The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
bea wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Special shout to my active Film baddie laureates for winning again alongside me,, even if we had no contact, even if TH hunted me. Really glad I helped TH. Oh w8, I missed the vote lol.
And you missed your cue to suicide. We knew who you were, lol, and we did want you to commit suicide at that time.

Linki @DH: A paragraph would do, maybe. Was it something from another player, or just the structure?
An argument could be made that the powers of the mafia were a little much to overcome, especially when two of the more powerful civ roles had to wait so long to use their own powers, but I'm not really too bothered by that, since I got to do a lot of decoding and stuff to keep me busy.

What did bother me was my interactions this game with certain players, that just took the fun out of it for me.
I am truly sorry for my part in that. I attributed things to you that others said and I feel very badly for how I reacted to you DH. Please know that I adore you to death and I hope that you can forgive me for behaving so poorly.
I hope you will forgive me for making fun of you in life and in death. Your death post was entirely my doing, and Daisy and Mata even said it might be too harsh.

LOL - no harm done on my end. I just feel badly that In my reading rush I ascribed it to DH. I still feel very badly about that.

I learned something about myself this game. Apparently there is a critical mass point where I will freak out and go batshit crazy no matter what I try to do to avoid it. I come back angry and not thinking clearly - you and boo did an excellent job of exploiting it. It was all I could do to not throw my computer when I read boo claim to try to be chanelling SVS.

As soon as I read my lynch I was in bts yelling at DP - NEWT'S HANDS ARE ALL OVER THAT FRACKING POST!!! I knew when I read it were it came from. I told him the whole story about how we had JUST been talking about that. I thought for sure Mata had sent the kill in and you were the puppet master behind the scenes. I will have my payback. I may forget about it for a few years (just ask aces. I forget about his all the time.

) but it will happen.

Ok - so as far as my very small contribution to the game. I got bts with DP on day 2 because he voted for llama. Once we got bts, and I realized *why* he got bts - I knew llama had to be L. Soooo - when llama pulled me into chat after the whole eloh thing, I was SO paranoid with all the unrevealed secrets etc that that was some crazy trick by light to get me to spill what I knew, that I wouldn't believe that I was really in chat with L untill I quoted from the book I have that llama wrote and made him identify what it was from. - Hence *his* post about my paranoia.

Man. You have NO idea how many times I've been burned by trusting the wrong people in bts. Oh yes LC and Mata. - You know what I'm talking aobut.

I saw alot while I was dead and tried to help out DP as much as I could but then work kicked up again and I wasn't around. I tried to get him to build a case on mata based on the recruitment game. LOL. My pestering may have scared the poor boy for life. I never saw Daisy as light coming though - so well done daisy - you should be proud of yourself there!!

I know we kept trying to figure out when the best time to use DP's power was, but we could never tell when the note transfered or not. Since we couldn't pin anyone but the unlynchables into specific baddie roles, we didn't know when to target them. Also I was the fail at blocking people. I kept hoping that the couple times there was no kills was because I found my target. *sigh*

DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Special shout to my active Film baddie laureates for winning again alongside me,, even if we had no contact, even if TH hunted me. Really glad I helped TH. Oh w8, I missed the vote lol.
And you missed your cue to suicide. We knew who you were, lol, and we did want you to commit suicide at that time.

Linki @DH: A paragraph would do, maybe. Was it something from another player, or just the structure?
An argument could be made that the powers of the mafia were a little much to overcome, especially when two of the more powerful civ roles had to wait so long to use their own powers, but I'm not really too bothered by that, since I got to do a lot of decoding and stuff to keep me busy.

What did bother me was my interactions this game with certain players, that just took the fun out of it for me.

I am truly sorry for my part in that. I attributed things to you that others said and I feel very badly for how I reacted to you DH. Please know that I adore you to death and I hope that you can forgive me for behaving so poorly.

Yea - the promotion is prolly - I hope not - but likely the death nail in my mafia life.

But it was fun while it lasted. And I hope next time around I can keep playing and having fun.

It' most cerianly means that my Bowie game will likely not ever be played. And that makes me sad. But ya know - you take your hits and keep on moving on.

You though. Should I get to play again. You have a VERY special place in my heart

I am still dead and drunk. So that's good. I got a promotion so I guess that is good too. Oh and I have confidence that my peeps will do us well. So you know, there's that

How's it with you?

*waves hi*

rooting for my peeps! Bring this one home guys!!!

MovingPictures07 wrote:
bea wrote: is the answer Santa hat sockface?
No. :P

Good times though, that santa hat...

Stoopid Santa hat. I couldn't enjoy Christmas for like 2 year after that. Jerk.

also thanks for fixing my tags. Ishut up now.

is the answer Santa hat sockface?

night post was hilarious and unsurprising. - that said. Scotch? Really kira? Vodka is more my style

Despite his.vote.for.me. - I have pretty good feels about boomslang. Nothing concriete to go on, I just don't read him as bad.

FZ. wrote:My observations are definitely influenced by how I'm being viewed this game.
First of all, I just want to say that my cussing and emotional overreaction only began after I responded to every accusation that was thrown at me time after time, only to find it twisted and turned so it fit the initial perception. So whoever wants to just accuse me of going with the emotional "manipulation" or even civvie response has no idea what they are talking about.

So when looking at the back and forth between Boo and Bea, I can see it in two ways:
1. Bea is being falsely accused (either by a civ or a baddie). Yeah, I could see the case, but since things I say are wrongly used against me, so can hers.
2. Her voting for herself is an awesome bluff meant to make people think they shouldn't vote. But if that's the case, why keep encouraging them to do so?
I feel I'm more inclined to go with the former. Heck, I've thought of doing this a few times, just to prove the point. But I have my reasons not to.

I have been thinking about llama lately, especially after his crusade for lynching me. Here are my reasons and I'd like to hear others' thoughts:
1. The entire game, he's been displaying a one track mind. He's not looking into anything else. He's made up his mind about me, great. Does he comment on anything else? No! He's just sitting there telling people to vote for me. Say you get me lynched, what then? I'd expect civvie llama to want to further the discussion. Especially since he keeps saying that the puzzles are hindering the talk. I don't see him talking at all.
2. Did you all notice that Zombarella was not trusting him much? And she was one of the few who didn't. Did we ever stop to think that maybe that's the reason she's dead?
3. Since everyone is so trusting of llama, and he's so "amazingly on spot" this game, wouldn't you expect him to be dead at this point? He always says he's not NK because he's easily lynched. Well, he isn't this game and no one even considers him.

but see fz - that's the point - it isn't even what I've said. from boo -I"m not even allowed the opportunity to have a case built against me based on how I've acted in the thread because I will emotionally manipulate that to serve my baddie intentions as he sees it.

llama and others might suspect you and want to lynch you -but at least - at least they can say this is why -this is what you said.

They may be right - they may be wrong -but at least they can point to *something* - don't you see how different boo's case on me is? Doesn't anyone?

Black Rock wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Voted for Black Rock.

Shocking. You are very stubborn man. I thought I gave you enough to slap you in the face. Obviously you're more of the type that needs it spelled out for you. Too bad it's against the rules.

Bea, is there a good reason besides you want to prove yourself?

nope. no good reason at all to vote me unless you think I am lying. I'm totes doing this to prove a point.

I'm trying to lay this to rest once and for all. And I'm willing to die to do it.

If you don't believe that what I've said or how I've played in this game is true and working to trying to help the detectives win then please vote me.

I gave you a new reason to vote me too - I voted myself. I know I'm a detective so clearly I'm working to not further the dective's win but to prove to boo he's flat out wrong about me. And if he's flat out wrong about me, he should see my role and think about why I have been skectched out by his going after the people he has.

thanks mm -

I appriciate your vote.

again

lynch me.

I'm totes cool with it.

lol - I did it again - and thought boo made a post when it was MM - I'm glad you enjoyed my post too. lol.

I advise EVERYONE who has ANY bit of doubt about where I stand this game to follow my vote.

linki - I'm glad boo. I want to be lynched now.

I want it soooo badly.

th - did you vote early? if not -please vote me.

I NEED my role to be revealed right now.

more linkie. I have nothing to hide. I'm a detective. I've always claimed to be a detective. When you lynch me my role will be revealed.

I'm curious as to how you act when you do indeed get me lynched and get my role revealed.

I'm actually excited for it.

you are incorrect.

Here let me help you show you how incorrect you are. Maybe if you aren't bad you'll wake up and see the rest of the game.

boo wrote:
bea wrote:
FZ. wrote: Boo strikes me as an intelligent player and when he posts, it usually makes a lot of sense, but it also seems like he's on the outskirts looking in, afraid to get his hands dirty. Don't know what to make of it, because I don't know how he usually plays.
I've quoted FZ's original post because it's important in relationship to boo.

And see what you did there boo? See it? It's why I have a hard time trusting you even when like in the Made lynch I agreed that a yoshiba isn't a detctive and therefore not so aweful.

It's because of the assumptions you make. DP said he agreed with that statement up there but never said what part of it.
In fact, FZ herself never said when "usually" applies. You took that all on yourself to mean that she meant that she suspects who you suspect.

Then you used an assumption of what posts you've made that FZ finds and thinks makes sense of to turn it around to make it look like DP is double talking when in fact - his meaning I think was pretty clear.

That he agrees - sometimes you make sense, but you suspect people he doesn't and that worries him.

And did you really think if you actually presented a case against me rather than your trip to imagination land that I'd really flip out all balls to the walls? Is that the impression you have of me?

I know what happened with MM and DH was aweful and I feel so very very bad about it.

All I can think of is bioshock when I was up for lynch for days and finally just said "I don't fucking care anymore, lynch me." I was a nilla civ in that - incarnation and I was calm and cool for DAYS about it. And for DAYS no one said I read genuine. Once I lost it - everyone gave me cred that fault isn't mine. I felt badly about loosing it tbh.

It's your misrepresentation - or unwillingnes to clarify why you think I'm bad in a way that's not a trip to imagination land - and now your twisting of both FZ's post and DF's posts that make me think you are up to no good. Prove me wrong boo. I want you to be civ, but man, you are making it so super hard for me to believe you have good intentions at all.
Not specifying a part means he agrees with all of it. And then he says he doesn't agree with all of it. So why say he agrees with it?

Usually means most of the time. Most of the time, my posts are about suspecting people. Most of the time, if my posts make sense, then FZ understands where I am coming from on my suspicions. I don't have to make assumptions about her use of the word usually, it's what the word means.

DP was double talking, and yes, I picked that up from his post, and I think most people will be able to, so yes, his meaning was clear. But he was trying to mask it, and that's the whole reason I find him suspicious.

And then again, if he agrees I usually (not sometimes, but nice trying to change the word there, very on the up and up bea) make sense, and most of my posts are about my suspicions and why I find people suspicious, but he doesn't agree with who I find suspicious - to the point he is paranoid about me - then he doesn't usually find that I make sense and agree with me. So why say that he does?

Just because I didn't frame my suspicions of you in my typical way does not make it 'imagination land'. I think you are the killer. I provided reasons why I think you're the killer. You still could have chose to respond to the things I actually said (which you have never made any real effort to do), but instead, you're trying to write it off as make believe. And yes, I left you that out, by discussing why I didn't build a case around you, and instead discussed who died, why I think you'd do, and why I think that makes you the killer. By the standards of most people, that is case building. It isn't by mine, so I didn't call it a case, and you're trying to turn my doing that into saying everything I said (that was still based on reason, and things from within the thread) is imaginary. \

No, I didn't think you'd 'flip out balls to the wall'. And I said that. I said that I think you do a version of that type of defense, where it isn't about defending based on countering the other person in a meaningful way, but defending by making posts that strike people as 'genuine' which makes go back to trusting you. And yes, I think that's absolutely how you defend yourself if it's a method of defense that is available. That isn't even about civ vs. mafia bea though, you can do it as either. I was trying to come at you in a way where the option wouldn't be open, so you'd have to defend yourself in a more transparent way. And I think you're ignoring the actual things I said, and downplaying it as me making things up, is that kind of transparency.

You were not a civvie in Bioshock. There weren't civvies in Bioshock. That whole argument is the reason I got lynched in that game. In Bioshock, you were a security bot. Then you replaced in as Fontaine. As a security bot, 1 player needed to die, and when they did, you had a last person standing win condition and a NK. You died before that happen (but it did happen, and in a game that size, the odds it didn't were always low), yes, but you were not a civvie. I assume that's the scenario you're referring to, because Fontaine was even less ambiguous and the closest to being a baddie that game had to offfer. You know my role in Bioshock, where I got lynched (for being right, to remind you. Again)? I was part of the 'civvies 2' group (the civvies in that game were in quotes - because they were not actually civvies), which was the group that was the closest to a standard idea of civvies, because their win conditions allowed for the greatest number of people alive at the end of the game.

So... bad example trying to pick Bioshock, is my point.

I gave reasons I think you're bad. I think you're the one killing. I made that clear. I also used language that allowed you to try and get out of my actual suspicions by dismissing them. Rather than make any attempt at reading my suspicions and addressing them (which I think civ bea would do), you're entire strategy for dealing with me has been 1) ignoring me when possible and 2) Focusing on the out I gave you that it wasn't my usual way of discussing my suspicions.

boo -what have I not addressed?

You say I could have killed LC and SVS - and yes - I could have killed them. I could have even killed LC without remorse. But my history shows that I would most likely not have killed SVS. I could kill my own husband in a game before her. Killing her when she is bad and I am civ always feels like cheating to me. So I don't do it. Could I have done it? Sure. I could have done it.

But I didn't.

And that story hasn't changed from day the first time you started bringing it up.

I'm frustrated because you seem to think there is something here I should see and say and somehow that is going to make everything ok with you - but I don't see it and I don't understand it. You made up a believable story about how I could have been the killer. I agree - it's a beliveable story. If you don't look at the thread ever and it could be said of almost anyone in the game.

As far as Bioshock goes. I was speaking of Bea 1.0 not rezed Bea and you know that. And none of the things you talked about happening that would have made my security bot status change had happened at the time of my lynch so - yes - as I understood my role pm by my host - at that time, I was a vanilla civ.

What I truely don't understand is why me? what did I do? Why the witch hunt on me?

I can't magically say magic words when I don't know what they are. I'm a detective and every time you persue my lynch and every time you seem to go after people I have good feels about it disturbs me.

Play imagination land in my world for just a second - imagine I'm being truthful. (because I am) - imagine how you would feel if the tables were turned. At least understand that I'm trying to give you the botd even as you falsely call me evol and kira.

he says thank you!!!

and - omg - I just looked back -there are 13 pages of MM posts. I'd love to reread it but IDK where to start and day 1 feels daunting at that post count. Help a slightly drunk sista out maybe?

tbh - it's on my to do list - I admit - I've not been doing the research I should. I've had a weird couple days of work + getting a car and doing the things I need to do so I can drive again - (very long story the thread does not need the deets here) - and also today is the hubby's birthday so I've been managing mafia in two games + birthday stuff.

I should now while they are distracted tbh.

Th - unless I'm missing something - the problem I'm having is that it's hard to tell who's doing what killing when the kills happen at any time. How do we know there is only one killer still?

You raise a great point - and one I want to understand tbh.

since you are here -does this change your perspective of any players? (this is a question everyone is free to answer btw)

Wow. I don't even....

FZ. wrote: Boo strikes me as an intelligent player and when he posts, it usually makes a lot of sense, but it also seems like he's on the outskirts looking in, afraid to get his hands dirty. Don't know what to make of it, because I don't know how he usually plays.

I've quoted FZ's original post because it's important in relationship to boo.

And see what you did there boo? See it? It's why I have a hard time trusting you even when like in the Made lynch I agreed that a yoshiba isn't a detctive and therefore not so aweful.

It's because of the assumptions you make. DP said he agreed with that statement up there but never said what part of it.
In fact, FZ herself never said when "usually" applies. You took that all on yourself to mean that she meant that she suspects who you suspect.

Then you used an assumption of what posts you've made that FZ finds and thinks makes sense of to turn it around to make it look like DP is double talking when in fact - his meaning I think was pretty clear.

That he agrees - sometimes you make sense, but you suspect people he doesn't and that worries him.

And did you really think if you actually presented a case against me rather than your trip to imagination land that I'd really flip out all balls to the walls? Is that the impression you have of me?

I know what happened with MM and DH was aweful and I feel so very very bad about it.

All I can think of is bioshock when I was up for lynch for days and finally just said "I don't fucking care anymore, lynch me." I was a nilla civ in that - incarnation and I was calm and cool for DAYS about it. And for DAYS no one said I read genuine. Once I lost it - everyone gave me cred that fault isn't mine. I felt badly about loosing it tbh.

It's your misrepresentation - or unwillingnes to clarify why you think I'm bad in a way that's not a trip to imagination land - and now your twisting of both FZ's post and DF's posts that make me think you are up to no good. Prove me wrong boo. I want you to be civ, but man, you are making it so super hard for me to believe you have good intentions at all.

DP - I'm not not sure I've ever seen you show any excitement that wasn't hockey or music related.

What do you think of Mata? I'm curious as to how you are reading her after your musketeer stint in Recruitment.

FZ - at the moment, I am doing that weird talking myself into and out of suspicions. I am worried about Mata -hence me asking DP about him, but it's nothing I can put my finger on in posts. I still feel pretty uneasy about boo - I keep flip flopping how I feel about epi and DH. One minute they read bad to me and the next they don't. I read your frustration as genuine the other day btw. IDK about where I stand on you. One thing kinda bothers me though - why did you vote me? I was in the middle of signing papers on my new car when I was trying to read all that and vote, but before when I was online you said you felt better about me. What changed your mind?

linki - Don't loose any sleep over it sweetie. We've all done is and some of us far worse than you. *hides hed* - It's easy to get over emotional during these things.

Rip Russ.

@DP - if you had to pick your top 3 suspects right now, who would they be and why?

I'm going to go with made. I for the life of me figure out why a civ made would work so hard to "trick" me then use it as a reason to call me bad.

FZ. wrote:
bea wrote:He made up an entire story about me based on nothing that has actually happened in the thread. His only other suspect is someone whom I believe is civ. So, yea- I don't have the greatest feels about him.

linki - OH. MY. GOD. I seriously just now caught that epi was teasing me about the typo of onion for opinion. I'm so amazingly lame sometimes. *heddesk*

linki again - yes - I know - I'm an idiot. I need to enlarge this screen. I swear the type gets smaller every day. It's hell to get old kids....
Okay, your answers have eased my mind a bit. What do you think about Russ?

He says stuff thant makes sense to me when he is here and I wish I heard more from him.

He made up an entire story about me based on nothing that has actually happened in the thread. His only other suspect is someone whom I believe is civ. So, yea- I don't have the greatest feels about him.

linki - OH. MY. GOD. I seriously just now caught that epi was teasing me about the typo of onion for opinion. I'm so amazingly lame sometimes. *heddesk*

linki again - yes - I know - I'm an idiot. I need to enlarge this screen. I swear the type gets smaller every day. It's hell to get old kids....

It is a well developed falsehood.

Boomslang wrote:
bea wrote:What there are br - there are 2 sets of potential civ bts. I could be near and pulled him into chat and found his role out. It could be any of those scenarios that make llama l - I could be l and
investigated myself to see how people would react.

Or it could be the.truth. - I just strongly think llama is a civ. I've had good feels about him and he's done nothing to
makeline me think he is bad.
Hmm... If you were L, don't you think investigating yourself would be a waste of time? Or even a danger, especially as the previous L message was used to lead a successful lynch on a Kira supporter. I find that hypothetical a little too glib.

There's also been a couple places where you've expressed almost a resigned attitude toward being lynched. If you're not willing to defend your own civness while alive, why should anyone else?

The bolded part was the important bit from my post boom. The rest was just scenarios I came up with off the top of my head to prove the point that more could be going on than what Epi was presenting at the time. Glib or not, I've seen weirder things happen in mafia games and I know you have too.

I'm not so much resigned or not wiling to defend myself. I've said my fair share about boo's "case" - It's pretty fracking weak and based on a bunch of "I am going to construct a story built on zero evidence." Second time he posts he says he's channelling his inner SVS, but SVS doesn't voice suspcion that way either. Even though she works from an emotional place, she has things said by the person she distrusts that she can point to and say "This doesn't sound honest or genuine. This does not sound how I know you to play." Now suddenly according to him, I'm Light and I passed my Death Note and can't be killed. Again - based on nothing but his imagination.

I've asked boo - and anyone else can answer should they be inclined - what is "my civie game" that you are not seeing? Cuz my civ game looks the same as I'm playing now from where I'm standing.

As for L's message - 7% is not exactly the ZOMG!!! LYNCH HER RIGHT AWAY! message that the one about eloh was. Nothing has been confirmed that L uses a low number *in this game* for high suspects. In fact, he used the same number for Aces.

It's not that I've resigned to being lynched boom. It's that I have said all I have to say about it. I'm not going to say it 10,000 times. I'm not going to yell about it. I got emo once in this game and I feel aweful about it and have no intention of getting worked up about it.

Why you should not lynch me isn't based on how well I do or do not defend. You shouldn't lynch me because despite boo's onion, I am a civ. I will die. If I defend or not - if I do it well or not - doesn't really matter. I'm stll a civ. I will still die and the lynch will still not yeild a kira.

If you don't believe me, vote me. If you do believe me don't vote me. It's really that simple.

Is there something floating around that I have not addressed that I'm missing?

linki - I have not threatened anything fz. I have told the truth and nothing but the truth.

and also -hot damn! that's a heck of a case epi! It certianly as me thinking twice about FZ.

I could also be down with a Made vote.

Turnip Head wrote:Yeah, a lot of players aren't making Kira cases, but Made is one player who I feel would be doing so if he were a detective. Others are just laying low like they always do.

I could see Bea killing SVS and Long Con, and I could see Made killing Aces and Zomberella. I agree that the methodology between the first two kills and the next two changed. And you're right, it could just be that the later kills are more influenced by game events than the earlier ones. It doesn't have to mean the notebook switched hands, but it could.

Frankly I'm a little concerned about how blase Bea is regarding her own lynch, she said she would be happy to have her role revealed Maybe she was the First Kira and can't be lynched atm.

This makes me giggle lots TH.

I'm not blase - I understand completely that at this point - I will be voted for or not based on how much people trust me.

I'm ok with that.

I'm ok with being lynched.
I'm ok with my role being revealed.

Not because I'm the first Kira and can't be lynched.

If you lynch me I will die. And it will be proven that I am always what I said I am. A civ.

Call this a reverse WIFOM. I'm saying. If you don't believe me - lynch me and prove me right.

Waiting on the bus. Many typing and walking is difficult - how do the kids do it?

It means I was bored and cold on the bus and looking for a distraction.

I have concerns regarding boo - made and mata. Truthfully. Second tier from that mm and zeeky.
They are all peeps I wouldn.t mind taking a closer look at.

Linkie - fair enough Epi. A skim over a role I don't have - nor claimed to have doesn't make me bad though.

More Linkie - by all means. If you think I'm bad - Lynch me. I don't mind my role being shown to anyone - just doesn't get anyone any nearer to finding Kieran or their sympathizers.

Make - not makeline - that is the thing that stores my food at work *giggles*

What there are br - there are 2 sets of potential civ bts. I could be near and pulled him into chat and found his role out. It could be any of those scenarios that make llama l - I could be l and
investigated myself to see how people would react.

Or it could be the.truth. - I just strongly think llama is a civ. I've had good feels about him and he's done nothing to
makeline me think he is bad.

NA Epi - there's lots of things that could be going on. Not just the ones you point to.

LOL - good feels. Geeze phone!!

Rip zombra - I had food feels about you.

bass - sending some rox's way now....

I feel a rainy day nap coming on. Don't want to miss the vote. I'm going to trust L and vote eloh.

Eloh - as I said before - regardless of the outcome you should be proud of your playing this game.

llama - that's a fair point. At some point we have to just jump in and have some faith.

I reread eloh today and I have to say all of her posts left me feeling ??? I couldn't decide one way or the other about her. I've had both baddie and civ bts with her and I still couldn't call it.

Had it not been for L's note, I wouldn't have thought to look there at all.

Eloh -dispite how this lynch goes, you should be VERY proud of that.

Yea - Rico - the timing feels weird in that kira would have gad to be *right on top* of that n2 lc kill and then you are saying kira was aloud to kill svs during the day? As in completely independant of any other night actions? Same with aces? No chance for any potential blockers or Switchers that might be hanging out in the secrets yet to be revealed to do their thing?

Ricochet wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Fine by me if DH and others want to intrrpreted this way, but I personally can't believe the Day/Night cycle has been disturbed based on current evidence.
Present a viable alternative and I will consider it.
N2 sudden heart attack and D3 day kill (in anticipation to N3) make more sense to me. Both could have been planned and announced in advance by Kira.

Please lay out how you see this working out from d1 to now for me like dh has. I'm slow. I thiink I've at least made that much abundantly clear this game.

Then n3 there is no kill and n4 the aces kill gets sent -right?

This makes makes sense.

Epi - I am not sure what you are saying here - I'm admittedly watching walking dead and doing this from my phone at a friends house.

Mm is overdue for a reread from me.

Eloh is a tough spot. I want to take my time and think about her carefully. L's note is pretty damning. Not sure completely how he's getting his info and what the chance for error is there. I don't want to blindly jump into an Eloh vote and I want to give L's message the weight it deserves.

Could be th. - I'm not really sure tbh.

Dh - people that might give up the note because.they were getting thread heat? Made - boo - zm- fz - zombra to a mild degree.

Zm = me. Phone sucks.

Linkie - br - fair point that aces is an old skool player as well.

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