The Syndicate

Mmkay, I guess I'm being voted now. I'm not sure there's a ton I can say in my defense, because most of what I think proves my towniness this game is just stuff I picked up on about myself from previous games, and that's not going to mean anything to you.

While I know this is the wrong chop, I do think there's information to be had when I flip, so it's not the worst choice you could have picked. I'm starting to think all my reads are just absolute garbage this game, so I honestly don't have any idea who I would recommend we go for instead. I'm also probably not the 8-ball, so you should have a few more chops after this one.

I'm really sorry I don't have time to reply to anyone or really say anything in my defense, but I have to go again.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:34 pm psi is the least chaotic therefore she is mafia

I'm afraid I don't understand your logic here

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:27 pm how did you come out of esooa interraction with tutuu as not teammates?

Mostly because I was hard townreading her at the time and was finding it difficult to imagine her as mafia. I'm still townreading her but I guess I can take a look at the interactions again

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:05 pm why is epi mafia? if you believe it's epi so strongly, what's the case?

cos we have multiple evidence that epi is not maifa..

Esooa's development on Epi was very unusual. She wanted to place a townread on him, but she didn't want to be very strong about it. Every post about him was "I want to believe X, but there's also Y..." which is a progression I've done on my teammates myself multiple times, so I think that looks a lot like a partner interaction. Besides, he's done absolutely nothing to warrent a townread outside of the TMI thing, while everybody else has given me at least one reason.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:23 pm PSI is still a dark horse candidate for mafia.

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:56 pm Mmm, gonna switch to Marmot since it looks like nobody wants to chop Epi.

I do think we should really be chopping between Epi and Marmot today, we need to get these two solved before we move onto the possibility that neither is mafia. I am aware that if we choose wrong we'll likely have to deal with a NK, but I'm prepared for that possibility and I think that's fine.

I'm heading out for now, y'all better not chop somebody stupid while I'm gone. So GET YOUR DAMN VOTES OFF NANOOK AND TUTUU

PSI, why was Nanook a stupid chop?

Because he wasn't even really in anyone's POE and I thought there were much better suspects and even, say, a Tutuu chop would give us more information. Nanook was obv!town FMPOV

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:16 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:04 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Really thinking he or Epi (yes I'm still on Epi even with the TMI thing, I can't clear someone just based off of one thing sorry) is the choice for today. Also I theorize that Tutuu might be the 8-ball.
Sure you can.

No you don't understand I literally can't

With one piece of evidence there are too many other possible explanations, but with multiple posts to affirm it things suddenly it becomes a lot harder to find loopholes. I always need more than one post, my brain does not comprehend clearing someone off of a single piece of evidence.

But I understand nobody else is planning on going for an Epi chop today or any time soon so I'm honestly okay with just giving up on it for now, insisting "Epi is mafia" isn't going to convince anyone.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:37 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:04 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Really thinking he or Epi (yes I'm still on Epi even with the TMI thing, I can't clear someone just based off of one thing sorry) is the choice for today. Also I theorize that Tutuu might be the 8-ball.
Why does this matter to you? This ends when the final mafia member is dead.

Just to point out because I think chopping Tutuu is especially bad if this is the case.

Epi, may I ask you a silly question? What is your current read on me? You voted me on Day 1, but I don't think you've said anything about me aside from teasing since then.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Really thinking he or Epi (yes I'm still on Epi even with the TMI thing, I can't clear someone just based off of one thing sorry) is the choice for today. Also I theorize that Tutuu might be the 8-ball.

Are you guys serious? Jeez, what did I tell you?

I mean the good news is that I'm pretty sure Nanook wasn't the 8-ball. But still.

Think some more analysis is in order, but now's really not the time to start collecting it; might try later today though.

For now I'm thinking I'd rather not influence the mafia's decision on who to target.

Mmm, gonna switch to Marmot since it looks like nobody wants to chop Epi.

I do think we should really be chopping between Epi and Marmot today, we need to get these two solved before we move onto the possibility that neither is mafia. I am aware that if we choose wrong we'll likely have to deal with a NK, but I'm prepared for that possibility and I think that's fine.

I'm heading out for now, y'all better not chop somebody stupid while I'm gone. So GET YOUR DAMN VOTES OFF NANOOK AND TUTUU

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:16 pm But that's boring

What's the point of playing if we're never going to do anything

Besides DDL would just modkill us anyway

Edit but not really: I just realized that's not the point, you weren't suggesting it's a good idea you were just theorizing

Sorry I took it too literally

But that's boring

What's the point of playing if we're never going to do anything

Besides DDL would just modkill us anyway

Hnnnnggggghhhhh the TMI thing is making me start to doubt myself

And Dunya has a point about Marmot

But I don't wanna change my mind already being confident was fun

I mean he can be I'm just townreading him right now so him being the 8-ball is my current theory

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:07 pm Do you think tutuu is the 8ball PSI?

No I doubt it

Still p sure Marmot is the 8-ball

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:59 pm i think the "when" thing is almost certainly tmi

and i think he is the 8 ball and you are suspicious for pushing him so hard here and refusing to even slightly consider tutuu when several others think she is scum

if you ended up in a f3 with tutuu you'd consider she can be mafia right??

P sure I've used that kind of language about my teammate before honestly, so it's not out of the realm of possibility

Of course I'd consider, that's how you play

I just really don't think she's the correct chop for today and I think y'all are making a mistake

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:57 pm starting to wonder if i should rescind my strength of lock on psi bc she'd definitely fit as having tmi on tutuu being town and pushing unequivocally for the epi chop if epi is the 8ball aaaaaaaa

Nah man this is my overconfident townie ass talkin' here I never get this overconfident as mafia

Besides this would look so bad for me if Epi flips town I know I'll probably be one of the first on the chopping block tomorrow if he does, I could never imagine doing something this risky when there's so many drawbacks and it's not even that close to the end of the game

I mean it's up to you whether you believe me or not since you've never seen my scum game but I know in my head that's how it be so yeah

Mmmmmm lemme say a thing about Epi

Notice almost every time Esooa mentions him she says something along the lines of "I want to think X but there's also Y..." This is a wishy-washy read I most often see from teammates. I know this from experience because I've done this very thing myself as mafia.

The "when he flips town" thing could be TMI but I don't think it necessarily has to. I think there's more evidence that they are teammates than that they aren't tbh

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:44 pm ....yeah, we chop tutuu over epi here

psi pls

look at where esooa groups you with tutuu as townreads

No

This does not matter

Esooa can put a general-consensus-townread in with a pocket townread and it doesn't mean one is her teammate

I refuse to believe Tutuu is mafia

This goes against my read and my brain does not comprehend

I am confident that Tutuu is town and I trust my gut enough to know that this read at the very least is correct

I may not be the best at reading anyone ever, and certainly not Tutuu who's scum game I've never read, but I am confident in this at least and I literally cannot see it any other way

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:29 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:24 pm If there's anyone on the Tutuu wagon who townreads me and trusts my takes I would encourage you to vote Epi because I sincerely believe this is the correct chop and I really think chopping Tutuu is a mistake

spec chat's probably laughing about how misguided and overconfident I am
i respect that

PSI gives me protagonist vibes

the silent girl at the back of the class that doesn't say much (and she definitely has circular big glasses like harry potter). and shes a huge nerd and bookworm

BUT, one day, a criminal walks in the school and threatens everyone to give them money at gunpoint. the whole class panicks and doesn't know what to do, but PSI pushes up her glasses to her face (who reflect the white light from the windows), she naruto ninja runs towards the assailant and drop kicks him (while shes doing it the camerawork from the matrix kick in and they show her from all angles) and then after she saved the day she turns towards the camera, she does a split, and the assailant explodes

Lol

I mean that's fair. But I still think Epi is scum

As he put it, he is "le LHF

"

Oh btw for the record I would advise against chopping Marmot unless we're okay with a NK because unless Marmot is actually mafia I'm almost 100% convinced he was the 8-ball target with how much we were like "either Marmot or Epi tomorrow" last Night

If there's anyone on the Tutuu wagon who townreads me and trusts my takes I would encourage you to vote Epi because I sincerely believe this is the correct chop and I really think chopping Tutuu is a mistake

spec chat's probably laughing about how misguided and overconfident I am

I'm starting to think I'm just so incredibly convinced that Epi is the last scum that I can't see anyone else as scum anymore

This is probably a hard tunnel or something but I don't really feel like it's a tunnel it just feels like I solved the game

I shouldn't be this confident but I legitimately just can't see it any other way

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:59 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:57 pm Tutuu still feels townie to me, but she's slipping down. I honestly don't know what to think about her at this point.
i think that you dont know what to think about me at this point because you have the correct read that im town, but you also feel the need to conform to the peer pressure of everyone else saying im mafia

Actually you're right, but it's also because you just finished a game where you were scum and apparently you did super well and tricked everybody so now I'm like "well the bar for Tutuu towniness is super high now, so maybe what she's done in this game isn't enough to warrent a townread"

Bleh I can't think of you as anything but town but I don't want to be wrong

All right guys, sorry I disappeared for a day, got busy with IRL stuff; but I'm back now so that's good.

I'm actually starting to townread Marmot right now, honestly? I think I have to do an ISO to figure out exactly why but I'm really feeling him town rn.

I still think Epi is the correct chop here, but I guess Tutuu is a good info chop if that's how things end up.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Tutuu still feels townie to me, but she's slipping down. I honestly don't know what to think about her at this point.

I feel like I'm slowly starting to accept Dunya as town tbh. I think the way she reacted to my reaction by thinking it was kinda towny and then doubting herself was pretty seemed genuine, and I don't think her tunnel of me is born from ill intent.

Honestly I don't know who I'll prioritize next if Epi and Marmot are both town. Maybe I'll figure that out if/when we get to that point.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:29 am GTH is gun to head

Doesmt mean those reads last even 5 minutes when you think about them

True, but you also mentioned that everyone but me and Marmot had given you some reason to be townread, implying you townread Esooa at the time. Was that just the result of the GTH read, or was there a different reason you didn't mention? That's the part I've been confused about.

Esooa/Dunya

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Esooa's mentions of Dunya:

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:06 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pm I think nutella knows damn well dunya isn't going to get lynched Day 1, and that hesitation looks phony. [VOTE: dunya] aubergine
my first thought when i saw this was ohhh i buy it. yep. i see why he did that.

but now at reread it's not like that.

if me and nutella are teammates, the hesitation isn't just phony, she's prevoted for who to eliminate this day phase and im pretty sure it isn't me. (even if nutella is actually wolf here, she's not voting me to be the d1 lynch for sure). why would she phony it in with me?

like, i think epignosis should conclude more from that nutella being w than dunya and nutella being w/w. it's very a strange progression. the words make sense, but just not entirely in this game setup.

i dunno if this is some magical distancing strategy from nutella and epi, but wolf epi would have a better reading of the game setup i think so im leaning town there now.

and im not bothered about town epi, cos he is an asset to town and will be able to see town dunya eventually. lean

i did mind gymnastics to get here. that's a weak ass read, im disappoint.
commenting on the nutella/dunya thing, I don't really think apprehension to vote there is as much of a partner interaction as epi makes it out to be. I also just forget to vote sometimes, I don't do it super often but maybe that's just me. But I think the way nutella voted and responded after being called out by epi was awkward and kinda has me giving them a scum lean.

I don't really know dunyas playstyle but she's put a decent amount of effort into working out this interaction, tbh I didn't like much of what she had to say (it wasn't bad but meh) but it's enough for me to town lean her for now lol. And besides that tutuu is obviously town she can never be mafia (as well as contributing a lot so far)

[VOTE: nutella ] aubergine

She mentions Dunya and says that she thinks she's been putting in decent effort, but she doesn't like much of it and that it was meh, but she still townleans her. It's a very odd reason for a townread.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:47 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pm I think nutella knows damn well dunya isn't going to get lynched Day 1, and that hesitation looks phony. [VOTE: dunya] aubergine
my first thought when i saw this was ohhh i buy it. yep. i see why he did that.

but now at reread it's not like that.

if me and nutella are teammates, the hesitation isn't just phony, she's prevoted for who to eliminate this day phase and im pretty sure it isn't me. (even if nutella is actually wolf here, she's not voting me to be the d1 lynch for sure). why would she phony it in with me?

like, i think epignosis should conclude more from that nutella being w than dunya and nutella being w/w. it's very a strange progression. the words make sense, but just not entirely in this game setup.

i dunno if this is some magical distancing strategy from nutella and epi, but wolf epi would have a better reading of the game setup i think so im leaning town there now.

and im not bothered about town epi, cos he is an asset to town and will be able to see town dunya eventually.

i did mind gymnastics to get here. that's a weak ass read dunya, im disappoint.
I didn't really understand the conclusion that you disagreeing with epi means he's more towny

Here she expresses confusion about Dunya's take on Epi. Not that much of note there.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am imo nutella is a fine lynch, I don't like how she is susing people just for voting PSI. I think PSI is town but it seems like a stretch to say mafia just 8ball target someone then push them without reasons, it'd basically out them lol. I also don't like her focus on Dunya and haven't really seen anything towny from her so I'm fine with the lynch.

Tutuu/psi my top towns, I don't really like epi's posting style but looking through his ISO I like his thoughts in response to PSI. So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for

Here she simply mentions that she doesn't like Nutella's focus on Dunya.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:45 am
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:42 am
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:26 pm It's really hard to focus on posting my thoughts when you two are arguing so much tbh

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:44 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:26 pm It's really hard to focus on posting my thoughts when you two are arguing so much tbh
this doesn't feel genuine to me

im not reading the debate between dunya and nutella yet, this just popped out to me

i dont think ive ever been in a situation where im town and found that people making posts and putting stuff itt is distracting for me

i cant imagine it, i cant put myself in someone's shoes and be town and feel this way

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:49 pm I've been trying to post when somebody else is watching TV in the background and I can't go somewhere else, so it's already hard to focus there, and then when I have to click submit 3 times to get my post to go through because of linki it's just really distracting

i don't believe the first post she posted meant what she said in the last post here.

how is it "distracting" when she's already typed up something to post but get's stopped by linki? i don't get how sending a post needs "focus".

just...weird to me.
I can see why it's weird but do you think she makes it up? I think she's given good thoughts regardless and it's a weird thing to make up as mafia

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:56 am
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:49 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for
i don't understand this part. you're ok with voting for low-hanging fruit? who is LHF in this game in your opinion?
I'm generally pretty ok with voting LHF cause I.E. killing a player like epi who seems pretty good will be a lot worse when he flips town compared to someone like Marmot (not offense to him just picking up from the thread he's pretty LHF xd). And I don't have very good reads yet which is mb, but because of that I generally would default to voting someone who's more scummy on average

and on the PSI thing, I guess I can see what you mean by she would make it up as a weird response to pressure as maf. I guess I thought it made sense cause linki is annoying but it wouldn't really change my posts lol

Dunya's mentions of Esooa:

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:12 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:11 am I've been strongly leading a lot of my forum games and it's been really exhausting so kinda hoping to take this one a bit more relaxed but we'll see if I can handle myself not to post 1000 times
i mean sure, but like, give us some indication you're town before you do that?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:20 am y is esooa town tutuu?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:56 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:18 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:20 am y is esooa town tutuu?
I cant write anything more than what i already wrote on her at that time
have you seen competitive esooa as mafia before?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:58 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:06 am tbh I didn't like much of what she had to say (it wasn't bad but meh)
wow rude

this new generation of mafia players need to learn to r e s p e c t my reads :P

what didnt you like about what i had to say tbh?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:01 am GTH reads here we go

Epignosis / t
Esooa / t
Marmot / w
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME / t
nutella / t
PSINightmareEmpower / w
tutuu / t

interesting.

She talks to/about Esooa a little bit, and makes it kind of clear that she's at least null on her, if not scumreading her, but she also puts Esooa as town in her gth.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:12 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:10 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:08 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:06 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:56 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:18 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:20 am y is esooa town tutuu?
I cant write anything more than what i already wrote on her at that time
have you seen competitive esooa as mafia before?
im just going off of what she has told me about herself outside of mafia (before this game) (that shes competitive), and if i were to put myself in her shoes, i decided its probably towny for me if i decided to say that i wanna take it chill this game

anyway i lost confidence in all of my townreads as i said, im waiting for now
hmm, i find people who take a step back from their usual erratic posting style to be mafia-leans to me because it's hard to replicate that carefree posting style as mafia. i can post a lot as town, i can never post as much as mafia simply because i have the game solved. especially in a setup like this one where there's no 3p hunting or second mafia team where i can blend.

Right, this makes sense, but i dont think competitive necessarily equates to erratic posting style or struggling to post as mafia
sure, i'll just watch as see what esooa does. i'll trust you for now.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:42 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:35 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:55 am [VOTE: marmot] aubergine
Dunya i just skimmed over your iso again and i didnt see you saying anything to and about marmot, did i miss it?
no

i just have no reason to townread marmot and psinightmare, everyone else has given me *some* reason.

like nanook is lock town, never rescind.

epi and nutella are a coin flip. i would be very surprised if they were w/w and our jokey day 0 nutella to epi messages will go up in the hall of fame imo.

She states that everyone else has given her some reason to be townread, but the only person she doesn't mention (aside from Tutuu who should be obvious) is Esooa. She never stated what that reason was. Unless that reason is the quote above this one?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:41 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:39 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:29 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:25 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:13 pm her poe now is also bad. i know why i have nanook out of my poe, for example, but why wouldn't her poe include nanook? bad.
Let's just say if Nanook is mafia I'm saving him for later. Like my POE is for today only, if we solve everybody there and need to take a look somebody else Nanook will be in that pool. I have no real reason to push him atm.
why are those three your pool for today then?
While I'd consider you and Nanook to be null, I'm leaning more on the scummy side than the townie side for you, and more on the townie side than the scummy side for Nanook. Nutella's earlier posts (can collect if need) seemed a little odd to me, and Marmot is suspiciously null. Everyone else is townie enough to stay out of the POE.
esooa is town to you?

She questions me about the fact that I townread Esooa, in a tone that implies "why would you have Esooa as town?" which is, again, interesting, because she seemed to have Esooa down as town earlier.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:51 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:49 pm
Yeah, more townie than those in the POE at least. Of course I'd still like some more posts from her, but I wouldn't necessarily want to chop her today.
what places esooa as a town read to you? very curious.

She questions it further. (Removed the quote pyramid since the rest is in the previous quote)

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:28 pm yea my poe still looks like psi, marmot and eso

I feel good about nook.

Here she puts Esooa back in the POE. This whole progression confuses me.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:37 am i dont think nutella is mafia here.

i don't feel good about esooa tbh, she be slanking big time. sometimes it really is >that easy<. at least psinightmare offered some thoughts and i'm indecisive how i feel about the tone. i don't feel great about it, especially the I'm a Big Girl Stop Defending Me, but one thing i didn't buy (i'll quote later and explain).

She does give a little explanation with "she's slanking" though.

There are a couple of posts I won't bother quoting because they can be seen in Esooa's section above.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:02 am [VOTE: esooa] aubergine

kinda /underwhelmed by today's contributions tbh.

She then votes Esooa, and she's the first to do so, which is a pretty good look for her honestly.

Esooa's interactions with Dunya look like they could be w/w. She talks a lot about Dunya's reads, but doesn't seem to give much of a read on Dunya herself. The most she talks to Dunya about is arguing with her about me. Dunya's interactions with Esooa are more interesting. She has a very confusing progression on her, switching from questioning people's townreads on her to implying she townreads her at least a little bit to going back to questioning people's townreads on her, and then voting her. Her unusual progression on Esooa is the weirdest part to me, but she does vote Esooa and is the first to do so, still stating that I'm her first pick and therefore she's a compromise vote. I'm not sure why W!Dunya would push me all day and continue to hardscumread me but also bus her own partner out of the blue for literally no reason. It could happen, but I'm seeing it as unlikely.

There's potential here, but I think there will be more likely suspects.

Esooa/Epignosis

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Esooa's interactions with Epignosis:

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:06 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pm I think nutella knows damn well dunya isn't going to get lynched Day 1, and that hesitation looks phony. [VOTE: dunya] aubergine
my first thought when i saw this was ohhh i buy it. yep. i see why he did that.

but now at reread it's not like that.

if me and nutella are teammates, the hesitation isn't just phony, she's prevoted for who to eliminate this day phase and im pretty sure it isn't me. (even if nutella is actually wolf here, she's not voting me to be the d1 lynch for sure). why would she phony it in with me?

like, i think epignosis should conclude more from that nutella being w than dunya and nutella being w/w. it's very a strange progression. the words make sense, but just not entirely in this game setup.

i dunno if this is some magical distancing strategy from nutella and epi, but wolf epi would have a better reading of the game setup i think so im leaning town there now.

and im not bothered about town epi, cos he is an asset to town and will be able to see town dunya eventually. lean

i did mind gymnastics to get here. that's a weak ass read, im disappoint.
commenting on the nutella/dunya thing, I don't really think apprehension to vote there is as much of a partner interaction as epi makes it out to be. I also just forget to vote sometimes, I don't do it super often but maybe that's just me. But I think the way nutella voted and responded after being called out by epi was awkward and kinda has me giving them a scum lean.

I don't really know dunyas playstyle but she's put a decent amount of effort into working out this interaction, tbh I didn't like much of what she had to say (it wasn't bad but meh) but it's enough for me to town lean her for now lol. And besides that tutuu is obviously town she can never be mafia (as well as contributing a lot so far)

[VOTE: nutella ] aubergine

She makes a small mention of Epi here.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:08 am oh yeah also, epi calling out nutella and me agreeing nutella is scummy makes me want to give him some town cred, but I found it really weird he calls out nutellas behavior then votes dunya for it. I don't really see why you wouldn't just vote nutella cause dunya from his pov is mafia way less unless he thinks that's literally always a partner interaction which, is odd

She says she wants to give Epi towncred for calling out Nutella, but she also finds it weird that he voted Dunya.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:47 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pm I think nutella knows damn well dunya isn't going to get lynched Day 1, and that hesitation looks phony. [VOTE: dunya] aubergine
my first thought when i saw this was ohhh i buy it. yep. i see why he did that.

but now at reread it's not like that.

if me and nutella are teammates, the hesitation isn't just phony, she's prevoted for who to eliminate this day phase and im pretty sure it isn't me. (even if nutella is actually wolf here, she's not voting me to be the d1 lynch for sure). why would she phony it in with me?

like, i think epignosis should conclude more from that nutella being w than dunya and nutella being w/w. it's very a strange progression. the words make sense, but just not entirely in this game setup.

i dunno if this is some magical distancing strategy from nutella and epi, but wolf epi would have a better reading of the game setup i think so im leaning town there now.

and im not bothered about town epi, cos he is an asset to town and will be able to see town dunya eventually.

i did mind gymnastics to get here. that's a weak ass read dunya, im disappoint.
I didn't really understand the conclusion that you disagreeing with epi means he's more towny

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am imo nutella is a fine lynch, I don't like how she is susing people just for voting PSI. I think PSI is town but it seems like a stretch to say mafia just 8ball target someone then push them without reasons, it'd basically out them lol. I also don't like her focus on Dunya and haven't really seen anything towny from her so I'm fine with the lynch.

Tutuu/psi my top towns, I don't really like epi's posting style but looking through his ISO I like his thoughts in response to PSI. So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for

She states that she "doesn't really like Epi's posting style" but she likes his thoughts, which is kind of an unusual read?

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:56 am
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:49 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for
i don't understand this part. you're ok with voting for low-hanging fruit? who is LHF in this game in your opinion?
I'm generally pretty ok with voting LHF cause I.E. killing a player like epi who seems pretty good will be a lot worse when he flips town compared to someone like Marmot (not offense to him just picking up from the thread he's pretty LHF xd). And I don't have very good reads yet which is mb, but because of that I generally would default to voting someone who's more scummy on average

and on the PSI thing, I guess I can see what you mean by she would make it up as a weird response to pressure as maf. I guess I thought it made sense cause linki is annoying but it wouldn't really change my posts lol

She says "killing a player like Epi who seems pretty good will be a lot worse when he flips town". Hmm. This seems to imply she thinks he's towny. He could also be town and this is TMI (when he flips town), but it could just be a regular read. I'm not sure. It is interesting that she chose him of all people to use as an example.

Epignosis's interactions with Esooa:

Epi has...absolutely zero interactions with Esooa. He quotes a single one of her posts in an off-topic discussion, and that's literally it.

Esooa's wishy-washy reads of Epi seem like they fit pretty well with them being partners; however, I'm not sure if Epi is the type to completely ignore his partner itt for all of D1. I would say that these two have great partner equity.

Esooa/Marmot

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Esooa's interactions with Marmot:

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:56 am
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:49 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for
i don't understand this part. you're ok with voting for low-hanging fruit? who is LHF in this game in your opinion?
I'm generally pretty ok with voting LHF cause I.E. killing a player like epi who seems pretty good will be a lot worse when he flips town compared to someone like Marmot (not offense to him just picking up from the thread he's pretty LHF xd). And I don't have very good reads yet which is mb, but because of that I generally would default to voting someone who's more scummy on average

and on the PSI thing, I guess I can see what you mean by she would make it up as a weird response to pressure as maf. I guess I thought it made sense cause linki is annoying but it wouldn't really change my posts lol

The only thing she says about him is that "he's pretty LHF".

Marmot's interactions with Esooa:

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:23 pm Fuck being cagey with reads, dunya/nook dunya/marmot epi/esooa one of those is the team gg
Like you, I can also spew random pairings of players.

PSI/nutella, Epi/dunya, Mac/esooa

^^Them's the possibilities there folks

Mentions Esooa as a possible team with...Mac?? As in, MacDougall??? Idk where that one came from

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:51 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:56 am
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:49 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for
i don't understand this part. you're ok with voting for low-hanging fruit? who is LHF in this game in your opinion?
I'm generally pretty ok with voting LHF cause I.E. killing a player like epi who seems pretty good will be a lot worse when he flips town compared to someone like Marmot (not offense to him just picking up from the thread he's pretty LHF xd). And I don't have very good reads yet which is mb, but because of that I generally would default to voting someone who's more scummy on average

and on the PSI thing, I guess I can see what you mean by she would make it up as a weird response to pressure as maf. I guess I thought it made sense cause linki is annoying but it wouldn't really change my posts lol

I didn't mean it!!!

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:21 pm I'm fine with an esooa chop.

If...

She's not the kinda person mafia would target N0.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:46 pm I don't want to chop myself, that's just where my vote is.

Nanook's logic wert to the nk is flawed. Or at least incomplete. Actually, I'm now realizing what he's saying. Regardless of the flip today, if mafia gets a nightkill, we can learn a lot from the discussion leading up to the vote.

I'm fine with an esooa chop. I don't want to chop myself, but I'm also ok with it. I do think I'm probably the "easiest" misyeet in this game, and something could be learned from it.

That said, I don't have any strong reads currently except for PSI town, so I'm going to stick to the strategy of random voting.

He states twice that he's fine with an Esooa chop, but he never actually voted her.

The two have very few interactions, with one little thing about Marmot being LHF, and Marmot stating that he's fine with an Esooa chop but never actually commiting. I think they'd work pretty well as partners.

Esooa/Nanook

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Esooa/Nutella

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Esooa's interactions with Nutella:

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:06 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pm I think nutella knows damn well dunya isn't going to get lynched Day 1, and that hesitation looks phony. [VOTE: dunya] aubergine
my first thought when i saw this was ohhh i buy it. yep. i see why he did that.

but now at reread it's not like that.

if me and nutella are teammates, the hesitation isn't just phony, she's prevoted for who to eliminate this day phase and im pretty sure it isn't me. (even if nutella is actually wolf here, she's not voting me to be the d1 lynch for sure). why would she phony it in with me?

like, i think epignosis should conclude more from that nutella being w than dunya and nutella being w/w. it's very a strange progression. the words make sense, but just not entirely in this game setup.

i dunno if this is some magical distancing strategy from nutella and epi, but wolf epi would have a better reading of the game setup i think so im leaning town there now.

and im not bothered about town epi, cos he is an asset to town and will be able to see town dunya eventually. lean

i did mind gymnastics to get here. that's a weak ass read, im disappoint.
commenting on the nutella/dunya thing, I don't really think apprehension to vote there is as much of a partner interaction as epi makes it out to be. I also just forget to vote sometimes, I don't do it super often but maybe that's just me. But I think the way nutella voted and responded after being called out by epi was awkward and kinda has me giving them a scum lean.

I don't really know dunyas playstyle but she's put a decent amount of effort into working out this interaction, tbh I didn't like much of what she had to say (it wasn't bad but meh) but it's enough for me to town lean her for now lol. And besides that tutuu is obviously town she can never be mafia (as well as contributing a lot so far)

[VOTE: nutella ] aubergine

She expresses suspicion of Nutella, and votes her.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am imo nutella is a fine lynch, I don't like how she is susing people just for voting PSI. I think PSI is town but it seems like a stretch to say mafia just 8ball target someone then push them without reasons, it'd basically out them lol. I also don't like her focus on Dunya and haven't really seen anything towny from her so I'm fine with the lynch.

Tutuu/psi my top towns, I don't really like epi's posting style but looking through his ISO I like his thoughts in response to PSI. So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for

She again says that Nutella is the best chop option.

Nutella's interactions with Esooa:

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:23 pm Fuck being cagey with reads, dunya/nook dunya/marmot epi/esooa one of those is the team gg

Says she thinks Epi/Esooa is a team possibility.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:06 pm hi

im ~fine with an esooa chop i guess

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:16 pm [VOTE: esooa] aubergine

ugh dont feel great about this eod and I also really have to get some work done

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:04 pm the consensus on esooa does wig me out a little

She says she's okay with an Esooa chop and votes, but states quite a bit of hesitation to go through with it because of how quickly and easily the wagon developed.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:37 pm epi/esooa was one of my very legitimate team guesses i think it works

And finally she reenforces her theory about Epi/Esooa being the team.

I would say there's a very low chance these two are the team. Esooa votes Nutella rather early on and has no hesitation about it, while Nutella shows wishy-washy-ness after voting, which I honestly don't think would be necessary in a bussing situation. I also townread Nutella independently of this. So yeah, I'd probably chop Nutella last out of all the players (except maybe Tutuu).

Esooa/Tutuu

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Esooa's interactions with Tutuu:

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am imo nutella is a fine lynch, I don't like how she is susing people just for voting PSI. I think PSI is town but it seems like a stretch to say mafia just 8ball target someone then push them without reasons, it'd basically out them lol. I also don't like her focus on Dunya and haven't really seen anything towny from her so I'm fine with the lynch.

Tutuu/psi my top towns, I don't really like epi's posting style but looking through his ISO I like his thoughts in response to PSI. So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for

She simply states that Tutuu is one of her top towns.

Tutuu's interactions with Esooa:

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:03 am I think dunya, esooa and PSI are towny

Dunya for aforementioned (is this the word?) reasons + her new posts now which i like, esooa for her being chill and i believe her, she is a very competitive person, PSI i just liked her wall post, i think those reads were reasonably not-the-easiest to fake as scum for most ppl. Also i still cant get over the fact that she said shes very sorry for laying low that was just so adorable and i wanna squish her

She states that she thinks Esooa is town here.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:06 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:56 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:18 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:20 am y is esooa town tutuu?
I cant write anything more than what i already wrote on her at that time
have you seen competitive esooa as mafia before?
im just going off of what she has told me about herself outside of mafia (before this game) (that shes competitive), and if i were to put myself in her shoes, i decided its probably towny for me if i decided to say that i wanna take it chill this game

anyway i lost confidence in all of my townreads as i said, im waiting for now

She explains it to Dunya a little bit, but also states that she lost all confidence in her townreads.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:04 am [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

sheeping dunya

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:13 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:17 pm [VOTE: esooa] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:03 pm i think nanook might be having fun in these v/v/v/v/v/v/v wagons

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

but cfds probably not good

so back to [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

She votes Esooa, then switches to Nutella, and then switches back to Esooa, then jokevotes(?) Nanook and switches back to Esooa in the same post.

I...guess they could be partners? But it's very hard for me to not look at this through the lens of Tutuu being town. I feel like Tutuu shows a certain kind of wishy-washy-ness wrt Esooa that mafia wouldn't really bother with, especially if thread consensus isn't changing at all regarding said partner. But again, having trouble seeing Tutuu as anything but town.

I would say Epi and Marmot look the worst from this, and they're also in my POE, so I would definitely chop them first. Maybe Dunya after that.

Also this took me absolutely forever to write, so I think my brain needs a break now.

DUDE

I was not expecting this outcome

This is so great

Def gonna try and do some analysis tonight, but right now I don't really have the time.

Mmkay, I'd love to stay and answer questions or whatever, but I don't really have time right now and likely won't be around right for EoD. If I'm still alive during N1, I'll try to answer some questions and stuff. But for now, I think I'm just going to

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

All righty, I'm the only one without a vote on the board, and I won't have a whole lot of time to be around tomorrow before EoD, so I think it's about time I try to figure out who to vote for.

If anyone has a townread on one of the people in my POE, please walk me through your thought process there. I really want to look at things from every angle and make the right decision.

For now though, I'm going to bed. G'night y'all.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:58 am
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:14 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:30 pm PSI has a very clam demeanor.
May I ask why you decided to point this out? Were you trying to imply something with this comment?
It's an observation. I don't have any implications. I've never played with you before, and it's something I noticed and felt the desire to post.

Why do you think I'm trying to imply something here?

I don't know, I wondered if you thought it was odd that I was calm for whatever reason.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:15 am
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:14 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:30 pm PSI has a very clam demeanor.
May I ask why you decided to point this out? Were you trying to imply something with this comment?
Probably that you needed to come out of your shell.

*Massive eyeroll*

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:30 pm PSI has a very clam demeanor.

May I ask why you decided to point this out? Were you trying to imply something with this comment?

tfw you're not the leading wagon anymore but the leading wagon is now your second highest tr

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:20 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:27 pm Oh yeah, also I read my own ISO for fun, and damn, I thought I'd posted more significant stuff than that. Jeez. I really need to stop trying to post when there's TV in the background, maybe it'll help me get the stuff in my head to go into the thread.
You could just turn the tv off

But I

It's my family watching TV

I don't wanna make them turn off the TV just so I can focus on mafia

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:05 pm PSI do you think something like epi/tutuu is possible?

I know a bunch of people tried to answer this question for me and explain why it's a silly question but imma answer it anyway

Yes, there could potentially be a world where that's the case. But that would require my top townread to be mafia, and honestly I'd rather chop literally everyone else before I chop Tutuu, so if that's the team I fully accept my defeat lol

Oh yeah, also I read my own ISO for fun, and damn, I thought I'd posted more significant stuff than that. Jeez. I really need to stop trying to post when there's TV in the background, maybe it'll help me get the stuff in my head to go into the thread.

Tutuu
Nutella
Nanook
Esooa
Epignosis
Marmot
Dunya

Dunya:

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Epignosis:

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Esooa:

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Marmot:

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Nanook:

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Nutella:

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Tutuu:

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Right now I'm working off of the mindset that I was the mafia's target. The way the thread has developed makes sense around that mindset. So I'd say one of Dunya or Epi is probably mafia. If Dunya is mafia, her tunnel is an...interesting strategy, to say the least, so that alone makes me think it's less likely to be Dunya if I'm the target. But if I'm the target, Epi being mafia makes perfect sense, with the slight push on me on N0 and later voting me, and if I flip and mafia gets a NK most of the blame would go on Dunya and it wouldn't look that bad for Epi. So in that world, Epi seems the most likely one to be mafia.

My POE is now Dunya/Epignosis/Marmot. Don't think I'd vote outside of that.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:36 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:29 pm All righty, I'm back and there is no TV to distract me this time, I also have plenty of time so I think I'm going to do some serious work. Not going to bother answering any of the questions unless they're still relevant after I rethink my reads.
Do you like shepherds pie?

Found this in your ISO, somehow I missed this

Yes, but not exactly traditional shepherd's pie; the one my family always ate is mashed potatoes with ground beef and kidney beans. I've had the traditional kind before, but I don't really like it as much.

Guys I'd prefer to handle this by myself, I'm a Grown Up Mafia Player now (maybe) I should be able to defend myself from suspicion by now

Besides, pressure is good. It helps me grow. I need to learn how to react to it

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:42 pmI said the bolded because I didn't want someone to be like "hey PSI are you gonna answer my question" when after updating my reads the question isn't even going to matter.

*Might not matter. I don't know for sure the question won't matter but it might not is what I mean

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:36 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:29 pm All righty, I'm back and there is no TV to distract me this time, I also have plenty of time so I think I'm going to do some serious work. Not going to bother answering any of the questions unless they're still relevant after I rethink my reads.
i am unfamiliar with u so im sorry if im wrong

but i think the bolded sentence is scummy

how do i say this ... i feel like its a scummy thing to explain what do you plan to do before you do it

its not always scummy but i feel like ive seen scum often dedicate more effort than town in "following protocol" and like, explaining what they plan to do in so much detail. i think its a towny thing to not explain that much what do u plan to do

[VOTE: PSI] aubergine

sorry if wrong, id feel bad cuz i dont know u and it sucks when u dont know someone and u wrongly scumread them for being their normal selves

Reason I said that is because I keep quoting questions and trying to answer them in a way that makes sense, and then not being able to formulate an answer, so then I just give up. I'm pretty sure the problem is with my reads and not anything else, which is why I'm going to work on reworking my reads. I said the bolded because I didn't want someone to be like "hey PSI are you gonna answer my question" when after updating my reads the question isn't even going to matter.

All righty, I'm back and there is no TV to distract me this time, I also have plenty of time so I think I'm going to do some serious work. Not going to bother answering any of the questions unless they're still relevant after I rethink my reads.

Oh yeah, already forgot about that lol

Super intense thread atmospheres give me anxiety

But this Nutella/Dunya thing isn't really the same

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:47 pm Naw that tracks 100% for PSI and is NAI imo

Curious what you mean by this though

Did I say something like that last game I played? I don't remember doing that

I've been trying to post when somebody else is watching TV in the background and I can't go somewhere else, so it's already hard to focus there, and then when I have to click submit 3 times to get my post to go through because of linki it's just really distracting

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:41 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:39 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:29 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:25 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:13 pm her poe now is also bad. i know why i have nanook out of my poe, for example, but why wouldn't her poe include nanook? bad.
Let's just say if Nanook is mafia I'm saving him for later. Like my POE is for today only, if we solve everybody there and need to take a look somebody else Nanook will be in that pool. I have no real reason to push him atm.
why are those three your pool for today then?
While I'd consider you and Nanook to be null, I'm leaning more on the scummy side than the townie side for you, and more on the townie side than the scummy side for Nanook. Nutella's earlier posts (can collect if need) seemed a little odd to me, and Marmot is suspiciously null. Everyone else is townie enough to stay out of the POE.
esooa is town to you?

Yeah, more townie than those in the POE at least. Of course I'd still like some more posts from her, but I wouldn't necessarily want to chop her today.

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