The Syndicate

Great game guys! I totes checked Matt on the off chance he was Paul just to try to get him to leave me alone. Lol. Loved our bts dearest!!

Thanks epi!!

Voted luke.

People also think you are bad because you were most talky during the sig lynch and he was bad. Then again during the floyd lynch and he wasn't necessarily bad.

If nanner is the smuggler at this point it's a non issue because they are obviously not playing. Who else?

Who do you think the last hark is, if not you? And why? Who's the killer?

I'm glad for that.

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oh there can be more cake for a civ win, I just wanted cake for satisfying eloh. It's a tough job afterall.

AND aslo - as much as I want to hopefully end the game, Luke is a new player. And he at least deserves the chance while we have the time to answer my questions.

It will help him regardless of his alignment in the long run. He deserves this much from me at the very least.

If I were the last live memeber of the mafia team, no WAY would I send in a kill for svs - it would be easier to kill my own husband (that I've done - more than once) than her. lol.

no - 3 - because I can't pull the trigger on her.

But thank you for being satisfied. I want cake now.

Luke11646 wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
FZ. wrote:Sorsha, was there a time, after the MM lynch when you were suspicious of Golden?
No

Voting for Luke and hoping this will end it!
I'm not bad, I give up, if you guys want to lynch me you can lynch me

Luke -
Can you see why people are suspicious of you? If you addressed that at all, it might help.
If not you then who should we be looking at? Why? Give me a reason to look elsewhere and I'll look. I mgiht not agree with it, but I will try to see your side.

You are super new, and I hope the experience doesn't turn you off to the game itself.

Elohcin wrote:
bea wrote: rip svs.

Eloh, I would not have killed svs. Even if I were bad and even if she suspected me, her in particular I would have trouble pulling the trigger on her. For more than one reason.

I'm not Sting, but right now I'm madder at him than I was when he had those stupid "I'm the lick and you're the key" lyrics on the brand new day album. Lame Sting is lame.
More than one? Can you name a few?

I have caught up and I am voting Luke as well. Let's win this thing!

Sure! I have a huge soft spot when it comes to SVS. I have a hard time voting for her much less the idea of NKing her. When she has been bad and I've been civ, I've literally said bts "We need to kill svs before she catches the baddie stink on me, but I just can't." I've NKed my own husband. SVS - nope. I can't do it. That "I just can't pull the trigger on SVS" has morphed as I've become a more veteran player. Frankly as a baddie, I'm not going to kill her because it's far more satisfying to me and more challenging to me to trick her. When I'm bad and SVS is civ, I'd MUCH rather get through the game and have her say "Wow, I totally believe you the whole time," rather than "Of course you NKed me before I saw you were bad." While I have yet to do this succesfully, it's still my goal when Im in that situation. F inally, she saw I was the civ I am. She defended me. HARD. I get WIFOM, but you KNOW me Eloh - you've BEEN bad with me- do you really really think I would have killed SVS when she was my biggest defender?

I explained that already yesterday mac.

Unless something really wonky comes out of today's discussion I can't see myself voting anyone but luke. I will give it time though since we have it.

Lock. Not lick. Stupid phone.

rip svs.

Eloh, I would not have killed svs. Even if I were bad and even if she suspected me, her in particular I would have trouble pulling the trigger on her. For more than one reason.

I'm not Sting, but right now I'm madder at him than I was when he had those stupid "I'm the lick and you're the key" lyrics on the brand new day album. Lame Sting is lame.

I agree with your analysis FZ - my two are luke and blooper.

MacDougall wrote:Here is my jive.

Golden is this Wellington Goober who got recruited at some point.

I reckon the scumdogs are at least two now.

I reckon eldawg is the rogue.

The ridgy scum is niju.

I reckon the factions are like ... I reckon Fremen and Emp have to eliminate each other and survive to take solo win or something like that.

Do I sound ridic?

All I have to do is kill hark. Though I don't know if my entire faction shares my win con.

You don't have luke on that list. Any reason why?

I understand my placement on the list even though I'm not hark.

I agree actually with your remaining list of possibilities. Adding luke instead of me.

svs - do you think team hark is in a GTO sort of situation?

@ golden - I think I know what you are on about re: FZ's potential house. If I'm reading correctly, it has to do with specific questions she asked a player who is not svs yes?

S~V~S wrote:Fine I'm wrong, then I guess. My vote won't have any bearing on the result.

And i has nothing to do with Golden. I don't trust FZ. Results can be falsified.

I'm not saying your wrong. That's not at all the response I was hoping to get from you svs.

I am just trying to look at all the options and trying to figure out what's going down.

I'm starting to get bogged down in the emotional tension here and trying to find the game related bits that can lead to clarity. In my weird way.

I know you have great insight and I know you can tunnel as hard as matt does when you are civ and your tunnel comes from an emotional place.

I guess what I'm asking you - if not fz, who else? Maybe you are wrong about her, maybe you're not. I'm not sure because I don't see what you see and I don't have the reference to the game on k-site that gave you are basing your read of her baddie game on.

Is there any info of the source material that can help us? I have to admit feeling very lost on the sorce matrial. I'm not a suppafan and outside of having seen the movie once I'm pretty lost.

svs- do you have any reason to not trust Golden? I mean, with one Hark left, it's not like he's defending a baddie teammate. Or do you think he's just being snowed? Cuz if he is, I am too.

I really don't think fz is bad. I keep thinking back to the teen wolf game on k-site - the last game I played with her. She was a civ. I was a civ. Rox was a civ. Rox and I hard core defended a baddie. Rox was sure she was civ and I was sure (like I am with you now) that rox was a civ. FZ kept defending MP. Hardcore. To the point that because we defended the other baddie she was convinced I was bad. Even though I was screaming from the start of the game that MP was bad.(OMG- he was so classically MP bad too.

) At the end of the game it was all a massive amount of "I quit listening to you because I was sure you were bad." I was POSITIVE fz was defending MP because they were teammates and she wasn't listening to me. She was positive I was bad because I kept going after MP.

Couldn't something similar be going on here?

If it is - my question is - who is pulling the strings? Is it a lurker who's staying out of the fray or a wolf in sheep's clothing?

Turnip Head wrote:I deserve to be voted for today tbh

proving tranq and typh right - I am indeed the biggest nub. I should have voted TH so I could have hit voting a baddie for sure.

Wasted opportunity tbh.

linki - that result is a big? for me. IDK that he was my enemy. I was right in thinking he wasn't hark though.

cuz....... host error is my best guessIGNORE THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTIAN!!!!

There is a christmas episode of futurama on now. It makes me miss Flyin' High more than normal. Santa was easily one of my top 5 favorite mafia roles.

MacDougall wrote:I would still like to know why Turnip is on the poll.

DO NOT QUESTION THE GREAT AND POWERFUL EPI!!!! IGNORE THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTIAN!!!!

Luke11646 wrote:
Golden wrote:Hey, Luke... you've played pretty well for a newbie. Especially if you are a civ with no teammates to speak to. I hope you stick around
Thanks, I guess.

I agree with Golden. New people always make the game more fun! I hope you play again soon as well!!

voted floyd. at this point, there's no way my vote means anything. It figures the one time this game I have time to be around at vote ending time and it's this lopsided. I hope you all are right about floyd.

Golden wrote:I am certain Eloh is truthful. I do, however, think it is possible you are Wellington Yueh. Your conduct today has begun to make me think you must be, because you seem to otherwise be ignoring things I wouldn't expect you to ignore.

I'm not 'twisting anything', but on the other hand I suppose there is a certain extent to which I should allow for perfectly normal civ Matt to be tunnelling right now, so it could well be that I'm just paranoid. But it does look to me like today, you've been less trying to solve it and more determined to make sure Floyd isn't lynched.

I don't think matt is bad. He may be miss reading things and reacting to them in a matt sort of way, but I don't think he's bad.

FZ. wrote:
bea wrote:fz - without any game info - purely based on her thread actions, it's in the 98+ percent range. I'm usually all over with svs, this is the strongest civ read I've had on her in years. So, yes, she could still be fooling me as much as anyone can be, but I find it very very very very unlikely. Like outside of her admitting to being bad or there's an infodump, I just can't see a vote there.

Golden - I get why you feel the way you do about nanner. For realz. I was just including him on the list because he is unknown to me.
I understand, but I really don't get how if you two don't know anything about each other, both of you can be sure about the other, unless that's your way of not telling me you have info.

The thing with SVS is, either she's been quite rude and ignored specific questions I asked her, or it's too convenient that she ignored those questions.
Here are the questions she ignored:
1. I asked her after the first lynch (when it was between zebra and Eloh) why she decided yours and Floyd's votes were baddies not wanting to vote for their team mate (Eloh) and not wanting to be associated with the civ lynch (zebra), and why she didn't think that Eloh could be a civ and you two could still not want to take part in either civ's lynch. Never got an answer for that.
2. She said townie FZ tends to do x, while baddie FZ tends to do Y. I asked her when have she ever seen me as a baddie (since I was a baddie only one time here and it lasted a day due to reasons not related to me). She never answered that.

I think these are two important questions and she ignored both. The first one I asked twice, by the way.

So either she has something personal against me, or she's bad who doesn't know what to say.

I don't have info. It's just a gut read. And it could be wrong, but I will be very very sad if it is. It means I've played with her regularly for like 5 years now, met her twice, consider her one of my dearest friends and I STILL can't figure out her mafia.

As to your questions, I don't know why she didn't answer them, but I hope she does. I do believe though that she's not intentionally trying to be rude or mean to you. I think sometimes people read her tone more aggressive than she means it to be. She's a New York, straight to the point, no apologies kinda gal and sometimes that gets read more harsh than I know she intends it to be. She also has one of the largest hearts I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. I know darn well that if you are upset IRL about how she's treated you - she is the sort that will feel VERY badly about it.

fz - without any game info - purely based on her thread actions, it's in the 98+ percent range. I'm usually all over with svs, this is the strongest civ read I've had on her in years. So, yes, she could still be fooling me as much as anyone can be, but I find it very very very very unlikely. Like outside of her admitting to being bad or there's an infodump, I just can't see a vote there.

Golden - I get why you feel the way you do about nanner. For realz. I was just including him on the list because he is unknown to me.

fwiw - I don't think SVS is bad. I also don't think FZ is bad.

The people I'm *least* sure of are floyd, luke, blooper and nannarnannar.

I'd like to hear a bit more from floyd. I don't suspect him for his day 1 vote, glass houses and all. I can't shake the feeling that he might not be bad, but also I can see how his reluctance to talking about his day 0 till after MM"s lynch makes him look suspicious. It's decent thread evidence and I'd like to hear him talk more about why he was so unwlling to discuss the item initially as well as point me to where I missed his reasoning for voting FZ.

If he doesn't satisfy the itch so to speak with his response, that's likely where my vote is going.

TheFloyd73 wrote:FZ is my vote

I think I missed why - can you explain more?

I swear on my newly aquired growler of red ale from the new brewery it's not eloh. I can't tell you who it is because I've been hoodwinked by them at every step, but I am not bad.

I know. See what I mean matt? It's 6 on a staurday. The missed and bad votes are not indicative of my allignment they are a symptom of the time being very in convinent for me. (Not that I'm complaining about it. Epi is a fine host and he will run his game as he sees fit. It just is what it is.)

Linkie. Well then. He was going for the sympathy vote.

This means just Sting is left on team Harkonnen right?

Gah!

I literally voted while it closed. It was luke btw.

Matt F wrote:
bea wrote:Matt. I've said before all the polls end during dinner rush. Go back and look at my day 1 posts again. I got to the thread VERY late. I was trying to catch up and make a decison. No one was answering my questions and I did the best thing I knee to do since I didn't agree with the zebra vote and I had No clear understanding why the others were taking votes.

I'm at work now but trying to hold onto my vote as long as I can in case I have to save.

I hear ya but I still feel bad about you. I'm not going to write out millions of posts though as I usually do, but I do believe you're on team Harkonnen.

Understandable about holding onto your vote in case you have to save, but in a scenario that wasn't the case, who are you looking at today?

Your beliefs as to which team I am on is incorrect.

I would lean toward blooper or luke if I weren't worried about dying. I'm not sure if everyone else is on the up and up or if I'm getting played by someone.

Linki - th, fz brings up a decent point about the timing of his activity. I am considering it. Of the three quiet ones I think he is more likely bad than flyid or nanner.

Matt. I've said before all the polls end during dinner rush. Go back and look at my day 1 posts again. I got to the thread VERY late. I was trying to catch up and make a decison. No one was answering my questions and I did the best thing I knee to do since I didn't agree with the zebra vote and I had No clear understanding why the others were taking votes.

I'm at work now but trying to hold onto my vote as long as I can in case I have to save.

You would be incorrect, but do what you must.

Turnip Head wrote:
Luke11646 wrote:
bea wrote:Luke! You are here! What do you think about...well...everything....

Linki sorsha. That's a fair point as well.
I think that one of the forced voters is the one that forced the other two to vote and voted to make it look like they were forced to vote as well, also Bea really wanted to save sig and he turned out to be bad, Matt F made a good case on her pointing that out.

What does this even mean Luke? Everyone who voted Floyd was trying to save sig, do you think they're all bad? Why single out bea?

Because my name is being tossed around more than the others as a lynch candidate. Im being talked about so im obviously bad. Silly th asking silly questions....

Sorsha wrote:Bea you are seeming entirely too accommodating to everyone's posts....

Yup. I do try to see what everyone is saying. I don't find fault in that at all. I'm sorry if you do.

I can understand that eloh. Can you see how cigs that weren't forced to vote might take the save sig route? And if you can see that, who do you most likely think would fit that bill based on the votes?

Luke! You are here! What do you think about...well...everything....

Linki sorsha. That's a fair point as well.

Elohcin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Dear God this autocorrect. I think TH and bea ARE bad. There.
I very seriously think Bea is not bad; on a scale of 1 to 10, I would give it a nine. I do think Matt is bad, though.
I very seriously think Matt is not bad. On a scale of one to ten, I give it a nine.

Why?

Admittedly I didn't ask the same question of svs. I had assumed it was because I quick civ read her and she and Sorsha have honestly played with me longer than anyone else so I just figured if she was sure I was civ, it's because I am. But fair is fair.

Svs- what in my posts makes you think I am civ to the 9 out of 10 degree?

MacDougall wrote:There is an awful lot of defending of other players going on in this game. I really hate it. Let them defend themselves with genuine defense rather than vague allusions to role knowlege and focus on your own hunt.

Fair enough. You think eloh is bad. Anyone else?

Matt F wrote:
bea wrote:Matt. I have no reason to believe any of those things because I have no nefarious intentions. If I was blocked last night, that wasn't the reason there weren't any kills.

In the case you seem to be implying (that I am a killer who was blocked - let's not dance around it k? I like plain, clear and simple.)
A + B does not = C.

If you believed I was blocked, maybe I was. The host did not inform me if I was or not. But my potential blocking has nothing to do with the lack of kills last night.
Who's dancing around? I feel I'm being pretty straight forward.

Anywho, your willingness to answer my inquiries is cool beans. I did not take into consideration that you were working the pizza/football storm.

Who are your top suspects today?

Besides you, I like FZ, zebra, TH in that order.

I think zebra is likely civ due to the deleted by the host post I saw. Therefore if you saw it and understood it cool. If not I will not elaborate.

I go back and forth on fz. Her play style reminds me of teen wolf when we were both civ but both manipulated so bad by the baddies that we couldn't see the forest for the trees. I think that seems thing may be going on with her and svs. Th I have little read on. He read most civ to me in death note when he was a civ aligned Indi.

Like I said, I'd like to hear boatloads more from bandana and luke. I think floyd is likely civ. Not sure about blooper. Not sure about you, but I keep trying to be open minded in that department despite the fact that you think I'm bad. Don't know what that makes me, except maybe a fool. God knows this wouldn't be the first time I was a fool in a mafia game...

Matt. I have no reason to believe any of those things because I have no nefarious intentions. If I was blocked last night, that wasn't the reason there weren't any kills.

In the case you seem to be implying (that I am a killer who was blocked - let's not dance around it k? I like plain, clear and simple.)
A + B does not = C.

If you believed I was blocked, maybe I was. The host did not inform me if I was or not. But my potential blocking has nothing to do with the lack of kills last night.

Matt F wrote:I didn't realize...did you mean you were working via "pizza/football storm" ? I took that to mean you were chillin' out at home, watchin' football and eatin' pizza.

Be back in a bit.

I am the GM of a pizza shop. I'm the boss. Which means, I always get the short end of the stick. Someone calls in sick? I have to stay over. Some one's car breaks down? I have to stay over. I work roughly 60 hours a week - not counting meetings - in a job that is physically and mentally demanding and has VERY limited free time for interpreting. If you look at the times I'm around you will see they are consistently later in the est time zone. Subtract the 2 hour difference and it's roughly usually after 9 pm my time. Unless I close - which sometimes can mean I'm getting done with work at 3 am my time and enjoying a few well earned beers as you all are waking up in the am. My posts are often franticly made from my phone at work and sometimes not well explained. I'm sorry for that, again, the fault is mine.

Today is a weird day. I have a wifey obligation tonight with my hubby so we are enjoying a VERY rare friday off together and I'm sneeking in some mafia with coffee while he does his football stuffs.

FZ. wrote:I think we should look at Blooper and Luke today and not only TH.

If you look at those who were NK the first two nights, they were both people who voted Sig on day 1. On day 2, Blooper voted Sig, when she was the only one and he wasn't close to being lynched, while Drac didn't, yet Blooper didn't die night 2, but Drac did.

In addition, I don't have time to quote all of Blooper's post from before last day's lynch, but if you go read back you'll see that she starts off saying it seems Floyd's name is being thrown around but people are hesitant to vote him. The, she give a few reasons why Floyd might not be the baddie, but then gradually starts shifting her opinion. She still says she's a little suspicious of Sig, but the 3 vote manipulation is making her hesitate.
If anyone can do an ISO of her, that would be great.

As for Luke-
Why is Luke so afraid to take a stance? He keeps voting for people who are not going to be lynched and like zebra said, his "don't know" posts are getting old. That's all he's done. Oh no, wait, he also said Floyd doesn't look bad to him only after the deadline which brought a tie between MM and Floyd. Was he setting himself to look good if Floyd was the one lynched? Because right now, it looks as though Floyd is good, which makes Luke look worse in my opinion. Notice he didn't make any comment on MM, just Floyd.

TH-
His record is bad, but so is mine. Like I said before, if I had to guess, I'd say TH is a third party. He's involved, but not as I expect. Yet his statements seem rather genuine.
But hell, what do I know, right?

Your thoughts on blooper, luke and TH make sense to me FZ. I tried to ask Luke somewhere if this was his first game or not, but I'm sure it slipped through the cracks.

I *think* Luke and Nannarbobaner are the two friends Floyed talked into playing. I'd like to hear more from them both in general, but if they are new to the game, the floundering would make more sense.

Matt F wrote:Looking over the polls...

bea self voted Day 1. If I'm correct, the only confirmed meta we have on Bea, re: self voting, is a game where she was bad, right? I believe Mac asked her for a game where was civ and self voted, and bea said...

bea wrote:I honestly feel like my time would be better spent looking at this game than searching all the games I've played to find an example.

On Day 1, the leading candidates were Zebra 1.0 (civvie), Eloh (currently Golden/Sorsha believe her to be civ aligned, correct?) with three votes a piece, and sig with two votes. So, one civvie, one potential civvie, and one baddie were bea's choices. She self-votes instead.

On Day 2, bea missed the vote completely. This is the day that MM was lynched. In response to missing the vote...

bea wrote:I'm very sorry I missed the vote. My sunday got away from me in a storm of football and pizza.
Did anyone challenge bea on this? The day phase after she self votes, she misses a vote where Mafia is successfully lynched. Because of the football/pizza storm. I know this is going to sound crazy guys, but believe it or not, I have actually used my computer, eaten food, AND watched TV at the same time. I know it sounds wild, but it's true.

On Day 3, bea pushes Floyd into a tie with sig. But I'm not surprised, after all, this is what bea had been saying about sig all day...

Spoiler: show
bea wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Golden wrote:@Eloh - I've read all your posts very carefully.
And do you have any response?

I suspect there will be more votes on Sig before the day's end. What I am curious about is...why sig?

Is the redirection role usually a baddie role or a civ role?

@ Sorsha. I do. Are you voting for Sig today too?
I asked why sig when he was talked about day 1. Sig and Eloh's names were flying all over the thread in the 12th hour and no one would answer me. So yea, eloh - I'd like an answer to "why sig" too.

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bea wrote:I still don't understand why sig was getting votes at the late hours of day 1 and NOONE has explained it to me.

Then BR was killed N1 - when she suspected sig. Then I talked to sig and felt ok about him - now this.

Day 2 they lost Marrmot. That has to be a huge hit to their team. So they NK N2 Drac/devin who also suspcted sig early on because you know - deflection and junk.

So yea, I'm pretty leary that the 3 peeps were force voted and NOONE can still give me a decent case about why sig is so bad.

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bea wrote:I think whatever put sig in the position he is currently in was redirected. I think the votes were forced probably in conjunction with the redirect to sig to get rid of him. I don't know why, but it seems like people have been trying to get rid of sig since day 1.

And again, no one can tell me why.

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bea wrote:I think 3 votes at the start of the day with no explanation is a super sign of forced votes don't you?

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bea wrote:I think golden flat out saying "I"m sorry I'm on this train" is a signal.

I think eloh's constant talk about redirect roles is a signal.

Don't you?

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bea wrote:and I will ask this again LOUD AND IN CAPS SO NO ONE CAN IGNORE ME - WHAT IS THE CASE ON SIG? WHY IS HE BAD???

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bea wrote:re: sig - I think that's just it though, there's been a vauge nondescript steady lynch pull for sig since br died. By Marhsmellow's hand - but no one who actually mentions his name or suspects him can articulate why he is bad in any way outside of how you just did.

I've tried to find a case and I can't. If I missed it - someone please link me back.

That just REAKS of set up to me.
The above looks like a bea who really does not want sig lynched. Like, really bad doesn't want him gone. Before hearing "Why would bea cry so hard over a teamie?", can I at least get an agreement that this looks like a bea who really does not want sig lynched?

You know what else interests me about bea, btw?

After our convo last night, where bea was telling me how I crossed the line "target painting" Sorsha, I found this post...

NOVEMBER 3RD, 3:44 AM

bea wrote:
Matt F wrote:Where's Sorsha? Hey Sorsha, since for some inexplicable reason the Harkonnen didn't kill you, here are a couple of quotes for you...

I am civ. I don't have btsc. I am town aligned. I root for the townies. Townies are my best friend.

Take any or all of those and report back so Golden and Mac can get off my back, please.
I'm sorry if this has been addressed, but it stands out to me.
Why do you think Sorsha has a lie detector role?
Am I dreaming? This looks like bea asking me why I think Sorsha has a lie detector role. She even apologizes if it's already been addressed, but in case it hasn't, she'd like to know why I think Sorsha has a lie detect role. By asking me that, I'm assuming she expected me to answer and give her the reason why I thought that?

What a weird question from someone, who two days later would tell me I "crossed the line" in regards to Sorsha. I mean, you would think, bea would not have asked me to dive further into my reasoning regarding Sorsha and having a lie detect. Right?

Anyway, the self-vote Day 1, the no vote Day 2 because of pizza/football storms, and the push tie vote for Floyd Day 3 really make me wonder where bea stands.

Tomorrow I will look up ISO's on sig and MM to see where they were on bea, unless someone would like to help me with that? Anyway...

Toodles!

I haven't voted great for sure.
I'm often floundering around with my thoughts and opinions. I was not blessed with any kind of info this game and I'm indecisive as hell.
I did self vote day 1 because I got done working literally 15 minutes before the poll ended. All that stuff that happens late in the poll end? I'm working during them. All the time. 8pm est is smack in the middle of dinner rush. Regardless of the shift I work (open or closing) I'm busy then. The storm of pizza and football sounds like fun to everyone except the PEPLE WHO HAVE TO MAKE ALL THE PIZZA. That would be me. You all get to sit around and have a good time. I work my ass off to get you dinner as quickly as possible. I'm not trying by any means to hid behind my job but it's a very real factor in my levels and times of participation. It is my first priority.

Sure. I voted sig. I thought it was unlikely that he was bad given the force votes. I did the best I could. I'm sorry it wasn't good enough.

I asked why you thought Sorsha was a lie detector specifically because I was wondering why you would assign her a particular role. As I have said, there is more than one way to gain info in mafia games and while it may be obvious that she has some sort of info role, why would you want to assign her a role? That was the target painting I was talking about. That was my whole point. I am sure I didn't do a good enough job explaining it. This is my fault entirely.

I'm not bad. I do not have btsc. I'm doing the very best I can. I will not go through the many, many games I've played on here, Rev, Hedville, and LP to find you an example of when I self voted as a civ. Again, you are welcome to do it. I know they exist. But that is a herculian task Matt and I do have better things to do with my time. I have just enough time to play the game to keep caught up and try to remember to vote.

Matt F wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
No one has been killed.

It is now Day 4. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.
bea, does this outcome surprise you? Who do you think was targeted, if anyone?

I'm pretty happy about no kills. I'm not sure why you ask if that suprises me? It's not completely uncommon for a pm to not get sent in or for a kill to get blocked. Are you asking who I think was targeted for a kill? I have no idea.

ok matt. you are right. you did nothing wrong and I'm a silly fool for trying to point out how I think other people could misconsture your potential civness. You absolutely did nothing wrong and I was completely wasting time and barking up the wrong tree to try to say at all how I think you are civ and that you also MAY have maybe overstepped. That was my bad. I should know by now to let everyone just play their own game. Forgive me please.

Carry on same as it ever was.

linki- mac - I would be ok with doing that - but I will be at work till 5 pm at least (if my CSR doesn't call out *again* tomorrow) which is 7 pm EST - do the math back from there to aussie land.

Basicly, if I'm around I'm down - just don't know if I'll be around.

also - Kate would have at least given me a hug for the "I do believe in lawyers" post.

I agree Golden. The last game on her site we played together, we were both civs being manipulated by other baddies. I still want to give her the chance to respond, but at this point, I don't see how today can't be about talking about her. Or blooper tbh.

linki - matt- I don't see how you don't think you did it? If she implied something - she did that, you assigning a role to her hint makes the target bigger. I don't see why you don't think you did that? And matt, I say this as someone who's crossed the line more times than she can count, if she has that role and if you said something that could have outed that role, you did not do her more subtle hint service. Even if you correctly assume the baddies saw the same things you saw.

I still don't think you are necessarily bad, but you have to see what I'm saying right?

In any event, at the moment, I'm more concerned about finding the things we agree on than finding the things I think you might have played wrong. Focusing on the latter feels like civs running in circles tbh. We can philosophically agree to disagree and let shorsha and svs chime in about how they feel they have been treated. Sound good?

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