The Syndicate

The only thing I did this game was not have time to post much D1 and SOMEHOW correctly call Alison a LW on day 1 (I still have no idea how I did that). I got carried super hard, thanks guys.
GG.

You're not allowed.

I'd like to form a voltron with nutella, Sloonei, Alison, and TSP.

Funnygurl still voting for No Yeet is unfortunately >rand town unless she does this stupid stuff as mafia too.

TSP is voting a dead person.
But I guess it means that he was on LC's wagon when LC complained about his wagon, which is a good look for him.

Having done this, I find it really suspicious that Mac instantly went "LC spewed everyone but Syn and Vulgard town, let's kill Syn and Vulgard." Really feels like a bad-faith opportunistic push and I hate it.
I'd like to focus on Mac after we get Poison.

I'll just post as I go.

Pretty sure that him agreeing with Sloonei that I'm mafia points toward Sloonei being town. I find it hard to believe that LC would openly align himself with mafia!Sloonei this early and this quickly. Happily jumping on the suspicion on me feels like it should spew me town, from the mindset of "haha, easy target to poke at!", but I guess it's still possible that was distancing.

He also kinda agrees with Alison's scumread on me. He's doing lots of agreeing with scumreads on me. It feels like he's following the threadflow. Not sure if he would do that when a partner is getting heat early. Nothing was stopping him from deflecting onto someone else. Hint hint.

That said, he does later say something to the effect of "we will see," so he has not DECIDED yet whether I am mafia or not. But it's notable how easily he went "haha Vulgard mafia I agree!" I think this might also spew Alison town, for similar reasons as Sloonei.

Defending Syn. I don't really find it AI for Syn.

The post where he votes Sloonei is an even better look for Sloonei.

Interactions with Poison feel VERY W/W. Neither of them is really trying to suspect the other, nor are they trying to openly townread the other. When they interact, there is no attempt to solve each other that I can see. They talk about some previous games and about being happy to meet each other in this game. It's like they already know the other's alignment in their minds.

More defending of Syn. Feels like whiteknighting, but I could see that being distancing. "Also, it's Syn's first game on the site, so it would be especially predatory for them to dive on together." Better look for Syn.

Defending Marmot as well. LC defends plenty of people I would say are "easy targets to push" in this game. I don't think he would whiteknight all of them as mafia. Looking primarily at Syn/Marmot here (sorry if me calling you that offends you).

To be fair, he does randomly shade Marmot right after defending him, which is a better look for Marmot.

Scumread on TSP is very, very random. It almost looks like distancing, but I townread TSP independently. Could just be random shade.

"Also, can you guys maybe not vote for me? Why do I have votes?"

Not sure if there's a way to check the LC wagon at the time, but this post probably says that most, if not all, people that were voting him at the time are likely town. Could potentially give us an additional clear.

Noting that LC slowly shifts into "scumreading Poison" after the threadflow goes in that direction, instead of progressing his read on her by himself. He doesn't really push Poison very hard, either. He did something similar with me earlier, and then he promptly forgot about me after the thread shifted away from me. Both these pushes were most likely in bad faith, and what differentiates the push on Poison from the push on me is that he didn't really try to solve Poison's alignment for over 10 pages, until he was forced to. For me, he instantly decided I'm mafia, then backtracked and... forgot about it?

It feels more like he slowly leaned into pushing on Poison when he really did not want to, meanwhile it came very easy for him to push on me before forgetting about me as a target. I think this says that Poison's pretty likely mafia.

I'm also noting the random shade on Mac at the end, but it's nowhere near enough to say that Mac's spewed town as a result.

Conclusions:

Syn/Marmot might contain 1 mafia based on how LC decided to defend/WK both (and shade one).
Poison is very likely mafia, which aligns with my independent read on her. Kill Poison today.
Alison and Sloonei (and nutella) are certainly town based on LC spew and other factors. Pretty sure he spewed me town as well.
Interaction with TSP is very weird but doesn't really point me in either direction. Same with the Mac interaction.

Don't need to change my vote.

Alright, great job.
Sloonei and nutella are pretty clearly town to me at this point. I did tell you that Sloonei was solvy in a non-bad-faith way, now you can probably see it.
Nutella dayvigged a mafia. Locktown, reevaluate maybe in LyLo but I doubt she lives that long if town.
More confident about TSP being town now as well.

I'll go into LC spew, too. A part of me doesn't like Mac being like "everyone but Syn and Vulgard is mafia based on LC spew" because that seems like a cop-out response and could possibly lead to chainyeets on town. It feels like he tried to push agenda immediately following his partner kicking the bucket.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:06 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:03 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:03 pm We're at three "second votes being placed on someone" from vulgard now

And that matters... why? What do you think this means about my alignment? Or Alison's alignment, or Poison's?
This comment looks really random. Why does this matter to you?

It feels like you don't know where to go. You make big long posts with every vote, don't say anything about them, then switch your vote later after not getting any traction. That's wolfy but it might also be "I'm in a game where I've played with three people and I don't have Arete" and I need to find some footing. I think it disaligns you and Alison, says nothing else.

I literally just said that I never know what I'm doing on day 1, so that's really not AI in and of itself.
I think my vote on Poison pretty much follows my thoughts about her (it also wasn't influenced by Alison's post in the slightest, although it's comforting to be on the same wagon as my townread). The vote on Marmot was a pressure vote that lost its meaning as soon as I learned that Marmot always selfvoted regardless of everything.

Do you know where to go? Is your vote on LC OMGUS?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:39 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:38 am #124 This is not alignment indicative for me, I always do this.

#153 Mostly the posts about me.

#165 Very aubergine.

I honestly don’t understand what’s happening in the thread. It feels like everyone is just doing their own thing (e.g. shitposting / talking about out-of-game stuff). Which is not exactly unusual, but it makes it hard to find mafia.

Alison has really, really leveled up since I first expressed my dislike of her posts. I currently think she’s way more likely town than I did before.

Poison is weird this game. She seems a bit… muted. The preflip in post #299 is also very, very odd. It seems to imply that Syn is town and one of me/Alison is mafia voting Syn, which is a bold assumption to make and possibly indicative of TMI. I know it is thrown out as some kind of “hot take,” but it still feels awful to me.

Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much.

#345 I literally caught you on that last game.

#350 Is another one of Syn’s takes which I hate. What do you mean, “town for flooding?”

I like what Tony’s doing.

I also think Mac’s towny. Can’t really explain why, though.

I think I’m sitting on something like Sloonei, Mac, TSP, Alison town, Poison and Syn sketchy. Marmot maybe town based on a snapread.

This is... certainly bold

Bold how?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:03 pm We're at three "second votes being placed on someone" from vulgard now

Isn't your vote on LC the second vote as well, come to think of it?

I need to learn how to use mentions here.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] this should work. Why are you voting Mac?

@Sloonei Have you explained why you're voting Mac at any point?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:03 pm We're at three "second votes being placed on someone" from vulgard now

And that matters... why? What do you think this means about my alignment? Or Alison's alignment, or Poison's?
This comment looks really random. Why does this matter to you?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:43 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Actually think I agree with this.

This post and vote is so bad that idk makes me scum read you more.

That's some clunky distancing, you guys.

Maybe

1. Pretty sure Alison's town.
2. If Alison's apparently a good wolf, I'd assume her distancing would be better than this.

What do you think?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:23 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:18 am ...Wait. Why's Marmot selfvoting?

Why are you Marmotvoting?

Because I want Marmot to do something other than selfvote, although I suppose that me saying that now defeats the purpose of my vote.

Meh.

I'm not sure what to do about Poison. I'm in a weird situation here. I think her play this game has been close to her mafia play... in an off-site game I read, but NOT the last game I played with her here, when she was mafia and fooled me. I dislike the fact her reads seem rather forced, and she seems to be struggling to find her footing in this game. The biggest thing going for her right now is postcount, because it shows that she is not afraid of voicing her thoughts, but there hasn't really been anything in her posts that made me think "this must come from town." I'm also more paranoid of her scumgame after the last game we played.

Alison is town, because I think that her thought processes not only make perfect sense, but show a lack of TMI. I might be severely underestimating her scumgame, but I think the complexity of her thoughts would be difficult to replicate as mafia. I think that if she were mafia trying to fake these thoughts, the thoughts would make less sense. But what she is saying is cohesive, I understand where she is coming from (for the most part), and she is being fairly consistent. I wrote that I did not like her early townread on Long Con, and she mostly ignored it in a way I also found very towny. There is just this air of stubbornness and confidence around Alison which I really could hardly see as coming from mafia.

TSP is town because he's actually solving in this game and he wasn't really solving in his last one. Or at least, some of his posts looked like he was solving, which is a notable improvement in comparison to the last mafia game I have seen from him. That said, the read is getting weaker, because I'm starting to see him shift back to his "I do not actually care about solving" approach. I also find the lack of shitposting very odd. Could potentially be mafia overcompensating for how I caught him last game...?
For now, I think the differences are notable enough, and I think he still deserves a townread, but I can see a world where he's mafia trying to appease me specifically, since I caught him last game and got nightkilled right after. I didn't have 100% confidence in my last game read, but it was correct, and it makes sense for mafia!TSP to play specifically in a way to fool me here. Although, maybe I'm overestimating my potential impact.
I'm getting sidetracked. The conclusion here is that I'm still fairly confident TSP is town, but I do see a singular world where he's mafia. I don't really think he's mafia, though.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

I'm not going to get anything from Marmot if they always selfvote like this. Would still like to see more than a selfvote, though.

By the way, @Enrique; how new are you to the game? Or did you already say it and I missed it? There's a read I have on you which only applies in case you answer in a specific way. I'm not saying what it is yet.

...Wait. Why's Marmot selfvoting?

I'd like to hear the take on nutella specifically, because he posted about it and seemed to immediately change his mind after. I'm not sure what prompted the change. I read that segment a few times and don't really understand the thought process.

I'm not sure what to think about Mac. I like his aggressive pop-ins, but this feels like the type of thing he could do as mafia as well.
Would like to see him provide something more than that.

Alison scares me.
Alison is town.
This is not the way I get scared by mafia powerwolfing.
I'm not sure if I agree with the TSP read, but the way she plays scares me.
I know. Great read.

Thanks forum for sending this twice, I only clicked once.

#124 This is not alignment indicative for me, I always do this.

#153 Mostly the posts about me.

#165 Very aubergine.

I honestly don’t understand what’s happening in the thread. It feels like everyone is just doing their own thing (e.g. shitposting / talking about out-of-game stuff). Which is not exactly unusual, but it makes it hard to find mafia.

Alison has really, really leveled up since I first expressed my dislike of her posts. I currently think she’s way more likely town than I did before.

Poison is weird this game. She seems a bit… muted. The preflip in post #299 is also very, very odd. It seems to imply that Syn is town and one of me/Alison is mafia voting Syn, which is a bold assumption to make and possibly indicative of TMI. I know it is thrown out as some kind of “hot take,” but it still feels awful to me.

Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much.

#345 I literally caught you on that last game.

#350 Is another one of Syn’s takes which I hate. What do you mean, “town for flooding?”

I like what Tony’s doing.

I also think Mac’s towny. Can’t really explain why, though.

I think I’m sitting on something like Sloonei, Mac, TSP, Alison town, Poison and Syn sketchy. Marmot maybe town based on a snapread.

#124 This is not alignment indicative for me, I always do this.

#153 Mostly the posts about me.

#165 Very aubergine.

I honestly don’t understand what’s happening in the thread. It feels like everyone is just doing their own thing (e.g. shitposting / talking about out-of-game stuff). Which is not exactly unusual, but it makes it hard to find mafia.

Alison has really, really leveled up since I first expressed my dislike of her posts. I currently think she’s way more likely town than I did before.

Poison is weird this game. She seems a bit… muted. The preflip in post #299 is also very, very odd. It seems to imply that Syn is town and one of me/Alison is mafia voting Syn, which is a bold assumption to make and possibly indicative of TMI. I know it is thrown out as some kind of “hot take,” but it still feels awful to me.

Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much.

#345 I literally caught you on that last game.

#350 Is another one of Syn’s takes which I hate. What do you mean, “town for flooding?”

I like what Tony’s doing.

I also think Mac’s towny. Can’t really explain why, though.

I think I’m sitting on something like Sloonei, Mac, TSP, Alison town, Poison and Syn sketchy. Marmot maybe town based on a snapread.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:12 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:09 pm [VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I checked again and they have done nothing within their five posts. These posts were all spent on talking about themselves, their first post was a comment about the OP (which is not really game-related and is unlikely to out you as mafia when you talk about it as mafia), and they come across as trying to seem relaxed in the thread. Which is probably why they are spending so much time on "settling in."

I liked nutella's start, but I have some respect for their wolfgame, so I'm not going to pull an Alison and make a weakly supported solid townread on her out of nowhere.

what kind of opportunistic hogwash is this

Of course my posts are going to talk about me when I was responding to someone specifically asking me about my play style. Bro what

I also seem to recall Alison doing something similar. What stopped you from calling her comment "opportunistic hogwash?"

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:14 pm actually my first real read is that vulgard is fishing 'cause look at their read on alison too

you're gonna need more to catch alison as a wolf she's a goat

What do you mean by "fishing?"
And I don't know that. I haven't seen Alison play at all.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:12 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:09 pm [VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I checked again and they have done nothing within their five posts. These posts were all spent on talking about themselves, their first post was a comment about the OP (which is not really game-related and is unlikely to out you as mafia when you talk about it as mafia), and they come across as trying to seem relaxed in the thread. Which is probably why they are spending so much time on "settling in."

I liked nutella's start, but I have some respect for their wolfgame, so I'm not going to pull an Alison and make a weakly supported solid townread on her out of nowhere.

what kind of opportunistic hogwash is this

Of course my posts are going to talk about me when I was responding to someone specifically asking me about my play style. Bro what

I don't like making this comparison, but I just used one post for it and moved on. That's not really what happened with you.
Meh. I know this isn't a great read, but it's something.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:43 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:27 pm i'm bummed 'cause both mikey and thesunfan rejected me and didn't join this game so i'm alone and that eerily resembles my real life but like it's fine though

we shall WIN THE GAME

You’re not alone, we’ll solve this game together fgal!

What’s nutella’s alignment?

she seems nice and is a mod so i'ma say lawful good

anyways we're polar opposites so i'ma deliver the hot™ take that no one thought they needed and say you're a WOLF
got 'em

I mean, posts like this one. This just looks like a really forced joke, and I'm not sure why it exists. "Haha, I'm so random?" Or "Haha, look, I'm relaxed and harmless!"
I'm leaning toward the second.

Not really feeling Funnygurl's posts either. They feel too shitposty. Like, not in a way that comes from town. Does she always do that?

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I checked again and they have done nothing within their five posts. These posts were all spent on talking about themselves, their first post was a comment about the OP (which is not really game-related and is unlikely to out you as mafia when you talk about it as mafia), and they come across as trying to seem relaxed in the thread. Which is probably why they are spending so much time on "settling in."

I liked nutella's start, but I have some respect for their wolfgame, so I'm not going to pull an Alison and make a weakly supported solid townread on her out of nowhere.

I think somebody said I'm a Champs player. I'm not. I was a backup for the qualifier, and that's it.

I don't like Alison's thin read on Long Con, I don't think it's reasonable to townread him for such a thing this early.

I like Sloonei, though. I like how he's already hardcore solving, and he's doing that in a way which doesn't come across as forced.
To answer his question -- I'm honestly not sure how to answer it at this point, because my playstyle tends to be pretty fluid. I usually try to find mafia and/or town through macro reads, and when I want to push a mafia, I case them, like I did last game. This means that I am invariably stumbling around blind on day 1 and only later developing the ability to find people's alignments with higher confidence.

TL;DR Focus on macro reads, gets better as the game goes on, usually.

Oh yeah, hi TSP, Poison, LC. The others I haven't played with yet, but I'm looking forward to it.
Will get back here when there's stuff to work with.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:47 am Four players start the game out of the thread. They are players in the game and there is a mechanic for them to join the thread. They may not vote or be voted for until they are in the thread. They cannot be targeted by normal means until they are in the thread.

That's... well, I've never seen that before. Was it ever a thing in a previous game on this website?

Hello everyone!
Feels nice to play here again. Maybe I'll even live past N2 this time.
Will probably be less active early on, unfortunately.