The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:00 am Can someone tell me what Jules claim is I haven’t seen it

block nonlethal hostile actions

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:57 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:51 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:47 am RIP me. Looks like I'm the chop, but I suppose that's how poe goes.

Based on my role, I would advise that I could prove my alignment over time, but I get it if we think chopping me over another would clear the game faster.
Pending the outcomes of some things there are some others I wouldn't be averse to chopping first Wilgy. Having an outed town tracker in the game will allow us to night role plan and that will basically give us auto now and yes you'd get outed if you were a liar at some point so you aren't exactly a necessary chop because you should self resolve.
Whatever you think boss. Wasn't planning on falling off the face of the earth mid day 1, so my grasp is nonexistent atm.

I'll trust yours and Tutuu's judgement. I can start doing ISO's tomorrow afternoon to get back into the game. Things should settle for me then.
You are aware of all the claims and the current POE yeah?
Not really.

Alison Cop
Jules Doc

And Tim's advice that I need to reread from yesterday.

The game has probably evolved since then though.

ISO Mac before he posts much more and you won't have to go back far to find a complete list.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:59 am It seems obvious that Hally was strongman killed. Usually in syndicate setups when strongman (and ninja) kills are in play they are factional modifiers and they usually only have one of each. Maaaaybe two. Need to be conscious of the possibility of it happening again.

Hally may have drawn a special strongman kill for excess info dumping...maybe.

It's getting kinda weird how we start talking about people and they just appear.

Hi Ted, what did you do while you weren't shooting JPIC?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:51 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:47 am RIP me. Looks like I'm the chop, but I suppose that's how poe goes.

Based on my role, I would advise that I could prove my alignment over time, but I get it if we think chopping me over another would clear the game faster.
Pending the outcomes of some things there are some others I wouldn't be averse to chopping first Wilgy. Having an outed town tracker in the game will allow us to night role plan and that will basically give us auto now and yes you'd get outed if you were a liar at some point so you aren't exactly a necessary chop because you should self resolve.

I can see the sense in this. I see you moved to Ted. I can get behind that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:49 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:42 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:37 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:33 am And yeah, Mac's dead by then.
I think I'm gonna last a while here. I might have been the first really cleared but now there are others cleared with better roles lol.
This was a complex mechanics hypothetical trying to salvage JPIC...you'd have had to die.

Me and my "maybe it's a ninja 3P postcapper" and my misplaced hope that JPIC was a real cop...I'd be alive.

BTW, with JPIC not a real cop you aren't the 3P by chance, are you?
No. If you want to see me play a 3p game there is one from earlier in the year I can show you. I supertowned myself clear day 1 by killing a mafia and then tactically scumsided the rest of the game.

Ermmm...didn't you super town yourself clear day one by killing a wolf here?

Hiya DrWilgy.

We might be killing you, but I have some order of resolution questions sent in to Sloonei that might change that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:37 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:33 am And yeah, Mac's dead by then.
I think I'm gonna last a while here. I might have been the first really cleared but now there are others cleared with better roles lol.

This was a complex mechanics hypothetical trying to salvage JPIC...you'd have had to die.

Me and my "maybe it's a ninja 3P postcapper" and my misplaced hope that JPIC was a real cop...I'd be alive.

BTW, with JPIC not a real cop you aren't the 3P by chance, are you?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:33 am I guess Occam’s razor is probably that JPIC got roleblocked or hit a JK and wilgy didn’t know it

It’s still a weird world tho

I think JPIC was carrying the kill on Hally and got vigged instead, and wilgy didn't go through all the consequences of the vig.

And yeah, Mac's dead by then.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:28 am Like there’s no way JPIC was gonna endgame even if he bought an extra day or two, so a plan where wilgy is outed after JPIC flips is like

Nonsensical

What if when it all finally goes bad the last wolf busses them both?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:28 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:26 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:21 am Idk man, either scenario the scum team played pretty suboptimally!
I'm thinking maybe bold play and they actually save JPIC. Think about it with no vig...JPIC claims a green on Tutuu. Wilgy makes this pretty great fake claim with a track on JPIC "because I wanted to maybe resolve the cop one way or another." You get chopped for sure.

It's already floating that maybe the postcapper is a 3P ninja or something. Wilgy "tracks" JPIC to another assigned check...do we kill that? Maybe not right away...and the longer they keep JPIC treading water, even though Wilgy is right behind him, the longer we aren't finding the last wolf.

I can see the wolf side.
As soon as I flip town JPIC is turboed 99% of the time

And wilgy immediately after that in this world

What if you get chopped, and the next night JPIC claims another visit with green check, and Wilgy backs him with yup, tracked him there, and someone far away comes down with a post cap...does JPIC get turboed then? Or do we start thinking the post capper is a ninja?

I see NO world where JPIC actually visits anyone. But if he just holsters and CLAIMS he visited, with a green check...

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:22 am Tutu is it possible you were jailkept last night?

Tutu is the jailkeeper.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:21 am Idk man, either scenario the scum team played pretty suboptimally!

I'm thinking maybe bold play and they actually save JPIC. Think about it with no vig...JPIC claims a green on Tutuu. Wilgy makes this pretty great fake claim with a track on JPIC "because I wanted to maybe resolve the cop one way or another." You get chopped for sure.

It's already floating that maybe the postcapper is a 3P ninja or something. Wilgy "tracks" JPIC to another assigned check...do we kill that? Maybe not right away...and the longer they keep JPIC treading water, even though Wilgy is right behind him, the longer we aren't finding the last wolf.

I can see the wolf side.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:17 am So the claim state in question is

Wilgy tracks JPIC to tutu
Tutu says she isn’t post capped
Wilgy claims this post JPIC dying

If he’s mafia and the plan was for him to claim to track JPIC to tutu this is a monumentally stupid plan to begin with cause it outs both of them after I flip town today, which is so not worth it at all

So unless scum were just incredibly stupid (which I know for sure that Wilgy is not) and wanted to trade 2 of them for one of me, then Wilgy forgot JPIC died and flipped when talking to tutu.....Wilgy probably just town I’m thinking

But if he is just town how does he have a track on JPIC going to Tutuu's in the first place?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:14 am It is too big ignore, it takes precedence over my tunnels

What happens if Wilgy flips wolf with my spear through his heart...being the great mafia player that you are do you possibly reassess your day zero reads?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:12 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:08 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:04 am Most of the time order of ops is such that dying people still get their ability off, i.e. a post capper would still cap someone’s posts if they die the same night

That said if they’re mafia together presumably wilgy would’ve known JPIC’s target so it’s not really a slip unless JPIC was roleblocked, in which case it’s probably a slip
So I was right initially, in your opinion, that JPIC could not have visited Tutuu and been tracked. Like they had a plan where JPIC carries the kill on Hally (which as the about dead anyway wolf he is the obvious choice) but claims to have checked Tutuu as instructed...and Wilgy backs him with the track...
Would require tutu to be mafia lying about not being post capped, but that’s pretty silly so

Idk why wilgy lies about it after jpic is dead tho that’s pretty silly

Didn't think it through. Arrives to find JPIC vigged and Mac is already demanding claims and just goes with the really well done fake that he had ready...not thinking about how the vig changes it.

And Hally dies anyway because the faction kill automatically goes to another wolf when JPIC gets vigged?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:11 am oddmerta's reads are so consistently vague & off that it's making it impossible for me to lock him as town. i feel a cognitive dissonance between the way that he's confidently coming into the thread declaring himself an expert mafia player while unironically suggesting that he's scumreading people for jokingly claiming mafia in the pre-game. perhaps i'll elaborate on this when i am more sober because i don't want to come off as mean lmao

I suspect I've already been meaner to him than you are likely to be...he's pretty tough.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:09 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:59 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:51 am
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Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:49 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:47 am @Oddmerta

who's in the bottom of your POE right now? me, tim, and drwigly? who else?
Are you up for a little speculation about mechanics? My drive to kill Wilgy is faltering.

PS...you really do misspell everyone's names, don't you?

sure, why are you skeptical about the wilgy lynch? what's making you doubtful?

also yeah, i do, lmao. i am notoriously bad at paying attention to other peoples usernames
So here's the thing...Wilgy's claim, on it's own, has that "too complicated to have been made up" feel. Mac acknowledged that and Wilgy joked back in a really towny natural way.

But part of his claim is a track on JPIC to Tutuu's. When Tutuu didn't get post capped she and Wilgy arrived at "well JPIC must have just gone to make it look like he was following Mac's plan." No offense to Tutuu, but that doesn't wash and I blasted Wilgy, who disappeared. (maybe just because he was leaving anyway)

But I took it as he has no answer for "bull, he can't just wander around, if he went to Tutuu's he went to post cap, and she didn't get postcapped."

However, it later struck me that if the order of resolution goes a certain way Wilgy gets his track, then JPIC gets vigged, then JPIC's postcap doesn't go because he is dead.

And I think...why does Wilgy create this elaborate claim with a huge hole in it? This is just real.
the most simple explanation i can give for this is that wilgy simply claimed that tutuu visited JPIC because he's scum and he had the TMI to correctly know where tutuu was going. i could see a world where wilgy decided to claim where his partner visited without much regard for how complicated the mechanics would become

but let's say we do live in a world where wilgy is town - where would that leave your reads? do you think all the pr claims are real in that case?

No, I was just really going off on Wigy's because it had this hole in it...but at first glance it did seem really good...if he hadn't just casually gotten talking to Tutuu and been lead to a really not good concept...but he went along with her and Wilgy would have just known better. Then when I came in and called him on it he ghosted.

Plan gets borked when JPIC gets vigged.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:04 am Most of the time order of ops is such that dying people still get their ability off, i.e. a post capper would still cap someone’s posts if they die the same night

That said if they’re mafia together presumably wilgy would’ve known JPIC’s target so it’s not really a slip unless JPIC was roleblocked, in which case it’s probably a slip

So I was right initially, in your opinion, that JPIC could not have visited Tutuu and been tracked. Like they had a plan where JPIC carries the kill on Hally (which as the about dead anyway wolf he is the obvious choice) but claims to have checked Tutuu as instructed...and Wilgy backs him with the track...

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:01 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:39 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I gave Dr Wilgy my town shield ever since he told me how to upload avatars. I have suspected spf and timsup ever since they had this weird outing themselves banter with Hally on day 1

spf and timsup are now both voting for Dr Wilgy, will you join me on a tim wagon?
Probably just gonna be sheeping alison/mac today, sorry!

They are gonna be moving eventually. Radishes got pretty sure mech cleared.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:51 am
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Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:49 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:47 am @Oddmerta

who's in the bottom of your POE right now? me, tim, and drwigly? who else?
Are you up for a little speculation about mechanics? My drive to kill Wilgy is faltering.

PS...you really do misspell everyone's names, don't you?

sure, why are you skeptical about the wilgy lynch? what's making you doubtful?

also yeah, i do, lmao. i am notoriously bad at paying attention to other peoples usernames

So here's the thing...Wilgy's claim, on it's own, has that "too complicated to have been made up" feel. Mac acknowledged that and Wilgy joked back in a really towny natural way.

But part of his claim is a track on JPIC to Tutuu's. When Tutuu didn't get post capped she and Wilgy arrived at "well JPIC must have just gone to make it look like he was following Mac's plan." No offense to Tutuu, but that doesn't wash and I blasted Wilgy, who disappeared. (maybe just because he was leaving anyway)

But I took it as he has no answer for "bull, he can't just wander around, if he went to Tutuu's he went to post cap, and she didn't get postcapped."

However, it later struck me that if the order of resolution goes a certain way Wilgy gets his track, then JPIC gets vigged, then JPIC's postcap doesn't go because he is dead.

And I think...why does Wilgy create this elaborate claim with a huge hole in it? This is just real.

Odd, if you can put aside your tunneling hat for a bit I'd even appreciate your opinion

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:47 am @Oddmerta

who's in the bottom of your POE right now? me, tim, and drwigly? who else?

Are you up for a little speculation about mechanics? My drive to kill Wilgy is faltering.

PS...you really do misspell everyone's names, don't you?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:46 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:39 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I gave Dr Wilgy my town shield ever since he told me how to upload avatars. I have suspected spf and timsup ever since they had this weird outing themselves banter with Hally on day 1

spf and timsup are now both voting for Dr Wilgy, will you join me on a tim wagon?
cant believe my mafia partner hally is gone

It is a bummer...we shouldn't have outed ourselves like that. There had to be at least one brilliant player in the crowd that would catch us.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:40 am i hope that your book becomes a best seller. even if it doesnt, i hope that you will feel proud of yourself for leaving a footprint in the world

I hope so too...my editor could use the money.

I'm already pretty arrogant, so the "footprint on the world" part is okay but not a priority.

To add some game content to this post...this thing with Wilgy is really bugging me.

Hey Nanook you wanna speculate on a mechanics question? I already asked Sloonei but...

A) he hasn't answered yet

B) he may choose not to

Tutuu keeping us focused on the big picture.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:32 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:29 am I could see quite a few people here unironically believing him.

No "all of the above"?

I'll read your posts if you let Tutuu off the hook on that bet.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:58 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:52 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:50 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:46 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:41 am oddmerta is town
Could be...I decided to just take your word for it and stop reading their posts.
they came in swinging their e-penis around and told us all that if they were scum they would have already dismantled the town core.

This level of ego comes from someone who cold called 3/4 scum in their d1 reads, not from someone who just watched their team get destroyed
Weren't me and SPF in their day one reads? That's two of four at best.
regardless, swaggering in and telling everyone how great you are at mafia is more likely to come from a player whose team has been crushing it.

As I said, I'm taking your word...just don't underestimate the power of raw arrogance...

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:50 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:46 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:41 am oddmerta is town
Could be...I decided to just take your word for it and stop reading their posts.
they came in swinging their e-penis around and told us all that if they were scum they would have already dismantled the town core.

This level of ego comes from someone who cold called 3/4 scum in their d1 reads, not from someone who just watched their team get destroyed

Weren't me and SPF in their day one reads? That's two of four at best.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:44 am oh btw, I believe in Herm's role and claim, My role is not exactly like that, but has a similarity in approach, although all different. but i think he is not the complimentary role, i'm starting to doubt if there's any complimentary role at all in the game. i will full claim sooner or later, i think that would be useful and town may suggest how town should proceed, but what i fear now is, more or less everyone claimed, it would be hard to save all the good roles by protection.

I believe it, but it could be a partial claim with added third party stuff like killing whole albums of people at a time if he meats the conditions. He's no wolf, but could be the 3P.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:41 am oddmerta is town

Could be...I decided to just take your word for it and stop reading their posts.

I have a bad feeling about my rampage against Wilgy.

Like I hit him with something that he had no answer for...

And now I might have an answer.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:19 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:18 am Well, you could take me out.

I suddenly am not so sure about killing Wilgy by the way...pending answers from Sloonei about a mechanical thing.
the consensus on you has turned around quite a lot but i still don't see a solid reason to tr you, tbqh

S'okay, I'm just a grinder. If I ever got to where I wasn't in anyone's poe I wouldn't really know what to do next.

Well, you could take me out.

I suddenly am not so sure about killing Wilgy by the way...pending answers from Sloonei about a mechanical thing.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:56 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:55 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:52 am yay, vindicated again about radish being town

now herm and oddmerta please be town too and then I can be happy

good work clearing radish, pc
Do you have any objection to me slaughtering Wilgy?
no. Mac does. Go talk to him.

Your approval is sufficient. I ain't scared o' Mac.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:52 am yay, vindicated again about radish being town

now herm and oddmerta please be town too and then I can be happy

good work clearing radish, pc

Do you have any objection to me slaughtering Wilgy?

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

I'mma kill Wilgy now.

Yeah that sounds like maybe a confirm that the role Radish claimed is the role Poison just saw as town.

I'm good for a Radish Wilgy turbo double header I think.

Of course that means Radishes is a wolf, because so far this game if I sound like I might be defending someone, they are a wolf.

Agreed. My only questions are about how whatever her read for the night was conflicts so dramatically with Radishes.

I'll thunderdome with Wilgy.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:35 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:03 pm
Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:37 pm Good morning and good night! Another scum down. Also, gg Hally.

Now,

Radishes is lying. @Master Radishes can you please claim your song name?
Lying about what?
His role, a town role uses dead player's ability. But iirc, radish said he used a dead player to shield Alison? That would be a bluff cause I Dont think two players would be having the same type of power given, using the dead in a game is rare on its own.

If a town role uses dead player's ability couldn't Radishes just BE that town role?

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