The Syndicate

i'm still in [1] terror mode. will probably write a ton on this over the next several days.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:59 pm Thanks to my team and especially Ran for the carry, sorry for falling asleep and then getting wagoned

still could not have done it without you <3 so many traps so much synergy

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:55 pm In particular, I thought I was being helpful trying to figure out the pairings but that could've ended up costing the game. I feel like unanticipatable elements like that aren't fun. Still, I think the balance was fair otherwise.

We had the pairings figured out in wolf chat (and in my chat with jack) pretty long ago, there was just nothing indicating on some of them.

The game did have a lot of unanticipatable elements, that was actually our biggest complaint on wolfside as well, more on that later yeah.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:45 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:43 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:41 pm that pocket was warm af ty for checking no issues to report o7

jack's the one who I would send immediate dance party experience to

oh y'all don't even know

i kept up the act with jack in our private chat ALL THE WAY TO THE END. my reporting of our chat was genuine, the only things i made up were right at the very end, he was actually gone throughout the evening and never suspected wilgy.

in other news you have graced me with two gifts

a manic pyxxy town game and a pyxxy missed EOD game

these will come in handy

also

my lowest point in this entire game was when you came into that day raring and suspecting me. i thought i was so unbelievably dead, the whole game was just over and i was just going to go antispew and have rondo start bussing, because yeah you were spot on... and then you hit one of the banana peels.

do not feel bad about that. you did great.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:41 pm I'm not an easy player to pocket. That said, I often find it difficult to fight against thread momentum. I was considering Ranmilia for the entire phase, the NK results and pairing analyses heavily pointed in that direction, but never had the opportunity/confidence to really push it

ye you were getting there, i indeed did not have any answer to "why aren't you going rondo?"

the gira kill was... pretty much forced by the unfortunate eod. killing him made me look awful, leaving him alive would likely be worse. i think. i very very heavily considered leaving him alive and going for the "i totally would have killed you" play, i wonder if it would have worked. but we were forced to make one of our kills in home thread anyway and gira was just the best target by all reasonable measures.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:41 pm that pocket was warm af ty for checking no issues to report o7

jack's the one who I would send immediate dance party experience to

oh y'all don't even know

i kept up the act with jack in our private chat ALL THE WAY TO THE END. my reporting of our chat was genuine, the only things i made up were right at the very end, he was actually gone throughout the evening and never suspected wilgy.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:36 pm If the "if one partner dies they both die at endgame" mechanic was revealed to the wolves, I really think the town should have had this information too. Just saying.

Also, what was Bereft's role?

it was not explicitly revealed to us. only that we could achieve a win if we voted out a living town/town pair. I was and still am not entirely sure what would have happened if a town/wolf was voted out.

We were uh. flying pretty blind and worked very hard to compile information and find Wilgy as the exact target we could win on.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:35 pm I do kind of regret barring everyone from quoting the previous threads in this merge. I didn't want it, because it seemed antithetical to *the point of the game* (and the theme), but it probably would have been more fair if I'd have just allowed that.

I liked the no quoting. my brain is fried. i had and will have more detailed balance feedback but for later.

@☆Princess Abigail☆ @pyxxy @robyn @Jackofhearts2005 @WindwardAway

As you now know I played this game in a very targeted pockety way... to you fine folks in particular I apologize profusely for any mental distress this has caused. You played well. Do not blame yourselves or feel shame. Ingame is ingame, out of game is out of game, and everything I said about out of game stuff holds true, I wish you all the best and it was a pleasure to get to know you better. If you need to vent or would like to talk to me about anything, I understand and am open for it.

Our immediate wincon on the final day was to vote out a town whose pairing was also town. However, we did not know leetic and tedxtr's pairings, so from our perspective they were a 50/50 to win on the spot whereas Wilgy was the sole town we knew was a guaranteed win. We could also have punted on Alexy or Abigail for the two day but that seemed risky with people closing in hard on Rondo/Ran. Shoutouts to Cape for spending the entire work thread's accumulated towncred to blatantly push Wilgy over.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm Good job to @Gira for getting the correct solve

Absolutely. Gira and Dizzy in particular had incredibly accurate solves, which is precisely why we had to discredit them and shout them down to such a degree. At many, many points I felt like Gira singlehandedly rendered the game unwinnable for us; this proved not to be the case but. y'all do not even know how lucky we got. we played hard and well but we also got SO FREAKING LUCKY.

This was by far the hardest mafia experience of my life. Our mafia team was miraculous. The town was also miraculous and played extremely hard and extremely well. I am sorry to all of the town who were deceived, especially the ones who had negative experiences at times. I hope everyone still enjoyed the game overall and take our performance as just that -- a grand theatre show.


i will have more detailed comments later if wished for but for now


“If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumbered here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yielding but a dream,
Gentles, do not reprehend:
If you pardon, we will mend:
And, as I am an honest Puck,
If we have unearned luck
Now to 'scape the serpent's tongue,
We will make amends ere long;
Else the Puck a liar call;
So, good night unto you all.
Give me your hands, if we be friends,
And Robin shall restore amends.”
― William Shakespeare, A Midsummer Night's Dream

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

it's not alexy. therefore. voting with town.

if i had to guess i would say leetic and if there's another on our side rondo atp but i don't know and i don't have time. if this is losing i'm sorry i messed this game up.

@Cape90 @potentialsheltervet how confident are you in this? i don't have time to do more and jack's advice is to vote with you two

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:41 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:40 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:35 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:34 pm Family's going ham so I'm distracted and in and out. Jack is a staunch believer in one of the watcher claims always being a wolf (we are not in full agreement on this) but also says his wilgy faith is shaken.

what do you mean "his wilgy faith" by what?

the thing earlier where wilgy did some vca and wanted abi and said "ran resolves against abi"

we are in agreement that abi is town and think that was a very sketch thing to say

If you are really in agreement that Abby, me, and you presumably are town, why aren't you going after RDB/ted? You seem a bit boxed in that regard

because i do not share your apparent playstyle or assumptions about the game and you keep saying suspicious and aggravating things and not reading my posts. with love. <3

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:35 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:34 pm Family's going ham so I'm distracted and in and out. Jack is a staunch believer in one of the watcher claims always being a wolf (we are not in full agreement on this) but also says his wilgy faith is shaken.

what do you mean "his wilgy faith" by what?

the thing earlier where wilgy did some vca and wanted abi and said "ran resolves against abi"

we are in agreement that abi is town and think that was a very sketch thing to say

Family's going ham so I'm distracted and in and out. Jack is a staunch believer in one of the watcher claims always being a wolf (we are not in full agreement on this) but also says his wilgy faith is shaken.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:49 pm Okay question for the nighties: what's the most parsimonious explanation? Like, assuming no bussing of TSP, who's wolfiest? I think I gathered TSP got voted by RDB and Abi (?) and was trying to get a wagon on RDB, maybe?

Assuming no bussing, it'd be ted. Voted TSP early d1 but then turned around and townread him, didn't vote TSP eod2, barely ever mention each other.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:22 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:18 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:06 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:56 pm Like what world are you even pursuing if Abby is town Ranmilia? Something like tedxtr/RDB?

I'm not thinking in any of those terms. I'm looking for who is the most behaviorally likely individual to be a wolf that we should vote out today. I feel like we're approaching the game with very different fundamental assumptions. Or you're a wolf, but Jack keeps telling me this is how you play as town.

Do you or do you not think our thread started with three wolves?

I do not know and I make no assumptions about it at this point. I think two is possible, I think Bereft wolf is possible, I think one or more lone wolves who don't know the main team are possible. I think unclaimed town PRs are possible. I think imbalanced sides are possible. I think mirrored roles are possible - I know I just said one in ted/alexy but that's not based solely on them having similar claims and I'm not 1000% married to it, just seems very likely when I consider all the factors including behavior and reads.

If Bereft's a wolf, why did they die? Why would a town PR not claim in what is basically MiLo? Why would mirrored roles be possible when there's only "evidence" of one? All of this seems more like an excuse to not have to think about the game as a whole.

A. no idea, many possible reasons
B. also many possible reasons ranging from "doesn't see utility in claiming" to "forbidden from claiming on pain of modkill as part of their role"
C. why would they be impossible?

You're right about that last though, this is just going back and forth, even if you are town we're not going to convince each other. :/

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:06 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:56 pm Like what world are you even pursuing if Abby is town Ranmilia? Something like tedxtr/RDB?

I'm not thinking in any of those terms. I'm looking for who is the most behaviorally likely individual to be a wolf that we should vote out today. I feel like we're approaching the game with very different fundamental assumptions. Or you're a wolf, but Jack keeps telling me this is how you play as town.

Do you or do you not think our thread started with three wolves?

I do not know and I make no assumptions about it at this point. I think two is possible, I think Bereft wolf is possible, I think one or more lone wolves who don't know the main team are possible. I think unclaimed town PRs are possible. I think imbalanced sides are possible. I think mirrored roles are possible - I know I just said one in ted/alexy but that's not based solely on them having similar claims and I'm not 1000% married to it, just seems very likely when I consider all the factors including behavior and reads.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:56 pm Like what world are you even pursuing if Abby is town Ranmilia? Something like tedxtr/RDB?

I'm not thinking in any of those terms. I'm looking for who is the most behaviorally likely individual to be a wolf that we should vote out today. I feel like we're approaching the game with very different fundamental assumptions. Or you're a wolf, but Jack keeps telling me this is how you play as town.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:32 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:19 pm

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:53 pm @Ranmilia pyxxy is asking whether you think leetic could be a role cop with X amount of shots. He's saying that leetic may be stalling with IIOA to see what others do.

it's possible I guess? That's an oddly specific callout, if they're mafia they could be anything. even a boat. i guess it is slightly likely because of the "correct" track results, but the way they did their "reaction test" d3 left the door open and... let everyone else correct them if the callout was incorrect. which, admittedly is kinda sus.

not thrilled with leetic's posting today either. being hyperfocused on pairings and pushing stuff like "this person fits the most pairings so they are most likely wolf" is quite wolfy aaaaaand a vote on abi huh

that ain't it chief.

here's the deal. at least one of leetic and ted's claims are bogus. at least one of ted's and alexy's claims are bogus. ALL of these people are sketching me out. alexy, oddly enough, the least, i do believe the pyxxy contact is genuine from what they're saying.

abi is the one (active) player i'm confident here is not a wolf atp, and since i arrived at that conclusion this morning, suddenly feels like a ton of people popped out of the woodwork to say "no no abi is sus let's go abi here!" (by a ton i mean like three but context here. yknow.) (also i don't think psv and cape are likely wolves but they're Not Appearing In This Day so, mwaf)

Why isn't Abby a wolf? They have the least towny things going for them right now

Friend, did you read my posts from this morning where i went over this? Have you looked at TSP's iso? Abigail and TSP are not partnered, unless they pursued a masterpiece theatre plan in which TSP attempts to draw attention to her and hard bus her and somehow fails, while she approaches me in a way I have not seen a wolf dare to do in over a decade and then does nothing with it but appear uninformed.

She is unpaired with TSP, which is the most important pairing at all, and behaviourally town which is the most important factor. We're looking for wolves here, that is, people who are on a team with TSP and have knowledge of who is and is not mafia. You're repeating the "least things going for her" line like you're trying to speak it into existence as a truism- why? What exactly are you considering when you say that?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:42 am PoE: Ted/Abigail>Alexy>Leetic/Ran

Rondo resolves against Ted.

Ran Resolves against Abigail.

This is the way.

what exactly does this "resolves against" mean?

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:53 pm @Ranmilia pyxxy is asking whether you think leetic could be a role cop with X amount of shots. He's saying that leetic may be stalling with IIOA to see what others do.

it's possible I guess? That's an oddly specific callout, if they're mafia they could be anything. even a boat. i guess it is slightly likely because of the "correct" track results, but the way they did their "reaction test" d3 left the door open and... let everyone else correct them if the callout was incorrect. which, admittedly is kinda sus.

not thrilled with leetic's posting today either. being hyperfocused on pairings and pushing stuff like "this person fits the most pairings so they are most likely wolf" is quite wolfy aaaaaand a vote on abi huh

that ain't it chief.

here's the deal. at least one of leetic and ted's claims are bogus. at least one of ted's and alexy's claims are bogus. ALL of these people are sketching me out. alexy, oddly enough, the least, i do believe the pyxxy contact is genuine from what they're saying.

abi is the one (active) player i'm confident here is not a wolf atp, and since i arrived at that conclusion this morning, suddenly feels like a ton of people popped out of the woodwork to say "no no abi is sus let's go abi here!" (by a ton i mean like three but context here. yknow.) (also i don't think psv and cape are likely wolves but they're Not Appearing In This Day so, mwaf)

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:47 am some more from pyxxy.

Apparently earlier in the game Abi had been masoning Rondo, so turning on him now is suspicious. Perhaps an attempt to take advantage of the Rondo wagon previous cycle. My not knowing about the masoning should be evidence that this is indeed coming from Pyxxy. He also suggests (although I can't tell if it was a suggestion to me or to everyone) that folks reread the game in which Abi spewed something about Rondo town framing. Paraphrasing is hard when you don't know what they're talking about lmao

can you ask like... the name of the game in question? not sure I understand this.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:47 am Now, my holdup here that is a problem this game is that I'm by no means a mechanical player.

Does anyone see or can point out to me exact points of mech contention between players and why?

I assume they exist between Ted/Alexy? Does Leetics present one as well?

The relevant claims are as such:

Alexy claims 2 shot watcher (no additional stipulations)
- n1 PSV, saw scotty, scotty apparently confirmed going to PSV (can you/someone from work thread check the order on this though? who claimed first?)
- n2 Long Con, saw no one visiting

Ted claims 2 shot watcher that "cannot see kills"
- n1 attempted Macdougall, was roleblocked (by WWA who confirmed this and flipped)
- n2 WWA, saw no non killing visits (WWA was nightkilled)

Leetic claims 3 shot tracker (no additional stipulations)
- n1 Bereft, visited no one
- n2 attempted Ted, claims roleblocked/no feedback?
- n3 Abigail, visited no one

also relevant here is:
WWA flipped 2 shot roleblocker
- n1 confirmed in thread that she blocked ted
- n2 she died, did not claim a target in the day, allegedly also did not claim when she was in work thread with Long Con?

... which all adds up to a pile of not helpful. Nothing in any of this is confirmed except possibly alexy seeing scotty, if alexy claimed it first.

Ted/leetic have put forth various arguments for their credibility but they are based on setup spec and circumstantial evidence, nothing actually confirmable or conflicting.

TSP not having the "ran could always be powerwolfing" reaction was a big clue he was off. i'll attempt a review of TSP stuff that stood out to me, for the other thread peeps and general review.

very early on when people were looking at the signup thread and predicting two threads, TSP the wolf spoketh thus: "wolves in nutella brad monroe scotty in the other thread, based on nothing whatsoever"

these are now all flipped, brad (lime coke) wolf the other three town. something something salad, eat your heart out.

randomly said "we're about to chop rondo, right" when rondo subbed in, and then somewhat later voted WWA and said "i convinced myself against the leetic vote" which I have marked as ?!?!?! because it was pretty out of nowhere no "leetic vote" going on at that time. shortly thereafter he gives his reasoning, in a major post that i wish i could quote, saying bereft (the current de facto wagon) was a "limp" and "rand" chop, and asking who in the game "should know better". but also then saying voting bereft looked "slightly towny". and he ends up saying abi and pyxxy are "the standard d1 chops that don't have votes" and pushing towards them.

he talks about leetic quite a lot but never really gives a hard stance. he talks about tedxtr almost none.

then there's a bit where he's talking about dizzy and i voting each other, dizzy accuses him of trying to set up a "must be one in ran/dizzy" dichotomy and he denies this and flees. he ends up voting robyn, calling it going with the flow, and says "ted is not a good choice" when ted and rondo are fighting.

he is absent or lurking at the actual eod1. on day 2, he claims he would have left his vote off wagon on dizzy or abigail if he had been present, then says dizzy looks good and abi looks bad, doubles down on attacking abi, then starts flailing and pushing back when people start pushing him.

when asked for five chops to solve the game, shortly after announcing illario is in his head, he says "dizzy rondo bereft ran and abigail narrowly over ted before leetic asks." then adjusts this to "rondo abi bereft dizzy is a two wolf group on wagonomics" - rondo being his counterwagon at the time

and that's about when the push on him really takes off and the serious takes end, he leaves his vote on rondo and does not post in the last hourish.

but also not that terrifying. so i went back over TSP with flips since then. i'm not sure i can repost my notes because they contain some quotes. wish the rules on that were clearer.

abi is ~90% not with TSP and it has been a true hot minute, by which i mean decade+, since anyone tried to sidle up to me the way she has. the combination of these two things makes me... probably as confident as i'm ever going to get at this point. if you're a wolf goddess you got me.

and also kinda terrifying

is this how vibe readers always play

it's so freeing

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:15 am So am I a wolf?

no

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:03 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:54 am no you're not
the older students are consistently the best

Hope so... I'm finally pursuing my dream...I got talked out of it when I was a teenager and failed out of school doing things I didn't care about cause everyone kept telling me my dream was dumb

chase your dreeeeam fam

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:02 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:51 am mac told me not to townread you though. that's a little scary. but that you just drop that like you take for granted that mac townread you is. something.

jack otoh is telling me to chill and things are okay and we should just kill the more sus watcher claim and go from there.

... he did not elaborate on which watcher claim was more sus.

our thread probably overposted and that hurt us. def hurt me. wish the work thread peeps would talk more though. i miss night shift.

Did he? Oops I thought he town read me lol

no you're not
the older students are consistently the best

mac told me not to townread you though. that's a little scary. but that you just drop that like you take for granted that mac townread you is. something.

jack otoh is telling me to chill and things are okay and we should just kill the more sus watcher claim and go from there.

... he did not elaborate on which watcher claim was more sus.

our thread probably overposted and that hurt us. def hurt me. wish the work thread peeps would talk more though. i miss night shift.

same and same...

dw about colleges though. it'll be fine. they're not scary.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:02 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:30 am or... take a nap. THEN fire ze missiles.

I can't I'm at work and I didn't sleep yesterday cause I'm stressed as fuck

ancient meme reference don't worry about it



i should be interrogating you here but i don't know what to ask that would help.

how would you have played differently if you were a wolf this game?

or... take a nap. THEN fire ze missiles.

then fire ze missiles

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:49 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:35 am hOI i'm back. parents are visiting. depending on what they want to do i will either be around a lot or not at all... might miss eod, might also just stay up all the way to then, i dunno, whee.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:16 am

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:04 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:48 pm @Alexy where would you vote right now?

Likely ted based on private conversation with pyxxy and the contradictory description of their role as mentioned by leetic

The problem, though, is that if ted is a wolf Windward and I are the only town PRs on my side. Given that your side seems to have quite a few, I'm not sure how believable that is.

i would not advocate reading into PR numbers here.

@Alexy What else has pyxxy been saying?

Pyxxy has said that he believes in you. Also, that mechanical actions performed on one thread appear to have an effect on both threads (I think that's been widely accepted already, but I suppose he wants to remind us) - the TSP kill from your thread is apparently evidence of this. Feel free to ask anything specific if you're worried I'm not relaying his (paraphrased) words!

Sorry for requote - what does he think of your thread from his time there, and what does he think of Abi rn?

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:49 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:35 am hOI i'm back. parents are visiting. depending on what they want to do i will either be around a lot or not at all... might miss eod, might also just stay up all the way to then, i dunno, whee.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:16 am

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:04 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:48 pm @Alexy where would you vote right now?

Likely ted based on private conversation with pyxxy and the contradictory description of their role as mentioned by leetic

The problem, though, is that if ted is a wolf Windward and I are the only town PRs on my side. Given that your side seems to have quite a few, I'm not sure how believable that is.

i would not advocate reading into PR numbers here.

@Alexy What else has pyxxy been saying?

Pyxxy has said that he believes in you. Also, that mechanical actions performed on one thread appear to have an effect on both threads (I think that's been widely accepted already, but I suppose he wants to remind us) - the TSP kill from your thread is apparently evidence of this. Feel free to ask anything specific if you're worried I'm not relaying his (paraphrased) words!

Well, thanks for the relayed vote of confidence. Is this talking about just the phantom votes, or something else?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:49 am Wasn't Ranmilia pushing for one in Bereft/Made or something similar? Granted, I was pushing for one in pyxxy/Made

Indeed I was, and I still don't believe Bereft was town.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:54 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:35 am i would not advocate reading into PR numbers here.

Why? It doesn't seem particularly balanced for there to be such a huge disparity in PR numbers. Then again, maybe that's why the other thread was doing better

Also, I would take anything "pyxxy" says with a grain of salt, he cannot corroborate anything and if Alexy was lying about what he said he'd have no recourse but to scream into BTSC

True but it can tell us things about alexy, which seems important.

hOI i'm back. parents are visiting. depending on what they want to do i will either be around a lot or not at all... might miss eod, might also just stay up all the way to then, i dunno, whee.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:16 am

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:04 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:48 pm @Alexy where would you vote right now?

Likely ted based on private conversation with pyxxy and the contradictory description of their role as mentioned by leetic

The problem, though, is that if ted is a wolf Windward and I are the only town PRs on my side. Given that your side seems to have quite a few, I'm not sure how believable that is.

i would not advocate reading into PR numbers here.

@Alexy What else has pyxxy been saying?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:52 am i guess, for whatever reason, there's a chance bereft was a 3p that doesn't reveal upon flip and wolves don't actually have a janitor, but it's just extremely lol for it to be the case

at least fmpov i had no idea why tf my role would be a thing, but when bereft came up as janitored it instantly clicked for me that yes, my role would indeed have utility if there's a wolf janitor. so im much more likely to believe he was janitored

hope that answered your question cuz im not sure what you were asking lol

it... answers enough for now, yeah, thanks.

Morning Jack is here, we're chatting. He is of the opinions that:

A. Rondo is a wolf

and B. of the innie/work thread, everything has proceeded according to his view of the game so far, Alexy is suspicious and Cape/Wilgy/PSV all look very good in his eyes.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:16 am if nothing makes sense about my claim, how come you’re not pushing me?

tbf i don't think a lot of the claim talk makes sense either. I've been letting it go for reasons and because we don't know what happened with Bereft and I thought ted townslipped yesterday but. it may be time to dig into it. can you lay out for the class from your perspective what you believe has happened, and why you claim it clears you?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:02 am I townread nobody in that group tbh lol

not even yourself
the proest of strats

@☆Princess Abigail☆ @tedxtr @RondoDimBuckle so above is seen

i've definitely mucked this game up. sorry for that.

things are not as bad as they look though.

abi/ted/rondo if you're around, i need y'all to work with me and solve in worlds where i am town.

abi/ted both say rondo. abi thinks rondo/ran, ted thinks rondo/?, leetic is on rondo/abi.

rondo says ??? possibly me?

this is the current state of things as i understand it.

at least one of abi/ted/rondo is also town. my job today is to find them. (probably only one, i was holding out hope for scenarios where bereft was a wolf and 2 wolves dead in both threads triggered the merge but realistically it's more likely 3p shenanigans.)

So to the group of abi/ted/rondo: who do you townread out of that group and why?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:56 am if rondo’s a wolf im spewed clear tho, best pray for that

and overnight i was p confident gira was also a villa and was really confident going into lunchlo, but oh well

the entire poe voted for made fmpov, so rondo looks bad

where's your head at exactly?