The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:I like the episode where Romo Lampkin does... uhm... yeah.

He is one of my most favorite characters. When I signed up for this game I gave Golden a "dibs on" list as a joke. He was on it.

Mark Sheppard is amazing.

Yea. Sorry. I didn't explain that very well lc. :/. I thought it was you were Starbuck or bad. Lol. Not and. I was willing to wait in case it was the former. I also thought for a long time that zeebs and wigly were Baltar and 6. So shows what I know about anything....

Long Con wrote:...and honestly, now that the game is over... what was up with suspecting me for stealing a Sortie away from the 'Plan' to make a point?

Please tell me that it was only baddies that were going with that angle.

I can tell you about why I didn't vote for you even though I was fairly positive I didn't want you around.

I have no idea about the PLAN. I'm not typically a player who gets included in those sorts of things.

But when you and svs were going round and round. You kept accusing her of role playing. So much so that I thought you were accusing her of roleplaying so much because your shenanigans with the sorties was you role playing. And you were begging for more time to prove yourself. And in my head cannon, without knowing Cain or that you would eventually die anyway, my thought was "who bucks authority at every turn and is still a civ? Fuck. I can't lynch my lady Starbuck."

So FWIW to you and the rest that might wonder why I didn't vote you when it was "completely obvious" you were Cain- that's where my personal head was.

And I was kinda shocked when svs was proven right. It gave her cred for me because I hated Cain as a character. I didn't want to lynch epi to win. I LOVED my win with all cylons who aren't aligned with Cavil win as civs. I was dumb and blind for not seeing that she was fucking Cavil till I was already mostly dead. At that point comic con and my hubby were pulling my cares

Epignosis wrote:Epignosis gets the role where he's good and trying his damnedest but people think he's bad the whole time regardless...

I never thought you were bad.

Golden wrote:One other thing I meant to mention...

I feel like the random gods were shining down on me when I randomised the roles.

Rico has a role highlighting pedantry
Long Con gets a grand epic role that allows him to tell a story with it
Vompatti gets a role where his votes count negative, highlighting an appearance of randomness even further (that was before he even then went and got executed for treason!)
Indiglo gets one of her favourite characters
Matt gets a character where he literally cannot be silenced
Jay gets a role where he is the genuine 'leader of the town'.

I can't remember if there were others, but it was pretty neat.

I was not starbuck but I got to be married to her...

For realzies - I was all "the best part of my role is I mary Starbuck."

*waves* hi matt!!!

so say we all....

My movie starts in 10 minutes and won't be over till post lynch which means I'm voting now. Sucks as I feel like I should hold on to it for defensive reasons.

I'm not feeling great about making it out of this lynch. I'm sorry I let you down fellow civs.

My biggest town reads are epi, svs Matt inh and gman.
Polo and drumbeat would be next teir.

I could see the potential for bad in anyone else. Like I said I thought a thing about Wilgy and Wabbit when he was zeebs but I also admit it could have been an incorrect read.

Voting sig It's the best I've got. Which admittedly isn't all that great.

Epignosis wrote:
bea wrote:Svs - I remember addressing you early on. Outside of what others have said, and not being pouty enough is there something I've missed? Direct me and I will answer. I've taken the fact that you do have doubts about me as a sign that you were trustworthy. I know that seems weird but it is what it is.

Epi - there was a back and forth just before the Wilgy lynch where she and he both read me as civ and said they agreed with me. Then Wilgy said something along the lines of it being unusual that he and zeebs agree. She said "i know it's a magical game. " or something along the lines of that. Right before the Wilgy lynch I said something clicked for me. That was it. I could be wrong for sure but it felt like bts of the human and cylon kind.

That's it that's what I saw.
I appreciate your answer bea, but it doesn't mitigate my opinion of rabbit.

What do you think of my accusation toward him?

Wabbit seems like wabbit. It's hard to catch him bad or good. Little if anything he's said in the thread is allignment inductive in my opinion. You make as good a case as anyone can on him.

Rico. I still genuinely feel bad about my role in Nero's lynch. My change in stance was because I was trying to learn from my mistakes in that lynch. I would have likely voted glor had my RL I had to go to work early to fire a dude got in the way. Believe what you will, but it's the gods honest truth. I can't explain it any differently than I have.

Svs - I remember addressing you early on. Outside of what others have said, and not being pouty enough is there something I've missed? Direct me and I will answer. I've taken the fact that you do have doubts about me as a sign that you were trustworthy. I know that seems weird but it is what it is.

Epi - there was a back and forth just before the Wilgy lynch where she and he both read me as civ and said they agreed with me. Then Wilgy said something along the lines of it being unusual that he and zeebs agree. She said "i know it's a magical game. " or something along the lines of that. Right before the Wilgy lynch I said something clicked for me. That was it. I could be wrong for sure but it felt like bts of the human and cylon kind.

That's it that's what I saw.

Svs - I remember addressing you early on. Outside of what others have said, and not being pouty enough is there something I've missed? Direct me and I will answer. I've taken the fact that you do have doubts about me as a sign that you were trustworthy. I know that seems weird but it is what it is.

Epi - there was a back and forth just before the Wilgy lynch where she and he both read me as civ and said they agreed with me. Then Wilgy said something along the lines of it being unusual that he and zeebs agree. She said "i know it's a magical game. " or something along the lines of that. Right before the Wilgy lynch I said something clicked for me. That was it. I could be wrong for sure but it felt like bts of the human and cylon kind.

That's it that's what I saw.

Rico I know I look thread bad. I get it. But I'm not. I invite you and everyone else to look at Roger rabbit speed mafia and rocky bullwinkle speed mafia. Compare them both. Which do I read more like in this game.

I'm not having a good game. But I'm not mafia and I'm not a cylon. Just a human with cylon sympathies. If I'm lynched and you see my role you'd even be hard pressed to find lore reasons to think I could be bad.

Yes oa. I've been playing for years. Time does not = skill.

Wilgy.

Gah. Epi that post was in response to your question not jj. Sorry. Nub bea strikes again. I'm about to donate blood for the first time. Yikes!

JJJ it was how she treated me and another player back when I made the comment about how it was weird that she was agreeing with me so much. I'm on my phone so it's hard to pull stuff but that's where my head has been. It was pretty wigly lynch. I hope that helps.

Rico - ok. I admit. I've lost why anyone thinks he's suspicious. I didn't think he was bad for refusing to claim. His stance that no one should claim felt more genuine than oa's everyone but me claim. Someone highlight what was bad about him again please cuz I don't see it.

Svs - I got the civ feel from her early in the game and I've seen no reason to change this opinion. I'm confused by what she mentioned by I would have guilted her more by now. But yea. I think she is a civ. I respect her opinion and have agreed with her lots this game.

Sig - zeebs thought he was bad. Wabbit still does. He seems to only pop up when mentioned. I know he's busy and I know he's tricky to read. If someone can make a case for how he is Leboan or six I will listen but he feels like the best bet at Doval or Cavil that I can see.

Sok - trying and reading fairly genuine. I get weird vibes from him at times not sure if that's cuz he's new and I'm just getting to know him or if there is something more.

I believe we are down to two bad cylons. I've been working under the assumption that the lynch of those two will end the game.

I'm in and out today. It's day 1 of comic con. My phone is already at 77 percent.

Ok on the road reads:

Bea - nub town.
Br - I thought check was civ the first few days. Since then I've forgotten she was playing more than once. Like I have to remind myself often nope. She's still here. That kinda makes me nervous.

Drumbeat- I'm having a tough time with him. When he's not here, I feel like I think he might be bad, then when he posts his posts feel pretty civ.

Dr Wilgy - he's a cylon. I belive a good one. I thought I had an idea as to which one but I might be mistaken.

Epi - athena. I got the good feels here.

Gman - reminding me lots of the meticulous note taker I came to love when he was 813. I've seen nothing that makes me suspect him.

Inh - used to be silver so I've been reading him as civ. Still would like to see more from him. I know he can be a very skilled player dispite his rep for the beyond zany.

Jimmy - reads like Jimmy to me. I feel like he is likely civ.

Matt - despite my paranoia at times with him, I can't shake the feeling he has a particular civ role. I think his heart is in the right place.

OA - honestly she is an enigma to me. I'm having a hard time coming to a decision about her intentions and this late in the game that feels important.

Polo - his tunnel on SVS worried me. Other than that he's been pretty civ minded from what I remember.

Wabbit- I had a role penciled in for zeebs. Even though he's wrong about me, I don't think he's bad. Just looking in the wrong place.

Will get the rest out when I'm in line.

Some general listy reads coming as soon as I get dressed. Hubby is pushing me to get moving.

Yup. I've totally got a Crap voting record. And my posting is erratic based on a totally wonky work schedule and trying to squeeze some time in with the hubby.

I'm still not bad. Just a nub player.

Sigh = sig in my previous post btw. Phone...

Believe it or not that actually helps my paranoia that you think I'm bad to keep me distracted from you being bad.

If that makes sense? It does to me anyway.

Matt wrote:Epi, SVS, Rico, bea, Black Rock

Can I get your opinions on INH and sig?

For my part, I lean civ on INH cuz of Silvy, and slightly bad on sig because of Glorfy. However, aforementioned barrels of WIFOM have me going back and forth on sig. Derp.

Thank you!

Civ on inh but more cuz of silver than anything he's done since replacing in.

Sigh I'm ?. Zeebs suspected him pretty hard. Protect could have been prize related. Was he around for the trivia contest? I don't remember. I'm on my phone and on my way to work.

My curiosity is what wabbit thinks of sig. Zeebs was agreeing with me long before I agreed with her. Wabbit has 180ed on me since joining in. I'm curious as to if he has the same or different feels on sig as zeebs did.

Also belated so say we all....though I'm sure that ship has sailed.

And rip big bro. I assure you I had nothing to do with it.

I'm not. You are all equally in error on this point.

rabbit8 wrote:Good for you? Seems pointless to try to get a reaction from someone you think is goods. But hey, go for it.

I want Bea lynched and I think you're bad. Seems like those two things go hand in hand. Your read on Glorf is 100% irrelevant. Your defense of Bea is not.

Only catch here is you are going to have to reevaluate everything once I flip the way I say I'm going to. Cuz I ain't the baddie you are looking for.

I'm sorry that you think I'm bad big brother. I'm not the same hv bea. I'm often behind now. I often miss more votes than I want. It's the reality of the life I have now and my responsibilities to my job.

I understand I look bad. I understand why you think what you think. I have very little in defense to say to counter it. I've been doing the best I can and I know that's not been very good.

But lynching me will just mean you are lynching what I have always claimed to be. A human who believes some cylons can be good.

Since you brought up meta I would say my game play in this game has been more Roger rabbit than rocky and bullwinkle. Feel free to read them both and make up your own mind.

Polo wrote:
bea wrote:I thought just dovel and cavil?
By Dovel you mean Doral?

And isn't Conoy mafia?

Yes - doral - I'm sorry - it's the very end of a very long and and emotionally stressful day.

By conoy I assume you mean Cavil? Yes. Evil and mafia are the same thing to me. Are they not to you?

OK - I'm going to bed if I'm making this many mistakes and such.

I thought just dovel and cavil?

I had/have Baltar and six penciled in as other peeps.

Maybe not a great look jj, but it is what it is. I was trying to be open minded and give everyone a fair shake. Real life kept me from voting when I intended on voting.

I have not played the game I wanted to play. But I am not bad. Just a nub.

So say we all.

I'm so sorry I missed the vote. I had work issues blow up again unexpectedly. (Had to fire someone today during the time I planned to vote.) This was the first chance I have had to break away.

Glor. You played a great game. While I still have a difficult time seeing boomer as for the human and civ cylons you have made me reconsider how I've been approaching the game. I actually thought you would flip dovil from how you were talking.

Glor I get what you are saying. It's possible that the bad guys do not follow show 100 percent. Here's my continued hang up. If not that way, how are they formed?

In the same way I have a hard time seeing athena as anything but for the humans, I have a hard time seeing boomer as anything but in Cavil's faction because it goes drastically against her character in a way that doesn't make sense given the amount of care our host has put into keeping the flavor of the theme true.

If everything you say is true, I'm not sure how Cavil is getting a faction and I'm sure Cavil isn't working for anyone but himself and his own.

Glor - I get that you're frustrated but I am trying to understand you. I'm not being willfully ignorant. I'm trying to open my mind and my expectations. I'm trying to balance my knowledge of the show with the actual game. I'm trying to use both pieces of information together to come to the best possible decision in a semi-closed set up with little information.

I am not the biggest fan of in the world of polo's vote and I said as much when he made it. I'm not sure why svs isn't more up in arms about it tbh.

I'm doing the best I can. I'm sorry if I'm missing something so blatantly obvious to. I often do. I earned my name Queen Nub. You note *I* haven't voted yet? You know why? Because I am trying to understand.

lol INH. You left out squirrel baby.

Or maybe I'm not asking that correctly. Why is his concussion about your potential role incorrect? I think that's the more accurate question.

What is wrong in the thinking epi has about your posts he pulled?

aaaannnd dex beat me to it.

Epignosis wrote:For those who do not understand my post:

Day 1, Glorfindel proposed that green names were good and red names were bad. His theory.

Cavil, Doral, Boomer, and Athena were green names.

Conoy, Biers, O'Neill, and Six were red names.

Glorfindel is a Cylon, so the question is, which one is he?

He would not be claiming his own role to be evil, so that rules out Conoy and Six.

That means Glorfindel is Cavil, Doral, or Boomer.

Are any of those Cylons good Cylons?

In terms of the show itself - Cavil is Cavil. Doral was part of Cavil's faction during the cylon conflict. Boomer was the only model 8 to side with Cavil. All other 8's were part of the cylon rebellion against Cavil except Athena who was an officer on Galactica.

In terms of the game and making a potentially dangerous attempt to try to guess at secret things only the host knows for 100 percent - I would say the only bit of wiggle room allowed here is if there is somehow more 8 models than Athena and Boomer. Does that help any?

Glor. I'm reading what you say. And I'm trying to get what you are saying. My only question is a simple one. If not you then who do we lynch and why?

Those who advocate lynching you have been very vocal about why they want to do so. What do you offer in return that is most likely to net us a bad guy rather than your lynch?

Tomorrow would be perfect for me golden. Idk about those who travel though.

@gman I get what you are saying. I was having a hard time cross referencing. I'm sure the error was in the user. (Ie me) I appricate your explaination.

I was leaning another way with your role playing comments and also your comments about death to all cylons and their sympathizers comments *while* role playing - but yea. You've been a bit shady for a while matt. And it worries me.

Matt wrote:
bea wrote:psst? where did you ever come up with the idea that Cavil could recruit?

Just curious. You've mentioned this idea more than once and I'm not sure where it came from.

linki -matt - I do know. I've one more day of day shift then 4 days of night shift then vaca and comic con. Also - yea - some people think I'm bad.

I'm unsure why and no one wants to talk to me about why they think I'm bad. I've responded to them, they don't answer. Doesn't that seem weird?

Also - no I'm not bad. I'm ALWAYS as I've claimed to be - a human with cylon sympathies. Does that make me bad to you? Do you think that might be why others think I'm bad?
Ah, the recruiting thing is probably one of the more "unhelpful" thoughts I have. I'm not even sure I came up it, I didn't think I did to be honest. Just saying in case he can, though.

Comic con!!

I haven't really been following the case on you. I thought it had to do with you and nutella, tho, or you and Lorab, or you and SVS. Lol. Maybe cuz you wouldn't claim?

Linki - Deserve getting poked. Derp.

KK - so you don't know where you got the idea that Cavil could recruit. You have no idea about the case against me. You are just gone from day 1-4 super civ to day 6

I know busy - for sure - but you know - if the shoe here was on my foot - what would you say about me if I were doing what you are doing?

also - rico - wabbit did make a big post about me. I responded to it - I thought - and again - no one answers me - what's a girl to think?

Matt wrote:Rico haha. I was just thinking about Talking Heads and how insane I got over you not properly...god I don't even remember what it was but I felt you were purposely messing up the Day 0 challenge haha. That was my first game back after two years and it was fun meeting you that way.

Oh, btw, that was kinda in response to Bea calling Rico an instigator. I probably deserve it bea.

deserve what matt?

linki - thanks rico - I will iso them in the am then. I'm sorry - it from memory felt out of left field.

Polo wrote:I am standing by my word and I'm going to vote now: vote S~V~S.
I
I'm perfectly fine with a Glorfindel lynch and I endorse it too, but I'll try to convince you all to vote for S~V~S.

I have to say wait wot?? You just mention that you find her evol at the start of the day - you give NO reason for thinking it - vote her and say "I'll come back later and explain and hopefully convince you."

Sir - I'm sorry but the burden of proof is on you here. From where I sit the way to do this at the beginning of the day phase is to actually present a case - then vote.

From where I sit - you can comfortably endorse or not endorse a glor lynch at this point depending on what the wind says - and also - maybe make a case that svs is bad and no matter how weak said case is - you can say "well I stood by my beliefs before I stated why I believed them." I can't possibly be bad for that.

THIS right here makes me suspish of you. Not that you suspect svs - that you said you thought she was bad, made no attempt to make a case on her- maybe promised it later - and expect that maybe you will convince the rest of us. like less than 12 hours into a 48 hour cycle. This at BEST implys you have info and are doing it the wrong way. By my standing at worst it means you are trying to throw shade and hoping eveyone will gloss over and roll with it.

Please tell me where I'm wrong because tbh, I dislike both those scenarios.

Matt wrote:So Say We All

QUESTION for 3J

Exactly how many times have you missed the salute of "So Say We All" ?

To the Admiral

Epignosis - I'm going to lean town on Epi but he gives me the heebies. I think if Cavil can recruit, which isn't a certainty but still, if he can...then Epi would be the perfect player to recruit. Epi also avoided my True Identity Act idea, and when asked on it, said "Doesn't matter what I think". Hrm. Still...town.

DrWilgy - I think it was in my massive catch up when apparently there was some super idea about Wilgy being civilian and I must've missed it. Oh well. Bad. Tbh I never know about Wilgy, but default is bad.

Glorfindel - sig coming in here and saying nothing but pretty much "yep totes 3J that's why I think Glorfy's town"...yeah if sig is Gaius then I think Glorfy is town. If sig is not Gaius, then they're bad together? Town tho.

@Dex - I do like to come up with ideas. Derp.

psst? where did you ever come up with the idea that Cavil could recruit?

Just curious. You've mentioned this idea more than once and I'm not sure where it came from.

linki -matt - I do know. I've one more day of day shift then 4 days of night shift then vaca and comic con. Also - yea - some people think I'm bad.

I'm unsure why and no one wants to talk to me about why they think I'm bad. I've responded to them, they don't answer. Doesn't that seem weird?

Also - no I'm not bad. I'm ALWAYS as I've claimed to be - a human with cylon sympathies. Does that make me bad to you? Do you think that might be why others think I'm bad?

Ricochet wrote:
bea wrote:
Dex wrote:All Along the Watchtower.

Just testing.
there must be some way out of here....

not test fulfilled so much as wishful thinking.
Keep not being bad K? Cuz you being civ is important to how I see the game k?
What does this mean? Can Dex "stop" "not being bad"?

No dex can't stop or start doing anything that's not in his role card nature. That was more my wishful "please don't be anything more than what I think you are especially as people are starting to say you might be bad and that concerns me." - ya dig?

I think dex gets it even if you don't.

right?

also - polo - this is not saying I don't trust you - just me saying I need more than someone saying they think svs is bad for me to go against my gut on someone I've known years, hope fully to someday be able to read and each game think I might be getting closer - ya know?

linki - rico you are an instigator. CLAIM NOW RICO OR I LYNCH YOU AT DAY BREAK! (feel better now?)

Polo wrote:SO say we all!!!

Dex wrote:I'm off to the ballpark to catch a game and won't be back before game-dawn, so I just wanted to make an if-I-die-before-I-wake post.

My intention is to look to players particularly hostile and aggressive towards anti-Cavil cylons, Epi, LoRab and Wilgy. It looks to me like the Cavil cylons have a particular interest in killing them, like they may not need to kill all the humans, but they definitely need to kill them.

There were technically four non-claimers when the Cylon Amnesty law was repealed, but practically only two. Epi doesn't count because why bother, and Vomp doesn't count because Vomp. That leaves Rico and Obscure, both of which I am highly suspicious of. Rico wouldn't declare because it was somehow not in the best civ interests for him to claim unless he was the last one to do it, which was never going to happen. Obscure wouldn't declare out of fear of punishment for triggering an event, which is balderdash.

My strongest civ reads are Insert (based largely on Silver's play), S~V~S, and the Marmot. Protect and nourish them.

I would add Matt to that list, but some of his ideas, for example that sig/glorf = Gaius/Cap 6 are unhelpful. I don't think he's being malevolent; I just think he likes coming up with ideas. I would include Polo except for his focused insistence that we should kill Cavil before Cain, even though we have no idea who Cavil is and even after Cain was already dead. And I'd have included Drum except for his Ahabish need to kill Wilgy.

Finally, please do not let up on lynching Glorfindel tomorrow.

SVS is my strongest mafia read.

why? I've been town reading her for 6 days so if I've effed up my reads, Imma need some detailed explanations of exactly how I've been wrong.

*waves* speak of the devil - hi matt -how's it?

Dex wrote:All Along the Watchtower.

Just testing.

there must be some way out of here....

not test fulfilled so much as wishful thinking.
Keep not being bad K? Cuz you being civ is important to how I see the game k?

Dex - again. Explain it to me like I'm dumb
Cuz I really . Why Wilgy civ and not glor? What am I missing?

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