The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:52 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:51 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:42 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:33 pm actually I have a very important question

a lot of these roles manipulate vote power

the screenshots LC has in the OP

do they include vote power changes?

how do we know when someone's vote power has applied?
I would also like to know what impacts this soup kill stuff

i've seen a couple people refuse to claim to evade the "soup kill"

how does that work

I don't understand what the question is tbh.

if the vote screenshots include vote power changes, we can do vote count analysis

and if soup kills aren't impacted by people claiming, then I call bullshit on the people being cagey when we're effectively at LYLO

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:42 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:33 pm actually I have a very important question

a lot of these roles manipulate vote power

the screenshots LC has in the OP

do they include vote power changes?

how do we know when someone's vote power has applied?
I would also like to know what impacts this soup kill stuff

i've seen a couple people refuse to claim to evade the "soup kill"

how does that work

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:48 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:46 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:25 pm @KZA are you clearing any of esooa, jack, epi, nutella, seanzie?
Essoa is town, Sean is confirmed town. Jack and epi likely mafia here. How many are left?
There's this and zero clearing between Esooa/Grogu. It's probably just Esooa here.
Who is Spider-Ham and why aren't they CCing Esooa?
Where did she even claim that role?

bruh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:46 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:25 pm @KZA are you clearing any of esooa, jack, epi, nutella, seanzie?
Essoa is town, Sean is confirmed town. Jack and epi likely mafia here. How many are left?
There's this and zero clearing between Esooa/Grogu. It's probably just Esooa here.

Who is Spider-Ham and why aren't they CCing Esooa?

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:33 pm actually I have a very important question

a lot of these roles manipulate vote power

the screenshots LC has in the OP

do they include vote power changes?

how do we know when someone's vote power has applied?

I would also like to know what impacts this soup kill stuff

i've seen a couple people refuse to claim to evade the "soup kill"

how does that work

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:33 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:29 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:27 pm @MacDougall

What does the Scion do?
I start with it. I pass it to someone whenever. I don't know what happens after that. If the person holding it is dead plus the other and the bride are all dead then the mafia get two kills the following night. It's a weird role.

so your one singular useful power is an item

that does something you don't know anything about

and if the person with it dies along with some other peeps, it gives the wolves extra KP?
It's literally in the OP.

oh I'm not questioning the KP

I'm questioning that you have no info regarding what your item does

actually I have a very important question

a lot of these roles manipulate vote power

the screenshots LC has in the OP

do they include vote power changes?

how do we know when someone's vote power has applied?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:29 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:27 pm @MacDougall

What does the Scion do?
I start with it. I pass it to someone whenever. I don't know what happens after that. If the person holding it is dead plus the other and the bride are all dead then the mafia get two kills the following night. It's a weird role.

so your one singular useful power is an item

that does something you don't know anything about

and if the person with it dies along with some other peeps, it gives the wolves extra KP?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:27 pm While we're wondering why obvious claimed town didn't die, let's talk about Jack who hard claimed a role that meant he couldn't be lynched three days ago.

What is Jack's claim?

@MacDougall

What does the Scion do?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:24 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:20 pm someone real quick sanity check me

there are 30 roles in the OP

there are not 30 players

based on the wolf flips, the missing roles have gotta be from the wolf side and, like, one or two towns, right?

has anyone tabulated a list of confirmed roles in game, and those that have yet to flip?
There were 4 roles removed. I severely doubt that LC would remove 3 wolves and 1 town, so there are probably either (2 wolf roles removed and 2 town roles removed) or (imo more likely) (1 wolf role removed and 3 town roles removed), meaning that there are 2-3 wolves remaining (unless by some crazy chance we hit the seemer and never figured it out, but I think this is unlikely)

I have no kept track of roles which must be here.

if this is true, my shot basically determines the game

that's good

no pressure, syn

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:23 pm This is an open setup with claiming.

Mafia can claim things. They have to be able to or the game is broken.

I don't know why anybody believes claims. They aren't important. They are red herrings. They are dangerous (look at what has happened twice).

Solus seems to have role fudging equity with Spider-Girl (982)

but that still circles back to G-Man needing to have made a colossal fuck-up for a Daemos message to be taken as host info

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:19 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:15 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:11 pm Mac is confirmed town because of the Scion thing.

Mac is confirmed wolf because if he was town, he’d have been souped.

In a vacuum, the first statement is much stronger than the later. I’d be interested in hearing counters to either statement before we just blast Seanzie tho.
Yup, my thoughts exactly of why he gotta be scum, if his claim is true which is supposed to clear him then why hasn't he been souped?
if his claim isn't true, who is the real Spider-Girl from 982?

this is not the time to withhold info

especially when Mayday's other ability is worth zilch
If I was gonna argue it, I’d say “nobody” and GMan was fooled by a notepass or secret role.

so you would argue that G-Man was targeted by Daemos

And just neglected to mention he could send a message of his own? and for some reason thought a player message was a host message?

I saw in G-Man's ISO that people were saying he was bad but this seems a bit of a stretch

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:19 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:14 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:12 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:11 pm @Esooa can you paraphrase what your n3 and n4 messages were

why no message n5?
pretty sure I submitted nothing n3, that was the day that was quick hammered and I wasn't even in thread the entire day

n4

Have you ever had a dream that that you um you had you'd you would you could you'd do you wi you wants you you could do so you you'd do you could you you want you want him to do you so much you could do anything?

n5 I had a double action so I sent dab twice but was rb'd
i guess that means killed people's actions still go through

though i am kind of side-eyeing using the soapbox to do literally nothing of value, not even clearing yourself when everyone wants your chop
lol anytihng I wanna post with it I can just post in thread, and posting real info in it risks outing me for soup cause they can just track reads

this doesn't parse for n5

the spider-ham message is from spider-ham, no? it cannot be hijacked, right? so spider-ham going "I am Esooa you ding-dongs" seems pretty clearing, and far more of a guarantee than an in-thread claim during the day

someone real quick sanity check me

there are 30 roles in the OP

there are not 30 players

based on the wolf flips, the missing roles have gotta be from the wolf side and, like, one or two towns, right?

has anyone tabulated a list of confirmed roles in game, and those that have yet to flip?

mac and esooa being so tilted when they are possibly the only confirmed towns is fun and chaotic but also I hate it

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:11 pm Mac is confirmed town because of the Scion thing.

Mac is confirmed wolf because if he was town, he’d have been souped.

In a vacuum, the first statement is much stronger than the later. I’d be interested in hearing counters to either statement before we just blast Seanzie tho.
Yup, my thoughts exactly of why he gotta be scum, if his claim is true which is supposed to clear him then why hasn't he been souped?

if his claim isn't true, who is the real Spider-Girl from 982?

this is not the time to withhold info

especially when Mayday's other ability is worth zilch

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:12 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:11 pm @Esooa can you paraphrase what your n3 and n4 messages were

why no message n5?
pretty sure I submitted nothing n3, that was the day that was quick hammered and I wasn't even in thread the entire day

n4

Have you ever had a dream that that you um you had you'd you would you could you'd do you wi you wants you you could do so you you'd do you could you you want you want him to do you so much you could do anything?

n5 I had a double action so I sent dab twice but was rb'd

i guess that means killed people's actions still go through

though i am kind of side-eyeing using the soapbox to do literally nothing of value, not even clearing yourself when everyone wants your chop

Thank you, Epi

Not ignoring you; seanzie is percolating in my brain while i extract info from esooa

is there a limit to what you can put in these messages

if you were being hard-sussed at EOD D5

why not just use the spider-ham message to say "I, Esooa, am town"?

@Esooa can you paraphrase what your n3 and n4 messages were

why no message n5?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:06 pm We did see a soapbox N1 and N2. There’s a secret role but Orazor says SH is in the game. I’m not seeing a counterclaim.

gotcha

i see that JJJ was the one who posted the d3 soapbox

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:01 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:33 am you know what. don't hate me but i need to to see what peeps would say and do now, so I'm sharing everything. I'll be yeeted. no reasons to hold back.

nite 1: MacDougall

nite 2: chardonnay

nite 3: Esooa, DaughterofOmega, Guillotine, KZA, and Nutella

nite 4: esooa

esooa and Nutella should have and could have believed my claim.

Esooa not even thinking I could be telling the truth when I rbed them 2 nites is just.

nutella not even hinting or suggesting or asking who else i rbed nite 3 is just.

no one saying that I didn't actually do anything to grogu. grogu not even saying he didn't get rbed by me. instead trying to play it off like I rbed him nite 4 and oops he didn't even bother to send one . is just.

but nice let's yeet me.

I'm a lying wolf here.

this is my will I guess.
Here are Daisy's NA's, blocking Esooa multiple nights.

so two nights blocked, and two nights where esooa just didn't use her claimed power

how did KZA "see" this? their power isn't tracking or watching

what is night action meta on the syndicate

can you repeatedly target the same person every night

why target Esooa every night if that's allowed

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:58 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:57 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:55 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:55 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:53 pm guess I should ISO LC and verify that
okay, verified, no spider-ham messages

@Esooa?
look at daisys role block night actions
where

also

you think she roleblocked you every single night?
idc to say more at all this game fkn sucks and my role is boring as hell and I have to try dealing with people who don't gaf to solve at all past just saying their own bad opinions

i am literally trying to save you right now lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:55 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:55 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:53 pm guess I should ISO LC and verify that
okay, verified, no spider-ham messages

@Esooa?
look at daisys role block night actions

where

also

you think she roleblocked you every single night?

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:53 pm guess I should ISO LC and verify that

okay, verified, no spider-ham messages

@Esooa?

guess I should ISO LC and verify that

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:52 pm camped my vote will maybe see u EoD now

come back dude

you claimed spider-ham

daisy's last day mentioned there were no day messages

why haven't you used your ability all game?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:50 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:21 pm Look. I've checked his (G-Man) ISO and I can't say that I scum read him plus the tunnels I got may be clouding my judgement. But I'm willing to act upon consensus. Bare in mind that trusting for me is a big issue that I've battled with all my life but I trust Made and KZA here.

I intend to MJOLNIR G-man in 30 minutes.
Rough news. I guess I owe Spider-Girl (982) an apology then.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:46 pm Okay I'm Spider-Girl. I gave the scion to G-Man because I figured he was the least likely to be killed by the mafia and would claim before he got chopped so he could pass it on. If he hasn't passed it away he's probably just outed mafia.

thanks

claiming it after the fact isn't necessarily clearing

though it'd be pretty ballsy as wolf since it's a confirmed role in the game

+town for mac rn

doing a cursory look at Daisy's last day

she made an interesting post saying she could claim spider-ham and that LC is just not including her messages in the day announcements, which is ham's ability

I am guessing that means all the day posts have not had special messages (please correct me if this is wrong)

so esooa is now claiming spider-ham

esooa, why haven't you used your apparent ability?

I ISO'd G-Man and didn't find an obvious confirmation of Mac giving him the Scion

in fact, Mac had G-Man sussed, apparently

What does the Scion do?

if Mac is confirmed town, why is he in everyone's POE

tf is going on

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:33 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:29 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:27 pm It pretty much came down to Epi/Guillo vs. Esooa/Grogu. Grogu flipped mafia. Going off course now is dumb. Subbing in on day 6 means you should just sheep. If you come in and throw Nutella will probably have a meltdown.
oh yeah nice dichotomy it's not like u defended grogu too and nutella did and KZA did and etc etc
I am

a) spewed clear off Grogu's flip
b) uncounterclaimed, confirmed town
c) out of my scumrange
yes un-cc'd is so important u really just be out here being un-cc'd but not being souped
Lol I do not know why I am not souped but it does not matter anyway because my role is confirmed real via G-man.

oh this is incheresting

esplain?

I looked at the role list and there are more roles than players, so being uncounterclaimed isn't necessarily clearing

but out of interest, since you claimed, who did you claim

I have to shoot between: Epignosis, Esooa, Guillotine, Jack, MacDougall, and Seanzie

today, during the day

If I may be so bold, may I request from everyone:

1. What they think the POE is
2. Who their hero shot is, with 2-3 sentences explaining why
3. Any info they might consider pertinent to my decision

okay so

7 people

I'm confirmed town

is anyone else confirmed town

i am guessing there are 2 wolves left

i have read nothing of this game

what's the sitch

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