Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:37 am
It's pretty evident there was some redirection mechanical fuckery in play. Wilgy should have copped himself due to radishes but didn't and claimed he landed on dizzy
@Syn - please can you ask wilgy to clarify the night he received Dizzy's role
catching up, just saw this
have asked, will report back if he responds
Wilgy confirms he didn't make up his result
what he said is what he got
he said it came with banjo-kazooie flavour
and then made some wonderwall/wonderwing reference that I don't understand tbh
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:37 am
It's pretty evident there was some redirection mechanical fuckery in play. Wilgy should have copped himself due to radishes but didn't and claimed he landed on dizzy
@Syn - please can you ask wilgy to clarify the night he received Dizzy's role
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:35 am
what did jpic say his role was? which one is the one who doesn't care about the vote amounts over under etc? the other gambling guy
JPIC has to go over/under on a number of votes for the main wagon. If he gets it right, two votes the next day. If he gets it wrong, no votes the next day.
HK is the other gambler. Don't remember the specifics, but if he gets his right, he's immune to negative night actions for the following night.
Look at Tim replying to posts above and below one very specific post of mine, which lists all the relevant posts in chronological order, disproving his assertion through the power of just verbatim quoting and nothing to do with me "intentionally lying." He is such a cutie.
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:07 pm
@Timsup2nothin the point of that game is: I think you're solidly town, like just unimpeachable, and I know you can take over games.
My concern about you is that you're not. You're content to just exist.
I know you've claimed shots, and the shots you've claimed make sense. I don't dispute that.
What I don't like is that my main perception of you is "you're all all wrong" that you had going for several days while we were chopping wolves.
Suddenly, when you can't impact things by voting and pressuring we start chopping townies. I see you railing vs made but I don't see you actually burying him like I know that town!Tim can do.
With Syn: My concern there is all sorts of tinfoil and doesn't make sense, I think. Like He's playing a really townie game, and he's made the right chops at the right time. It's basically some fear that he's been the mastermind behind those, aka busing.
Like GTH I have Syn as town, and if we (the three of us) make F3 I'm fucked trying to figure out which of you two it is.
I don't think we get there tbh, I think Made is the wolf we're looking for.
i'm also concerned about Michelle. Like of everyone else in the thread Michelle is the one I have the most fear about.
I will off myself right here right now. I am civvie willing and ready to risk it all on some petty type
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:07 pm
@Timsup2nothin the point of that game is: I think you're solidly town, like just unimpeachable, and I know you can take over games.
My concern about you is that you're not. You're content to just exist.
I know you've claimed shots, and the shots you've claimed make sense. I don't dispute that.
What I don't like is that my main perception of you is "you're all all wrong" that you had going for several days while we were chopping wolves.
Suddenly, when you can't impact things by voting and pressuring we start chopping townies. I see you railing vs made but I don't see you actually burying him like I know that town!Tim can do.
With Syn: My concern there is all sorts of tinfoil and doesn't make sense, I think. Like He's playing a really townie game, and he's made the right chops at the right time. It's basically some fear that he's been the mastermind behind those, aka busing.
Like GTH I have Syn as town, and if we (the three of us) make F3 I'm fucked trying to figure out which of you two it is.
I don't think we get there tbh, I think Made is the wolf we're looking for.
i'm also concerned about Michelle. Like of everyone else in the thread Michelle is the one I have the most fear about.
I will off myself right here right now. I am civvie willing and ready to risk it all on some petty type
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:07 pm
@Timsup2nothin the point of that game is: I think you're solidly town, like just unimpeachable, and I know you can take over games.
My concern about you is that you're not. You're content to just exist.
I know you've claimed shots, and the shots you've claimed make sense. I don't dispute that.
What I don't like is that my main perception of you is "you're all all wrong" that you had going for several days while we were chopping wolves.
Suddenly, when you can't impact things by voting and pressuring we start chopping townies. I see you railing vs made but I don't see you actually burying him like I know that town!Tim can do.
With Syn: My concern there is all sorts of tinfoil and doesn't make sense, I think. Like He's playing a really townie game, and he's made the right chops at the right time. It's basically some fear that he's been the mastermind behind those, aka busing.
Like GTH I have Syn as town, and if we (the three of us) make F3 I'm fucked trying to figure out which of you two it is.
I don't think we get there tbh, I think Made is the wolf we're looking for.
i'm also concerned about Michelle. Like of everyone else in the thread Michelle is the one I have the most fear about.
I will off myself right here right now. I am civvie willing and ready to risk it all on some petty type
now you have some day kamikaze role? wonders abound
I think maybe you are town, but there is no universe where I know that as fact.
I think you are tired, and lord knows I understand that. I shot you last night specifically because the state of the thread at EoD was "if Wilgy flips town it's Made" and I don't think you have the energy or the opportunity to fight that off, so even if shooting you was wrong it would have given town a fresh start on the day.
You can say, and I can agree, that town should "act as if you flipped town" and work on what then...but I think we both know that isn't realistic. Town will town.
IF you really do have a self blast in the tank, I think the town sided thing for you to do here, honestly, is use it rather than get chopped. That makes the next kill the chop, controlled by town, instead of the NK. It also forces the town to really enter the mindset you suggested, if you really are town.
Ultimately it is your decision of course, and I certainly don't envy you facing it...but that's my take on the state of the game.
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:18 pm
look at tim trying to earn some town cred
I think maybe you are town, but there is no universe where I know that as fact.
I think you are tired, and lord knows I understand that. I shot you last night specifically because the state of the thread at EoD was "if Wilgy flips town it's Made" and I don't think you have the energy or the opportunity to fight that off, so even if shooting you was wrong it would have given town a fresh start on the day.
You can say, and I can agree, that town should "act as if you flipped town" and work on what then...but I think we both know that isn't realistic. Town will town.
IF you really do have a self blast in the tank, I think the town sided thing for you to do here, honestly, is use it rather than get chopped. That makes the next kill the chop, controlled by town, instead of the NK. It also forces the town to really enter the mindset you suggested, if you really are town.
Ultimately it is your decision of course, and I certainly don't envy you facing it...but that's my take on the state of the game.
I think maybe you are town, but there is no universe where I know that as fact.
I think you are tired, and lord knows I understand that. I shot you last night specifically because the state of the thread at EoD was "if Wilgy flips town it's Made" and I don't think you have the energy or the opportunity to fight that off, so even if shooting you was wrong it would have given town a fresh start on the day.
You can say, and I can agree, that town should "act as if you flipped town" and work on what then...but I think we both know that isn't realistic. Town will town.
IF you really do have a self blast in the tank, I think the town sided thing for you to do here, honestly, is use it rather than get chopped. That makes the next kill the chop, controlled by town, instead of the NK. It also forces the town to really enter the mindset you suggested, if you really are town.
Ultimately it is your decision of course, and I certainly don't envy you facing it...but that's my take on the state of the game.
Is anyone less townie than me from your view?
your 1000th post should be your kamikaze
which is your next post
really make it symbolic
Made wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:37 pm
but yeah, uh, I don't actually think tutuu is scum. LC is prob fine. Kill Tim then kill HK. Personally, I'd go for someone else before Alison, but that cuz i still don't see why she needs to die. but yeah.
great game ____ & _____!! (i technically can't mention their names or i'm complying with the curse)
see y'all on the flip side
1000 post in one game is new record, and third new record in a row
but yeah, see ya later nerds
It is finished.
Made's last post in that chronological quote wall is #1000. Tim never responded to Made's question. Made didn't say "Tim convinced me." I did not omit any relevant posts. Feel free to verify.
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:47 pm
i mean here's the way i see it, me, tim, LC, tutuu, are mostly all mechanically speaking probably like at least 90% town, and maybe i'm forgetting someone else. 1 or 2 people maybe.
if mafia wants to keep at least one or two of those people out of the endgame phase they HAVE to kill within that space.
if the game reaches lylo or mylo or whatever? and one of those people is alive? that's the point in which we should bring up tinfoil. not while there's still like... meat on the table
Why is tim mechanically clear?
cus it's dumb for a mafia team to have 3 separate killing abilities, and have one of them just be categorically worse than the other two?
Sloonei's ability required 3 days to kill, Tim's ability requires 3 days to kill
Sloonei's is more conditional and could be argued to be so conditional it's useless, but the trimmings are basically the same, and in a game with, what, 27 players, two delayed KPs for scum does not sound outrageous
this game has been going on for a month
This is pure bullshit.
Sloonei's baseball requires three days to kill...if the target guesses wrong every single time...so it kills one time in EIGHT in three days. To have even a fifty fifty shot at killing someone Sloonei has to throw at them way more than three times.
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:47 pm
i mean here's the way i see it, me, tim, LC, tutuu, are mostly all mechanically speaking probably like at least 90% town, and maybe i'm forgetting someone else. 1 or 2 people maybe.
if mafia wants to keep at least one or two of those people out of the endgame phase they HAVE to kill within that space.
if the game reaches lylo or mylo or whatever? and one of those people is alive? that's the point in which we should bring up tinfoil. not while there's still like... meat on the table
Why is tim mechanically clear?
cus it's dumb for a mafia team to have 3 separate killing abilities, and have one of them just be categorically worse than the other two?
We have three protectives in this game, with martin and jack. We know dizzy's claimed role exists because of wilgy
I don't think scum having additional KP is that crazy
Think about this JPIC...the shots I have claimed...they have been towny AF every time. Obviously they were blocked. If I am a wolf...it seems odd that I took all those towny shots, yes?
On the other hand, they didn't go through, so MAYBE I was taking wolfy shots and got blocked...by who? Okay, Kyle stopped me, and maybe I was really shooting somewhere else...but read the SoD...does my irritation at finding Tutuu alive look fake? I guess it could be, because I am the ultimate wolf of power...so nevermind that...
How about Radishes? Was my surprise at finding him alive faked? Does it look like I actually shot Jack, and then pivoted when it didn't work? Okay, I know, I am the greatest, most duplicitous wolf of all time...so nevermind that...
How about Made? Does it look like that was a fake? He actually said that something interacted with his invulnerability. Made was the CW to Wilgy and he was due up as the next day's chop. Why in the fuck would I have shot him? Okay, I know, I am the slipperiest master of WIFOM to ever grace a wolfchat, so...okay...nevermind that...
Fuck.
I got nothin'.
Kill me yo.
literally none of this is confirmed
you are just saying words and portraying it like it's valid mech info
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:47 pm
i mean here's the way i see it, me, tim, LC, tutuu, are mostly all mechanically speaking probably like at least 90% town, and maybe i'm forgetting someone else. 1 or 2 people maybe.
if mafia wants to keep at least one or two of those people out of the endgame phase they HAVE to kill within that space.
if the game reaches lylo or mylo or whatever? and one of those people is alive? that's the point in which we should bring up tinfoil. not while there's still like... meat on the table
what meat is on the table?
it's an expression... i think. people say that, right?
Yeah it's a good expression, I just think we are out of meat.
We are gonna chop someone here that is either "towny AF" or "seems green checked." The easy meat is dead.
or we can chop tim, who has been openwolfing all game and making hypocritical arguments whenever it suits his fancy
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:47 pm
i mean here's the way i see it, me, tim, LC, tutuu, are mostly all mechanically speaking probably like at least 90% town, and maybe i'm forgetting someone else. 1 or 2 people maybe.
if mafia wants to keep at least one or two of those people out of the endgame phase they HAVE to kill within that space.
if the game reaches lylo or mylo or whatever? and one of those people is alive? that's the point in which we should bring up tinfoil. not while there's still like... meat on the table
Why is tim mechanically clear?
cus it's dumb for a mafia team to have 3 separate killing abilities, and have one of them just be categorically worse than the other two?
Sloonei's ability required 3 days to kill, Tim's ability requires 3 days to kill
Sloonei's is more conditional and could be argued to be so conditional it's useless, but the trimmings are basically the same, and in a game with, what, 27 players, two delayed KPs for scum does not sound outrageous
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:44 pm
tutuun is still probably good? the kind of power that would make my kill go through, but not my other thing isn't yet accounted for right?
I really don't like the way she goes straight to "I am green peeked and above all doubt." Like, everyone in the game that I really think is town is starting to have serious "there's fuckery in the mech" doubts. Tutuu is not only "I am green checked, get lost," she is displaying not any shred of doubt about "follow the mech, this is the way."
Yes, following the mech guarantees her survival...but if she was town her survival wouldn't equate to her wincon...that mindset it wolf.
Also, and maybe this is nutso, why is she alive being green peeked and all?
Her role is worse than our other green peek.
yeah, true.
Maybe the right thing to do is stop thinking about mechanics, slog through all the forking posts in the thread, and start just shouting J'Accuse…! at people and see what happens.
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:44 pm
tutuun is still probably good? the kind of power that would make my kill go through, but not my other thing isn't yet accounted for right?
I really don't like the way she goes straight to "I am green peeked and above all doubt." Like, everyone in the game that I really think is town is starting to have serious "there's fuckery in the mech" doubts. Tutuu is not only "I am green checked, get lost," she is displaying not any shred of doubt about "follow the mech, this is the way."
Yes, following the mech guarantees her survival...but if she was town her survival wouldn't equate to her wincon...that mindset it wolf.
Also, and maybe this is nutso, why is she alive being green peeked and all?
bruh her ability is garbage and the townies being murdered dead had abilities that dad dick the wolves
he asked if we could force you to prove your ability with a tie but i poked a hole in it and speculated that the hosts would just portray it like an ordinary rand, so no way to really know for sure
he also mentioned that made blocking out two names might mean he couldn't mention the players responsible for the curse, and that we should iso made's last day to see who was excluded
I did that and no one was excluded, so i think the blocked out names are flavor and not 1:1 with player names
i decide ties with my ability if thats of any relevance
are you allowed to holster? are ties decided by who you are voting for?
he asked if we could force you to prove your ability with a tie but i poked a hole in it and speculated that the hosts would just portray it like an ordinary rand, so no way to really know for sure
he also mentioned that made blocking out two names might mean he couldn't mention the players responsible for the curse, and that we should iso made's last day to see who was excluded
I did that and no one was excluded, so i think the blocked out names are flavor and not 1:1 with player names
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:30 am
Now that Made is proven villager his read for Tim deserves to be sheeped.
I don't have a reason to consider Tim as villager, I don't remember his interactions with flipped scum, but I will try to check.
Until then [VOTE:
Tim] aubergine
Cool. Totally lacking in logic, but cool.
If I am wrong, can you proove it? without Ate and explaining what you wouldn't do as wolf and other self meta things?
Nope. My entire case revolves around having used my vig shots in totally town sided ways and having talked Made into a totally town sided suicide. If you wanna say "wolf Tim would do all those things just for WIFOM" I genuinely have no argument, because maybe I would if I was a wolf. If you genuinely believe that I am that good as a wolf, then kill me. I'm actually fine with that, because I think I have presented the solve that makes sense, and once I flip green town can either sheep it or not as they choose.
Definitely. That's why you're trying to push tutuu as the main wagon. Because you're fine with being the first to go.
Two things:
1. You didn't convince Made to do anything. You're taking credit for it because you know the people you're saying this to aren't going to backread and verify. Unfortunately for you, there are other people here who were there.
2. You haven't used your vig shots at all, if mechs are to be believed. There is nothing verifying that you tried to shoot tutuu, because Kyle yoinked your shot. And your decision to shoot Made was simply dumb when it was well broadcasted beforehand that all the actions would be centered on him that night PLUS his claim that he couldn't be killed. You've beaten the "secret mechs in play" drum all game and then pretend to be bewildered that your supposed shot didn't hit gold when you supposedly picked the one person in the entire game where fuckery would be found.
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:12 am
how did made die anyway
I have a theory...
he said he was suicide bombing into tim (right? let me check)
whats ur theory
No, he just suicided, there was no bomb involved.
Yet again, I have done an obviously town sided thing...and yet again you are refusing to re-evaluate. I get "but I have a green check from Kyle so I can just open wolf" but I am really thinking that there is fuckery somewhere in the mech. The more you openwolf the more I think it has to be in that 'greencheck.'
silence, wolf
How sure are you is Tim?
I've been sure all game.
His power is scum-sided. Everything he does is scum-sided. Everything he says is scum-sided. He's going to respond to this and tell us about how Radishes was his biggest advocate, and funnily enough Radishes is dead and can't weigh in, so Tim's biggest defense is "if I were a wolf" and "follow the dead leader," which is doubly funny when he spent the entire game whining and blubbering that we were taking dead reads into consideration.
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:12 am
how did made die anyway
I have a theory...
he said he was suicide bombing into tim (right? let me check)
whats ur theory
No, he just suicided, there was no bomb involved.
Yet again, I have done an obviously town sided thing...and yet again you are refusing to re-evaluate. I get "but I have a green check from Kyle so I can just open wolf" but I am really thinking that there is fuckery somewhere in the mech. The more you openwolf the more I think it has to be in that 'greencheck.'
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:22 am
What if Nanook wasn't a wolf?
You mean that ability that makes it seem like a villager is bad?
Yeah.
"You are not only an incredible polka accordionist, you are also a brilliant scientist able to convert others into more useful or dangerous versions of themselves. Using your transformation chamber, you may metamorph your target into Carl Winslow or turn yourself into Stefan Urquell. Carl Winslow can check someone and determine the role and description, but not alignment. Stefan Urquell can charm someone into going on a date with him and receive BTSC with the target for the next phase. Be warned that giving someone the Urquell treatment is not without consequences. If someone dies in this state (including you) he or she will be revealed as the transformed figure and as mafia, regardless of alignment. Did I do that?"
What if Wilgy's power got stolen or redirected or whatever?
I think maybe you are town, but there is no universe where I know that as fact.
I think you are tired, and lord knows I understand that. I shot you last night specifically because the state of the thread at EoD was "if Wilgy flips town it's Made" and I don't think you have the energy or the opportunity to fight that off, so even if shooting you was wrong it would have given town a fresh start on the day.
You can say, and I can agree, that town should "act as if you flipped town" and work on what then...but I think we both know that isn't realistic. Town will town.
IF you really do have a self blast in the tank, I think the town sided thing for you to do here, honestly, is use it rather than get chopped. That makes the next kill the chop, controlled by town, instead of the NK. It also forces the town to really enter the mindset you suggested, if you really are town.
Ultimately it is your decision of course, and I certainly don't envy you facing it...but that's my take on the state of the game.
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:07 pm
@Timsup2nothin the point of that game is: I think you're solidly town, like just unimpeachable, and I know you can take over games.
My concern about you is that you're not. You're content to just exist.
I know you've claimed shots, and the shots you've claimed make sense. I don't dispute that.
What I don't like is that my main perception of you is "you're all all wrong" that you had going for several days while we were chopping wolves.
Suddenly, when you can't impact things by voting and pressuring we start chopping townies. I see you railing vs made but I don't see you actually burying him like I know that town!Tim can do.
With Syn: My concern there is all sorts of tinfoil and doesn't make sense, I think. Like He's playing a really townie game, and he's made the right chops at the right time. It's basically some fear that he's been the mastermind behind those, aka busing.
Like GTH I have Syn as town, and if we (the three of us) make F3 I'm fucked trying to figure out which of you two it is.
I don't think we get there tbh, I think Made is the wolf we're looking for.
i'm also concerned about Michelle. Like of everyone else in the thread Michelle is the one I have the most fear about.
I will off myself right here right now. I am civvie willing and ready to risk it all on some petty type
now you have some day kamikaze role? wonders abound
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:25 pm
im not gonna jump around and dance with a hoola loop on my waist if thats what ppl expect me to do thats for sure
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:25 pm
im not gonna jump around and dance with a hoola loop on my waist if thats what ppl expect me to do thats for sure
Made wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:55 pm
I mean I’m not mad bout nothing, but let’s say it this way: if I’m bad I’m probably the last mafia.
So thought experiment so we don’t waste the day at on the off chance I’m town (I am) If not made, who’s the last baddie?
This is extremely annoying because I think his powers are mucking up the game so badly that we have to kill him...but I am 50/50 at best on Made being a wolf. We should take his advice here.
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:41 pm
Okay, fine...no kill Kyle, but I'm just gonna kill made. Reading the thread yesterday it was like "if it isn't Wilgy it's Made" from top to bottom and side to side. I genuinely had no choice but to do the due diligent town vig thing and try to shoot him. If y'all go haring off in some wild new direction today just because he shrugged off a vig shot and had some confusing power interaction with Kyle you gotta go without me.
[VOTE:
Made] aubergine
By the way, if you think w!Tim shot the only person who fully understood how town sided I have been all game long, get help. I didn't kill Radishes and I'm not a wolf. Period.
Made wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:28 pm
But yeah, Tim is skeeming here, idk what he’s going for, but killing Kyle is ridiculously anti town. Don’t kill him wtf.
I'm just irritable because I've had three shots and haven't killed anyone. This is like the most meme worthy vig role ever.
And just because I had to check and you were obviously the most towny shot I could take I went ahead and blasted into your invulnerability do now I need another three days to charge and if I am still alive at N10 I am shooting myself.
Your shot went through? Shouldn't Made's bus drive target have died too then?
