The Syndicate

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[VOTE: VOTE DELI] aubergine

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:22 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:17 pm I’m not entirely sure what others see wolfy in you Falcon.
I suppose I haven’t been paying much attention but none of your posts haven’t really had anything that stand out towards either alignment IMO.

One thing I did like as I mentioned before was EoD1 and how you went about it. Felt like a genuine town ready to die before that Igno CFD.
But honestly if I were to pick the 3rd scum, you might make sense as it would explain Mac’s CFD push and the way Syn handled WimI today.
Just because I can Ima pretend I’m Falcon and respond.

But Gavial! You just said nothing stands out as AI but say my EoD1 was genuine town.

No Falcon, I did not. I said your posts haven’t been AI but your REACTION in EoD1 did feel like AI Genuine Town ready to die.

Pfffft. Doesn't sound like me at all

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:53 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:58 pm Deli, Marmot, and Gavial sure are interested in mechanics

And?

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:46 pm “Everyone has but 50 posts per game day. Flagrant disregard of this post limit will result in a modkill.”

This mean Mac Mod Killed?

I wouldn't call it a flagrant disregard, he went one post over.

Who's scum Marmot?

Some people say you, but I tend to disagree.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:46 pm “Everyone has but 50 posts per game day. Flagrant disregard of this post limit will result in a modkill.”

This mean Mac Mod Killed?

Was it a flagrant disregard?

[VOTE: VOTE GAV] aubergine

He's not nearly as suspicious of me and I haven't been at my towniest. Doesnt make sense

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:16 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:08 pm One would think that if the gamestate were "wolf dominated", as creature put it, that it would be relatively easy to say who at least some of the wolves are dominating the game.
It's apathy-dominated and some wolves bathing on half-assed pushes.

Yeah, and that belief is in no way represented by your vote on me. That's a half-assed push bruh, you're just sheeping Essoa.

One would think that if the gamestate were "wolf dominated", as creature put it, that it would be relatively easy to say who at least some of the wolves are dominating the game.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:39 am
Urist wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:04 am Vote Count 2.2

MacDougall (3) - Deli, Kami, Gavial
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1) - MacDougall
Deli (1) - hollowkatt
Syn (1) - Marmot
falcon45ca (1) - Esooa
Creature (1) - Syn

Not Voting (4) - Creature, falcon45ca, Wiml, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

Current Post Counts

MacDougall - 85 / 91 (6 left)
Esooa - 89 / 100 (11 left)
Syn - 61 / 73 (12 left)
hollowkatt - 70 / 90 (20 left)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 47 / 69 (22 left)
Kami - 46 / 75 (29 left)
Gavial - 65 / 96 (31 left)
Deli - 66 / 98 (32 left)
Wiml - 67 / 100 (33 left)
Creature - 52 / 92 (40 left)
Marmot - 42 / 83 (41 left)
falcon45ca - 45 / 91 (46 left)

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:19 am [VOTE: VOTE CREATURE] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:32 am I endorse a creature push
Yeah, this gamestate is utterly terrible and wolf-dominated.

The gamestate is wolf dominated? By whom? Who are the wolves dominating the game plz?

Gav, why are you voting HK?

[VOTE: VOTE CREATURE] aubergine

Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:31 am
Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:15 am
Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:08 am Kami is laying it on way too thick to be town. At best neg util.
Okay then actually vote me instead of whining about getting caught wolfing
You remind me of a YouTube commenter.
Sorry I hurt your ego, but not really
how do you figure you did that?
I would say someone has an ego when it comes to their reads when their first instinct is to instantly vote the person who claims their reads are bad.
Also "Who the fuck is this person." Shows me even questioning you upset you. You're reads are bad but I think it's on purpose, therefor you are a wolf and me calling you out hurt your ego. Sorry!

Which reads of Mac are bad and why?

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:18 am

Towny mindset right here

@Esooa If I'm scum, who led the CW to save me last RD?

Why are we voting Mac? What's he done this time?

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:59 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:58 pm Oh god the logic here is painful

This is why we don't call un-cced claims liars unless we have actual mech reason to
esooa is lying

open your heart and accept the truth

Why is she lying?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:49 pm I think Marmot's vote is the most justified here, although I'm not sure where to lean on Marmot. I voted igno mostly because of what Marmot pointed about igno and falcon. Esooa is probably my strongest townread rn. So if there's wolf in there, I'd look at Gavial and Wiml.

This post is yucky

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:52 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:19 pm Lol

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I’m not sure what the case here on wiml is? He was wrong on igno but so were a lot of you…
he was wrong on igno and it looks like he was trying to setup falcon for going over today, capitalizing on how people were sus of him yesterday.

Does this mean you're TR me now?

I am hungover, can someone give me cliff's notes? It looks like stuff happened

Imma leave this here, for if nothing else I'd like to at least add some musical enjoyment to the lives of my fellow town

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:48 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:47 am I'm not sure if doing it constantly might be towny. In his two previous scum games he wasn't actually around EoD/didn't fight his chop at that time at least. I'm not sure if that's just not being in thread or he didn't want to. I think it's interesting this game where he's playing even less energetically than from his other games is when he's here EoD trying to not die. It's making me consider going igno at least
I can attest that in Elder Scrolls, he wasn't in scumchat either, and I believe was at work all day, the day he was yeeted.

He'd left his vote parked on me, his teammate, who was a competing wagon lol.

These are facts

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:34 am Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.

Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.

Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial

Who's scum if I'm town?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:22 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:20 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:18 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:57 am This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.

I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.

It took me only 22 seconds too.

There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.
Sure, I agree with that. They also can be ways for wolves to push wagons, no?

Like I've said, if I'm mislynched, it is what it is. I only ask town to look at my wagon, cuz I can guarantee you it'd not all town

They can be. Do you think that's what I'm doing?

I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:29 am Worth noting: both igno and falcon are currently off-wagon.

Obviously something to be pointed out that falcon in particular hasn't self pressed yet but be careful of one of the two coming in and trying the vote as a self preservation vote.

I will not tie the vote

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:18 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:57 am This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.

I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.

It took me only 22 seconds too.

There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.

Sure, I agree with that. They also can be ways for wolves to push wagons, no?

Like I've said, if I'm mislynched, it is what it is. I only ask town to look at my wagon, cuz I can guarantee you it'd not all town

I don't have a town tell or maf tell based off my 1st post. I guarantee you can find games where I've been town and said so in my 1st post. That's not a good reason to scum read me

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:09 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:07 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:02 am sheep HK sheep HK sheep someone else but don't change your visible vote oh HK is distancing...
Haha, that struck a nerve, eh?
no, I'm calling you out on it

What if I'm just town tho? Have you considered that?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:02 am sheep HK sheep HK sheep someone else but don't change your visible vote oh HK is distancing...

Haha, that struck a nerve, eh?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:01 am I don't understand quite how falcon thinks both that Marmot "carrying my flag" ie getting very involved in his chop is scummy at the same time as HK avoiding involvement is scummy

I know, right? Weird

Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:38 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:32 am
Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:13 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:10 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:06 pm @Esooa is Kami mafia?
RN I'd say she's town. In the game I played with her previously she didn't really care that much and made few reads etc because she was scum and didn't really want to be. This game obviously she cares about reading stuff and is mad at HK because of what she's read
Kami’s caring is a function of her mood, not her alignment ime
Besides hollowkatt, who else are you up to lynch?
i'm almost at the point with hollow that like nah, idk that a wolf comes in and does that-- not going to clear them for being inconsistent but Idt it would make sense for hollow to be w/w is falcon and I'd rather flip falcon first.

Villa
Deli

Villa lean
wiml
marmot
igno?

Not clearing(hopefully not more than 1 wolf in here)
Mac
Esooa
Kami
Hollow
Creature

Lunch here(three wolves-- one time?!)
gavial
nanook
falcon

tbh tho it's early and this list could be very good or very bad or neither :O

Tbh, your scumreads consist of standard Syndicate LHF and people that are easy to fake a scumread on, so that alone makes me disagree.

Fair enough, this is my first time playing with many of you and these are the people pinging me the hardest. Syn also wolfy but nonmemorable and I forgot them on here. Happy for you to explain why any of my wolf reads are aren’t wolfy this game, and why these ppl are lhf

NA nook hasn’t made cases or anything substance, seems kinda frozen and trolly, if I’m wrong about one it is probably this slot
Gavial is over explainy, seems like they’re nitpicking
Falcon has wolfy posts and I didn’t think reacted well to being pushed, reads seemed fake

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

If that doesn’t work I swear to god I’m going to flip a fucking table

Thats where I’m voting for now, will not vote for wiml or igno today. Hope igno plans on posting more before EoD

Ok sleep now hopefully

Feels weird, why so frustrated? It's D1

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:46 am Yeah ok.

So I read through all three of falcon's ISOs here and yeah everything Esooa has said is pretty much spot on? The only attempt at solving I see in falcon's wolf game was to try to spew a partner town in order to set them up deep (and that seems to be only after falcon was pressured). Compare that to the town game where they came in and were immediately wolf hunting.

Falcon could you share with me your reads at the moment please?

Just reading the last page, Marmot stood out to me, as well as HK. With HK, his post re: me felt like a wolf trying to distance a bit from a mislynch

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:15 am Finally read his ISO and I agree.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:27 am On one hand Falcon has spent numerous posts telling people he's town. Specifically, 12 of his 27 posts have included some allusion to his own alignment.

On the other hand, he threw shade at both Creature and hollowbutt for "having too many townreads".

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:44 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:35 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:05 pm oh yeah,

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine mafia
You like Mac's reads, and they make sense...he has me as Town, how does this figure into your voting?
do you have anything else to say?
On the subject of you scum leaning me? Not at the moment

This particular interaction with esooa looks like he's trying to have a little fun. He hints that Mac's townread of him doesn't make sense. Esooa responds with a good question, to which falcon just falls kinda flat.

Esooa clarified it later, what she was asking, to which falcon made his statement about Creature.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:48 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:46 pm no about literally anything in the thread
Yeah, Creature has way too many players in his town list

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:48 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:46 pm no about literally anything in the thread
Yeah, Creature has way too many players in his town list
Am I wrong on one of my them?
Maybe? I don't know, I was only told my alignment
Do you disagree on any of them?

I currently feel fairly good about the ones I listed and having a list of players you don't want to lynch is optimal here, even if you end up needing to reevaluate them later.
I don't have enough info to say at the moment. Nobody in your list immediately stood out to me, I'm just a lot more suspicious than trusting early in the game

The thing is, I don't think falcon is that suspicious. I went back and read AIM Mafia (falcon's last town game), and falcon had four townreads before he had any semblance of a scumread.

His arguments are half-hearted, and he's quickly lost interest in them when put under pressure. He's spent more time discussing his own alignment than other people's alignments. This looks like a wolf.

This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.

Yeah, but I'm town.

It's ok, I'm an easy push this game and I'm ok with it. Just look at who pushes me and why. Looking at things right now, I'd say Marmot is looking the most oppurtunistic.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:58 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:29 pm falcon is still mafia. I have nothing else to say

oh well, I also am here to say igno is bussing him
At least you'll get to learn what crow tastes like
I don't really give a fuck if we miss day 1. So this means nothing to me at all

Well given you've already stated that your game reads don't change at all when I flip green, I am completely unsurprised by this attitude.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:29 pm falcon is still mafia. I have nothing else to say

oh well, I also am here to say igno is bussing him

At least you'll get to learn what crow tastes like

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:53 pm Gavial, talk to me some more about some of your reads please.

For example, I'm looking at your wall and this is what you say about Falcon.

"Falcon -
Doesn’t like being third and wishes for more is what I’m getting from his entrance post.
Claims to Nanook he is town which from what I remember in a previous town game of his probably means he is town.
Has an issue with 5 town reads at once.
Well then he’s probably not going to like this post lol."

And that's all you say, all information with no comment on it. Then you put him in your top 7 towns (which I assume is unordered) and I'm trying to understand... what actually is your read here? What elevates Falcon over Nanook/Esooa who you seem to have pretty much as null?

Would you be able to order your town and wolf reads lists for me please? Just so I can see where you're at within those two groupings? If there are any changes since that post, could you lmk what they are and why please?

Like, you're clearly putting effort in here but I'm really struggling to see what you're thinking and I'd really appreciate the clarification you could give here!

He prolly read my 1st post where I clearly state that I'm town.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:19 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:15 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:09 pm I have some thoughts on gavial but I'm struggling to parse how much of it is personality indicative.

@Gavial would you mind linking merecent games where you're town and scum that you think are representative of your play?
Try the Fallout one and the elder scrolls one I recently just had

@Creature What's your scum read on Nook?

[VOTE: VOTE DELI] aubergine

Sheeping HK, I see no reason not to ATM

Ignoramuss's scum read on me is so wrong it prolly means he's town

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:16 pm @falcon45ca if you can link previous scum games I'll read them

Honestly I don't even know how to find previous games on this site

Elder Scrolls game just wrapped up, it's still in the current games section.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:58 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:44 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:38 pm falcon is so mafia
What does the game look like to you if I'm town?

Oh and I am btw. Lock. It. In.
it looks literally exactly the same except you'd be town
That's pretty weak.

I'm not sure if you're scum or just bad at reading me. I'll let ya know when I figure it out
I'm neither. You haven't called a single person mafia. In 1984 you were so eager to call people mafia you called two people mafia and together immediately in a game with at most 1 mafia. You point out things you don't like but you don't say they're mafia for it. You're reserved to the point you're sheeping HK. Your focus is primarily on my read on you

I don't disagree with you actually. I am town tho, it's a bit of Mafia fatigue taking away my zest.

I will flip green, so I'll either find my game or I'll get mislynched.

If I'm calling out players/posts I don't like, then I do feel you are being a bit nitpicky that I'm not calling them Maf at the same time.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:44 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:38 pm falcon is so mafia
What does the game look like to you if I'm town?

Oh and I am btw. Lock. It. In.
it looks literally exactly the same except you'd be town

That's pretty weak.

I'm not sure if you're scum or just bad at reading me. I'll let ya know when I figure it out

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:38 pm falcon is so mafia

What does the game look like to you if I'm town?

Oh and I am btw. Lock. It. In.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:22 pm okay NOW gavial's being scummy

too coherent for d1

plus a wall

Truth

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:39 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:33 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:29 pm >be lock town
>be at the bottom of HK's town list

feels bad man
order is unimportant. what is important is you're town, so take that to heart and go find me a wolf to kill that isn't Wiml
falcon and deli

you're welcome

I'm town, didn't you read my 1st post?

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:29 pm >be lock town
>be at the bottom of HK's town list

feels bad man

Your profile pic says it all

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:48 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:46 pm no about literally anything in the thread
Yeah, Creature has way too many players in his town list
Am I wrong on one of my them?
Maybe? I don't know, I was only told my alignment
Do you disagree on any of them?

I currently feel fairly good about the ones I listed and having a list of players you don't want to lynch is optimal here, even if you end up needing to reevaluate them later.

I don't have enough info to say at the moment. Nobody in your list immediately stood out to me, I'm just a lot more suspicious than trusting early in the game

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:18 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:00 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:57 pm town
creature
wiml
esooa
falcon
mac
nanook
igno
syn

wolf
gavial
deli
kami

not posting
marmot
Jesus H Murphy

Town leans galore

I no longer deal in leans. the townies I read as town are just town, the wolves I read as wolves are just wolves
Oh shit.

Tell the host, looks like you cracked this game
ikr. HK too good at mafia

A'ight. I shall sheep you until I decide not to

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:48 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:46 pm no about literally anything in the thread
Yeah, Creature has way too many players in his town list
Am I wrong on one of my them?

Maybe? I don't know, I was only told my alignment

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:00 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:57 pm town
creature
wiml
esooa
falcon
mac
nanook
igno
syn

wolf
gavial
deli
kami

not posting
marmot
Jesus H Murphy

Town leans galore

I no longer deal in leans. the townies I read as town are just town, the wolves I read as wolves are just wolves

Oh shit.

Tell the host, looks like you cracked this game

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