped. Wilgy lied there. Your only refutation is that some mysterious role protector must have protected Tutuu, which is fantastical wishful thinking."

This is my legacy tunnel master...see that it gets followed eh?

Okay, so here's the thing. As much as I enjoy trolling Mac and Alison since I know they are dead wrong here I have better things to do. I'll continue that when they arrive in DVC and just hope they are being game throwingly dumb here but the game is still recoverable. If one of them is a deep partner trying to salvage Wilgy then I'll really mock them for that because that would be even dumber.

Have fun.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:07 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:55 pm Day 1

Nutella in the lead. Counterwagon appears on Tim. Nutella doesn't love it but begrudgingly self pres votes with a lol. JPIC does not move to Tim. Tim does not self pres. Sprityo does not vote for Tim.
We've been over this so many times I'm actually happy enough to just flip green and rub it in your face.

Problem is that I don't want to lose and since I know your reads suck and Alison's logic is literally absent I don't really want to leave the game in your hands.
i would appreciate it if you didn't question my logic unless you can poke an actual hole in it

you've argued that wilgy is a liar. ok. show me why he's more of a liar than you.

Already did. Wilgy says he tracked JPIC to Tutuu. The host says that even though JPIC got vigged his post cap would not have gone through. Tutuu didn't get post capped. Wilgy lied there. Your only refutation is that some mysterious role protector must have protected Tutuu, which is fantastical wishful thinking.

If you don't want your logic questioned, demonstrate some.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:03 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:55 pm Day 1

Nutella in the lead. Counterwagon appears on Tim. Nutella doesn't love it but begrudgingly self pres votes with a lol. JPIC does not move to Tim. Tim does not self pres. Sprityo does not vote for Tim.
We've been over this so many times I'm actually happy enough to just flip green and rub it in your face.

Problem is that I don't want to lose and since I know your reads suck and Alison's logic is literally absent I don't really want to leave the game in your hands.
Lol now I know you're talking utter shit. My reads have been stupid good in this game.

I agree. You and your "first post reads" are running better than rand. Your "this interaction is just never a wolf" reads have IMO been mostly stupid.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:01 pm Tim / Wilgy just feels like a stupid v/v day 3 town doing well thing

Nah. Wilgy lied about tracking JPIC. Dunno what he was trying to accomplish, but that was definitely a lie. A lie that really would have mislead the town in bad ways...like if you hadn't vigged JPIC and JPIC was claiming to have a check on Tutuu, that lie would have backed him up.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:02 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:01 pm Tim / Wilgy just feels like a stupid v/v day 3 town doing well thing
It's literally not possible that there isn't a mafia between Tim, Wilgy and Dyslexicon. One of them is a bold faced liar.

Probably the one who says he tracked the postcapper to someone who didn't get postcapped, hey?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:00 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:51 pm It's not "ate" it is setting up for "I told you so."

There is absolutely zero logic behind Alison insisting on killing me when Wilgy demonstrably lied on both ends of his claim, one almost irrefutably.

So on the other end where "well, maybe Wilgy is telling the truth if Tim is lying" why would ANYONE go with "chop Tim since Wilgy might only lie half the time"? I have a proposal for a simple answer: EGO. Mac insists he and Alison are the solvers of the game. I am the one that caught Wilgy in the demonstrable lie about his track on JPIC. Kill me now...oops...and tomorrow they turbo Wilgy and take credit in their own minds for having "proven him bad by infochopping Tim."

I'm fine with all that by the way, they just need to tell me that's how it goes. I'll ghost and get some work done and come back after I flip green.
tim

you have also demonstrably lied on both ends of your claim, and I think you lied even more irrefutably than wilgy did. I can see far-fetched explanations to show how either of you can be telling the truth, but yours is more far-fetched than wilgy's.

the decision to thunderdome you was made by dizzy, not me or mac. we chose to exe you, just like literally everyone else who saw the thunderdome, because of how obvious it was that you were the correct choice to exe today. I literally said I did not care who gets the credit for the pelt when odd and ted were arguing over who gets it if you flip scum. so no, I was not acting out of ego when I choose to execute you.

Sure, whatevs. How exactly is my claim more farfetched than "I tracked the post capper to Tutuu and she isn't postcapped"?

Final answer, then I give up on you and just go to work and let you do something stupid.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:55 pm Day 1

Nutella in the lead. Counterwagon appears on Tim. Nutella doesn't love it but begrudgingly self pres votes with a lol. JPIC does not move to Tim. Tim does not self pres. Sprityo does not vote for Tim.

We've been over this so many times I'm actually happy enough to just flip green and rub it in your face.

Problem is that I don't want to lose and since I know your reads suck and Alison's logic is literally absent I don't really want to leave the game in your hands.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:52 pm but you lied too...

And copped to it later and explained why I did.

Can you think of any town explanation for why Wilgy would claim to have tracked JPIC to Tutuu when JPIC apparently didn't go to Tutuu?

I claimed I MDed Ted when I actually roleblocked him. If I had just stuck with that claim I would not be in this mess right now. So tell me, why did I come clean there?

LOL...you did bork those italics.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:47 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:42 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:12 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:48 pm hi, i'm catching up w/what i missed now! could i get a basic summary of why we know there's a maf in tim/wilgly?
Wilgy says that only one person visited Ted.
Tim said he visited Ted.

We know that Dizzy visited Ted.

So either Wilgy or Tim is lying.
And since we also know that barring something really weird Wilgy ALSO lied about the other part of his claim, but Tim doesn't kiss ass to the town core so let's kill him anyway.
Look, it's really simple from my point of view.

You can't both be scum.

But both of you have discrepancies in your story.

It's my job to figure out who lied.

You have more discrepancies in your story.

Your discrepancies are less easy to explain.

Here's the other question I have for you. Why do you[/ care if you die? From your point of view, Wilgy is outed scum. If you die, you prove him to be the liar, and maybe even Dizzy as well. I would expect a town Tim to be like "yeah, sure, flip me, then we have auto and win." I would not expect him to be so desperate to survive that he goes to the extent of insulting the people who push him and use AtE in his defense. When Wilgy was informed of the thunderdome between you two, he was like "okay, let's do this then, I'll vote Tim, and you guys can vote whoever". Does he do that if he's scum and knows he's going to lose the game the next day phase?

I really do not understand why you are so desperate to survive. That makes me even more certain that you are the correct person to exe this phase. But hey, even if you aren't, that's fine, because your death outs the last two scum and then all that's left is the Rogue before we win!

This is bullshit. Wilgy lied about his actions BOTH nights. One of those nights there is no interaction with me and basically no functional way to explain it OTHER than that he lied. Your tunnel focus on the FIRST night of his claim so you can kill me is fine...though I wonder what it's motivated by.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:50 pm i feel morally obligated to vote tim after he dropped that ATE. i hate ate so much

Then get to it.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:44 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:42 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:12 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:48 pm hi, i'm catching up w/what i missed now! could i get a basic summary of why we know there's a maf in tim/wilgly?
Wilgy says that only one person visited Ted.
Tim said he visited Ted.

We know that Dizzy visited Ted.

So either Wilgy or Tim is lying.
And since we also know that barring something really weird Wilgy ALSO lied about the other part of his claim, but Tim doesn't kiss ass to the town core so let's kill him anyway.
this ate does nothing but make me want to fos you more. who is fos'ing you for not kissing up to the towncore?

It's not "ate" it is setting up for "I told you so."

There is absolutely zero logic behind Alison insisting on killing me when Wilgy demonstrably lied on both ends of his claim, one almost irrefutably.

So on the other end where "well, maybe Wilgy is telling the truth if Tim is lying" why would ANYONE go with "chop Tim since Wilgy might only lie half the time"? I have a proposal for a simple answer: EGO. Mac insists he and Alison are the solvers of the game. I am the one that caught Wilgy in the demonstrable lie about his track on JPIC. Kill me now...oops...and tomorrow they turbo Wilgy and take credit in their own minds for having "proven him bad by infochopping Tim."

I'm fine with all that by the way, they just need to tell me that's how it goes. I'll ghost and get some work done and come back after I flip green.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:41 pm but also I need an explanation for how ted was able to come out of his house if tim told the truth

I already have a question in to Sloonei about that exact issue. I think I understand that tracker reads the intent to go even if the action is blocked, but we'll see. The point though is that Wilgy lied about his OTHER night action as well, and that is totally independent of me.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:12 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:48 pm hi, i'm catching up w/what i missed now! could i get a basic summary of why we know there's a maf in tim/wilgly?
Wilgy says that only one person visited Ted.
Tim said he visited Ted.

We know that Dizzy visited Ted.

So either Wilgy or Tim is lying.

And since we also know that barring something really weird Wilgy ALSO lied about the other part of his claim, but Tim doesn't kiss ass to the town core so let's kill him anyway.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:28 pm So you're telling me that Wilgy came in here with the worst claim in history, /twice/, and we're supposed to chop him for that?

No, they are telling you that since I am the one who initially unraveled Wilgy's rotten claim you are supposed to chop me. Beating the town core to a wolf is a capital offense doncha know.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:25 pm except tim but tim's helpful

Thank you. Perhaps lying about my roles in an effort to produce good effects is a bad habit, but at least someone understands reading intent.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:11 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:05 pm if there were a role block, wouldnt jpic just not have visited anyone?
That would make the most sense. So did Wilgy lie? He at first said JPIC didn't visit anyone.

He "just kidding"ed that like ten posts later.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:20 pm idk why but i believe tim over dizzy

I'm not sure yet that there's any conflict between me and Dizzy. I guess it is typical that "roleblocked" means you don't leave your house and are not tracked...but that may not be the truth. If "roleblocked" means you got there but didn't do anything then Dizzy and I can both be telling the truth.

Wilgy's claim is rotten on BOTH days, D2 confirmed almost absolutely rotten.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:07 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:05 pm if there were a role block, wouldnt jpic just not have visited anyone?
Good point. Then it's more likely that some kind of rolestop was applied to tutuu to protect her from having powers used on her. Which doesn't seem to fit with my "Rogue is charging up a power by negating night actions" theory, since I think Alison, Mac and Hally are all better hits for that.

I hate to get all logical since it seems to make town core people want to kill me, but...

If "roleblocked" just keeps the action from going through, but doesn't prevent the person from leaving their house, then a roleblock on JPIC would allow for Wilgy's track and Tutuu not getting postcapped.

It would also conveniently account for how I roleblocked Ted and Dizzy still tracking Ted to me.

I asked Sloonei how a tracker would read on someone who was role blocked, and I'm sure we will be finding out eventually. But A "mystery role block" on JPIC or a "mystery effect block" on Tutuu is required for D2 of Wilgy's claim to not be a flat lie. Me or Dizzy lying is required for D1 of Wilgy's claim to not be a flat lie.

So it sure seems like you need a WHOLE BUNCH of things to come together here for Wilgy to be anything but a flat out fake claimer.

I am reading along catching up, but it seems kinda pointless because you are just ignoring the obvious and not developing your read at all. If you are on Oddmerta's "just kill Tim and worry about reasons later" bandwagon, just say so. I can ghost, get some work done, get green flipped, and then you can reassess.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:11 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:59 pm Yes, that is one reason to doubt Wilgy's testimony, which we have known and debated about the entire day.
So why are most of the votes on me, since Wilgy demonstrably lied in his claim in a way that there's not really any question about that I can see...and the one who first called him on it and asked the question of Sloonei that verified it is me? I know bucking the mighty town core makes me unpopular, but revealing faked claims is a capital offense? Seems harsh.
You demonstrably lied in your claim too.

The only lie I've told about my role I've already copped to.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:54 pm Please change your votes to Tim, EoD is in a few hours and we have compelling reason to think that Tim lied about his role. We also know there's one mafia in Wilgy/Tim. So Occam's Razor is that Tim is just mafia.

Thanks for the update, Dizzy. I'll update the list accordingly.

LOL...absolutely compelling...I tracked JPIC to Tutuu, the host says that even though JPIC was killed his action would go through and post cap Tutuu, and Tutuu didn't get postcapped. That claim is ABSOLUTELY a lie.

Oh, wait, yeah that was Wilgy that lied.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:22 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:21 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:48 pm A Tim red flip proves that Wilgy, Odd and Ted are all town.
A Tim green flip proves that Wilgy is mafia. It makes Odd and Ted look worse for tunnelling him all game.

The opposite is true if we flip Wilgy. A Wilgy green flip proves that Tim is mafia, which proves that Odd and Ted are town. And a Wilgy red flip proves that Tim is town, which makes Odd and Ted look worse.
explain

assume that I'm not sure what's going on
We proved that one person between Wilgy and Tim lied about their night actions. If its not Wilgy, well...

Actually, you've proven that Wilgy lied about his N2 action. There is this crazy debate about his N1 action as connected to me through the party at Ted's house. Why there is debate about whether he is lying about N1 when it is already established that he lied about N2 seems pretty strange.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:59 pm Yes, that is one reason to doubt Wilgy's testimony, which we have known and debated about the entire day.

So why are most of the votes on me, since Wilgy demonstrably lied in his claim in a way that there's not really any question about that I can see...and the one who first called him on it and asked the question of Sloonei that verified it is me? I know bucking the mighty town core makes me unpopular, but revealing faked claims is a capital offense? Seems harsh.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:10 pm In response to a privtely asked question:

A nightkilled player's action will still go through provided they are not also roleblocked.

So, this just flatly puts paid to Wilgy. A night killed player (JPIC) Wilgy claims to have visited Tutuu. JPICs action on Tutuu did NOT go through. Therefore Wilgy did not track JPIC to Tutuu's house. End of story.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:59 am I think this might be Wilgy and tim both caught

I'm still catching up, but I had to pause to marvel at the genius displayed in this post.

Quick, who else reads me and DrWilgy as partners?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:41 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:38 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:36 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:34 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:06 pm @Timsup2nothin @DrWilgy

A night action has been claimed that proves you are lying about your night results. I see absolutely no reason to distrust that claim. I hope you have a good explanation.
Who claimed what? I role blocked Ted N1 and went nowhere N2. Those are just plain facts.
Then perhaps you'd care to explain why Ted was tracked as successfully exiting his house on night 1
Beats me. I am starting to suspect that trackers resolve early in the resolution order so they get a track result BEFORE a role blocker or a vig get applied and actually stop an action...but I asked Sloonei about order of resolution in a PM and he sent back that he answered in thread and I haven't looked for it yet.
I seem to recall there being a little more than just a straight roleblock to that aspect of your power. Was there more than that?

Nah. The only thing about it that seems other than standard is that it is part of my set as varying abilities. I only get that one if there are 70-79.9% civilians in the population.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:05 pm I have received another question. Answer:
Roleblocks resolve before all other actions.
This is what he said.

Yeah, I just asked him if someone tracking someone who has been roleblocked would get a report of their intentions. We'll see what he says, if anything. In the meantime I'll be looking at whoever claims to have tracked Ted, because if they are telling the truth than Wilgy lied when he said only one person visited Ted.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:36 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:34 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:06 pm @Timsup2nothin @DrWilgy

A night action has been claimed that proves you are lying about your night results. I see absolutely no reason to distrust that claim. I hope you have a good explanation.
Who claimed what? I role blocked Ted N1 and went nowhere N2. Those are just plain facts.
Then perhaps you'd care to explain why Ted was tracked as successfully exiting his house on night 1

Beats me. I am starting to suspect that trackers resolve early in the resolution order so they get a track result BEFORE a role blocker or a vig get applied and actually stop an action...but I asked Sloonei about order of resolution in a PM and he sent back that he answered in thread and I haven't looked for it yet.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:06 pm @Timsup2nothin @DrWilgy

A night action has been claimed that proves you are lying about your night results. I see absolutely no reason to distrust that claim. I hope you have a good explanation.

Who claimed what? I role blocked Ted N1 and went nowhere N2. Those are just plain facts.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:57 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:56 am Tim claimed he roleblocked ted N1
@Timsup2nothin confirm this? i thought you used something else?

Yeah I lied. Already copped to that. You better than most know that's not unusual for me as town.

Well, this is certainly exciting. Guess I better find out what happened while I was asleep, unless someone wants to run it down for me.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:03 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:02 am JPIC been paying more attention to the gamethread as a ghost than he did as a player lol.
I wonder what DVC is talking about right now.

The weather.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:57 am Personally I think there are just as many holes in Long Con's claim. I still don't understand how he could have misread his role PM as vanilla. When asked "I guess it's because my role is unimportant" is just straight bullshit honestly. If anyone is phoning it in cuz their team has been tanked it's probably him lol. Also his role doesn't super make sense in the context of all the other ones.

My concern is that the 3P is very likely NOT phoning it in.

Unless I guess they are someone who just hates the idea altogether.

One man gang against both sides, with some decent powers (presumably), I'd be playing all out.

We can whack these slankers, but I dunno if that gets the 3P. How we gonna find this guy if they are a hard worker?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:43 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:42 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:40 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:38 am BTW, just to be clear, this is not like I think either Dizzy or Samu is a bad chop. I just think Wigly is a better chop, because, well, I really think he's a wolf.
@Oddmerta do you think Wilgy is mafia?
I didn't but that claim is a mega oof
If Wilgy flips mafia will you give up on Tim being mafia?
Probably not, tunneling tim has worked out pretty well for us so far. If it aint broke

Way to take one for the team.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:46 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:44 am I'm not saying Wilgy's mafia but the way you're present Wilgy as town here is that he's not trying, which doesn't look like a good argument when mafia is being PoE'd with very low hope of winning.
I am reading other people mafia for that, I just don't read Wilgy mafia for that because it's not my experience of scum Wilgy.

Neither is his apathy to sit around and watch all his teammates get obliterated. He's more of the kind to openwolf to try to save them and get town to push onto town.

Sometimes meta is subject to circumstances. I am as intense a wolf as anyone who has wolfed with me has ever encountered...and one game on CFC I was like "this will be cool, kinda coast along, multitable with of all things the spec chat invitational...and shit randed wolf." I did practically zip. My partner had to carry me like a sack of wolf meat most of the time. And yeah at least one player said "well, this isn't the guy that we sent to champs to smoke as a wolf, must be town."

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:40 am Wilgy day 2: I know a great way to win as mafia, I'm gonna just amble into the thread after my teammate goes over and our kill misses, lock a vote onto my other teammate and push Mac for no particular reason. Surely that is how we will win.

Wilgy day 3: I know a great way to win as mafia, I'm gonna just amble into the thread after two of my teammates die and give zero fucks and make myself look worse.
the obvious hole is that after the jpic flip, idk if mafia are planning on winning

Down three in two days is pretty harsh. Someone with the time and energy to be a thread driver thinks "I can solo IDGAF about the dead," but Wilgy does not seem to have that time and energy and neither do most of the people with high wolf equity.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:37 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:36 am Have either of them claimed yet? Or shown up, for that matter?
No and no. Which is >rand mafia.

Again, no argument.

Of course, we'll also see what happens when Wilgy gets my ping. His response the first time wasn't exactly key to the town caliber...but maybe he convinces even me.

BTW, just to be clear, this is not like I think either Dizzy or Samu is a bad chop. I just think Wigly is a better chop, because, well, I really think he's a wolf.

Have either of them claimed yet? Or shown up, for that matter?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:19 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:17 am If you are very certain of your Wilgy meta read I'll vote Dizzy but I think he's scum
Like it didn't matter that JPIC was scum yesterday it doesn't matter whether Wilgy is scum now because the long term plan is set and we're in the box seat. It'd take a miracle for the mafia to win now and if we flip Dizzy green here it's just cop checking a slank slot that's contributing nothing anyway (and frankly he can't have that epic a town role cuz look at what we already have). We can check Wilgy in other ways (ie. feel free to cop check him lol).

Can we talk about Wilgy resolving? Other than with cop checks that is. Because that's another difference between him and JPIC as claimed cop.

There are two wolves left. Wilgy ONLY gets to track if he votes a wolf over. So if he votes on the first one he gets one track to aim at the second one. Otherwise he's a randomly placed watcher. He's already shown that with 21 choices he managed to randomly land in the one spot that he was truly useless. We are never likely to look at a result from him and say "okay, that's a clear." He has to either consume one of our real cop checks, or he has to die...just like Samu or Dizzy...and while they are unknown slackers this dude has wolf equity like the fucking National Bank of the Woods.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:17 am I don't think JPIC targeting Tutuu would be senseless. If he thought he had a chance to survive the night he had to target into the POE I gave him. He could have just hit her with it and then said "well I copped her, she's red/green/yellow whatever" and then she claims the postcap and then try to push that the mafia must have targeted her as well (they knew Hally was dying) or that she is faking the postcap (if he chose red).

I am not saying "how dare you, must be a wolf" btw. I think Wilgy is pretty short odds to be mafia frankly. I just think he auto resolves.

All he had to do was holster and say "green check." The watcher was dying. No one had outed as a tracker. Or red check. Whichever.

Hell he could have postcapped some vagrant like me and still claimed a check on Tutuu. Create some confusion at least.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:03 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:01 am I want to mechanically clear timsup permanently
Well state your case amigo because from where I'm sitting the dude has worked pretty hard for town and lots of people need "permanent mechanical clearance" lol.
His snowball claim doesn't exist, he knows the scum numbers because he is one. There's always a darkness in his posts

Saying one line twice doesn't double the merits of your case.

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