The Syndicate

Also _.svs.makes.toms.ofnsense.

Going to Jersey with kitty will catch up on reading later. Getting my ass kicked at work.

Good luck fighters!

I'm prolly going to travel tonight too. Just haven't decided where.

Imma go with MR since he wants to fight and he was sad when he didn't get a vote before.

Hi new people. Lots of great ideas and stuff added here. Glad to see everyone!

I would be ok with fighting as well.

Hedgy if that's thebcasenyou can always come.back next.time!¹

Ok llama that makes sense. For some reason I was thinking we stayed or moved as a group.

I'm going to go ahead and vote to stay so that I don't forget to do it later.

also also also - I have little to no idea about this - but that word jumble in our hosts siggie is just begging to be descrambled. Are any of our players good at doing that sort of thing? I will try but I'll likely not get very far.

Keterman wrote:

Boogs wrote:Keterman I'm glad you're playing again. I hope you can give some good input in this game since you got replaced in Occultism. What are your thoughts on Llama, Keterman?

I still disagree with his logic (it doesn't help that his response to my argument was literally a joke) on staying here, and I'm a little surprised that most of the players so far are agreeing with him rather than me. If you're asking if I'm suspicious of him, I'm not. Or if I am, it's not a higher suspicion than anyone else. It is only Night 1 of a lengthy game and I've yet to develop any reads.

I'm surprised that SpaghettiEverywhere was surprised that we all voted for him. As llama said, those that volunteered could have ulterior motives, and because we don't know anything about what fighting is like, it was best to throw a virtual non-participant into the ring. If I was him, I would agree with that logic and would have no complaints about being the top candidate.

Sorry for my lenghty post - I had lots to catch up on.

And - I think it's the 8th rule of fight club that may sway me from the "move and see what's up theory" to the "stay home" theory - rule 8: if it's your first night at Fight Club you must fight. I can see the scenario where if we leave, it's our first night at the new fight club then - instead of one of us and one of them fighting - it's two of us fighting.

Also- if I read the other rules of fight club - no fight can happen here till boogs v. sgettie is settled. "fights are one at a time, fights happen as long as they need to."

also also - I have no idea how that fight is going down. I hope boogs and sgettie do though.

Keterman wrote:

Boogs wrote:Keterman I'm glad you're playing again. I hope you can give some good input in this game since you got replaced in Occultism. What are your thoughts on Llama, Keterman?

I still disagree with his logic (it doesn't help that his response to my argument was literally a joke) on staying here, and I'm a little surprised that most of the players so far are agreeing with him rather than me. If you're asking if I'm suspicious of him, I'm not. Or if I am, it's not a higher suspicion than anyone else. It is only Night 1 of a lengthy game and I've yet to develop any reads.

I'm surprised that SpaghettiEverywhere was surprised that we all voted for him. As llama said, those that volunteered could have ulterior motives, and because we don't know anything about what fighting is like, it was best to throw a virtual non-participant into the ring. If I was him, I would agree with that logic and would have no complaints about being the top candidate.

Not defending sgettie any more than I was defending llama - but I can see where he was coming from as well. Especially if he crammed reading on his phone while he's in the middle of no where.

I can see him reading the collecting of votes as a Day 1 everyone took the lame scapegoat and voted the guy who didn't show up as the day 1 lynch. I don't know that sgettie is seeing his votes any differently from what a typical day 1 lynch would be like. Does that make sense?

thellama73 wrote:

Keterman wrote:So it is the top two candidates that we voted for pitted against each other. Because of that, staying here seems like a bad idea. I imagine we would only lower our numbers without making any progress. Maybe not, but moving feels like much less of a risk at this point.

Isn't it reasonable to assume that other towns face exactly the same problem though? They will reduce their numbers as well, and some of them will doubtless move here.

I propose a Wilmington Alliance, where we stay here and then make the newcomers fight each other when they arrive.

I don't understand your thinking here. How is this any different from leaving? Are we assuming we'll have some sort of home field advantage over a fight we still haven't learned the details of? I'm assuming you're proposing a voting block? Which we would (I hope) have regardless of traveling or not. What am I missing?

Sorsha wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I just realized that I never saw this movie. I thought I did but I confused it with Snatch.

Those are not remotely the same movie.

They both have fighting and Brad Pitt in them! Other than that, I wouldn't know. I guess I'll have to watch Fight Club now.

It's a good flick - you'll enjoy it. I loved the book too. Even after seeing the movie, the book is worth the read. Also I've had this stuck in my head all day:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Keterman wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Sorry all to miss this vote. I had the two games aligned at 6pm in my brain. I voted new castle for our next destination .

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Is there any particular reason you chose New Castle?

Yep, beer.

Ok, now that i have caught up, I would have voted spaghetti most likely as well. Interesting that we are pitted against each other. i dont like that either, but then agin even though we have been. Put into teams, the civs still have a separate objective from project mayhem right? Although some good points were made about traditional roles being differnet this game. I dont know what devein means about trusting all of us at this time, but i saw this movie a long time ago.

Lol - I thought Beer too when I first read it. Then I was all. NO! NOT NEW CASTLE THIS PLACE. THE BEER'S ENGLISH!!!!

Keterman wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Keterman wrote:So it is the top two candidates that we voted for pitted against each other. Because of that, staying here seems like a bad idea. I imagine we would only lower our numbers without making any progress. Maybe not, but moving feels like much less of a risk at this point.

Isn't it reasonable to assume that other towns face exactly the same problem though? They will reduce their numbers as well, and some of them will doubtless move here.

I propose a Wilmington Alliance, where we stay here and then make the newcomers fight each other when they arrive.

I don't see how staying here will make us stronger though. If we become the number one town for all of the fights to occur, then okay. But the other towns have an equal chance of that happening, so staying here doesn't automatically make us the best town. Assuming that the other towns have the same amount of knowledge as we do, it's not unlikely that someone proposes the same argument that you did in each town. Then no one moves, and the numbers are reduced in each town, which I imagine can't be a good thing. If we move, we will either confirm that the towns are equal or confirm that they are not, which is helpful information in either case. It's also likely that we will gain some other information that will help us. By staying here, it's too likely that we remain at Square 1 as far as what we need to know to progress. I agree that it would be nice to form an alliance, but I think it's too early to go along with such a proposal. We still don't know what fighting is in this game.

There's some solid reasoning here. Especially the bolded bits.

thellama73 wrote:

Keterman wrote:Assuming that the other towns have the same amount of knowledge as we do, it's not unlikely that someone proposes the same argument that you did in each town. Then no one moves, and the numbers are reduced in each town, which I imagine can't be a good thing.

No. No one else has a mind that works like mine. I assure you I am the only one to come up with the alliance plan.

We have a pretty trickstery and wide spread player list. I believe Black Rock and Long Con are playing this as well? Never say never my friend.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Responding to a couple of people on page 2:
I never said I thought we were all on the same team, only that I believe that I can trust everyone here for the time being. Obviously if my suspicion is correct, a lot of us could be recruited eventually. So I am keeping my distance. Keep in mind that this is far from a typical Mafia game. That being said, this is a typical Sock game

Devin - I agree with you lots. I think at the LEAST until tonight is over, we are all pretty trustworthy. I think it was sorsha? maybe? who said something about seeing a recruiter and a police person in each thread. I think that people *with* roles are spread out among the threads for sure, but yes. I agree - here and now - we are all fairly face value. After tonight though, I don't know. I can't believe that Tyler could recruit to project mayham from *every* thread - but who knows? It's a dice role. You put it best. It's not a typical mafia game, but it is a typical Socky game.

At the moment, I'm firm in believing that most of us are vanilla civs. One or two of us may have a role. Someone *could* be Tyler. The Police/Martha/and Narrator are all aligned. All the civ's have to do is stay alive.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I'm going to have to agree with llama on this one. I would feel much better about staying here and taking on any new comers.
*Votes to Stay*

Aaaand now I am not sure I agree. How is staying here giving us any kind of advantage? presumably everyone else in every other thread have two people fighting as well. So if someone comes here, their numbers will be the same as ours. How is staying or going giving us any sort of advantage at this point?

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:Whoever decided to listen to llama is ridiculous. Why would you vote for someone who isnt here when there are clearly people who want to be voted for? Im sorry I wasnt here to respond. Im currently in the middle of rural new york helping rebuild homes for poor people. I have no access to a computer and very limited access of my phone in which I have to check mafia.

Sgettie!!!! Really? You're doing that!! AWESOME!!! I seriously can't say how proud of you that makes me right now. Good on you!!

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:And if I end up dying here then you will all be sorely disappointed. I dont know if boogs is bad and im sorry boogs if youre good and you end up dying. In any case I think we should all look at llama next and I dont know what any of these poll options mean so im just gonna choose a random one I think

I know you have limited access, but this is an atypical game. We're not sure yet if "fighting" = lynch or not. We aren't sure what's going on. I'm not by any means defending llama, but you must take a few minutes and look back at what's been discussed and see that this is not going to be a typical game with vote=lynch during the day. You became a guinie pig I guess because llama and others felt it was less of a risk to throw out someone who hadn't checked in yet. Have you seen the movie? Or read the book? I think this may be one of the few mafia instences where some background knowlege of the theme will be helpful to playing the game.

Boogs wrote:Yay Spaghetti you're in the game now Yes, that tricky Llama needs to be examined. I hope you don't beat a poor little kitty like me in a fight. I have to say though, I haven't played with a few of these people before so I'm not sure I know how I feel about them yet.

I've been liking Keter's thinking thus far. I'm stealing rox's name shortening because I hear (the kinght's who say) Ni - I've not played with her before and am just kinda seeing her around the forum. She's still very new to me. I think I've played with everyone else at least once before.

And my thing to sgettie about background knowlege made me go look this up:

“Welcome to Fight Club. The first rule of Fight Club is: you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is: you DO NOT talk about Fight Club! Third rule of Fight Club: if someone yells “stop!”, goes limp, or taps out, the fight is over. Fourth rule: only two guys to a fight. Fifth rule: one fight at a time, fellas. Sixth rule: the fights are bare knuckle. No shirt, no shoes, no weapons. Seventh rule: fights will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.”

I think maybe now I see an advantage to staying home? If we move, it might be our first night at Fight Club there. Then it would be two of us that had to fight. Is that what you were thinking llama?

linkie - boogsy - I'm still worried that the actual "fight" will be what makes someone die. I don't remember seeing anyone with an NK ability in the role list (though I may have forgotten it.)

Efffffff took too long typing.

Going with boggs. He volunteered and I have no reason to be any more wary of him than anyone else at this point.

Meter = keter

Sorsha the blackberry had the broken return key. I kinda miss that.piece.of.crap. this one is touch screen and I have.fat fingers.

Looks like meter voted sgetti as.well. I don't know that.we will learn much if we vote a no show. (Ie _ if its a contest sort of thing, its easier to see it when 2 people are contributing.) And b as sorsha said - if we will be.penalized as a group if our fighter doesn't win.

I never said anything about a tie. my.periods were.because I'm at work and on my cell. I'm too time pressed to be.passed.to.fix it from my phone.

Llama _ because I don't want to do it at the moment. And we have little.to.go on as far as what will happen. Call it a champion call it a sacrificial Lamb. I get paranoia but the numbers favor the blind civs at this point so I doubt its likely we would give a benifit to someone nafarious. I could vote you too.

welcome boogs. So - we have keter and boogsy who volunteer. And llama and rox using secret criteria. 8 hours till the poll ends. I have to work but I will check in later and vote. My vote will prolly go to one of the volunteers.

oh also - I finished reading the sign up thread - and I'm glad I did - because I have more information. There are 30 civilians and 5 policemen. Since Sorsha asked the question, I'm sure she already knows this. And I'm sure llama and hedgie are through and knew that too. But I just clicked on the sign-up thread so the sub forum would quit telling me there were new posts in this thread. And I learned things. So I shared them.

Keterman wrote:Noted, thank you. Do you think it would make more sense for Tyler to be a rogue role or a mafia role? Or something in between?

I don't know?

Just looking at the role list - we have Narrator, Marla and Policemen in one color which would suggest that they have similar goals. Is that a mafia team?

Civilians are an entity all of their own (and where the majority of the numbers are) - but they (and the policemen) can be recruited to project mayhem.

And There's Tyler. Recruiting recruiting and recruiting. It's hard to say if he's mafia or if he's rouge or something else.


I think the very point of the game was to take terms like civ and scum and chuck them right the eff out the window.

Ahh - a new site I didn't know about that mafias. Makes sense though that we'd all find each other. There's lots of music lovers here.

Having played I think (? - I may have missed one but I doubt it) every game this host has ever hosted, I would be surprised if any of us knew what's coming after this vote except maybe Tyler. Tyler is the one role that I could see as knowing almost as much as the host.

Socky really likes to mess with his players.

We have our own moments of blood thirsty here as well.

nijuu - I believe you are new to me as well I look forward to hearing what you have to say.

As well as sgettie! I've not seen you in like a zillion years! And hedgie!!!! <3 And roxy And that late comer Devin. How's it sir?

keter? Are you ok with me shortening your name like that? I want to make it Kete but I think that would be confusing with the player Kate. - anyway -

Are you from Ksite? I played laura's Hunger Games game there. But admittedly haven't been keeping up with the site since then.

Our host is the Admin so he can do pretty much whatever he wants

As far as who to look for as a Champion - having no idea what they are facing, I have no idea which qualities would be most desireable. And I can see the voting patterns of who to vote for as the game progresses change as the game develops.

Here's how I'm standing. I'm a civ. All I have to do is survive to the end. At this point in the game, there are only like 4/5? roles and some poliece whom I can't figure out if they are like "mafia" yet or not? I'm assuming that most if not all of you are in the same boat I'm in. As days and nights progress and as people may or my not be recruited to Project Mayham by Tyler, I can see voting in these rounds changing. But for now, I want to believe the best in all of us. So I'd rather vote for someone who will stay alive in a fight. Ya know?

Sorry to see FZ go. But Yay!!! Roxy!!!

Keterman wrote:It's also interesting that our selection of who to vote for today is of only ten people. Are those not listed as alive (or dead) also not allowed to post? This game is far too complex for me to try and decipher what MovingPictures07 is trying to do here with the gameplay, so instead I'm just raising questions that could spark veteran players' ideas that could help.

"Decide who to fight" is all we have to go on in determining what to do here. I think we need to decide a good guess as to what it means before we get into who we're going to pick. Traditional mafia suggests a day vote is to lynch scum. How often does this website deviate from that norm I would like to know? In any case it's not out of the question that for a setup this radical there might be a deviation that extreme, in that who we vote for in the day might not be lynched or even someone we want to be lynched per say, and as Sorsha suggested it might even be something we could experiment with positively without even having to point fingers. A "campaign" is also suggested by Sorsha. That seems like a strange idea given that there isn't a hint of confirmation that being chosen to fight is something to be desired in this game, but I can understand (and relate to) the curiosity. How would a campaign go about, though?

Beaten: Welcome Rox!

Hi Keterman! I don't think we've met before so, it's nice to meet you and play with you.

As far as deviating from the standard day lynch = scum hunting, the site as a whole doesn't really differentiate from that too often, but the hosts here have LOTS of freedom to construct and deconstruct their particular games however they want. Typically a Day 0 voting event has been happening a lot where no lynch takes place but a vote happens and sometimes or not someone gets a prize or not and it gives people a basis for discussion come Day 1.

Our particular host is known for deconstructing what happens mechanically in his games. No two are ever exactly the same. You can't always rely on the traditional patterns. I think at this point in the game, that the winner of our poll will have to fight the winner of another town's poll. I have NO idea what fighting will entail, but I do think that it's likely that the person that doesn't win the fight will be "lynched." It could be the completion of a host challenge, it could be something they have to do in the thread, it could be ....well... darn near anything really.


I think Sorsha herself cleared up your questions regarding her.

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Hey game! This is an exciting start!

Llama, which hometown? Past, current?

I have no idea about who to pick. Does anybody besides Sorsha want to volunteer?

I meant the town that is the name of this thread. Does nobody read the name of the thread but me?

I did.

I think you're on to something here llama. It makes Socky's "shiney new subforum to play in" comment make a lot more sense as well. I'd go so far as to say that the other players are in other threads per their home town. Sorta like how LOST was on rev at the start of the game. Rox, Sorsha did you play that one?

For everyone else: People were split up into which section of the plane they crashed with - the beach people, the tailes and so on. The baddies were dispursed amongst the sub sections. There was also a baddy "otherton" thread if I remember correctly? And a dead thread that could see both civ threads once they had died.

I think we are voting for a Champion here. I plan on voting for whom a) wants to be voted for and/or b) whom I think would likely win against any of the other players in some random challenge.

So Sorsha may or may not want to step up to the plate? Does anyone else feel particularly inclined or not inclined to do so?

I personally, on Day 1, do not feel so inclined. I do not know what "fighting" entails yet and I know I have *very* limited time this weekend. And honestly like the next 14 days in Bea land aren't pretty, but once we get a feel for what "fighting" is I would have something more solid to work with schedule wise. What is it about work that will give me a month and a half of a completely predictable schedule then as soon as an epic game I want to play actually starts? It's bat shit crazy again? I was lent out to other stores this next week and only have 1 day off. The following week my boss is taking 9 days off in which I will be responsible for running the show day to day till he comes back from vaca. So..um...this would be a really bad time to nominate me to "fight" if fighting is like a posting challenge or something like that. Ya know?