The Syndicate

Scotty wrote:
bea wrote:I was just always wrong then with all my increased votes?

who was the dundler mifflin rep?
That was me, bea.

Please don't be mad at me. I feel horrible and manipulative and I would never behave like that outside of the game.

Little did you know I had an item so my vote really was worth more. No mad from me. I was too stressed Irl to have my head in this game.

I was just always wrong then with all my increased votes?

who was the dundler mifflin rep?

it is very good. The hubby is all about the community atm. and I've been stuck watching west wing for the 11tybillionth time, but yea. I will be rewatching again for the like 10th time soon because of this game.

And the hell of running two stores is officially over today and I have the next two days off I was going to finally get to be around.

Ya'll hate me.

Oh well, I guess some other area of the interwebs will be party to my 2 day drink to forget fest! Go civs!!

Scotty.

Well fuck. I'm sorry th.

that's what I get for going against my gut.

I still have a civ role in mind for epi that isn't Pam. Unless I'm dumb. Which is likely.

Epi do you think drumbeats is bad or just following bad theory? If you gave me the botd and allowed that I could be civ, who else would you like to see looked at?

Drumbeats - besides epi, who else do you think is bad and why?

As for the poll, I'm torn between Scotty and indi. I'd love to see wabbit back cuz his ass kicking is what we deserve, but who knows if he's been keeping up....

Going with th since no one seems to have a viable other option but me and I know I'm civ.

Drumbeats. I get where you are coming from. I really do.

But then he says something like that and I start thinking it's not the best option. I don't want to cast doubt so much as be sure. Is it possible that what you think you know could have been corrupted?

Is it possible TH isn't the baddie you are looking for? If that is possible, where else would we look? Again, I just want to be sure we've explored everything. My time is super limited and I might not make it back till it's time to vote. I want to make the most informed vote I can.

I'm so sorry I've not been the player I wanted to be civs. It's so very not cool in my world atm. 2 members of my adopted second staff went to my boss yesterday cuz apparently I suck. I'm a bit emo and over worked and under rested and I've asked more of my staff to help the ungrateful new kids than I ever asked of them. Ftr my boss only told me because he thought I would laugh about it. But the truth is I'm pressed to find a time my feelings have been more hurt in recent memory.

rip inh.

I'm not bad. I'm overworked and have no free time. Big differenvr. I'm sorry I've not contributed. I bit off way m9re than I could chew this game.

I feel better about inh than I do about espers whom I have little to no read on. In truth I have little clue who is bad at this point. All I know is that I'm not. And at least one other civ has thought so in this game.

Voting espers more to save inh. Again, I don't think he's bad then anything.

Give me the civ you suck award for sure, but if you want to catch baddies looking at me is the wrong tree to shake.

Why throw in the towel? Any ideas on who is bad enrique?

Turnip Head wrote:Why are you bad bea?

I'm not bad Turnip. I'm over worked and distracted.
There is a difference.

yesterday was meltdown day for the record. Been a long time since work made me cry but I did. Twice. It was not awesome.

Also. Yes. Lorab. I was nathan. Too many damn Petrelli's you know how those Italians are.

I was super proud of that game too.

LoRab wrote:
Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote:Hope everything is ok, Dom!!!!

And neutral, not evil. But I still don't trust neutrals. So I'm good with the lynch result.
Hi Sylar
I was not at all Sylar.

I was Arthur Petrelli.

*high fives Bea*
wait, was this a separate joke or were you really not sylar-- that was my first game.
I was really not sylar. I was Arthur. I was a neutral role (alive at the end). Sylar was last man standing I think. That's partly why I differentiate between neutral and Indy. And why I will always argue that neutrals are dangerous--except when I'm neutral, lol.

You weren't auther. I was. Remember I subbed in for coxie and you hadn't recruited me yet and put me through the ringer cuz you were playing for the civs then. My first bts words ever to you were see...told you I was a civ. in the 11th hour we decided Canuck played a great baddie game and switched sides.

Ok daisy it is.

Ugh you guys I really wanted 3 hours to mafia this afternoon. Or *any* time yesterday but now I have to swap dough for 2 stores in the next couple hours.

Df I mentioned a low level suspish of splintsy because I had one all game. Looking at you was a recent development because I had good feels for you at the beginning of the game. Given those two choices I went with the one I felt might most likely get a mafia. I was wrong and that blows.

Th and drumbeats if you are suggesting epi is who I think you are suggesting he is, I've felt that since like day 2 or 3.

I have the good feels for lorab. I have good feels for Scotty. (Dude. Idk how I'm still alive either. Day/night 4 is usually the bea witching hour)

Not sure about anyone else.

Time to start the work crap. Will poke back in when I can.

Fuck splintsy.

I'm sorry.

Daisy voted splintsy with no comment that I remember? She might be the silenced one this go?

Between splintsy and df, I am more unsure of splintsy so imma vote there.

I am sorry I'm not as talkative. I really want to be, does that count?

TH - I read your case on DF - I can see what you are saying. I'm just gun shy about it. My paranoia kicks in and I start thinking, well, he made a decent point there.

I have pretty decent feels about INH and I've come around to feeling much better about lorab. Her posts are ringing more true to me the more we go along. I feel good about you and scotty.

Everyone else I'm pretty up in the air about. If I were a good mafia player and not the suck one I've been for ages now, I'd want to look a little closer at Enrique just to see if I'm justified in my I trust him but don't trust him, I think he might be buddying me to keep me from looking at him vibes I've had, but those are just vibes and nothing concrete.

I go back and forth on literally every other player in the game. Some posts feel civ to me others don't. I wish I could say which ones are which for each player but I can't. I haven't been alloted that kind of RL time.

I'm soo so sorry you guys. Running 2 stores is killing me. I worked a 20 hour day Thurs. NO joke. Started at 8 am got home at 3 am. Had a family emergency yesterday morning so my sleep was limited - stuck at work till almost 4 am yesterday.

I'm just getting coffee now and I know I am going to be late for my shift that starts in an hour and a half.

I set an alarm on my phone so that I can get back in time to vote.

I'm supre lame. I'm super sorry.

If anyone were inclined to rainbow read or point out more specific things they want an opinion on like TH has that would be super helpful to me.

TH - I read your case on DF - I can see what you are saying. I'm just gun shy about it. My paranoia kicks in and I start thinking, well, he made a decent point there.

I have pretty decent feels about INH and I've come around to feeling much better about lorab. Her posts are ringing more true to me the more we go along. I feel good about you and scotty.

Everyone else I'm pretty up in the air about. If I were a good mafia player and not the suck one I've been for ages now, I'd want to look a little closer at Enrique just to see if I'm justified in my I trust him but don't trust him, I think he might be buddying me to keep me from looking at him vibes I've had, but those are just vibes and nothing concrete.

I go back and forth on literally every other player in the game. Some posts feel civ to me others don't. I wish I could say which ones are which for each player but I can't. I haven't been alloted that kind of RL time.

I'm soo so sorry you guys. Running 2 stores is killing me. I worked a 20 hour day Thurs. NO joke. Started at 8 am got home at 3 am. Had a family emergency yesterday morning so my sleep was limited - stuck at work till almost 4 am yesterday.

I'm just getting coffee now and I know I am going to be late for my shift that starts in an hour and a half.

I set an alarm on my phone so that I can get back in time to vote.

I'm supre lame. I'm super sorry.

If anyone were inclined to rainbow read or point out more specific things they want an opinion on like TH has that would be super helpful to me.

I have good feels about Scotty and TH so imma vote there now while I'm only a half hour late for my shift. I hate missing votes.

i'm gonna be drerfunk about my vote today.

and still say it might yet be well placed..

how did I not make your low posters list??

Those that did do deserve a good looktielu.

I'm voting sorsha so i don't miss the vote, but I'm o;pen to discussion....

Enrique wrote:
Serge wrote:I will vote for timmer.
Why is this happening?

IDK?

Serge wrote:Sorry if I can't quote a ton of posts, I really don't feel like I'm getting better playing Mafia just on my phone. My mindset can't just get back on my previous way of scumhunting which involves quoting almost every post of every player. So I guess my only real worth in playing these games here are my votes, and I try to use them in the best way I can. Also I have a really bad case of tunnel vision.

I feel your phone posting pain. Back in the day my *only* internet access was a beat down crackberry. I was terminally 6 or more posts behind what was going on and The return key was broken on my phone so everything I *did* say was one long run on paragraph of 11ty millon thoughts.

This post and the one before it help me feel better about where you are in your head space Serge - so from your phone keep doing that.

I will say - you bring up a point that is worth mentioning. It's good that you are keeping who voted where in those early stages alive, and also - we should look at everything else too.

Playing catsup from your phone is hard. I don't often post when I'm reading on my phone for all the reasons you complain about - then when I get home I often forget the details of what I read 8 or more hours ago were.

The best advice I can give you - and me - is when you read, post about it. In as much detail as time allows you to. You might not get the quotes, but the more you can keep us in your head space, the better. Ya know?

Your last couple posts were awesome. More of that please.

Scotty wrote:
timmer wrote:Sorry guys, I've been too distracted this week to give this game its due.

I think the mafia has done an exemplary job of moving lynches onto easy targets all game, and now a gentle push towards me since I'm barely around just continues the trend.

The fact is, I thrive in mafia after a baddie is caught, as analyzing vote patterns and the specific timing of votes is my bread and butter (see my insta-spotting baddie Epignosis after I broke out of prison recently). At this point, I have nothing to work with, and I'm not around enough to properly study the entire game in the way that many of you do.

As for my INH vote, he NO-U'd me first, so I basically reverse NO-U'd him, which in my mind made perfect sense for a vote.
I'm not specifically getting on you because you're "barely around" nor am I making a "gentle" push on you. I'm glad to hear that you think yourself as an easy lynch with 2 votes currently cast against you.

I also thrive after a baddie is caught. More information comes from relationships between killed baddies. We're doing a shit job of catching baddies. But that doesn't mean there isn't something to work with.

Your NO-U on INH is not inherently sus, but NO-Uing him specifically because he was NO-U'ing you is akin to listening to one Creed song on loop for 10 hours. It's a lesson in insanity.

And that, kids, is why I'm always happy we have Scotty.

Enrique wrote:Is Serge bad?

*shakes magic 8ball*

Something feels off, but his moves come off really aggressive for a baddie don't they? The poll was I'd say pretty intentionally ambiguous, so how can you base your whole game on who voted what option? Well, here's a possibility: he has info, just... not from the poll.

Serge do you wanna elaborate on why you chose Epignosis?

Imma liking you this game, but I'm not going to lie - when I looked back at teh old HV crew, I forgot you were playing so now yea..... You would be able to frame me too.

Long story short, I'm just as paranoid about you as everyone else.

RIP Indi.

I'm sad you didn't get the chance to jump into the game like I know you could have.

fingersplints wrote:
Serge wrote:I'm definitely not acting new. Weak sauce.
I don't think it's weak. I think it's possible. I've seen players win games by acting more confused than they actuall are. I personally have won games by acting more confused than I actually am. It allows players to lay low. I don't know for sure that is what you are doing... which is why I also answered your questions to help... But it does make me concerned. I'm not giving anyone a pass, and I need the revisit everyone.

There have been several weird kills that I'm still trying to make sense of. I know if I were bad, indiglo and SVS wouldn't have been top choices of mine given they had attention on them. It makes me wonder if it's they were on to something, a setup of someone, someone who knows them well (I'm looking at you sweet Bea ), or something else like target changing.

See...it's funny - because my paranoia kicked in with a N1 kill of wabbit, followed by the whole SVS did it frame job thing, then her death, now Indi is dead.

I start thinking in my head, this looks like someone is trying to take out the HV crew. And let's be honest, I'm the easiest mark to blame for that. That's why I was sketched out last cycle about like - you and lorab and indi and sorsha. Cuz the way this kill pattern is going, it looks like a great old skool Bea frame job.

Here's the thing though, I'm not the same Bea as I was then. Look in your heart, deep deep in your heart. Do you REALLY think I would kill wabbit, try and fail to frame svs, kill her anyway then kill indi? When *you* are playing the game? How is that kill pattern not setting up a big red flag saying SPLINTSY!! I'M BAD!! Do you really think I'm that ballzy of a player? Do you really think I would do that to those players or would I rather try and fail *yet again* to try to out smart them? What do *you* think bad Bea would do now? From everything you know about me, which goal is more important to baddie Bea. Being a good baddie or getting a win?

I'd give you the "I totes believe Bea would NK wabbit N1." Cuz that shit's always funny. I'd say you and I were both in an equal position here. But from there out, does this really sound like a plan I would follow if I were bad knowing that you are playing and you know our history as well as you do?

For everyone else, this is a WIFOM argument. I'm posting this for splintsy.

Rip matt.

I'm sorry I missed the vote. All hell broke out in both of the stores I'm currently running.

I may have to ask to be replaced but I really really don't want to.

Please help me make the best vote I can merideth.

indiglo wrote:Sorry, I am completely, utterly exhausted physically and mentally. I also feel like she was bringing up things that I've mentioned numerous times, so it strikes me as odd to bring them up still. Plus I am slightly frustrated not to be able to mafia the way I prefer. (But again, that's something I've already said too.)

Sorry if my responses are hostile. It is due to pure exhaustion. I will now log off, try to wash the day off, and basically pass out... before doing it all again tomorrow.

Sorry bea, if I am grumpy. I think I probably really am, so that part is genuine. But so is the apology and the hug.

Sorry I missed you saying you were out of town.

indiglo wrote:
bea wrote:kk I'm srrsly honest on thisl.

TH- follow up because I'm sure I can't -

Lorab, indi, Spinltsy were all non voices in the eternal night of svs dying.
I am still out of town with extremely limited internet time. (To boot my brain is for real fried after doing ~language~ all day long.) I'm working on catching up on the thread, but if I can do that tonight, I'll be doing good. There will be no major analyses or revelations coming out of me until well after I'm home and rested. I've said this many times, so not sure why the suspicion over it? Unless I'm an easy target due to being out of town? (And thus less participatory.)

Not major just the overly paranoid bea.... you know how I get when I start freeking myself out. Also I figured if I mentioned people's names a bunch of times they would talk.

fingersplints wrote:Do you understand where Bea is going? Why am I required to see SVS exactly as she does?

Not required. I just want to hear more from you. I don't feel like I have a decent feel for you yet and I'm a bit troubled by that. Where was your day 0 suspish again? I am fail at remembering.

I guess what I'm saying is it's easy to think the early thing. But you and I know how well we all work together.

And maybe it's differently.

Indi - splintsy - lorab

I'm hard pressed to find a reason they didn't land how I did re: svs

kk I'm srrsly honest on thisl.

TH- follow up because I'm sure I can't -

Lorab, indi, Spinltsy were all non voices in the eternal night of svs dying.

DrumBeats wrote:
bea wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
indiglo wrote:I am ready to start reading page 29, so am not caught up. With that said, here are my thoughts so far, apologies if these things have already been said.

3J - strange little gambit there (the whole indy thing), I suppose that may be the last time you attempt it. RIP

Regarding the double Eloh/Leetic night death, this role may be plausible (not sure who between them would have been Todd though):

Todd Packer – Todd is volatile and if he is killed at night, he take his killer down with him. If he is lynched, he will take one of his voters down with him.

Also, I voted Ryan and Dwight in the poll. Ryan, because I felt bad that there were no votes for him, and Dwight because I like the name Dwight.

I'll try to do a bit of catching up, but don't have a ton of time tonight.
My first guess as to the Packer situation is that I don't think it was Eloh, mostly because I think if the vigilante still had a shot, SVS would be dead by now. Additionally, with how inactive leetic was, I'm not sure he would've submitted a kill action, which would trigger the bomb. Then again, he did submit a vote, so maybe, I just doubt it.

Maybe leetic was Packer, but at the same time I don't see the mafia killing leetic when he was an incredibly easy lynch to push.
I can see leetic as Packer.

Meridith split her MANY day 1 force votes. Leetic is a civ who knows he's going down soon based on the votes going his way. He spends his power. Right or wrong, if you know you are likely going to die and you have *that* role, why not take down someone you are suspicious of with you?

linkie - db - I work backwards - I think you can figure out who I trust. I think you can understand why I don't name names. Everyone else is a ? for me.

I'm currently not a super fan of serge or matt. I'd like to see LOTS more from lorab and splintsy. For sure. Lorab looking for an undotted i in my call her out post makes me leary of her. Splintsy not acknowledging my similar read to hers before svs died worries me. Baddie lorab and splints team would take out svs as quick as possible. And then figure they could manipulate me (cuz I give everyone the benefit of the doubt and they mah gurrlz) till I was a PITA and NK me. I gave it till N4 when Wigly, the tracker asked me the question on Day 1.

Not sure yet about Epi. I know SVS thought he was bad because she was trying to figure who wouldn't know about wabbit to use it against her. I don't necessarily think that it has to be someone half in the loop - I think it could be lorab or splintsy or epi equally. I wait for JC to have more than catch up posts - but I know she subbed and she is traveling. All of them. I need imput from all of them.

Indi is decidedly less involved than she was during BSG. Where she was supatown civ. And again, believe me, I know RL problems and issues. But yea. We are walking into day 4 and I expect more from her. The fact that I have given more than her worries me.

They are my most troubling and important ??? atm. I work backwards. I can't even deal with Matt yet till I know where I feel about those gals.
If he was lynched, I'd agree with you there. Since he was killed though, if he were Packer, he'd take his killer, which would be Eloh, down with him. I just can't see the mafia killing him, because he was such an easy mislynch for them, but then again, the mafia just killed SVS so I don't even know what they're doing.

Can you clarify what you mean by you work backwards? Sorry, I've never heard that before in mafia, so I want to make sure I know you mean by it

I work to figure out who I trust. Not who I suspect. That's what I mean by backwards. You ask for reads from me and the only reads I can give you are the peeps I thinkk are civ. AndI think I've been obvious about who I trust at this point.

DrumBeats wrote:
bea wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
indiglo wrote:I am ready to start reading page 29, so am not caught up. With that said, here are my thoughts so far, apologies if these things have already been said.

3J - strange little gambit there (the whole indy thing), I suppose that may be the last time you attempt it. RIP

Regarding the double Eloh/Leetic night death, this role may be plausible (not sure who between them would have been Todd though):

Todd Packer – Todd is volatile and if he is killed at night, he take his killer down with him. If he is lynched, he will take one of his voters down with him.

Also, I voted Ryan and Dwight in the poll. Ryan, because I felt bad that there were no votes for him, and Dwight because I like the name Dwight.

I'll try to do a bit of catching up, but don't have a ton of time tonight.
My first guess as to the Packer situation is that I don't think it was Eloh, mostly because I think if the vigilante still had a shot, SVS would be dead by now. Additionally, with how inactive leetic was, I'm not sure he would've submitted a kill action, which would trigger the bomb. Then again, he did submit a vote, so maybe, I just doubt it.

Maybe leetic was Packer, but at the same time I don't see the mafia killing leetic when he was an incredibly easy lynch to push.
I can see leetic as Packer.

Meridith split her MANY day 1 force votes. Leetic is a civ who knows he's going down soon based on the votes going his way. He spends his power. Right or wrong, if you know you are likely going to die and you have *that* role, why not take down someone you are suspicious of with you?

linkie - db - I work backwards - I think you can figure out who I trust. I think you can understand why I don't name names. Everyone else is a ? for me.

I'm currently not a super fan of serge or matt. I'd like to see LOTS more from lorab and splintsy. For sure. Lorab looking for an undotted i in my call her out post makes me leary of her. Splintsy not acknowledging my similar read to hers before svs died worries me. Baddie lorab and splints team would take out svs as quick as possible. And then figure they could manipulate me (cuz I give everyone the benefit of the doubt and they mah gurrlz) till I was a PITA and NK me. I gave it till N4 when Wigly, the tracker asked me the question on Day 1.

Not sure yet about Epi. I know SVS thought he was bad because she was trying to figure who wouldn't know about wabbit to use it against her. I don't necessarily think that it has to be someone half in the loop - I think it could be lorab or splintsy or epi equally. I wait for JC to have more than catch up posts - but I know she subbed and she is traveling. All of them. I need imput from all of them.

Indi is decidedly less involved than she was during BSG. Where she was supatown civ. And again, believe me, I know RL problems and issues. But yea. We are walking into day 4 and I expect more from her. The fact that I have given more than her worries me.

They are my most troubling and important ??? atm. I work backwards. I can't even deal with Matt yet till I know where I feel about those gals.
If he was lynched, I'd agree with you there. Since he was killed though, if he were Packer, he'd take his killer, which would be Eloh, down with him. I just can't see the mafia killing him, because he was such an easy mislynch for them, but then again, the mafia just killed SVS so I don't even know what they're doing.

Can you clarify what you mean by you work backwards? Sorry, I've never heard that before in mafia, so I want to make sure I know you mean by it

I mean that tend to find who i trust first. I look for fellow civs and hope and pray they are civs. My distrust comes when I don't think you are civ...

Sorsha wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Sorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.
I forgot to respond to this. I don't really understand the connection you're drawing. I'm sure I've defended SVS just as often as I've accused her, I'm probably batting .500. I feel okay about your motives though so feel free to keep an eye on me
It means I question your ability to read SVS and I feel like you lean civ on her a bit more than is warranted.

ripiywg SVS... it's not unheard of for the mafia to kill one of their own. Especially if they thought she would be getting lynched today, plus it saves her team from having to defend her. And it makes everyone go WTF.

except this - way back at the beginning of eternal night - you and splintsy and indi and lorab and no one was talking to *me* about svs.

Sorsha wrote:
Scotty wrote:Sorsha currently has 5 posts. This is her last:
Sorsha wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight

RIP Quin
There is a vote forcer in this game, a civ. When *I* am vote forced to vote for someone I don't think, or don't know, is bad, I generally vote not unlike G Man did. No one else was going to be lynched when he voted.

This lynch actually makes LC look better to me, and Faraday and Soneji worse. But I need to read again, you don't read as well when you are a bear. Big claws, small brain.
And the link back so you can read it in context: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p260075

The highlighted section is referring to voting last minute.
What are your current thoughts based on what SVS has said?

Who else do you suspect right now?
One thing nagging me about SVS's response is this post:
S~V~S wrote:I am appalled that anyone thinks I am enough of an idiot to do this. I mean, I can be an idiot, but I am a player whose best use to a bad team is via manipulation & talking in thread, not out of self sacrifice. But whatevs, if you want to lynch me Drum, go for it. You will be dissappointed if you really expect me to flip bad.

Also, re the use of the word "forced"; has it occurred to you that I am not allowed to directly say I was targeted?

What other factual checkable statement would you like me to make?

Linki @Faraday, what do you think of my factual remarks? We have 2 nights in a row for Pam to check me. What factual questions would you like to ask me?
Making it out that anyone who suspects her thinks she's an idiot when no one who has played with her would really think that. It's been pointed out already that it wouldn't be an idiotic move, trading one mafia life for what amounts to four civ's is a decent trade off.

I feel like I'm 51/49 in favor of lynching her. To me it comes down to a mafia gambit with SVS in on it or a mafia gambit that was relying on a bit of luck- with someone who could end day early around at the right time. A third option could be a civ ended the day early who thought Quin was bad but his claim makes me think that is really unlikely.

Another suspicion I have is inh- I want to look over his and jjj's conversation again. I only skimmed it so far but I wasn't getting great feelings about inh from it. Seemed like he kinda faded to the back ground since the Quin lynch but I think he would be my #2 pick for lynch. His mea culpa post didn't give me the same change of heart it did to jjj.

Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.
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voting Gabe and other

I officially think you are bad sweet sorsha. You were so quick to thow TH under the buss cuz it furthers the sus that svs was bad. But we both know she wasn't.

Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I'm looking at Matt mainly. Still waiting to see more from Epignosis.
Pervert.

I'm a more than a little disappointed that this is the end.

Sorsha wrote:
Scotty wrote:Sorsha currently has 5 posts. This is her last:
Sorsha wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight

RIP Quin
There is a vote forcer in this game, a civ. When *I* am vote forced to vote for someone I don't think, or don't know, is bad, I generally vote not unlike G Man did. No one else was going to be lynched when he voted.

This lynch actually makes LC look better to me, and Faraday and Soneji worse. But I need to read again, you don't read as well when you are a bear. Big claws, small brain.
And the link back so you can read it in context: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p260075

The highlighted section is referring to voting last minute.
What are your current thoughts based on what SVS has said?

Who else do you suspect right now?
One thing nagging me about SVS's response is this post:
S~V~S wrote:I am appalled that anyone thinks I am enough of an idiot to do this. I mean, I can be an idiot, but I am a player whose best use to a bad team is via manipulation & talking in thread, not out of self sacrifice. But whatevs, if you want to lynch me Drum, go for it. You will be dissappointed if you really expect me to flip bad.

Also, re the use of the word "forced"; has it occurred to you that I am not allowed to directly say I was targeted?

What other factual checkable statement would you like me to make?

Linki @Faraday, what do you think of my factual remarks? We have 2 nights in a row for Pam to check me. What factual questions would you like to ask me?
Making it out that anyone who suspects her thinks she's an idiot when no one who has played with her would really think that. It's been pointed out already that it wouldn't be an idiotic move, trading one mafia life for what amounts to four civ's is a decent trade off.

I feel like I'm 51/49 in favor of lynching her. To me it comes down to a mafia gambit with SVS in on it or a mafia gambit that was relying on a bit of luck- with someone who could end day early around at the right time. A third option could be a civ ended the day early who thought Quin was bad but his claim makes me think that is really unlikely.

Another suspicion I have is inh- I want to look over his and jjj's conversation again. I only skimmed it so far but I wasn't getting great feelings about inh from it. Seemed like he kinda faded to the back ground since the Quin lynch but I think he would be my #2 pick for lynch. His mea culpa post didn't give me the same change of heart it did to jjj.

Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.

I'll try to be back around later to give my thoughts on others but I'm at work now so don't hold your breath. If anyone has any specific player they want my thoughts on let me know.

voting Gabe and other

I don't trust you yet.

I want your reads on lorab, splintsy, and indi.

As of this post - you didn't know that svs was gone, so yea.... what do you think in light of all of this and als o reads on those peeps is cool.

Scotty wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
Scotty wrote:
DrumBeats wrote: There's enough information out there that honing in on low posters will do absolutely nothing for us. Just more gamble lynches that will likely end badly and make us lose. Name your top three suspects who are not low posters.
Well that's hardly fair. There's only a handful of us. I'm back and forth between you/SVS. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to an SVS lynch.
Then Epi and Matt.

But how do you define a low-poster? Everyone living is a lower poster than you. timmer has 30 posts, though I'd still consider him a low poster to an extent.
I think it's plenty fair, there are a ton of players in this game and a decent amount of middle-to-high posters. Three isn't a hard number to name. I agree that Epi is suspicious as well. A lot of posts with very little actual discussion imo.

I'd define it right now as the group of people who are straight up barely here. Sorsha, Spacedaisy, Enrique at least. LoRab, timmer, and bea are borderline imo. Maybe juliets too, but thats a recent sub. How do you define it, and which among them are your top suspects?
if i cant remember the last time they posted or the content they included, that's generally going to be a low poster for me. In the context of this game, it's not as big or heavy-handed as others, so there's going to be a more lax definition. TH has been pretty active since coming in, which is nice, but I'd probably use 30 posts or so as a good line right now. You mentioned timmer, who has 30 posts. That makes timmer, splints, bea, LoRab, Enrique, DFaraday, SpaceDaisy, espers, Sorsha, and juliets as potential low posters. Which is over half of our current population. So im a little limited there, hombre.

Where in my posts have I not given meat?

If you are looking at low posters look at the people giving their opinions as best they can - vs a solid I know peeps expect me to post a few times maybe.

in that list - who seems to be trying to help you? who doesn't seem to care?

DrumBeats wrote:
indiglo wrote:I am ready to start reading page 29, so am not caught up. With that said, here are my thoughts so far, apologies if these things have already been said.

3J - strange little gambit there (the whole indy thing), I suppose that may be the last time you attempt it. RIP

Regarding the double Eloh/Leetic night death, this role may be plausible (not sure who between them would have been Todd though):

Todd Packer – Todd is volatile and if he is killed at night, he take his killer down with him. If he is lynched, he will take one of his voters down with him.

Also, I voted Ryan and Dwight in the poll. Ryan, because I felt bad that there were no votes for him, and Dwight because I like the name Dwight.

I'll try to do a bit of catching up, but don't have a ton of time tonight.
My first guess as to the Packer situation is that I don't think it was Eloh, mostly because I think if the vigilante still had a shot, SVS would be dead by now. Additionally, with how inactive leetic was, I'm not sure he would've submitted a kill action, which would trigger the bomb. Then again, he did submit a vote, so maybe, I just doubt it.

Maybe leetic was Packer, but at the same time I don't see the mafia killing leetic when he was an incredibly easy lynch to push.

I can see leetic as Packer.

Meridith split her MANY day 1 force votes. Leetic is a civ who knows he's going down soon based on the votes going his way. He spends his power. Right or wrong, if you know you are likely going to die and you have *that* role, why not take down someone you are suspicious of with you?

linkie - db - I work backwards - I think you can figure out who I trust. I think you can understand why I don't name names. Everyone else is a ? for me.

I'm currently not a super fan of serge or matt. I'd like to see LOTS more from lorab and splintsy. For sure. Lorab looking for an undotted i in my call her out post makes me leary of her. Splintsy not acknowledging my similar read to hers before svs died worries me. Baddie lorab and splints team would take out svs as quick as possible. And then figure they could manipulate me (cuz I give everyone the benefit of the doubt and they mah gurrlz) till I was a PITA and NK me. I gave it till N4 when Wigly, the tracker asked me the question on Day 1.

Not sure yet about Epi. I know SVS thought he was bad because she was trying to figure who wouldn't know about wabbit to use it against her. I don't necessarily think that it has to be someone half in the loop - I think it could be lorab or splintsy or epi equally. I wait for JC to have more than catch up posts - but I know she subbed and she is traveling. All of them. I need imput from all of them.

Indi is decidedly less involved than she was during BSG. Where she was supatown civ. And again, believe me, I know RL problems and issues. But yea. We are walking into day 4 and I expect more from her. The fact that I have given more than her worries me.

They are my most troubling and important ??? atm. I work backwards. I can't even deal with Matt yet till I know where I feel about those gals.

DrumBeats wrote:
Scotty wrote:
DrumBeats wrote: There's enough information out there that honing in on low posters will do absolutely nothing for us. Just more gamble lynches that will likely end badly and make us lose. Name your top three suspects who are not low posters.
Well that's hardly fair. There's only a handful of us. I'm back and forth between you/SVS. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to an SVS lynch.
Then Epi and Matt.

But how do you define a low-poster? Everyone living is a lower poster than you. timmer has 30 posts, though I'd still consider him a low poster to an extent.
I think it's plenty fair, there are a ton of players in this game and a decent amount of middle-to-high posters. Three isn't a hard number to name. I agree that Epi is suspicious as well. A lot of posts with very little actual discussion imo.

I'd define it right now as the group of people who are straight up barely here. Sorsha, Spacedaisy, Enrique at least. LoRab, timmer, and bea are borderline imo. Maybe juliets too, but thats a recent sub. How do you define it, and which among them are your top suspects?

I get why I hit this list - but I do hope my most recent posts have helped you get a better read of me.

I'd add splintsy to the list of "barely there" as well. I mean, if I'm on it, she should be as well I'd think. Were you avoiding mentioning her or did you forget she was playing? Pick one answer to that question please.

as long as we are talking about it - what is "barely there?" What have I not given you that you think you need to get a read on me? My time is SUPER limited and I'm trying like hell not to replace out of a game I looked forward to playing before everything RL went wonky like it always does every game I try to play ever.

Scotty wrote:Sorsha currently has 5 posts. This is her last:
Sorsha wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight

RIP Quin
There is a vote forcer in this game, a civ. When *I* am vote forced to vote for someone I don't think, or don't know, is bad, I generally vote not unlike G Man did. No one else was going to be lynched when he voted.

This lynch actually makes LC look better to me, and Faraday and Soneji worse. But I need to read again, you don't read as well when you are a bear. Big claws, small brain.
And the link back so you can read it in context: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p260075

The highlighted section is referring to voting last minute.
What are your current thoughts based on what SVS has said?

Who else do you suspect right now?

indiglo wrote:Reading that post in context, I'm gathering that G-Man waited until the last possible minute to change his vote to where it was allegedly forced, and SVS saying that is how she would vote too if she were forced. Ie, wait until the last possible minute, so as not to begin a band wagon on someone who you don't know or don't think is bad.

Again, this jibes with what I know of SVS. We came up in a culture of non-changeable votes. Therefore we have ALWAYS been the type who hold our votes to as close to the end as we can. That early vote from her pings me the most. That's what makes me think she's quite possibly bad. It is just so opposite of her normal voting behavior. Whether she's forced to vote a certain way, or not, she's not an early voter unless she absolutely has to be (like, won't be here at EoD, etc).
What are you opinions since Jo was revealed, and SVS has responded to a myriad of concerns?
Who are your top baddie reads right now?

I like this post and echo the sentiments.

linki -wait? wot? SVS died at the end of the never ending night? Fuck.

a2thezebra wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Who is that in your profile pic Turnip?
It's Pennsatucky from Orange is the New Black. The actress is Taryn Manning.
Cool, I'll check it out.

Sorry - I know more reading less posting - but wait wot??? You haven't seen Orange is the New Black. Girrrl. Go watch now!! We will see you in like 4 days if Buffy was any indication....

[quote="Turnip Head"][quote="LoRab"]Catching up. Headache. But trying to get through and ponder everything.

I think SVS is more than capable of a crazy gambit, but why I don't think she did this in this particular case is that it wouldn't make any sense for her to post about it. It would be far more strategic to just quietly vote without posting before ending day. And then post about it later. It just doesn't seem like SVS to play this out like she's being accused of.[/quot

Agreed - IF the baddie gambit was claim my vote was forced - it makes more sense to make a show of it than to quietly let it happen. If you make a show of it you are offensive - if you wait for someone else to notice it you are automatically on the defense. Defense is a bad spot for a baddie to be in. Even a good baddie like SVS.

linkie - wait wot??? but I"m still THIS FAR BEHIND!!!

ok bea...more ready less talky....

LoRab wrote:
bea wrote:I don't work that way DB. I work backwards.

tbh, I usually need a few days on SVS and you see I keep finding scenarios where she could still be bad, but honestly, if I use Occum, she reads and feels more civ to me than most.

I'm sad Wilgy died now that I know he was the tracker. Go back and look at my answer and ask yourself, would I have been talking about anyone but SVS? Or maybe Wabbit and Epi?

I felt good about JJ before he claimed/notclaimed indi. JJ - the students of Lorab are watching you. I currently see no reason to not keep him around. But I will flip a bitch as fast as you if make me think you are not working with the civs. As long as he's helpful he's ok. There will - if he lives - a long enough time where his survivial won't be ok. I reserve the right to lynch him when it's time for the potential indy to go. I think deep in his heart he is a civ leaning indy. I'm ok with letting him prove me right or wrong.

I trust a few others. Reading my posts will help you figure out who.

I'd like to hear more from indi and lorab and splintsy just cuz it's all us!! And come on -this is a fun time!!!

sig's still playing right? And he's the low poster I *remember* is playing. I"d like to hear from anyone who has less posts than sig.

linki - what the fucking fuck. Ok - more backtracking.
Other than the fact that "students of LoRab" made me guffaw, I'm confused by this post. You speak as if JJJ is still alive, even though this came after the night post (and I know you post as you catch up, so that's fine), but then you talk about the fact that he might not make. And i don't think you ever went back to correct yourself on him not surviving the night. This almost reads as if you knew he was going to die.

I get why you are saying that, but it wasn't the case. Simply put - I posted while I was catching up yes. I never went back and addendumed it because I was tired and went to bed and said eff it.

Once I caught up I was just mentally done. It's an i I didn't dot. For sure. That happens.
I did not know that JJ was going to die.

Turnip Head wrote:Gabe was a corporate employee, and corporate is the most likely group for the baddies. Ryan is the Fire Guy, and he started the fire. Probably a civ, though he did work at corporate for a while.

I'm reading both of these roles as civ unless we learn of a recruiting element. Till then, they are civ in my book.

Enrique wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Scotty wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if a baddie were making that play, they wouldn't know when the complete list of roles would be revealed. And by that point, maybe the waters would be muddied enough that the damage would have been done. Let's say that there IS a civilian forced on even nights, and forced a BAD SVS to vote Quin, they would know Quin is bad so they could hide behind the premise that a) SVS would never do that as bad and b) there is a civilian vote forcer that forced her, so it's really out of her hands.

I think it's a hard road right now to come back from without complete WIFOM.
So you think that she was forced by a civilian to vote a certain way, and instead of just doing that and not arousing suspicion, she also forced the lynch to end early, shining the spotlight solely in her direction... while simultaneously hoping that the baddie vote forcer she knows exists will be revealed after the civvie vote forcer she also knows exists, her very life depending on this gamble. Also you're assuming that SVS knew Quin was bad even though he was revealed as a civilian role? Maybe that part was a typo.

I'm so lost as to what people think SVS's motive is here. I guess we think she wants to be lynched.

Someone please walk me through this from point A to point B.
The way I see it, SVS trying to pull this off would be ridiculous, because it'd be so much easier to just... you know... not do it.

you know up there where you said you missed TH?

I have missed you.

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