The Syndicate

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:19 am Me calling Esooa outed was a reaction test. Would call her null.

Same applies to whatever this is and much else or whatever

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:18 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:15 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:14 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:13 am well I'm not opening any more ISO's for the rest of this game
lol you're giving up on the game because of me?

good grief just ignore me there is more to a game than me
I mean, you simply gave me hope with the full intention of dashing it, which is murderous in it's own right, but if I ignore you I get things like Alexa calling me outed for considering the possibility of wolf her, and etc... not much hope in sight, sorry. Kill me iyam
there's always hope in my read about you ... my reaction testing alexa and Lime Coke is rather independent of my read on you...

I've already said I don't give a fuck about your read on me. I care about the fact that I am posting with the intention of giving thoughts and receiving thoughts in return, if what I say is valid, a different perspective, anything. What you have now offered is... litearlly nothing about what I am saying, and only "Esooa is pushing Dolby and since I have her as a wolf that makes him towny," with literal zero attempt at breaking any barrier of "I wolf read you so I will listen to nothing you say," at least as far as what I see in thread goes, so I don't care to say more

I legitimately feel zero cooperation in most games of mafia I play, that's prob it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:14 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:13 am well I'm not opening any more ISO's for the rest of this game
lol you're giving up on the game because of me?

good grief just ignore me there is more to a game than me

I mean, you simply gave me hope with the full intention of dashing it, which is murderous in it's own right, but if I ignore you I get things like Alexa calling me outed for considering the possibility of wolf her, and etc... not much hope in sight, sorry. Kill me iyam

well I'm not opening any more ISO's for the rest of this game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:08 am you would have rather me just do what I was doing before?

yes

Man I can't believe you do something like that lmfao I thought you actually gave a fuck

eh okay yeah, I mean Mac you are saying shit like my posts being "Dolby wolf" is literally making you make... the opposite of that read.. and your engagement with my reasons is nonexistent

But we are solving together or :?

I guess I am done playing with your epic RT, tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:02 am also im watching a movie so im not technically here but ftr i think that dolby's catch-up posts were wolfy because the reads that they came out of it with didnt feel proportional to the stuff that they were actually observing. i'll elaborate more tomorrow, probably

lol I thought the same which is intriguing

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:48 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:02 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:01 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:57 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:52 pmi tend to be suspicious of people with perspectives that i can't understand. i felt frustrated reading the first 2 pages because of how bland and NAI everything was coming off to me, and you making a post with 4 townreads in such a null threadstate felt like a potential indication that the reason youre not struggling to make reads is because you have TMI
If it's any consolation, I've already tossed those reads out, and I agree that things have been bland.

When Alison pushed Gira, I had half a thought that she did it on purpose to pressure Gira specifically, because Gira is pressure-able (cross referenced in my mind with a different game). And if Alison did that on purpose, it's towny for her. But I'm less convinced it was strategic, and probably just a genuine push. I mean, could be both of course. But why am I even making assumptions about it.

Explaining my thoughts are kind of blah right now, cause I don't feel all that enthused tbh, so it's a lot of maybe this maybe that.
okay i changed my mind, i think that you might be town now but im struggling to explain why i find this post towny because i am also unenthused and my brain is tired
i think it's mostly because the explanation in this post is a little sloppy/thrown together whereas i recall that dizzy's posts in the wolfgames ive seen from him are a lot Fancier and well-thought out, particularly if he's being interrogated by another person
Honestly this is kinda hilarious because I do think it's a huge brain move to town read your partner for being more towny as a wolf in the town game you're mistaking as a wolf game. That is crazy to do as a wolf. I dunno if I want to read into this though lol

I quoted the wrong post here and don't know which one I meant to at the time

but meh

See how easy posting all my reads is . .

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:43 am I think my confident reads are Alexa, Mac, and LC are likely town, I was feeling badish about Gira but then I felt that Wilgy didn't interact with them like a teammate at one point and am not feeling best about dizzy and esooa

also kinda weird that Alexa is still alive but w/e

I'm not convinced that this read on me is real at all, considering what you posted in catchup was only a slight deflection off Wilgy which is in reality just a follow up to reads I already had in thread so shrug. Feels weak, supporting a wrong status quo, and like wolfy reasoning (not to do with my posts but about a wrong read manifesting exactly how it would as a town)

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:02 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:23 pm mm ok, my overall conclusion is that brad is Valid in saying that spf's play this game compares to her scumplay in 16/8er, there are a lot of glaring similarities, but i'm also not convinced that this is out of her townrange in the way she treats reads when she hasn't fully gotten into a game yet, like in deck mafia when i was tunneling her for what i think is something kinda similar... brad is just solid town for this whole thing, SPF probably null lean scum but not to the never rescind point

also yes brad, you were pushing her on D2 in venom. she had some mech stuff against her but i could still tell she was town
i genuinely think that it might be outing for you to be bolstering lime coke's meta case on me, because respectfully, the comparison between the 18/10er game and this game is absolutely terrible and there is no way that a reasonable person can look at my opening posts in that game vs this game and say there are "glaring similarities"

[VOTE: alexa] aubergine

I think SPF's omgus here was pretty towny. Emotions escalated how I'd expect and it developed into suspicion for reasons I can believe on a person I can believe she would think that about. Like she wasn't a wolf looking for outs but was mrr at people pushing her and at first when Alexa pushed her it was just also fighting back like with LC but after a post or two more goes "nah this is actually wolfy from Alexa because of these reasons" I dunno though this is lighter I suppose

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:49 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:43 pm also think gira and falcon are town

goes without saying nanook, Lime Coke are town

alexa is just an f3 tinfoil

it's literally just esooa and fingersplints
It’s literally not

Who are you going to go after when you flip me and I’m revealed as town?

Yea I was wrong about Wilgy. Recent games show I can’t read them for shit. But as someone pointed out and compared to Fargo this is very obviously not my wolf game.

Mac’s going to push me til I’m gone, and I don’t have the time or energy to fight it on Christmas
Day. So be it. Just don’t spend all day planning who you all are voting “when I flip red” because that shit isn’t happening

lol nice post Finger

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:43 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:33 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:33 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:07 am
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:04 am ok there's a chance this is an awful read but brad increasing the font size and bolding a line he previously wrote as mafia to say jokingly that he's town here may be town indicative

i don't really care about this that much because i'll prob have a solid read on him outside of microtells by EOD anyway but

vibes
It was just copy/pasta I decided to use.

You know how to read me anyways so you'll find me town for other reasons that are correct.
this is probably the closest thing i got to a ping, because i felt like lime coke was talking to alexa in this post like he already knew that she was town. i know that LC tends to be pretty trusting of alexa regardless of her alignment, but i would expect his attitude toward her at the beginning of the game to be a little bit more cynical/suspicious
Why though? Have you ever seen him be cynical/sus early on towards her?
no, i just assumed that he would be more naturally paranoid of alexa in this game cause of how much of a big deal people have made about him getting pocketed by her in the past, which is why a post that came off as trustful of alexa on page 1 felt off to me

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:44 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:33 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:30 pm [VOTE: esooa] aubergine
why this
i feel like you are trying to project towniness harder than the recent towngames ive seen from you, and the post that u made about me when i first started posting felt a little pockety so im voting u and seeing what happens

Talked about the LC one before, but the one on me too I think is a valid thing to think even if not entirely accurate. Looks like a moving view of the world, coming up with things about the game.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:02 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:01 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:57 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:52 pmi tend to be suspicious of people with perspectives that i can't understand. i felt frustrated reading the first 2 pages because of how bland and NAI everything was coming off to me, and you making a post with 4 townreads in such a null threadstate felt like a potential indication that the reason youre not struggling to make reads is because you have TMI
If it's any consolation, I've already tossed those reads out, and I agree that things have been bland.

When Alison pushed Gira, I had half a thought that she did it on purpose to pressure Gira specifically, because Gira is pressure-able (cross referenced in my mind with a different game). And if Alison did that on purpose, it's towny for her. But I'm less convinced it was strategic, and probably just a genuine push. I mean, could be both of course. But why am I even making assumptions about it.

Explaining my thoughts are kind of blah right now, cause I don't feel all that enthused tbh, so it's a lot of maybe this maybe that.
okay i changed my mind, i think that you might be town now but im struggling to explain why i find this post towny because i am also unenthused and my brain is tired
i think it's mostly because the explanation in this post is a little sloppy/thrown together whereas i recall that dizzy's posts in the wolfgames ive seen from him are a lot Fancier and well-thought out, particularly if he's being interrogated by another person

Honestly this is kinda hilarious because I do think it's a huge brain move to town read your partner for being more towny as a wolf in the town game you're mistaking as a wolf game. That is crazy to do as a wolf. I dunno if I want to read into this though lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:02 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:01 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:57 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:52 pmi tend to be suspicious of people with perspectives that i can't understand. i felt frustrated reading the first 2 pages because of how bland and NAI everything was coming off to me, and you making a post with 4 townreads in such a null threadstate felt like a potential indication that the reason youre not struggling to make reads is because you have TMI
If it's any consolation, I've already tossed those reads out, and I agree that things have been bland.

When Alison pushed Gira, I had half a thought that she did it on purpose to pressure Gira specifically, because Gira is pressure-able (cross referenced in my mind with a different game). And if Alison did that on purpose, it's towny for her. But I'm less convinced it was strategic, and probably just a genuine push. I mean, could be both of course. But why am I even making assumptions about it.

Explaining my thoughts are kind of blah right now, cause I don't feel all that enthused tbh, so it's a lot of maybe this maybe that.
okay i changed my mind, i think that you might be town now but im struggling to explain why i find this post towny because i am also unenthused and my brain is tired
i think it's mostly because the explanation in this post is a little sloppy/thrown together whereas i recall that dizzy's posts in the wolfgames ive seen from him are a lot Fancier and well-thought out, particularly if he's being interrogated by another person

This read, especially while saying she's tired and struggled to explain it more, which would be very coy if wolfing, is towny imo. I think making this kinda read based on the more difficult to ascertain tone of a post comes from paying genuine attention to the post

Dolby's post is wolfy imo btw

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:43 am Here's the rub

Alexa, Lime Coke and Wilgy rand mafia together.

Alexa and Lime Coke have to townread each other cuz if they distance everyone would just sheep. Lime Coke would auto die if Alexa didn't just townlock him.

Poor third wheel Wilgy plays the role of their distancing punching bag as a result. Nanook and Mac read Wilgy mafia for obscure reasons and trap his teammates on the wagon. Alexa tries to flip someone else late in the day but thinks better of it. Lime Coke doesn't have the game to be able to make moves from that spot so he just hard buries Wilgy.

See, it is not hard to change minds, I didn't even do anything deserving of this, because probably Alexa and LC have played more towny than me

I think from my foggy memory that Falcon is most likely, but maybe your not w/w read is right, it's kinda an off one though. Fingers could still be it, and I don't think Alexa bussed so hard.

the 99.9% town thing was a meme ftr

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:33 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:07 am
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:04 am ok there's a chance this is an awful read but brad increasing the font size and bolding a line he previously wrote as mafia to say jokingly that he's town here may be town indicative

i don't really care about this that much because i'll prob have a solid read on him outside of microtells by EOD anyway but

vibes
It was just copy/pasta I decided to use.

You know how to read me anyways so you'll find me town for other reasons that are correct.
this is probably the closest thing i got to a ping, because i felt like lime coke was talking to alexa in this post like he already knew that she was town. i know that LC tends to be pretty trusting of alexa regardless of her alignment, but i would expect his attitude toward her at the beginning of the game to be a little bit more cynical/suspicious

I had the same thought about LC. She posted later it's not scummy to have think it's weird he's doing stuff as he does them always, while saying he's going to not do it as much. I agree with that and had the same thought, and I think slightly that having a natural game-to-game progression like this is more likely as town, where rather as a wolf you'd probably see something rehashed previously. Coming up with new thoughts is harder as a wolf and you recycle the old stuff kinda thing. The more important thing here probably is just that I think it's towny she posted thoughts I found agreeable about things she cared about, in that I don't really think she's trying to make things up to try and look more solvy or towny, like a wolf

ftr I don't actually endorse Alexa votes atm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:32 pm tbh im reading through the game right now and barely any posts are coming off as alignment indicative

im not sure if it's just a me thing or if people just arent really alignment telling

Think this is towny mostly because it's accurate thoughts to the game state at the time, at least as I saw it. Lots of doing not much, stuff like Dizzy saying "zomg everyone's so towny." True I suppose, but still, the feeling was that nothing was being done that mattered and SPF was just like "This doesn't really matter" lol

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:36 am Esooa is openwolfing because she has no pushes

You're an easy one queen, get in to an omgus fight like this, pull up a few more posts that I can call wolfy, fight back and forth, but you don't care about talking about things so who yells loudest, talks smoothest wins... I can do both of those

wah Alexa is misreading me AS WE SPEAK so she's a wolf

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:33 am I don't think v!Esooa ever goes here, she's seen me play enough to know that's now how I treat partners and can die 10/10 times despite my earlier thoughts, think the emotion stuff is very easily in her scumrange anyway

yea yea yea I know, talking about reads is criminal. Lucky for you I'm moving on to SPF

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:30 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:28 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:26 am nothing surprising to be had this day I guess
nah I'm trying to solve with you let's go
I'm reading posts
read lime coke's

After SPF. I already know my LC thoughts which was that he had one good point, probably good enough for today, and that was his SPF push. The rest of what he's been doing is just posting reads lists with no other words so shrug, I don't remember how he treated Wilgy either though

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:45 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:32 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:53 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:45 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:40 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:36 pm

you know i was thinking on the game and this post stuck in my mind

and this is interesting word choice because you're expressing concern over "misclearing" wilgy

but like

didn't you push back when i expressed similar sentiment about people's early reads on Alison

(and also lol at expressing a concern over a misclear while defending lime coke doing what he does - not really alignment relevant, but, like, the irony)
i thought alison was being villagery, though. so to me your thing of "that is so obviously in her scum range" implied that something villagery was in her scum range so that's not a reason to townread her (which, you clarified anyways, so cool). whatever the fuck people were townreading wilgy for read as random crap that shouldn't be considered villagery in any world so "he wouldn't do that as scum" or w/e read very differently
you thought she was being villagery off 3 posts

but are worried about early townreads on wilgy (and i don't think what he's done so far is "random crap" even if it's presented in a jokey fashion - he has reads and is expressing them)

[VOTE: alexa] aubergine
wilgy hasn't explained a single read and has literally just been posting nonsense, what the heck is villagery? alison's content has been good and i've agreed with most of it
Oh no! Out of my few posts which ones do you think are purposeful reads?
why is dizzy scum?
@DrWilgy you still haven't answered this

and it's AI because one of the reasons i've found you as town in the past is the way you've explained reads

I suppose I'll be omgus'd no matter what so may as well call it as I see it, and this is super typical w/w interactions trying to make sure they're clean and all that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:28 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:26 am nothing surprising to be had this day I guess
nah I'm trying to solve with you let's go

I'm reading posts

nothing surprising to be had this day I guess

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:21 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:19 am but that's just from a brief look but may as well post it because posting to get town read is easy
I appreciate it. I read it. It should be acknowledged in the event of Alexa not self resolving and you flipping green or getting townier. Do you think Alexa had equity with Fingersplints?

I have no opinions on anyones w/w equity because reading into that imo isn't very accurate without a more fleshed out reading of their dynamics than I care to read into right now

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:20 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:13 am
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:00 pm Ok so, i have 2 different interpretations of recent posts and it ~~~depends on if Wilgy is a wolf or not. I just like don’t want to condence it because I had sparks of “this is meaningful” with both (some things are c/p’d with both but i’ve been bored and rring recent posts and considering both lights)

Notes #1:

>#915 so Gira refuses to townread women, he’s the antibrad

>Wilgy voting me after i capped is scummy AF, especially when he was talking about the scumread before that. Also i just. Don’t think his posts are good.

>#926 “somewhat disappointed if you're town" to spf is kinda towny from Gira

>#930 yes Nanook does bus, the only game i’ve played with him/seen him as wolf, he bussed both his partners

Gira: why do you feel like SPF suspecting you and pushing you is >rand town?

God There is such a sick part of me tempted to fake a FOS on Gira so that he townreads me regardless of his alignment as he seems to consistently be doing this but lol, i think his recent posting is >rand V

BUT IM ALSO THINKING OF A W/W CONNECTION BETWEEN GIRA/WILGY SO NOW I’M RECONSIDERING IT LMAO

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Notes #2 (Confbias lens of Gira/Wilgy W/W):

>#915 so Gira refuses to townread women, he’s the antibrad (still important)

>Wilgy voting me after i capped is scummy AF, especially when he was talking about the scumread before that and didn’t vote me then. Also i just. Don’t think his posts are good. (still important)

>It feels like Gira is avoiding Wilgy to me in a way I feel could be W/W. like, he mentioned a lame townread on Wilgy early for no reason, then has not talked about it since or provided anything IRT a read since.

>#930 yes, Mac, Nanook does bus??? the only game i’ve played with him/seen him as wolf, he bussed both his partners

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Gira: why do you feel like SPF suspecting you and pushing you is >rand town?

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#966 ehhh this may not be S/S with wilgy though

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But, @Gira Why me wolf if Wilgy town over other people townreading Wilgy like Esooa and Alison?
Random Alexa thoughts from perusing through posts as you do

This post read really weirdly to me and I especialyl don't get the two catchup posts thing. Just a weird post imo
I wanted to post all my stream-of-conscious thoughts on everything to see if anyone agreed with anything, didn't feel like condensing

What is weird?

Never seen you post like that, think you could have posted it in other, easier to convey ways, this feels like too much thought was put into it and like how you posted about Eva in the team game, etc

ftr I don't care to solve Finger until like last because if they're town idc and if they're wolf then idc either because people are gonna be mad and wanna kill me more even if I push them today because they'll go "Esooa busses Finger look at their posts" so it doesn't do anything for me

but that's just from a brief look but may as well post it because posting to get town read is easy

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:36 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:19 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:11 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:59 pm Dissuasion lol
Yeah no, I'm moving you back to null. I don't know how to read you.

Early dissuasive voice in of itself I read as Wolfy, but your following posts on Mac when you committed to the vote I was able to read in a town voice.
Ok. Do you think Mac is town here? I struggle to get any scum reads tbh
Still have him as a slight town lean.

I have a scum read on Alexa rn, I still think the earlier wolf read was BS. Especially when Falcon is just slightly out of town range? Like that didn't make sense.
so it's literally just OMGUS?

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:37 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:36 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:19 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:11 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:59 pm Dissuasion lol
Yeah no, I'm moving you back to null. I don't know how to read you.

Early dissuasive voice in of itself I read as Wolfy, but your following posts on Mac when you committed to the vote I was able to read in a town voice.
Ok. Do you think Mac is town here? I struggle to get any scum reads tbh
Still have him as a slight town lean.

I have a scum read on Alexa rn, I still think the earlier wolf read was BS. Especially when Falcon is just slightly out of town range? Like that didn't make sense.
so it's literally just OMGUS?
I'd say it's more so noticing inconsistencies.

Gira pointed one out as well that makes sense. It's almost as if you are pick and choosing your reads.
what inconsistencies? and do you think being consistent = a villager?

the thing with gira admittedly had to do with my own personal bias

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:49 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:44 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:36 pm what do you mean irt falcon? idk anything about falcon's ranges, only that TSP said falcon is more inclined to push people as town
Ok, and what are my ranges then?

Falcon has several unexplained call outs and votes, but is town leaned by you? unless you specifically had an issue with my dizzy read, I don't understand it.
idk your ranges much either

ehhhh i have enough other townreads that idk if i'd call him a town lean, but falcon's posts are direct responses to things that i can easily follow, to me it just felt like you were throwing shit out and seeing what would stick. i acknowledge you're explaining some stuff now, so i'm going to take a look, but falcon's stuff just felt generally less performative to me

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:59 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:39 am
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:33 am Fwiw dizzy in regards to ur w/w tinfoil: because I think that’s a very reasonable thought to have since I don’t think W!alexa would ever say that to T!mac, so yeah imo if alexa is a wolf then I would almost always consider mac a wolf too after her flip so I like that you considered that and had that thought. That being said I think alexa is most likely just town and that comment came out during a moment of frustration
This could be. But I still think Mac is definitely in his scum range, and I haven't seen any town pointers from him yet.

Kind of surprised you have a confident read on me, but maybe that's just the stage of our relationship now lol
And then you go and post this. Idk. Maybe I'm just bad at reading you.
this is kinda towny though

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:54 pm Wilgy's recent posts where he actually explains reads are better i think

posts before it feel pretty limp, just questioning, then goes "this could be towny"

Later vote is just sheeping

So anyways, reading Alexa's ISO I was primarily confused with the post where she laments something about people not listening to her reads. Like, the main people pushing Wilgy... weren't her? And she also sheeped onto Wilgy before writing a bit more, though even that sparse imo, so the post about people disregarding her reads felt out of place in her ISO, and it felt like it would've come at the time Alexa decided to cut Wilgy loose and bus him rather than do the typical wolf things of limp questions and maybe a passive town read thrown out etc

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:20 pm i've literally had 100% correct reads like my past 4-5 games or something and people still think im a shit player and don't listen to my reads, i'm sorry if this sounds overly salty but it just makes me emotional, i think i had good things against Wilgy

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:27 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:53 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:50 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:25 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:49 pm nanook is outed mafia he's pushing towny wilgy who is an easy person to kill because he realizes that he flew too close to the sun with doing literally nothing this day that is useful as a wolf and now needs an out which is Wilgy easy push
Eh... Idk I don't think wolf nook pushes for me when they could've just as easily pushed Mac or FS.

I still think wolf nook resolves later.
@DrWilgy why do you think wolf book would avoid pushing u over mac or fs
When I flip, I could see alot more pressure coming out of it than the other two. I don't think W nook fights this fight just to get flipped d3.

If he latched onto Mac earlier or FS and they do go over, I think there'd be alot more shrugging and moving on.
wtf does this mean?

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:30 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:27 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:00 pm >Wilgy voting me after i capped is scummy AF, especially when he was talking about the scumread before that and didn’t vote me then. Also i just. Don’t think his posts are good. (still important)
Alright, bullshit again, how is that scummy when we had the entirety of pre 150 to discuss? you state yourself that I spoke about the scumread prior so it's not a magical thing that came out of 'oh alexa is at 150 that'll be a good place to vote.'

Also, what makes that wolfy? do you think my malicious plan was to vote you at 150 and push for you in hoping that you just wouldn't show up in the last hour?
why would you not vote me earlier then suddenly vote me after i'm capped and a legit wagon option?

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:36 pm i have wilgy's iso open and i still want to kill him, he feels extremely different, and i've read him accurately as town before

Alexa posts after the cap are aggressive in terms of Wilgy's alignment, pushing him a lot whatever

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:00 pm Ok so, i have 2 different interpretations of recent posts and it ~~~depends on if Wilgy is a wolf or not. I just like don’t want to condence it because I had sparks of “this is meaningful” with both (some things are c/p’d with both but i’ve been bored and rring recent posts and considering both lights)

Notes #1:

>#915 so Gira refuses to townread women, he’s the antibrad

>Wilgy voting me after i capped is scummy AF, especially when he was talking about the scumread before that. Also i just. Don’t think his posts are good.

>#926 “somewhat disappointed if you're town" to spf is kinda towny from Gira

>#930 yes Nanook does bus, the only game i’ve played with him/seen him as wolf, he bussed both his partners

Gira: why do you feel like SPF suspecting you and pushing you is >rand town?

God There is such a sick part of me tempted to fake a FOS on Gira so that he townreads me regardless of his alignment as he seems to consistently be doing this but lol, i think his recent posting is >rand V

BUT IM ALSO THINKING OF A W/W CONNECTION BETWEEN GIRA/WILGY SO NOW I’M RECONSIDERING IT LMAO

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Notes #2 (Confbias lens of Gira/Wilgy W/W):

>#915 so Gira refuses to townread women, he’s the antibrad (still important)

>Wilgy voting me after i capped is scummy AF, especially when he was talking about the scumread before that and didn’t vote me then. Also i just. Don’t think his posts are good. (still important)

>It feels like Gira is avoiding Wilgy to me in a way I feel could be W/W. like, he mentioned a lame townread on Wilgy early for no reason, then has not talked about it since or provided anything IRT a read since.

>#930 yes, Mac, Nanook does bus??? the only game i’ve played with him/seen him as wolf, he bussed both his partners

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Gira: why do you feel like SPF suspecting you and pushing you is >rand town?

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#966 ehhh this may not be S/S with wilgy though

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But, @Gira Why me wolf if Wilgy town over other people townreading Wilgy like Esooa and Alison?

Random Alexa thoughts from perusing through posts as you do

This post read really weirdly to me and I especialyl don't get the two catchup posts thing. Just a weird post imo

Fingersplits post

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:53 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:15 pm @fingersplints Towniest and most suss reads? What do you have so far?
My top town reads are Esooa and Falcon.
I think I’m liking Alison too but less than these two

Dr Wilgy reminding me of a previous town game, but I don’t remember wolf style and I feel like their playstyle could easily mask some ‘wolfiness’. Don’t plan on voting there for now anyways

I struggle with day 1 suspicions always. I think Alexa looks worst atm followed by illario but these aren’t strong suspicions

I didn't like this, said I didn't, at first because her reads felt stale. I didn't know what to make of it because they're... the same things she had posted since last time she was in thread, and so having the same thoughts is like fine, maybe even good, but it just felt like there was no thinking about stuff going on between this post and Fingers last appearance in thread. It wasn't something I was holding onto very strongly so Alexa

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:04 pm on review, fingersplints sounds really forced in fargo mafia (as mafia) compared to this game actually

i'm not really sure who i want to vote

Posts this, and I think it's a valid thought and though I don't really want to check Fingers meta myself, it seems congruous with what I'd expect. I don't know if I've looked at Fingers meta before, don't think I've seen her wolf game, but that's what I got from this, prompting me to post "I've decided, Finger is town"

I've played games where I play straight forward and explain all my thoughts and reads as they're relevant, and really all it does it get people wolf read. Being not wolf read is about playing the crowd, as either alignment. It's just boring and stupid and the fact that my experience is that the easiest way to play as either town or wolf is just post things people will like rather than thoughts about the game is extremely jading because I am here to talk about things (which is mafia) not put on an extremely easy to manipulate show to get sway

idk what you do but you certainly have a disposition towards pushing me as more wolfy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:59 am or I can bounce so you don't feel irritated by my existence

it's not you tbh I'm just personally insulted when you call me obvious wolf because you're supposed to be on my side in the simp wars but you wolf read people you respect instead of town read them so I cri

should prob just close the thread

I debated explaining my Alexa wolf read before remising about posts already made irt reading Alexa's Alignment and now I am over it again

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:50 am This may be a bad read but like, Esooa feels too overtly salty in the thread to me to be W/W with Wilgy, and like the fact that she was reading me in this way (as me not doing Obv Wolf stuff as wolf) makes me feel like she'd be aware of that kind of stuff as wolf herself so that the logic does actually apply to her

I also kinda gut townread her tone/emotions behind it anyways

well hydra season is super bad and I've been exhausted and was going to play zero more games for a bit but then was like eh I'll play coffee now it's also bad so I am salty as either alignment tbh and very easily for the same reasons as both

oh she just town read me I take that back (I didn't even read those posts at the time but now I don't want her to wolf read me so I never made my last post )

lol maybe Alexa is a wolf

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:34 pm I really don't wanna even approach a game state of wilgy being top wagon because nanook said "he's mafia lol" and then he got 4 votes like zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz what is even the point

pointed out here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:40 am I can understand why you are annoyed Eoosa. From the flip to the moment you entered the thread would suck to put up with as either alignment. I don't hold it against you. I don't feel bad about it but I get it.

I don't that much care about the flip

I signed out of hydra g10 for a reason, I'm over it in all aspects even outside of game

And have zero wim in playing mafia in any games so shrug

Alexa posting that even reminds I got some of the same reads

and it doesn't particularly matter what the cause is though obv this game it's more annoying, it's just "not enjoyable" to be around at all rn

so shrug, simply heavily regret clicking the signup button but that's over with now so I'm leaving and won't be posting more on the topic just giving reads as I care to later

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