The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:46 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:44 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:36 pm Cause to me that reads as someone putting on the air of caring so as to logically justify their “suspicion”
Consider this in the context of who posted the case.

think about that before you open the spoiler here...

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you are talking about someone "putting on the air of caring"
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you are also talking about Master Radishes...does he really seem the type to put on such an air?
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that's why, yes, that was a VERY strong condemnation of Falcon, on the Radish scale
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so why did he not follow it?
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if you expected further spoon feeding
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too bad...get gud

So what I take from this is...I need to purchase this...gud. How do I look procure gud?

Chop a wolf. Trade pelts for gud. I suggest Radishes. He has emphasized all game "I am the Radish, I read nothing, I do nothing..." and the only exception really is a wall of quotes case...which he then doesn't follow behind the constantly overused "Tim just feels off."

You've been on hiatus for the entire length of my mafia existence, but "Tim feels off" isn't a case, it's a punch line. I "feel off" to everyone, every game, regardless of my alignment, their alignment, phase of the moon, whatever. Whether it is outing my role for no obvious reason, latching on to a read no one else believes, being snotty to a town core for no reason at all other than them being a town core, beating people over the head that I did something no wolf would ever do so fuck it I just am not gonna play any more...I have an endless list of "just feels off" things to do, and in every game I do at least one.

So for Radish to hang a frigging wall post case on Falcon and then say "but Tim feels off, so that case is equal or better and I go there" is just fucking ridiculous.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:36 pm Cause to me that reads as someone putting on the air of caring so as to logically justify their “suspicion”

Consider this in the context of who posted the case.

think about that before you open the spoiler here...

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DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:32 pm @Timsup2nothin always time for hugs!

u seemed do frustrated. and I get it this game is frustrating.

I confess...I played up the frustration looking for hugs...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:18 pm I mean kinda, yeah.

Vulgard’s iso is pretty freaking negative on Falcon.

Never votes there that I can tell. Ended up on Tim.

He did vote there. When I voted for Falcon I specifically said something like "fresh eyes and we've mostly sucked, so sure" and piled on as the second vote. I was extremely disgruntled when later the wagon got going and he said "oh I'm off to Tim then."

That's the thing...the two actual cases on Falcon I thought were both pretty good, and the people that made those cases both voted me instead with basically no reasons. Radishes never did vote Falcon. Vulgard was happy enough voting behind his but bailed when the wagon got real.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:59 pm Radishes, Vulgard, Monkey, LC.

If I pretend my reads are actually really good all of the sudden, that’s all the non townies.

(Though 3P could honestly be just about anywhere.)
I am hard pressed to see Vulgard and Radishes as both wolves. Remember me mirroring Orange? This smells like that. I just can't figure out who is the innocent Orange and who is the mirroring wolf with any degree of comfort. Either way you need a fourth, so your reads still suck.
Not if we don’t care about finding the 3P.

After GoC I think "I don't care about the 3P" is roughly equal to "just shoot me and get this over with," but ymmv.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:59 pm Radishes, Vulgard, Monkey, LC.

If I pretend my reads are actually really good all of the sudden, that’s all the non townies.

(Though 3P could honestly be just about anywhere.)

I am hard pressed to see Vulgard and Radishes as both wolves. Remember me mirroring Orange? This smells like that. I just can't figure out who is the innocent Orange and who is the mirroring wolf with any degree of comfort. Either way you need a fourth, so your reads still suck.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:03 pm One thing that bothers me is that Falcon didn't even self-pres.

Agreed. This throws all busing speculation into a higher order of probably wrong. If the wolves knew Falcon was totally out of contact and parked on no vote that gives one unique world of "so do we bus?" If the wolves think Falcon is dead no matter what and he should just no vote as anti-spew that's an entirely different world. When I started typing there was another entirely different world too, but I am not sure what it is...

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:24 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:22 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:16 pm I'm pretty decent at reading vulgard I think, I'll take a look after I get back from my appointment at the doctor which I scheduled after I took an arrow to the knee
If you people just set aside this "well, X is a Y reader, and Y reads B and C, and Z is an X reader, but is always wrong on A so that's useful too" approach to the game and just started looking at "this here, this is an ACTION, not just a POST THAT SOUNDS GOOD, but an actual doing of something, and that something is blatantly towny...where this other action is blatantly wolfy so maybe we kill the person who did that, hey?" maybe I wouldn't want to shoot everyone in the fucking knee all the time.
tim! *big squishy hugs*

tell me what u want me to do. I can't help u with your nite stuff, at least I don't think. so talk to me! who is acting scumbly?

Well, the hug was good, you can do that again.

As to the game...I'm thinking there is one wolf in Radishes/Vulgard, with an outside chance of two. Lost Monkey is descended so deep into such a small POE that I am thinking they have to be something bad. Marmot and Kyle are next level maybes, and Scotty, LC, Jack round out the tinfoil level. So basically whatever you feel in Radishes/Vulgard/Marmot/Kyle/Lost Monkey.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:46 pm Pretend I’m not really bad at math.

Every time I think you are not bad at math you offer up a proof.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:45 pm how do you guys post so much, do you all get mondays off

I'm retired. I get every day off.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:18 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:14 pm Radishes. What's your agenda today?
Do I need one?

I have some spares if you need a loaner.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:05 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:46 pm ha i thought that post from MR was towny but then i took an arrow to the knee
This is the problem with the whole "towny post" nonsense. Radish posts Radishy posts. Some "Radish reader" mistakes Radishy for towny and town reads him...and they are right three times out of four and get smug about it. Radish rands wolf, goes right on making Radishy posts, and the trusted 'Radish reader' is wrong...but, well, everyone takes an arrow in the knee once in a while. And the cycle just spins on.
i doon't think it was towny on tone. i don't really even have a sense of how MR posts, we don't play together often. I think it's towny because it's an absurd idea which a wolf would have no business coming up with. As a wolf, I used to never have absurd ideas, but then I took an arrow to the knee

Making absurd posts with an IDGAF flair, often outright open claiming wolf, IS the Radish tone, and it is completely NAI.

In GoC:

Tim: you're kinda suss Radish
Radish: meet me in wolf chat, we'll talk about it
Tim: okay

We were both town.

In the Vienna game recently:

Tim: you're kinda suss Radish
Radish meet me in wolf chat, we'll talk about it
Tim: okay

We were both wolves.

Radish posts the way he posts, and I post the way I post. I have yet to encounter these mythical players who are so polarized that someone "can just tell" they are a particular alignment. But every single game there are multiple people who claim that half the player list "made a towny post," or "seems towny," or some such BS.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:59 pm Tim I would've weighted my suspicion of you and Falc as more or less equal. At the time I left the thread to fall asleep you were slightly in the lead and I liked the others on your wagon (Jack and Vulgard maybe?). So I stayed put. The falc wagon only properly sprung up after I'd gone.

There was another wagon but I can't remember who now. But I didn't like it as much.

It was you, so that at least checks out.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:57 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:56 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:49 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:46 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:41 pm For post game cred: I didn't read much of Tim's post and I don't believe his claim.
This is classic Radish with the IDGAF defense. Building the bad town meta for the next wolf rand, or is this the wolf rand? No way to tell...but there's no way to make him actually help the town here.

If he flips wolf that looks less bad for Vulgard, and Vulgard seems useful if town.

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine
My entire being can be best summed up as 'IDGAF'.

See, this is why I just continue not to buy any of your suss on me Tim. You can't possibly believe half of what you say about/towards me.
The only things I am saying about you is that "I am Radish and IDGAF" is NAI and the people town reading you for posting it constantly are being dumb, and that the one crack in your IDGAF persona was when you made a wall case against Falcon, but that making that wall case and not voting behind it was a wolfy action.

Which half are you suggesting that I don't really believe?
The other half, I guess.

Well, the rest I think has been just the usual running gags about "meet me in wolf chat," and we both know I don't believe that stuff, so sure.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:54 pm I still don't see anyone giving good reasons not to kill LC, by the way.

Because there was absolutely no sensible wolf agenda behind his actions early day one, and he hasn't done anything objectively wolfy since.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:49 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:46 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:41 pm For post game cred: I didn't read much of Tim's post and I don't believe his claim.
This is classic Radish with the IDGAF defense. Building the bad town meta for the next wolf rand, or is this the wolf rand? No way to tell...but there's no way to make him actually help the town here.

If he flips wolf that looks less bad for Vulgard, and Vulgard seems useful if town.

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine
My entire being can be best summed up as 'IDGAF'.

See, this is why I just continue not to buy any of your suss on me Tim. You can't possibly believe half of what you say about/towards me.

The only things I am saying about you is that "I am Radish and IDGAF" is NAI and the people town reading you for posting it constantly are being dumb, and that the one crack in your IDGAF persona was when you made a wall case against Falcon, but that making that wall case and not voting behind it was a wolfy action.

Which half are you suggesting that I don't really believe?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:46 pm ha i thought that post from MR was towny but then i took an arrow to the knee

This is the problem with the whole "towny post" nonsense. Radish posts Radishy posts. Some "Radish reader" mistakes Radishy for towny and town reads him...and they are right three times out of four and get smug about it. Radish rands wolf, goes right on making Radishy posts, and the trusted 'Radish reader' is wrong...but, well, everyone takes an arrow in the knee once in a while. And the cycle just spins on.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:41 pm For post game cred: I didn't read much of Tim's post and I don't believe his claim.

This is classic Radish with the IDGAF defense. Building the bad town meta for the next wolf rand, or is this the wolf rand? No way to tell...but there's no way to make him actually help the town here.

If he flips wolf that looks less bad for Vulgard, and Vulgard seems useful if town.

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine

If I had just gone to the stupid chaos shrine every night I'd have made enough money to vig the entire wolf team and out the 3P. This town man...

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:25 pm i have absolutely no idea what vulgard has done because i haven't understood any of the last five pages because I took an arrow to the knee

Cased Falcon, then bailed when wagon actually took off. This is called distancing gone bad. The only possible thing to say for it is that Radishes cased Falcon also and then never voted him at all. This is called "oh fuck, partner might go down, better lay something down for spew reads just in case." The only thing I can say for either of them is that MAYBE since they both cased Falcon and then baselessly ended up on the same townie maybe they aren't BOTH wolves.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:16 pm I'm pretty decent at reading vulgard I think, I'll take a look after I get back from my appointment at the doctor which I scheduled after I took an arrow to the knee

If you people just set aside this "well, X is a Y reader, and Y reads B and C, and Z is an X reader, but is always wrong on A so that's useful too" approach to the game and just started looking at "this here, this is an ACTION, not just a POST THAT SOUNDS GOOD, but an actual doing of something, and that something is blatantly towny...where this other action is blatantly wolfy so maybe we kill the person who did that, hey?" maybe I wouldn't want to shoot everyone in the fucking knee all the time.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:03 pm Or are you saying the 3P did those?

I actually believe there is a vig shrine. It may have only one person who can use it and they accessed it N1 and then agin three days later, or it may have multiple people who can access it and it give just one of them a vig...and of course they all went N1. Maybe if that is true they got smarter and one got a vig N4 and one or more will access it tonight, which would be cool.

I on the other hand am a straight up rechargeable town vig. I do go to shrines, and as the merchant I do make money based on how many people show up there, but the purpose of the money is that I can buy writs from the Morag Tong. They are the guild of honorable assassins from Morrowind, and they never miss because even if they do they just send another assassin. If Mac had been protected N3 he'd have been hit again N4, etc until dead. The only person I cannot vig is the Champion of Molag Ball. If I try to writ him they will refuse my money and I get to try someone else the next night.

I was holding out because obviously a vig is just gonna get NKed, especially a vig that already turned the game around by blasting Mac, but my goose egg on sales last night and the dwindling prospects indicate I am not gonna get another shot anyway. I need to get four more sales and with so many shrines and so few players chances of getting more than one a night seem slim.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:57 pmWhy

Cuz.

I thought we had this all planned out.

Back to wolf chat.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:58 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:50 am I want Tim to be telling the truth rather badly for a number of obvious reasons. It would fit in with several narratives. It would be funny. But especially it would allow me to start working with instead of against Tim.

Also, it’s really easy to verify if he’s telling the truth or not.

Everyone should explicitly CC or not CC Tim. If nobody CCs 3P, Tim is confirmed 3P and we can put all this to bed. If someone CCs, then we yeet Tim and if he flips 3P, we yeet the CCer tomorrow.

The only downside to this is if Tim is a wolf and the real 3P doesn’t CC. I think this is unlikely because with the current gamestate, claiming 3P and being believed probably means you probably coast to victory whereas a real unclaimed 3P is at risk of being nked or yeeted. It’s more the super corner case of a 3P being flat forbidden from claiming in his rolecard. Super corner case. Very unlikely. I’m okay losing in that scenario.

I am town, not 3P.
WTF????

I never said I was the 3P.

I'm assuming the Mace is some sort of soup kill thing that is collecting our names somehow, much like Alison's power in GoC. I am exactly what I said, the merchant, it's just the what I can buy are writs from the Molag Tong. c"mon man, you've played Morrowind...

The 3P doesn't need to cc me. All you need is some shrine goer to say they went to the same shrine as whoever went nights one and four, but they went on night three and killed Mac. That's the counter claim the wolves need to make.

But they won't, because my fellow townies managed to out their vig. <slow clap>
Who outed themselves as the vig? Did I miss that?

Uhhhh...me. It's what we are currently talking about here...

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:13 pm Oh we're at this stage of the game are we.

Yeah. Give a defense of Vulgard please.

In before "Lost Monkey probably really killed Mac, would CC if they showed up, Tim's still a wolf because he says mean things about the town."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:29 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:06 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:54 am If people are scumreading me because I didn't pay attention to the OP, I'm disappointed. I expected better. What, can town not ignore the OP or not pay attention, especially if they subbed in? Don't be ridiculous.

My PoE is similar to Radishes' PoE. The problem is that it's too small. Which is why I'm looking at people I'm not 100% sold on being town.

The scumreads on me feel like wolves scrambling because the reasoning is so terrible. "Vulgard didn't realize how many nontown there are, must be mafia."
It's not about you skipping the OP, or missing something in it. It's about the number of people who matter of factly stated at various points that there were five wolves according to the setup. You ISOed those people and never noticed? In more than a couple cases there was back and forth "how many wolves you think?" "five wolves" "you seem really sure <suss>" "well it's in the OP so..." "oh" type exchanges.

It could be that you are the hero the town really needed to step into the idle slot and you have worked your ass off, did all these ISOs while missing those conversations, and blasted out a bunch of 'solid' reads even if they are kinda "feelies" more than facts.

But it also could be that you are the power wolf the wolves needed to step in for dead Mac. That would explain how you did all the ISOs missing certain key points but coming up with very Mac like "feelie" reads...you could get them in wolf chat and they could conveniently fit the agenda rather than the reality.

Like, Master Radishes is not the least bit townish, but he's at the top of your list. Why is that? Daisy you have swung wildly around on, mostly without any reason beyond "need to widen the POE here." You've taken up dead Mac's torch of "Tim is pushing insane reads" when mine have been actually as good or better than yours.

All in all you could be either way here and have done nothing AI...but now you drop in the "oh BTW I'm the Jailkeeper that blocked Gavial who was going to provide a track." Now that is alignment indicative. Gavial, for all his daffy reads, is at least probably town, and with his tracker/watcher claim is a prime target for killing or blocking by wolves.

You have all these "suspects" in your POE, wtf would you JK the claimed tracker for as town? It wasn't protective...the wolves needed to kill Made. It wasn't to clear him. Maybe a tracker result would have, but you kept him from that. Might have cleared someone else too. And yeah since we are down in the short strokes that would be very bad...for the wolves.

So here's the deal @Master Radishes @Scotty @Jackofhearts2005

I set out this game to play nice. Work with the townies. Do my part. I put up with Mac gaslighting how I was bad my reads were bad my concern about letting the wolves get Bo's artifact was bad blah blah fucking blah. And you lot have blundered right along with the wolf. Jack with his "oh well sure maybe you did something towny but that could just be wifom" mindless fucking tunneling. Radishes with "gosh, serious, must be wolfing." Scotty with "gosh talks about his worthless "power of merchant" like he doesn't care if he dies. I don't have to worry about getting NKed because you towns with your halfbaked Timfoil are like a constant promise to just mischop me and not even need any help from the wolves.

Now here is a guy who has done something blatantly fucking wolfy. And not a fucking doubt in my mind you lot are gonna say "but gosh, feels towny, and y'know townies do wolfy things sometimes" and blithely continue chopping people who do towny things because of your daft fucking feelie reads and giving passes to people who do wolfy things because of your daft fucking feelie reads. At least Scotty has at least one excuse, he's out of practice. Everybody else needs to just get gud here. Or fucking lose. I honestly am beyond caring at this point.

By the way, I have used my role like a fucking master....Jack, by fucking lying my ass off, and here's the key to a good lie...keep it close to the truth. I am exactly the Imperial merchant. If somebody checked my race with your shriney powers you'd not be able to dispute it. I have never lied about what shrine I was at, so again no one can dispute it. I do collect money, and everything I have said about what I can do with it before today was made up whole fucking cloth but could never be checked...it was whatever I needed to keep the wolves off my back and my fellow townies who are apparently dumb as a box of hammers from killing me.

Because outing the one thing I could actually buy makes me a target...so I kept it hidden until today. Now you clowns have convinced me (along with my complete inability to guess what shrine you lot are gonna go to, and that's my bad) that I will never get enough to buy a second writ...but here's a news flash...the Morag Tong killed Mac because I FUCKING PAID THEM TO. I am the "charging up" vig. I'm the only towny that has done fucking thing one right until we blundered onto Falcon yesterday despite you baboons wanting to kill me instead. Piss on the lot of ye. Gavial's reads are fucking better.
I misread this post where Tim keeps talking about the town this and you townies that as basically claiming 3P.

And then Tim is like “my fellow townies.”

Bleeeeeeeeeh

A vig claim is not nearly as convincing as a 3P claim but I still kinda believe it short of a CC.

I'm one of you, assuming you are town...it's just that if you are town at that particular time I was not wanting to be associated with you. Git gud if you want me to count you as an actual partner in towning.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:43 am Ok let’s assume Tim is 3p. This would mean he is on no one’s team, and we would want to stop looking at him as teammate compatible.

Gav has been screaming to the rooftops that Tim is SK. Linking Mac as the one to out him.

That is suspicious because this could have been something by they discussed in scum chat and Gav has attached himself to that and expounded it ad nauseum.

This is just daft AF.

If Gavial has been discussing "Tim's the 3P" in wolf chat then you should KNOW I am not the 3P because the wolves would have razored me to get the mace. Come to that, if I were the 3P do you really think I would have been playing "no, I have the slammer hammer" games with KZA? This is why I so seldom bother telling the truth...even when I do you Timfoilers go nuts with it.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:29 am I'm being voted by Gavial, a 3p (?) and a likely wolf. Please don't add fuel to this dumpster fire.

What do we think about Marmot? I'll go study Falcon's ISO again when I get the chance.

The one that you need to study is Radishes.

There is no way that two daft but innocent townies presented good cases for voting Falcon and then ended up voting for me while the wolf died. One of you is a wolf. If it ain't you...

And no I am not the 3P, just a humble merchant. Quit expecting easy answers.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:50 am I want Tim to be telling the truth rather badly for a number of obvious reasons. It would fit in with several narratives. It would be funny. But especially it would allow me to start working with instead of against Tim.

Also, it’s really easy to verify if he’s telling the truth or not.

Everyone should explicitly CC or not CC Tim. If nobody CCs 3P, Tim is confirmed 3P and we can put all this to bed. If someone CCs, then we yeet Tim and if he flips 3P, we yeet the CCer tomorrow.

The only downside to this is if Tim is a wolf and the real 3P doesn’t CC. I think this is unlikely because with the current gamestate, claiming 3P and being believed probably means you probably coast to victory whereas a real unclaimed 3P is at risk of being nked or yeeted. It’s more the super corner case of a 3P being flat forbidden from claiming in his rolecard. Super corner case. Very unlikely. I’m okay losing in that scenario.

I am town, not 3P.

WTF????

I never said I was the 3P.

I'm assuming the Mace is some sort of soup kill thing that is collecting our names somehow, much like Alison's power in GoC. I am exactly what I said, the merchant, it's just the what I can buy are writs from the Molag Tong. c"mon man, you've played Morrowind...

The 3P doesn't need to cc me. All you need is some shrine goer to say they went to the same shrine as whoever went nights one and four, but they went on night three and killed Mac. That's the counter claim the wolves need to make.

But they won't, because my fellow townies managed to out their vig. <slow clap>

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:18 am It doesn't matter to me whether we kill you or LC today, for instance.

I'm sure it doesn't, since he is the only one who has actually done something obviously towny besides me.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:18 am Where are they, Tim? You've spent most of this day phase attacking me. Where are my teammates, and where's the 3p? Where are the nontown, Tim? Where are they?

This is the same horseshit I got from tunneler Jack. "Oh I can't see a team without Tim"...so I suggest a team. No one on that team can Jack clear beyond "well gosh, seems towny. Long Con suggests a team, and Jack can't clear a single one of them either...that makes a team OF SIX. But tunnelin' Jack ain't gonna look, and neither are you. Don't wanna find out your feelie reads are wrong, or you are just a wolf. Either or.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:05 am What I don't understand is how this makes me a wolf.

I just explained that. Wolf knows there are five wolves. Wolf goes to make a post about the number of wolves to be posting. Wolf says "uh oh, if I just say "there's five wolves" that's TMI so I better hedge it up." But the wolf missed that EVERYONE knows there are five wolves so it wouldn't have been TMI at all. It's been discussed ad nauseum already multiple times in the thread.

PS: Jailkeep on Gavial was a bonehead play if you are town.

Meanwhile, how about you drop the gaslighter Mac impressions. I get fucking tired after a certain amount of "level zero reads, I dismiss you summarily" crap. READ THE ISSUE...it isn't "missed the number of wolves in the OP" it hasn't been in any of the five times I've stated the problem.

The problem is you maybe didn't read the OP, but you read a MOUNTAIN of ISOs that talked about the number of wolves...as stated in the OP. So you missed ALL of those. And yeah, you can see how many wolves there are when you are sitting in wolf chat, but that makes "there are five wolves" TMI so you don't wanna say it like it's a fact. So you throw out your "speculation" just to be sounding solvy and you say it so you don't look like you have TMI...but yeah that was something you just should know. Not from wolf chat, and not from the OP, but from those ISOs you keep telling us about...if you had actually done them.

And when confronted with this you just keep making this broken record bullshit response about "well townies don't always read the OP." You need to add "or the basis of the case being levied at them, because this is the sixth time I've spelled it out and apparently you aren't reading it any more than you read the OP.

Nice crosspost.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:33 am Give me a reason why I would hardclaim blocking the tracker/watcher claim as mafia. So you can push me based on it, like you're doing right now?

Beats me...ask Jack.

How about you answer my question...as town why in the world would you have done that?

[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

Get gud you lame townies. I haven't got a solve and I'm certainly dying soon now, but at least I killed a wolf...and yes I also claim a significant chunk of the Falcon pelt and just because you can't follow it doesn't mean it doesn't count...and I'm gonna hand you another one here.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:55 am Looking at DaisyCloud/lost monkey/Marmot/Kylemii for 2/4 remaining nontown.

I can't see a world where Tim/LC aren't both mafia. I have good reasons to clear the top 4 people on my list. You'd have to sell me on people in the four I've listed, but both Tim and LC are pushing insane worlds.

Shove your "pushing insane worlds" sideways.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:54 am If people are scumreading me because I didn't pay attention to the OP, I'm disappointed. I expected better. What, can town not ignore the OP or not pay attention, especially if they subbed in? Don't be ridiculous.

My PoE is similar to Radishes' PoE. The problem is that it's too small. Which is why I'm looking at people I'm not 100% sold on being town.

The scumreads on me feel like wolves scrambling because the reasoning is so terrible. "Vulgard didn't realize how many nontown there are, must be mafia."

It's not about you skipping the OP, or missing something in it. It's about the number of people who matter of factly stated at various points that there were five wolves according to the setup. You ISOed those people and never noticed? In more than a couple cases there was back and forth "how many wolves you think?" "five wolves" "you seem really sure <suss>" "well it's in the OP so..." "oh" type exchanges.

It could be that you are the hero the town really needed to step into the idle slot and you have worked your ass off, did all these ISOs while missing those conversations, and blasted out a bunch of 'solid' reads even if they are kinda "feelies" more than facts.

But it also could be that you are the power wolf the wolves needed to step in for dead Mac. That would explain how you did all the ISOs missing certain key points but coming up with very Mac like "feelie" reads...you could get them in wolf chat and they could conveniently fit the agenda rather than the reality.

Like, Master Radishes is not the least bit townish, but he's at the top of your list. Why is that? Daisy you have swung wildly around on, mostly without any reason beyond "need to widen the POE here." You've taken up dead Mac's torch of "Tim is pushing insane reads" when mine have been actually as good or better than yours.

All in all you could be either way here and have done nothing AI...but now you drop in the "oh BTW I'm the Jailkeeper that blocked Gavial who was going to provide a track." Now that is alignment indicative. Gavial, for all his daffy reads, is at least probably town, and with his tracker/watcher claim is a prime target for killing or blocking by wolves.

You have all these "suspects" in your POE, wtf would you JK the claimed tracker for as town? It wasn't protective...the wolves needed to kill Made. It wasn't to clear him. Maybe a tracker result would have, but you kept him from that. Might have cleared someone else too. And yeah since we are down in the short strokes that would be very bad...for the wolves.

So here's the deal @Master Radishes @Scotty @Jackofhearts2005

I set out this game to play nice. Work with the townies. Do my part. I put up with Mac gaslighting how I was bad my reads were bad my concern about letting the wolves get Bo's artifact was bad blah blah fucking blah. And you lot have blundered right along with the wolf. Jack with his "oh well sure maybe you did something towny but that could just be wifom" mindless fucking tunneling. Radishes with "gosh, serious, must be wolfing." Scotty with "gosh talks about his worthless "power of merchant" like he doesn't care if he dies. I don't have to worry about getting NKed because you towns with your halfbaked Timfoil are like a constant promise to just mischop me and not even need any help from the wolves.

Now here is a guy who has done something blatantly fucking wolfy. And not a fucking doubt in my mind you lot are gonna say "but gosh, feels towny, and y'know townies do wolfy things sometimes" and blithely continue chopping people who do towny things because of your daft fucking feelie reads and giving passes to people who do wolfy things because of your daft fucking feelie reads. At least Scotty has at least one excuse, he's out of practice. Everybody else needs to just get gud here. Or fucking lose. I honestly am beyond caring at this point.

By the way, I have used my role like a fucking master....Jack, by fucking lying my ass off, and here's the key to a good lie...keep it close to the truth. I am exactly the Imperial merchant. If somebody checked my race with your shriney powers you'd not be able to dispute it. I have never lied about what shrine I was at, so again no one can dispute it. I do collect money, and everything I have said about what I can do with it before today was made up whole fucking cloth but could never be checked...it was whatever I needed to keep the wolves off my back and my fellow townies who are apparently dumb as a box of hammers from killing me.

Because outing the one thing I could actually buy makes me a target...so I kept it hidden until today. Now you clowns have convinced me (along with my complete inability to guess what shrine you lot are gonna go to, and that's my bad) that I will never get enough to buy a second writ...but here's a news flash...the Morag Tong killed Mac because I FUCKING PAID THEM TO. I am the "charging up" vig. I'm the only towny that has done fucking thing one right until we blundered onto Falcon yesterday despite you baboons wanting to kill me instead. Piss on the lot of ye. Gavial's reads are fucking better.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:50 am but I took an arrow to the knee

There is a lesson here...going to the chaos shrine is nothing but a test of how creatively annoying Sloonei can be. Do not do this.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:32 am Is Mehrune's not just a scum shrine?

They are all the same to me...I can go to any of them, but none of them do anything...my result is strictly based on how many people go...I just figured the Daedric Prince of Destruction seemed like a likely place to get a vig shot.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:26 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:22 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:17 am Are you sure it's not a vig/Shrine ability? We've had two kills every night except night 2 right? Oh and three on Night 3 because BK was razored.
I think the second kills on N1 and N4 are someone who has a vig shrine and can go every third night.

That's separate from the N3 kill on Mac...I don't really understand that one unless it is something like my lasertower vig from GoC...took three nights to charge up.
Not every vig shoots immediately when they can, some like to wait for a more confident shot.

True...maybe a 2x...or 1x vig?

That doesn't seem to fit the flavor though. I think it was maybe the 3P Mace of Molag Ball person and they for some reason wanted to help the hapless town so they killed Mac.

I have avoided temptation on all the lesser things I can buy and long about N7 I might get a vig shot if I manage to survive. Or never if I get results like last night.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:17 am Are you sure it's not a vig/Shrine ability? We've had two kills every night except night 2 right? Oh and three on Night 3 because BK was razored.

I think the second kills on N1 and N4 are someone who has a vig shrine and can go every third night.

That's separate from the N3 kill on Mac...I don't really understand that one unless it is something like my lasertower vig from GoC...took three nights to charge up.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:15 am That makes sense I guess.

Also, Sloonei is smart and orders nightkills in alphabetical order so we can't read into the ordering.

Yeah...but Made the greenchecked is the obvious NK here.

Gavails on again off again SK, near as I can tell, has killed exactly once in four nights, so not exactly a psychopath.

Night four is when whoever went to the vig shrine N1 and shot Nanook got to go back again, so I am assuming they shot Nacho.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:12 am Was Made razor stab and nacho a regular mafia kill?

No because it says the artifact was destroyed. If Made had been razored the mafia would have gotten it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:11 am I'm laughing, but yes it is coincidence. I can post normally.

Well, normally enough...for a Marmot.

is it just a coincidence that those posts rhyme Marmot?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:18 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:14 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:11 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:04 am If there are any developments since Day start gimme the headlines.
Let’s see..what else.

Tim and I have been in a spat over biscuits. He took the biscuits and he isn’t giving them back.

Marmot is still a giant question mark and will be until endgame or someone kills him.

Gavial suspects jack and Daisy and Vulgard and you and the queen of England and Mrs Potts and George jetson and jack

That’s the banner headlines from my mind
You left out that there is a pretty sketchy hole in Vulgard's knowledge for someone who claims to have ISOed everyone under the sun once or twice. I might be talking myself into Vulgard wolf, Radishes town.
Wow you and gavial are really clinging to that.

Granted, I did catch falcon on d3 forgetting made was green checked (or maybe it was syn? Don’t remember) and jack also seemed to forget that. I think jack is town, so I know it can happen

I missed it, and I am town...but I didn't come into the game late and claim to have ISOed a bunch of people who had talked about it either. That's a different issue.

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