The Syndicate

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:18 pm Not sure if really real or just paranoia fucking with me lol

The Grumple wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:43 pm just to clarify, for the 9th time, because I'm sure one of us will be dead tomorrow unless the doctor strikes true, it's Gramps and Burns right?

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:48 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:39 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:34 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:18 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:14 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:03 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:59 am

The Grumple wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:52 am @Mr. Burns who is gramps partner? is it me, krusty, or jass

I dunno. If Jass somehow makes it to F3 I'd have to think it could be him I guess. Kinda surprised to see him alive now. He's the only one left with any energy and the wolves should have killed him even though Skinner was a lock town. If they skip him again they'd have to be wifom crazy I think.

So we chop Grampa and assuming we're right about him...which yesterday's lie-a-pallooza says we are...then Hugh dies and it's you, me, and Krusty at F3 and both of you wanna kill me.

Hey Hugh, are you the Doc, or are these two gonna be doc counterclaiming on me at F3 to add to my troubles?

Why is it surprising if you say at least one of my read is wrong? Can't I be here because of it and especially because I have some energy and would be vocal?

I'd have outed D4 if I were as I asked the Doc to come out.

I figured they would kill you and low key pump your legacy rather than leaving you alive to keep running the game...loose cannon. Talking to you I feel like I have at least a thread of a chance...Skinner would have vote posted and dipped and left me arguing with your legacy.

So that's why you didn't kill me? Got him

LOL...you already had me, remember? Like I said, I'm too tired to fight you. If I was a wolf I'd MUCH rather fight your legacy with a bunch of low energy players. You think if you were dead I couldn't just thread flood and dominate the narrative here? I'm only worn out because I'm town and Allison buried me so deep there is no way out.

Try to find some energy and towncase yourself. Also maybe case your third pick

The Grumple wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:18 am burns fishing for information about power role information is a bad look

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:18 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:14 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:03 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:59 am

The Grumple wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:52 am @Mr. Burns who is gramps partner? is it me, krusty, or jass

I dunno. If Jass somehow makes it to F3 I'd have to think it could be him I guess. Kinda surprised to see him alive now. He's the only one left with any energy and the wolves should have killed him even though Skinner was a lock town. If they skip him again they'd have to be wifom crazy I think.

So we chop Grampa and assuming we're right about him...which yesterday's lie-a-pallooza says we are...then Hugh dies and it's you, me, and Krusty at F3 and both of you wanna kill me.

Hey Hugh, are you the Doc, or are these two gonna be doc counterclaiming on me at F3 to add to my troubles?

Why is it surprising if you say at least one of my read is wrong? Can't I be here because of it and especially because I have some energy and would be vocal?

I'd have outed D4 if I were as I asked the Doc to come out.

I figured they would kill you and low key pump your legacy rather than leaving you alive to keep running the game...loose cannon. Talking to you I feel like I have at least a thread of a chance...Skinner would have vote posted and dipped and left me arguing with your legacy.

So that's why you didn't kill me? Got him

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:03 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:59 am

The Grumple wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:52 am @Mr. Burns who is gramps partner? is it me, krusty, or jass

I dunno. If Jass somehow makes it to F3 I'd have to think it could be him I guess. Kinda surprised to see him alive now. He's the only one left with any energy and the wolves should have killed him even though Skinner was a lock town. If they skip him again they'd have to be wifom crazy I think.

So we chop Grampa and assuming we're right about him...which yesterday's lie-a-pallooza says we are...then Hugh dies and it's you, me, and Krusty at F3 and both of you wanna kill me.

Hey Hugh, are you the Doc, or are these two gonna be doc counterclaiming on me at F3 to add to my troubles?

Why is it surprising if you say at least one of my read is wrong? Can't I be here because of it and especially because I have some energy and would be vocal?

I'd have outed D4 if I were as I asked the Doc to come out.

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:00 am I didn't lie tho

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:53 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:49 am Man it is hard to get up for this.

Gramps is bad. But killing him just drags on the game into an F3 where whoever id left alive joins the wolf in killing me no matter who they are...and I don't even think I'll know who the wolf is then. Game has been...not my best, to say the least.

At least the wolves finally killed Skinner, but that makes me wonder why? I honestly just can't even tinfoil Hugh...but that leaves the wolves laughing at his reads winning the game for them. I don't have the energy to fight you Hugh.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

GTH who is the third?

The Grumple wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:52 am @Mr. Burns who is gramps partner? is it me, krusty, or jass

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:22 pm This has been a long fucking phase

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:21 pm Grumple is always town here

The Grumple wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:15 pm deep breaths

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:49 pm

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:32 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:11 pm

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Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:25 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:37 pm

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Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:16 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:11 am Burns isn't even trying to push her elimination or defend himself, he's passively ok with this and shading me in the process with "y'all letting Hugh decide bla bla". They prefer his death over her because then she's just going to run with the narrative of Hugh tried to eliminate me before him so he's his partner which is bullshit since I went for Burns first before Skinner insisted on her, and then the wagon consolidated. Switching is destabilizing and basically letting them control the narrative.

As I already told you earlier, Burns flip doesn't matter since there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. She's saying I did something that I didn't so she's lying. Magically she's the only one that noticed it, also she followed me apparently even though that pinged her and there was some fuckery going. Just think for one fucking second about what she accused me of if it make any sense whatsoever. Her switch alongside Burns and Grampa, the two other people she says are Mafia, saved fucking Burns lol.

So yeah solve between her and me now 'cause I'm not doing this shit again

I'm not shading you. I am pissed about everyone letting you decide, because we're gonna lose. Me getting mischopped at LYLO (not necessarily the first LYLO, but eventually) has been the theme of this entire game. Right down to the saving me at EoD escapade to get me to F7. I'm passive because we've lost. You are so dialed in on "I have the team" that I can't talk to you. We're gonna spike Alison, finally, which is great...but she doesn't even care.

She is fucking with you, yes. Outright lying about this vote shifting; sure. She's just needling you to keep you focused. You have declared the whole team, and when her low lying packmates kill you tonight our "leader" Principle Skinner is going to follow your legacy straight down the line. You are creating the environment where Alison's victory is inevitable and the two of you are going to be watching it together from DVC and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing I can do about it.

Here's the thing...Alison and I figured out after a number of unfortunate confrontations that we just can't read each other so we can't trust each other...unless we get wolves. Kinda like Otto and Krusty, when we got through three days without a dead wolf I looked at Alison and said "you gotta go." And she should have been saying the same thing about me. She didn't because she knows I'm town. I didn't because I had no power...the bad chops and the way everyone dying at night sussed me meant there was nothing left of me but a mountain of suspicions and I had no power to do anything...even save myself really. If Allison hadn't pulled off the last minute shenanigans I'd have just died, and truthfully that would probably have been better because now I'm at LYLO and I see no way to avoid getting mischopped.

I'm finally gonna get a pelt...but of course Allison has managed to make herself so obvious now that everyone is on board for this. The only active players left are you and me, and you are going to die leaving as your final legacy "do not listen to Burns, just kill him." That's that, really.

I mean feel free to talk to me, you haven't engaged me at all nor have you engaged anyone else. I've engaged the other person I have on that team since they tried but it didn't go anywhere since the timeline they're talking about doesn't fit. If they witnessed Alison switch, Krusty would have been leading so their switch and spiciness make no sense. They actually saved their alleged strongest target.

You haven't showed this mistrust of her at all. You didn't though, when we went through 3 days without a dead wolf you were fence sitting between Krusty and Otto, and had no intention of solving her. Bart and I fought against that narrative and had her against the ropes with less than half an hour left. The vote was tied, if you had any intention of eliminating her you would have joined us there. Same with your self pres, you showed no instances of wanting to survive which makes me think you knew what was going down as it was coordinated already at the time. Alison entertained Bart and I's CFD plans, you invited with post 1887.

Your conclusions after the shenanigans of EoD4 aren't natural from a town PoV. You immediate switch onto Alison locking her as a wolf, and then mention that from that PoV, I'm her likely partner. That makes no sense. If we're together we got you tied up with Krusty. If he's our partner, he can self preserv. If he isn't, we don't care about the rand. Why aren't you trying to figure out why she switched at that moment outing herself? You were tied with Krusty, was it to save him? If so, wouldn't you solve him first? This is something you even said in post 1645 in regards to pre flip association, ironically enough about a scenario involving the both of them.

The EoD shenanigans look different from different points of view, and that's a fact. My view comes from "pretty resigned to dying here" and watching for a move from Grampa because I expected him to do something. Had no case on Allison, so really all I could do earlier was go along with "a wolf in Krusty/Otto and try to stay on the other side and see how it went. If we had gotten down to the end strokes there I would have learned Allison was wolfing a little cleaner and maybe been able to do something with the knowledge.

Unexpectedly, I got wagoned and had to look more for just not getting chopped...or at least making sure that my town flip didn't implicate the wrong people.

So, yeah, maybe from my POV things weren't as easy to follow as they were from yours.

When the day started I was all in on Allison and expecting her to go all in for mischopping me. My first read on this whole "lying about the movement" spat was that it was some sort of weird distancing thing. That moved you abruptly from my top town read into Allison co-conspirator tinfoil territory and I am genuinely sorry for that. I can't honestly say that I saw the same movements as either of you. I saw Grampa move and I moved...and at my next look Allison was there too. So I dunno.

What I do know is that every night kill in this game made zero sense...other than it removed the strong voices and made me look worse.

I can tell you that is classic Allison play, up to and including her saving me at F9 because I provide her with her surest course to the win. I see basically no way I avoid three chops in a row here, so we have been beaten and that's a fact...from my POV.

Instead of waiting for a glimmer of hope from someone that hasn't been present at all, and has missed previous EoD, why didn't you engage the players in the thread to try to not get chopped? And I'm sorry but I just can't buy the whole angle of expecting Grampa to be present a minute before EoD just because he's from the forum he's from lol.

That's a pretty quick move, especially after the EoD we just had. What was your first read on the late switching itself? Wait Grampa moved before you, and Alison after you? That's not what he's saying. What do you make of that?

GGWP I guess

I make of that basically the same thing you make of Allison. Gramps is her partner. I already accepted that. I might even be able to push that through and get to F3 before I get mischopped, and boy oh boy am I excited at that prospect.

As to engaging the people in the thread...up to the point the EoD was final I really didn't know who the wolves were. Watching votes move at EoD is probably my most relied on way to identify wolves, so I was more watching. And watching is...challenging here. That's not a complaint or a slight to the site, it just is part of the environment.

Who's the third? And lol

Weren't you seeing Bart and I in a better light than most of the players in the thread? Especially since we were the ones mostly trying to move away from the consensus and solve.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:11 pm

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Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:25 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:37 pm

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Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:16 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:11 am Burns isn't even trying to push her elimination or defend himself, he's passively ok with this and shading me in the process with "y'all letting Hugh decide bla bla". They prefer his death over her because then she's just going to run with the narrative of Hugh tried to eliminate me before him so he's his partner which is bullshit since I went for Burns first before Skinner insisted on her, and then the wagon consolidated. Switching is destabilizing and basically letting them control the narrative.

As I already told you earlier, Burns flip doesn't matter since there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. She's saying I did something that I didn't so she's lying. Magically she's the only one that noticed it, also she followed me apparently even though that pinged her and there was some fuckery going. Just think for one fucking second about what she accused me of if it make any sense whatsoever. Her switch alongside Burns and Grampa, the two other people she says are Mafia, saved fucking Burns lol.

So yeah solve between her and me now 'cause I'm not doing this shit again

I'm not shading you. I am pissed about everyone letting you decide, because we're gonna lose. Me getting mischopped at LYLO (not necessarily the first LYLO, but eventually) has been the theme of this entire game. Right down to the saving me at EoD escapade to get me to F7. I'm passive because we've lost. You are so dialed in on "I have the team" that I can't talk to you. We're gonna spike Alison, finally, which is great...but she doesn't even care.

She is fucking with you, yes. Outright lying about this vote shifting; sure. She's just needling you to keep you focused. You have declared the whole team, and when her low lying packmates kill you tonight our "leader" Principle Skinner is going to follow your legacy straight down the line. You are creating the environment where Alison's victory is inevitable and the two of you are going to be watching it together from DVC and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing I can do about it.

Here's the thing...Alison and I figured out after a number of unfortunate confrontations that we just can't read each other so we can't trust each other...unless we get wolves. Kinda like Otto and Krusty, when we got through three days without a dead wolf I looked at Alison and said "you gotta go." And she should have been saying the same thing about me. She didn't because she knows I'm town. I didn't because I had no power...the bad chops and the way everyone dying at night sussed me meant there was nothing left of me but a mountain of suspicions and I had no power to do anything...even save myself really. If Allison hadn't pulled off the last minute shenanigans I'd have just died, and truthfully that would probably have been better because now I'm at LYLO and I see no way to avoid getting mischopped.

I'm finally gonna get a pelt...but of course Allison has managed to make herself so obvious now that everyone is on board for this. The only active players left are you and me, and you are going to die leaving as your final legacy "do not listen to Burns, just kill him." That's that, really.

I mean feel free to talk to me, you haven't engaged me at all nor have you engaged anyone else. I've engaged the other person I have on that team since they tried but it didn't go anywhere since the timeline they're talking about doesn't fit. If they witnessed Alison switch, Krusty would have been leading so their switch and spiciness make no sense. They actually saved their alleged strongest target.

You haven't showed this mistrust of her at all. You didn't though, when we went through 3 days without a dead wolf you were fence sitting between Krusty and Otto, and had no intention of solving her. Bart and I fought against that narrative and had her against the ropes with less than half an hour left. The vote was tied, if you had any intention of eliminating her you would have joined us there. Same with your self pres, you showed no instances of wanting to survive which makes me think you knew what was going down as it was coordinated already at the time. Alison entertained Bart and I's CFD plans, you invited with post 1887.

Your conclusions after the shenanigans of EoD4 aren't natural from a town PoV. You immediate switch onto Alison locking her as a wolf, and then mention that from that PoV, I'm her likely partner. That makes no sense. If we're together we got you tied up with Krusty. If he's our partner, he can self preserv. If he isn't, we don't care about the rand. Why aren't you trying to figure out why she switched at that moment outing herself? You were tied with Krusty, was it to save him? If so, wouldn't you solve him first? This is something you even said in post 1645 in regards to pre flip association, ironically enough about a scenario involving the both of them.

The EoD shenanigans look different from different points of view, and that's a fact. My view comes from "pretty resigned to dying here" and watching for a move from Grampa because I expected him to do something. Had no case on Allison, so really all I could do earlier was go along with "a wolf in Krusty/Otto and try to stay on the other side and see how it went. If we had gotten down to the end strokes there I would have learned Allison was wolfing a little cleaner and maybe been able to do something with the knowledge.

Unexpectedly, I got wagoned and had to look more for just not getting chopped...or at least making sure that my town flip didn't implicate the wrong people.

So, yeah, maybe from my POV things weren't as easy to follow as they were from yours.

When the day started I was all in on Allison and expecting her to go all in for mischopping me. My first read on this whole "lying about the movement" spat was that it was some sort of weird distancing thing. That moved you abruptly from my top town read into Allison co-conspirator tinfoil territory and I am genuinely sorry for that. I can't honestly say that I saw the same movements as either of you. I saw Grampa move and I moved...and at my next look Allison was there too. So I dunno.

What I do know is that every night kill in this game made zero sense...other than it removed the strong voices and made me look worse.

I can tell you that is classic Allison play, up to and including her saving me at F9 because I provide her with her surest course to the win. I see basically no way I avoid three chops in a row here, so we have been beaten and that's a fact...from my POV.

Instead of waiting for a glimmer of hope from someone that hasn't been present at all, and has missed previous EoD, why didn't you engage the players in the thread to try to not get chopped? And I'm sorry but I just can't buy the whole angle of expecting Grampa to be present a minute before EoD just because he's from the forum he's from lol.

That's a pretty quick move, especially after the EoD we just had. What was your first read on the late switching itself? Wait Grampa moved before you, and Alison after you? That's not what he's saying. What do you make of that?

GGWP I guess

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:13 pm

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Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:21 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:09 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:37 pm
I mean feel free to talk to me, you haven't engaged me at all nor have you engaged anyone else. I've engaged the other person I have on that team since they tried but it didn't go anywhere since the timeline they're talking about doesn't fit. If they witnessed Alison switch, Krusty would have been leading so their switch and spiciness make no sense. They actually saved their alleged strongest target.

hi hugh

i think you're wrong but don't have enough of a grasp on the EOD layout to be able to definitively say how (beyond me not being a wolf and thus it is impossible for me to be part of the wolf trio)

one thing that keeps coming to mind is that if you're right, there would've been no reason for your supposed confirmed wolf trio to have outed themselves if only allison switching would've forced a krusty mischop

why would all three wolves out themselves to mischop otto if only one possible outing was needed for a krusty mischop

Sup Gramps

The layout was pretty clear.

Krusty: You, Burns, Otto
Burns: Bart, me, Alison
Otto: Krusty

Alison switching makes it 3v2v2. You say you noticed this, so I'll ask again. Why did you switch at this point as this has Krusty getting chopped?

I've asked myself that same question since all the switching saved Krusty as well, but it's all just a bunch of wifom and for every thought behind a motivation there is a counter one. Mafia doesn't always make the best of choices. Could also be for this exact reason of saying Mafia wouldn't out themselves like that. One thing for sure is that the whole movement wasn't a coincidental, happened at a lightning pace and looks very much so coordinated. One dude not caring about self preserving earlier, one dude missing in action and coincidently voting a minute before EoD and Alison lol.

You say you're town, and that Burns is town. Who's a wolf then?

I can't see why I would switch if Krusty was in the lead, which is why I think you're wrong

and I still can't get over the idea that in your layout, there is zero reason for your proposed trio to collectively switch to Otto. There is just no gain

Allison and Krusty wolves fo sho

The third... I have no clue.

Dude, you've been scum reading me since the start, and had Otto as a TR from the start...but then switched votes last second at EoD onto Otto with your scum buds at literally the last second to save Burns. Too funny.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:37 pm

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Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:16 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:11 am Burns isn't even trying to push her elimination or defend himself, he's passively ok with this and shading me in the process with "y'all letting Hugh decide bla bla". They prefer his death over her because then she's just going to run with the narrative of Hugh tried to eliminate me before him so he's his partner which is bullshit since I went for Burns first before Skinner insisted on her, and then the wagon consolidated. Switching is destabilizing and basically letting them control the narrative.

As I already told you earlier, Burns flip doesn't matter since there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. She's saying I did something that I didn't so she's lying. Magically she's the only one that noticed it, also she followed me apparently even though that pinged her and there was some fuckery going. Just think for one fucking second about what she accused me of if it make any sense whatsoever. Her switch alongside Burns and Grampa, the two other people she says are Mafia, saved fucking Burns lol.

So yeah solve between her and me now 'cause I'm not doing this shit again

I'm not shading you. I am pissed about everyone letting you decide, because we're gonna lose. Me getting mischopped at LYLO (not necessarily the first LYLO, but eventually) has been the theme of this entire game. Right down to the saving me at EoD escapade to get me to F7. I'm passive because we've lost. You are so dialed in on "I have the team" that I can't talk to you. We're gonna spike Alison, finally, which is great...but she doesn't even care.

She is fucking with you, yes. Outright lying about this vote shifting; sure. She's just needling you to keep you focused. You have declared the whole team, and when her low lying packmates kill you tonight our "leader" Principle Skinner is going to follow your legacy straight down the line. You are creating the environment where Alison's victory is inevitable and the two of you are going to be watching it together from DVC and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing I can do about it.

Here's the thing...Alison and I figured out after a number of unfortunate confrontations that we just can't read each other so we can't trust each other...unless we get wolves. Kinda like Otto and Krusty, when we got through three days without a dead wolf I looked at Alison and said "you gotta go." And she should have been saying the same thing about me. She didn't because she knows I'm town. I didn't because I had no power...the bad chops and the way everyone dying at night sussed me meant there was nothing left of me but a mountain of suspicions and I had no power to do anything...even save myself really. If Allison hadn't pulled off the last minute shenanigans I'd have just died, and truthfully that would probably have been better because now I'm at LYLO and I see no way to avoid getting mischopped.

I'm finally gonna get a pelt...but of course Allison has managed to make herself so obvious now that everyone is on board for this. The only active players left are you and me, and you are going to die leaving as your final legacy "do not listen to Burns, just kill him." That's that, really.

I mean feel free to talk to me, you haven't engaged me at all nor have you engaged anyone else. I've engaged the other person I have on that team since they tried but it didn't go anywhere since the timeline they're talking about doesn't fit. If they witnessed Alison switch, Krusty would have been leading so their switch and spiciness make no sense. They actually saved their alleged strongest target.

You haven't showed this mistrust of her at all. You didn't though, when we went through 3 days without a dead wolf you were fence sitting between Krusty and Otto, and had no intention of solving her. Bart and I fought against that narrative and had her against the ropes with less than half an hour left. The vote was tied, if you had any intention of eliminating her you would have joined us there. Same with your self pres, you showed no instances of wanting to survive which makes me think you knew what was going down as it was coordinated already at the time. Alison entertained Bart and I's CFD plans, you invited with post 1887.

Your conclusions after the shenanigans of EoD4 aren't natural from a town PoV. You immediate switch onto Alison locking her as a wolf, and then mention that from that PoV, I'm her likely partner. That makes no sense. If we're together we got you tied up with Krusty. If he's our partner, he can self preserv. If he isn't, we don't care about the rand. Why aren't you trying to figure out why she switched at that moment outing herself? You were tied with Krusty, was it to save him? If so, wouldn't you solve him first? This is something you even said in post 1645 in regards to pre flip association, ironically enough about a scenario involving the both of them.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:11 am Burns isn't even trying to push her elimination or defend himself, he's passively ok with this and shading me in the process with "y'all letting Hugh decide bla bla". They prefer his death over her because then she's just going to run with the narrative of Hugh tried to eliminate me before him so he's his partner which is bullshit since I went for Burns first before Skinner insisted on her, and then the wagon consolidated. Switching is destabilizing and basically letting them control the narrative.

As I already told you earlier, Burns flip doesn't matter since there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. She's saying I did something that I didn't so she's lying. Magically she's the only one that noticed it, also she followed me apparently even though that pinged her and there was some fuckery going. Just think for one fucking second about what she accused me of if it make any sense whatsoever. Her switch alongside Burns and Grampa, the two other people she says are Mafia, saved fucking Burns lol.

So yeah solve between her and me now 'cause I'm not doing this shit again

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:48 am Begone wolf

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:45 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:40 am

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:39 am None of this is going to change my opinion of either of you. Stop arguing. Dig through posts and determine Allison's teammates.

Dude YOU are Allison's team mate apparently, at least from where I'm standing.

Who is the tracker?

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:40 am

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:39 am None of this is going to change my opinion of either of you. Stop arguing. Dig through posts and determine Allison's teammates.

Dude YOU are Allison's team mate apparently, at least from where I'm standing.

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:39 am None of this is going to change my opinion of either of you. Stop arguing. Dig through posts and determine Allison's teammates.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:04 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:02 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:54 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:34 pm obviously something shady happened but there are 4 votes on Otto. My concern is that Allison might be clean and the other 3 not.

She isn't. Read the fucking end of day, a townie never switches there. The switch happened in matters of second and it's so obvious that it was orchestrated in private with how quickly it happened.

She's also lying about me switching to Otto. I never did so if you think the team is Krusty/Burns/Grampa and you trust me, I'm telling you she's 100% bad.

This is such a bullshit assumption.

I was watching for movement because I was looking to self pres. I figured Gramps would move, because CFCers are always probing at EoD. He did, and I self pressed...I wanted Krusty more than Otto, but I sure as hell wasn't gonna die over it. Your whole "oh it was a big conspiracy" stinks just as much as Allisons "oh it was Hugh, it's a big conspiracy" stinks.

Lolol Grampa was missing in action the whole day, and didn't post at all. How did you have the foresight that'd miraculously appear a minute before EoD to probe?

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:56 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:46 pm @Hugh Jass please tell me if Allison is mafia who her teammates are

@Allison Taylor please tell me if Hugh is mafia who his teammates are

I'm certain that Burns is Hugh's teammate. The third mafia is probably just Gramps given he went over at the last second. He claims he was voting to create chaos or whatever but I don't really buy that excuse.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:54 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:34 pm obviously something shady happened but there are 4 votes on Otto. My concern is that Allison might be clean and the other 3 not.

She isn't. Read the fucking end of day, a townie never switches there. The switch happened in matters of second and it's so obvious that it was orchestrated in private with how quickly it happened.

She's also lying about me switching to Otto. I never did so if you think the team is Krusty/Burns/Grampa and you trust me, I'm telling you she's 100% bad.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:37 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:36 pm You're also keeping the act up? lolol

you switched off burns without declaring and then switched back onto him when people CFDed otto, tell me what world that happens without you being burns' buddy

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:34 pm lmao are you going to keep up the act?

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:33 pm @The Grumple
@Principal Skinner
@Krusty the Clown

Let's bring it home

[VOTE: Mr. Burns] aubergine

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:12 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:09 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:08 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:05 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:02 pm Your take day 1 was Otto/Krusty both villagers. Is my memory bad?
You backed up their reciprocal TRs

Correct, it was clear that they knew each other and had strong meta reasons to townread each other, and at the time they both looked pretty townie with good entrances + tone, so I was willing to let it slide. Obviously that's changed and now I think one of them is scum.

Is happening that you ignore 2 scums in this process and give me alternate Poe 1 of 2 players who can be never checked until endgame.
This is fmpov wolfy behaviour my lady.

Sorry, can you rephrase what you're saying here? I don't understand.

You don't have a clear Poe, this is the problem

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:05 pm

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:03 pm [VOTE: Krusty] aubergine

A'ight...now we're pod racing

Why is Allison villager?

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:05 pm Lol at the timing.. Oof

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:02 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:00 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:56 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:54 pm If Otto/Krusty has just one wolf, then 2 more are outside.
Who are they?

As said earlier:

One in Hugh/Burns, because those two aren't wolves together. I'm currently leaning towards it being Burns slightly more because Hugh voted me without hesitation and Burns sort of showed hesitation to join the wagon on me, like he knows the wagon is bad and he doesn't want to get his hands dirty.

One in Gramps/Grumple. I have mixed feelings about both of them but GTH it's Grumple because the town stuff I've seen from Grumple seems less easier to fake than the town stuff I've seen from Gramps (even if it's less consistent).

Actually maybe Hugh is open wolfing with the vote on me because he thinks he can get away with it, ugh

I don't really buy his weird insistence that Krusty/Otto is V/V either. But that Burns hesitation is so out of character for the guy who was willing to smack a vote down on someone because he thinks pressure can turn coal into diamonds.

Your take day 1 was Otto/Krusty both villagers. Is my memory bad?
You backed up their reciprocal TRs

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:00 pm

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:56 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:52 pm All our suspects until now didn't give a damn and we have town reads not bothered so much during the game

All our suspects until now were just "well everyone else seems towny." Today we are gonna chop someone who has at least put in effort on clearing themselves...truthfully or not...so yeah they are gonna resist. That goes for Allison, Krusty, or Otto.

And you t-b-q-h

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:55 pm

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:53 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:49 pm

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:45 pm Allison?

Spicy I guess.

This is all you can say?

What else is there? Seems like a grasp at straws play, but it's not like I have any great arguments...I've read Allison as town, but I've pretty much read everyone as town so I'm obviously wrong somewhere.

You don't have scum reads?

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:52 pm All our suspects until now didn't give a damn and we have town reads not bothered so much during the game

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:49 pm

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:45 pm Allison?

Spicy I guess.

This is all you can say?

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:02 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:47 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:38 pm

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:36 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:31 pm Interesting it's turned into a thunderdome situation.

Well, you made a pretty compelling case on him and he made one on you, so...how is this surprising?

His case is 100% rubber/glue, omgus garbage.

I'm town.

See, this is the funny part...I don't know that Otto is scum. I just know that I'm town. Weird that he doesn't even see it as a possibility for me tho.

man this is making me reconsider my vote

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:50 pm My D1 entrance is unfakeable