The Syndicate

me too. *sigh*

DharmaHelper wrote:Did Epi ever post the riddle I gave Equivocate? No? Here:

"The answer to this riddle is the word green. Literally all you have to do is send the Hosts a PM with the word Green in it and you solved it."

Speaking of old skool, this made me cackle like my name was Illy.

DFaraday wrote:Sorry, Bea, I didn't realize it would bother you that much. In Mafia I don't consider anybody off limits, I wouldn't feel like I'm playing fair that way.

You did suspect me a bit, but my main fear at that point was Scotty, since he'd come up with that accurate case on me. But I figured it would be much too obvious to take him out. You were just the right mix of not voicing support for me but also not having gone hard after me.

It's all good sweets. Just mafia trash talking.

also - I just want to add that all things concidered Dom played an amazing game.

well...you see how much influence I had on the game. Essentially I won it because SVS likes me and she's such a good player she can win with 'nilla civ conditions.

Bane lived past day 4...so yea...

S~V~S wrote:
Enrique wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I was so nervous I was gonna get crowed before endgame. I almost intentionally got myself lynched since I could win dead or alive.
I wanted to blow the game open. I needed a Falcone win to make sure Montoya was dead, so I was gonna stall the game as much as possible. Tonight (or tomorrow, depending on the lynch's result) I was gonna "slip up" and post a fake BTSC message implying I was Thorne, getting some of my biggest suspects out of the way ("we should get Bullzeye lynched" etc, also saying I'd kill MP and hoping the mafia would follow ). Then the following day I was either going to be lynched, or maybe try to sway the thread to get Dom/Lorab for good before the Mafia. Once I was lynched, I had an extra life I won solving the mystery so y'all would have had to spend two days on me. That would've opened the Lazarus Pit, hopefully bringing more baddies back that you'd have to spend your lynches on. I wanted to do this so badly smh.

SVS why didn't you want to be my friend?
Wow nice evil plot, I am impressed!

Becasue I wanted bea, really. I had a short list, but once I was sure bea was not bad (tbh I thought she was civ, but she did have no bts, next best thing, I was right about her not being bad) I tried to join with her night one, but was blocked, I assume. It failed. Night two I officially targeted No One so i could get past double targeting, and Night Three it went through

It was so much fun. We had phone BTS and plotted. She really was playing for the civs, she said as much in the PM she sent to MP night 4, it was extremely softball. She targeted him to make a case on someone he had already voted for. Then she died Night 4 So the rest of the game, I had no real agenda except staying alive. There were one or two times I was like *meh*, but I am glad I tried and won becasue I did not realize that "sharing win conditions" meant that SHE won if *I* survived. So I am super pleased I stuck it out. She was so into her role and had some great plans, I was pretty bummed when she died.

OK, so I am the suck at role guessing ha ha. I thought Typhoony was the Scarecrow ha ha ha. But I was impressed with Bullz conviction, and Dom being a baddie was OK for me. But @Bullz, had we voted Lorab, we would have went Dom next night and one more would have been crowed, OR who knows what shenanigans Enrique would have gotten up to. I think you Scarecrowed peeps were never gonna get saved, so you got the rest of us the max # of winners. Really, don't beat yourself up.

DH, well done, I looked at that anagram, had an anxiety attack,lashed out at Epi, and said "Nope". And again, very sincerely sorry for the "STFU". It was unacceptable.

@Glorfindel, dont. Just don't. You are awesome, and sometimes it takes time to find your feet in a new place. I hope you don't give up trying. We are not that bad, although sometimes we must seem so to someone as kind and soft spoken as yourself. Give us another chance.

Yay us!! Congrats on a win Scotty

The BEST part about this - is I really never actually got to use my role much while I was alivey.

I voted wilgy D1 and he was NKed N1.
I missed the day 2 vote because RL.
Day 3 I voted the lynched guy
D4 I voted MP and at least confirmed he really was Robin and died that night.

I was so playing for the civs that I didn't get to use my powers once because I voted for the guy who got lynched.

OMG - I was DYING when everyone thought Typh was Penguin. Remember me defending him on the "He's not THAT nub?" Yea. I wasn't that nub either and I'm Queen Nub.

I still don't understand why Penguin had so much paranoia at the start of the game. Like for real - he was the least of the inmates. But SO much the topic of conversation at the beginning of the game.

Still DF. You were my spidey buddy for so long...now you are macaroni.

linki- with MP - I don't think I deserved this either, but it fits my pattern of winning one game per year that gets me into the champs game that is willy nilly and hap hazzardly some how not earned but won.

I'm super happy that it happened when I was teammates with SVS. Cuz she rocks my world. Thanks SVS for keeping Team Penguin alive with no powers and nothing to offer as leverage.

You guys. Really. Think about that for a second. Our power resided with me. She netted us a win with NO fucking power. Just her words, her play.

Ya'll should chalk her play up this game as a case study of how a 'nilla civ should play. I kept trying to keep up but couldn't. svs is amazing.

Epignosis wrote:I don't know why some of you independents didn't just target the shit out of non-players.

my power only worked on people actually playing the game...so yea...

DFaraday wrote:Yes, I killed Batman! Though apparently I didn't hit anyone I actually needed dead.

I know people thought my kills were weird choices, but I was specifically trying to take out people that couldn't be in any way traced back to me. I think I succeeded in that at least.

NOPE. You killed me. I think that means you felt deep down threatened by me. I believe about the time you killed me - I was starting to question your motives.

I won't forget Macaroni.

I. won't. forget.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If it weren't for Long Con, you all wouldn't have had this fun little playground. He made the map and wrote all the [good] stories. I was too swamped to write.

Best cohost ever.

You are too kind. I was Mr Disappearing Act a bunch of times. I enjoyed this game, and I'm really glad BR got her win!

YAY BLACK ROCK!!!!

Epignosis wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If it weren't for Long Con, you all wouldn't have had this fun little playground. He made the map and wrote all the [good] stories. I was too swamped to write.

Best cohost ever.

Eat my shorts.
You were okay. C+

I kinda like that this thing right here is still a thing.

And also I kinda go OMG *roll eyes*

DharmaHelper wrote:Here's my first riddle, and probably my best tbqh.

Send this to Matt:

Here's a riddle for you! No cheating now, or you'll end up a corpse. I'll be keeping tabs on you, so solve it quickly. Remember, you're in my house now so we're playing by my rules.

I've got wings like a bat, but don't wait.
I've got the walk of a cat, but no gait.

What am I?
Answer:
Spoiler: show
The answer to the riddle is "A stage" The wings of a stage are where actors and tech crew "wait". Most stages also have a cat walk (walk of a cat). It's also important that you send the WHOLE message, because there are several hints in the first half of the message (cheating, corpse, tabs, house, and playing are all technical terms associated with theatre)

For Matt's curse since he failed to solve this riddle, I made him quote Shakespeare plays. Which was intended to be a hint as to the answer of the riddle.[/quote]

That is brilliant!!!

As far as a flat out curse goes, I loved it as I read it. OMG - so much Shakespeare fun. For realizies. BEST curse ever. As opposed to your brother's "quote all the ghosts in A Christmas Carol in sequential order." WORST curse ever.

awe...fuck. I should have known. Both of you be damn literate.

Don't know what matt was going on about how we had to help him continue on to be able to solve it, looks like you gave him everything he needed. If only he had eyes to see.

You were a good ed nigma.

Enrique wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I was so nervous I was gonna get crowed before endgame. I almost intentionally got myself lynched since I could win dead or alive.
I wanted to blow the game open. I needed a Falcone win to make sure Montoya was dead, so I was gonna stall the game as much as possible. Tonight (or tomorrow, depending on the lynch's result) I was gonna "slip up" and post a fake BTSC message implying I was Thorne, getting some of my biggest suspects out of the way ("we should get Bullzeye lynched" etc, also saying I'd kill MP and hoping the mafia would follow ). Then the following day I was either going to be lynched, or maybe try to sway the thread to get Dom/Lorab for good before the Mafia. Once I was lynched, I had an extra life I won solving the mystery so y'all would have had to spend two days on me. That would've opened the Lazarus Pit, hopefully bringing more baddies back that you'd have to spend your lynches on. I wanted to do this so badly smh.

SVS why didn't you want to be my friend?

Because she was my friend instead? And we are awesome BTS buddies when we are civ. Which in MY role we were.

We had excactly 50 seconds of awesome.

I'm so happy you won though SVS - you did it on my win con without my powers.

You are amazing!!!!

Epignosis wrote:Turnip Head- Batman
Metalmarsh89- Alfred
MovingPictures07- Robin
Scotty- Gordon
MacDougall- Bullock
juliets- Montoya
sprityo- Cop 1
ekeknat- Cop 2
DrWilgy- Cop 4
Bass_the_Clever- Cop 5
Lorab- Cop 7
Glorfindel- Cop 8
Equivocate- Cop 9
Golden- Cop 10
Dom- Falcone
sabie12- Zsasz
Bubbles- Cop 6
DFaraday- Maroni
Nerolunar- Zucco
TheFloyd73- Cop 3
S~V~S- Thorne
Black Rock- The Joker
bea- The Penguin
a2thezebra- Catwoman
Matt- Scarecrow
DharmaHelper- The Riddler
Typhoony- Two-Face
Sorsha- Poison Ivy
Bullzeye- Bane
sig- Mr. Freeze
Enrique- Ra’s al Ghul

*Inactives could not win or negatively influence someone's win condition*

OK macaroni's - why did you kill me????!!!!!!
DF - I may hold you personally responsible in my revenging.

Golden wrote:
LoRab wrote:how did your sermon go?
i think it went pretty well. I was feeling good about this one for a while.

I would love to read it if you have a copy of it.

Also I'm pretty positive the game is over since it says endgame at the top but better safe than sorry.

srs bns. rez pleaz

rez please??? Please....

rip me.

and on a night I can't drown my sorrows in beer too. *bawls* I won't forget this marconis.

Good god bea. Repeatey girl much?

Glor - I for one like that you are polite. Don't loose that part of your game please. We could stand to have some more of it round these parts. I know it's hard to be the new guy in a super complex game with so much talk of meta but really you are in a unique position because you can see things the rest of us might miss because we are so used to each other. Don't be affraid to voice your opinions. I for one, welcome the fresh look.

oi - also I'm going to fishie's place tonight.

Matt wrote:
Enrique wrote:
juliets wrote:
Enrique wrote:Turnip Head noooo

Enrique why the cry of "noooo"?
There was speculation earlier that the Riddler was disappearing people. TH getting cursed then not talking all night isn't a good sign.
I would like to point out I was talking just fine on nights 2 and 3, unless people still believe I was "faking"

So then not the same situation. cool.

I don't think you were faking matt.

sabie12 wrote:I'm going to blackgate today.

Hey sabie - wotchya think about the last not lynch?

Any thoughts for the game?

Good job not dying MP.

I agree that I think this was the right time for this to happen. I can see where it would have continued to be an issue and turning attention away from the thread.

I will admit though, as I was voting, my paranoia that "this won't help the civs" would be along the the lines of MP's role is the secret unnamed role of Suicidey and he takes with him everyone who lynched him. Then I had to keep telling myself that you are only playing this game, not hosting it.

Also - MP - dude - I asked for a couple words about why you thought what you thought on your list. You gave me an essay. Way to over achieve. And thanks.

linki - so TH got Chefified then silenced?

If mp wants out I guess I will vote him. I still have some lingering worry that this is somehow going to bite the civs backside somehow. I hope I'm just being paranoid.

MacDougall wrote:
MacDougall wrote:sabie12 had been seemingly having a great time just scratching around in the dirt like a speckled hen. Not really doing much, then out of the blue sabie decided to have a crack at some case building.

sabie12 wrote:There's no link to me because I was a replacement so I guess Epi forgot to put me in. I am finding this whole Matt situation suspicious. Not sure why Enrique is all of the sudden out of nowhere changing his mind about him. Seems kind of weird. And why is Matt telling people to vote for him?
This is the sort of commentary that nub scum always make. Always emphasising their confusion. "Not sure... Seems kind of...".

sabie12 wrote:Actually I feel as though there has been an entire day to respond but you haven't because you can't I guess. Shouldn't Matt be the one defending himself rather than someone else?
Here sabie continues pressing Matt.

sabie12 wrote:I'm thinking I'm going to stick with the Matt vote. Today has been very confusing but Matt's posts even without the knock knock things were strange. Enrique all of the sudden changed his mind with not a great explanation regarding Matt, which is odd. Even though I have been keeping up I still find it difficult to figure out exactly what's up with the whole situation.
And here sabie votes for Matt, despite Enrique the case pusher actually changing his mind. Sabie's vote for Matt on this day was really unusual.

Now, where's sabie's Matt suspicion gone? Nubcivs get real tunnely imo when they get the scent of a scum. Evidently sabie did... but she completely dropped the suspicion of Matt. Because why? Because he started posting like Shakespeare? She didn't just drop suspicion, she has somehow managed to avoiding posting about or to him during this entire Matt kerfuffle.

Sabiescum y'all.

How bout it bea?
*ahem* bea I am waiting for your agreement.

Honestly, she was who I had in min with inexperienced with cursing roles so maybe? I'm like super drunk
My hubby decided like 4 beers ago he was driving me to work. Nappy now. Cuddle with the hubby. I tried to mafia as long as I could....

I see what you are saying mac, just to drunk atm to be 100 on it ya know?

MacDougall wrote:Yeah... I don't really think bea is mafia anymore. I haven't seen mafia bea yet though so I wouldn't know what I was looking at if it was.

Now bea, look at Faraday's explanation for the posts Scotty has considered suspect and tell me that it isn't a perfectly rational explanation. Quite difficult to be that clear in explaining motive if it's not the truth. I know how that feels in this game.

I swear to you I will look back on it or at least not vote him tomorrow if I can't look back. I'm very drunk and the hubby has called bedtime. Wooooot!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Reaction noted, I still feel good about you by the way. Just testing.

YOU ARE A DICK!

so - then anti up mothafucker.

you got two pissy posts out of me. pay off or I will think you don't care and are the last memeber of the nero team and just vote you tomorrow.

MovingPictures07 wrote:And bea, for someone who seemed so sure that mafia MP would never give up on his teammates and would give them the chance to bus him, you're quick to change your mind. Mac's right; you keep agreeing with case after case and your contributions are opportunistic at best.

You're definitely one to talk, since you're likely anti-town. I'm not.

how is open minded opportunistic? Why do you think I'm anit-town?

I'm never going to be a case maker and I didn't ask you to case make. I asked you to give a little more explaination to why you rainbowed people the way you did.

And you read me green. I just asked why you had the thoughts of the people post green you had. I didn't need cases I needed just a few words. Or points to quotes or anything.

I asked for a little more explanation and now I'm baddie mcbadderson?? really?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't really care to impress or persuade any of you with my play. That's not why I'm playing this game. I've tried my best to get engaged in this game, only to be met with millions of more posts and some attitudes I didn't really care for, on top of being poisoned. When I actually did try, I got caught up in the moment and voted for sig instead of Nero, of course what seems to have been a terrible decision.

Seems you're quick to cast the shade at me, bea, when you've hardly done any case building of your own. As to whom I suspect, that's what the rainbow list is for. The names near the bottom are the ones I suspect.

I can't get my head wrapped around this game; there are too many inmates and still too many posts. I can't be bothered to ISO and analyze. I don't want to and I don't have time to. I asked to be replaced, but considering there are four or five players with much less posts than me that would need to be replaced first still have not, I'm stuck in this game.

I'm just trying to have fun at this point, frankly. I stopped giving a shit about winning a while ago. Just lynch me already.

Really??? I'm the one to cast shade on you MP? Are you fucking kidding me??

I've been more open to you being a civ than damn near everyone in this game.

And you KNOW I'm not a case making player. But I will say what I agree with and what I don't agree with. I wasn't asking for a long ass ISO case on anyone. I was asking what in general made you put those people at the low end of things. I don't think I was asking the impossible.

I thought - I may have been stupid for thinking so - that this game you saw what I was saying IRL when I said "next game I host there are max posting limits cuz be concise mother fuckers. I'm a busy girl."

I admire that you are trying to have fun, and I think you truely are.

But if you are for the town, please be for the town and not just a dumb fuck. For me. Go back and ISO me if you must, but I have defended the idea that you could be civ.

So if you are pro town help a sista out. If you are not - continue on and have fun. And I'm sorry if my vote lands on you at the end of day - but don't you DARE say I didn't give you every opportunity to talk me out of it.

MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
Scotty wrote:I dunno guys, I don't think DFaraday is looking good from my standpoint.
I like your case, Scotty.
I don't really get it. Maybe my comprehension skills are lacking. Not saying it's bad, but I legit didn't understand what he was getting at?

I'm seeing a lot of people just replying to wallpost cases in this game with things like "I like it"... or "this makes a lot of sense"... It's annoying me.

Though I have to say, this has been a very high quality game so far. Very impressive levels of analysis going on here. Lurkers notwithstanding.

df is particularly usually hard to read. I thought that Scotty pointed out where his few posts were defensive posts for Nero. And I typically never remember much from DF except that he's an involved low poster, I'm ok with hearing how this case is wrong in detail as well, but as I read it - it makes sense to me.

If you don't see it - tell me how. Please. Cuz he's one of the peeps I'm thinking of voting for - and if I should reconcider it, I'd like to know that I should.

MacDougall wrote:I'm still feeling that El Presidente is mafia and the final member of that team. He and Zebra were two of the only players who didn't vote for Nero, and both voted early so the fact they didn't bus him could simply be because they were trying to dictate the lynch. This kind of gambit is totally up MPs alley as well. The amount of bullshit he spins as mafia is incredible.

He wants to be lynched, claims it'll be pretty good for the town and there is still doubt there that he might be mafia anyway. Either he's telling the truth and his lynch is good or he's lying and his lynch is great. Win fucking win. Can we agree to lynch him then move on with analysis?

Linki: TH were Bullzeye and myself speculating about Riddler's role even close to accurate?

at this point, I have to say - unless I miss something in the next few pages, I'm ok with this lynch.

I've tried to see a civ reason he could act the way he has - I have tried to plug him into an inmate role that would still be civ friendly.

I have to say - occum is starting to bare down on MP.

At this point I feel - if he's not willing to work for his survival, why should I?

MacDougall wrote:When Matt infers role knowledge or otherwise adamant conviction in an opinion he is wrong more often than he is right. He was adamant to the fault of the entire civ cause that I was mafia in Star Wars. His "knowledge" that Riddler is dead is probably just a strong belief that someone in particular was Riddler communicated as surety because he's Matt. That's not to say Matt can't find bad guys, he absolutely can, but when he gets tunnel vision it's usually incorrect. He's usually right when he isn't as convinced he's right.

And in my opinion Zebra was mafia. The case I made on her was lock and she didn't even bother refuting it because she couldn't. She could have explained why she didn't call him out "I didn't see that" instead she immediately went to "oh woe is me" poetry and indie claiming. Scum as fuck. She was so certain she wasn't dying that night that she even came into the thread and voted straight away. Did anyone see who she voted for btw?

a2thezebra wrote:Sorry about the vote, hosts. At least it's the first so you can start the poll over easily.

is my memory wrong or was it sig?

Matt wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Matt wrote:Hmm.

I suspect Glor as Two-Face less and less everytime Bullz comes out of nowhere defending the guy.
You'll notice I also said we shouldn't lynch Typh if he's the Penguin. I just don't think we need to be wasting lynches on Arkham inmates that can easily be pro-civ.

That's the difference, I guess. I don't see Penguin as civ friendly (as some of you might) but I do see Two Face as civ friendly. Derp.

I think, generally, the arkham inmates should be taken out because that helps the cops (as a whole) and Wayne Manor, but I think Two Face is a special case especially considering who we think has that role. Lol I truly believe Glor would throw the game for himself to ensure a civvie win.[/quote

wait? wot???? matt.

Matt.

Matt.

Are you really saying that the Penguin who literally only has to live till the end of the game to win - with anyone. Is more of a threat than someone who only sometimes wins with the civs?? Given the fact that you think Glor would throw his role and sacrifice for the town win???

Why wouldn't you give the same thought to Penguin? He literally has to only live to win. Why is the Penguin more of a threat than the guy you think is two face who can literally win with the baddies at HALF the time given his win con?

This makes absolutely no sense to me. Like at all. Please explain cuz you read like total matt crazy man here.

MacDougall wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, part of the reason I thought that was the breadcrumb was due to this:

MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Zebra, how can something be indicative of baddie behavior if you can't identify a baddie motive for it?
Disingenuous

This overreaction is disingenuous.
Nah I'm role claiming Alfred.
The only other role claim I see in his posts during Night 2 is this:

MacDougall wrote:Lol "he has questions that need answering"...
Except for tons of "I am Batman" posts.
I know Turnip Head is posting like the Swedish Chef but he made a very astute observation in his most recent post.

I have not had a hard time understanding Turnip Chef at all.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
There is a very specific reason I've self-voted. It's because I want to be lynched.

I've been provoking my lynch by saying suspicious shit for days on purpose.
If you want to be lynched why are you arguing with people coming up with reasons to lynch you that you yourself have caused? That's unnecessarily contrarian.
Because it's still a waste of time, and because I'm not an anti-town role. And I did not cause them all to begin with, I've largely only started chaos posting since it became apparent that I was going to catch suspicion for the Nero stuff and for my lack of engagement.

if you are not anti -town - then start being not anti-town.

If you want to live - live.

You know how to play the game. Play it. Or not. But don't tell everyone who votes you for not playing it how easy they are taking it for voting you.

You could - you know - prove them wrong and play the game.

I'm swamped as swamped can be and I'm still trying.

Just sayin...

MacDougall wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Mac, I am not lynching anyone based on bullshit "clues" you won't reveal. I think the chance of him being any specific role is the same as anyone elses.

I have not seen Bwa ha ha MP yet, I don't think he is bad.

And it looks like TH is Swedish Cheffed, maybe? I got Swedish Cheffed in Muppets, and that looks like this.

@Matt, doh, lol. I forgot Typh had said that.

@Golden, what stuff,exactly?
Fortunately we don't need your vote because there's more than enough people who'd happily lynch him. So feel free to throw your vote away.
The irony.
You self voted.
Like I said, I have my reasons.

It's also apparent to me that many people would never stop suspecting me, and I thought my death was inevitable due to poison, so I've come to terms with my lynching quite a while ago.
This isn't Game of Thrones El Presidente. Because you came to terms with dying due to poison days ago doesn't explain why you would self vote at all. This explanation is like a poop moustache.

I have to say, I kinda agree with mac here.

especially if you magiaclly found the "go to the hospital" potential cure the next night phase that you magically "never thought of before."

I'm trying here MP - I really am, but you aren't exactly giving me a lot to go on or trust you for.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Day 4 MP rainbow list:

Scotty

Turnip Head
Golden

Sorsha

S~V~S
bea
Dom
Lorab
Bullzeye
sprityo

juliets
Glorfindel
Metalmarsh89

DharmaHelper
Bass_the_Clever
DFaraday
Equivocate
Bubbles
TheFloyd73

Matt
ekeknat
Typhoony

sabie12
MacDougall
Enrique

I'd personally prefer to hear why you put peeps where you put them on your list. Specifically the peeps you put past green.

Who are you suspish of and why MP?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think MacDougall's breadcrumb is bullsuit.

ok - so you did answer it. sorry - still catching up and drunk with my hubby. woot DRUNK WITH MY HUBBY!!!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Pretty sure I found Mac's breadcrumb.

do you believe it?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why exactly would you like to lynch me, Mac?

cuz you are weird mcweirdyson?

Like not bad - not town - totes not either. Weird MP who takes all my cranky at games and makes fun of them by saying he didn't mean them.

I would think if you were an inmate you would have picked a side.

Matt wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I mean, who gets a role that is anti-town 66% of the time and thinks "You know what's a smart idea, rolehinting as much as phyisically possible."
Are you saying Matt is wrong, because I think he's right. Glorfindel looks to be doing exactly that. It's pretty telling. I would argue though that Two Face is incredibly lynchable. His role is not civ friendly.
I think, if Glor was hinting, he would only do so "as a civvie".

Like DH said, why role hint so much as a bad guy? I think Glor is more "Harvey Dent" then anything else and I would personally oppose a Glorfy lynch.

wait - wot? werent you the one who was just a few pages ago pushing that he was absolutely 2 face - like a few pages ago?

Am I really stupid and don't see when your changes of thoughts happen? I feel like I'm stupid and I know I'm not. What the hell am I missing???

Scotty wrote:Do we think that any of Nero's teammates would have jumped on him early without provacation?

Looking through some people that voted sig, I'm finding DFaraday fishy.

Spoiler: show
DFaraday wrote:
Scotty wrote:Question to my voters yesterday (Dom, Mac, juliets, and DFaraday):
How likely are you to vote for me again tomorrow at this point in time?
Hypothetically if you don't vote for me, who would your vote go to right now?
1. Moderately unlikely. I don't agree with your stance, and it still feels unhelpful to the town, but I was in a hurry and slightly pinged by it. If any stronger suspicions arise I'll be voting for them instead.
2. Maybe Nerolunar, since his recent posts sounded like he was trying to encourage suspicion on SVS for missing the vote.
This is the first time he mentions Nero, bringing him up as a suspect early on when he hadn't much of any heat. This is the one thing that goes in DFaraday's favor. Why mention Nero, out of all the people her could have named as a potential suspect?

Spoiler: show
DFaraday wrote:
Matt wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Why would anyone try to engage discussion on what their role does? Almost nobody joined me, but I can´t see how that would have benefitted me at all if I was the Riddler, maybe except the possibility that you guys would have thought that I was not the Riddler.

I think it is a vague read for "Top priority lynch".
Knock knock.

Who's there?

Well

Well who?

Well, I don't even believe you to be the Riddler anymore based on Enrique's insane magical case where I am "bad because I targeted the Joker but you're not worth looking at despite saying I think we should lynch you", I believe you to be mafia, on Enrique's team.
Enrique did say it's possible Nero is the Joker. And if you were lynched and came back as a role with a night targeting ability, that would certainly lend credence to the Nero-as-Joker theory.

I do think the numbers heavily suggest that Matt is not a civ, especially since nobody seems to be silenced, meaning Montoya is an unlikely explanation.
This is where DFaraday seems like he might be defending a bit.

Nero complains that he isn't the Riddler. Matt comes in and calls out Nero to be mafia. Then DFaraday swoops in and brings up Enrique's theory that Nero might be the joker BUT BUT BUT then does a good job of waving the carrot on a stick back over to Matt during Day 2, suggesting Matt isn't town, and should be lynched to see if Nero is really the joker.
Ignoring Matt's claim that Nero is mafia instead of the Joker/Riddler.

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DFaraday wrote:
MacDougall wrote: "That is a great idea. That way if someone targets him, then they will immediately know that who they targeted is the Joker and whenever they start posting in curses in the thread, everybody else will also know that they targeted The Joker... making it easy for them to lynch The Joker!"
Not that easy, since we're still debating whether that's even how the role works, and if that is what happened and Nero is the Joker, he's not as much of a prime lynch target right now as you would suggest.

As far as I can tell, these are the most plausible solutions based on what we know of roles and game mechanics:

1. Matt is a baddie/Inmate and targeted the Joker, getting cursed as a result.

2. Matt is Harvey Bullock or Batman and tracked the Joker, getting cursed as a result.

3. Matt is Harvey Bullock and tracked Nero, finding Nero to be a baddie/Inmate, but was then cursed by some other role.

As it stands, I find option number 1 the most likely statistically, but I'd be open to exploring number 3.

Matt: Why do you suspect Nero?
DFaraday keeps with this Joker theory, offering scenarios that Matt could be using to find Nero bad, but settling on the "statistics" that Matt is probably Bad.
"Matt: Why do you suspect Nero?" Is the grandstanding question he uses to size Matt up. I think this could be because DFaraday knew Nero was bad, and wanted to figure out how Matt knew.

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DFaraday wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I am shocked that people are choosing to vote for Nerolunar - a player who none of us are very familiar with - over sig, who is clearly demonstrating his baddie meta moreso than his civ meta, and who has openly advocated what the host has said is not in our best interest, even voicing suspecion (and because of this, pressured) of those who didn't follow his lead. I don't see how anything Nerolunar has done tops this, especially since we are unfamiliar with his meta.
I do have a bit of suspicion of Nero, but it seems like a lot of people are just jumping on him because it's convenient, which is seeming shady to me. If anything, Sig's recent comments are making me feel worse about him (I had no real opinion of him before).
DFaraday uses zebra's defense of Nero as a springboard. He says he's sorta suspicious of Nero, but puts the blame on the bandwagoners and the "convenience" of his vote. Throwing them under the bus even before the result of Nero's alignment. To further distance, he comes out of nowhere with a 'sig's comments make me feel like he's bad'.

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DFaraday wrote:
LoRab wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
LoRab wrote: Or are you just coming in, looking at the poll, reading someone's posts who has the most votes (and not the discussion about them), and deciding based on that?

And so you haven't seen me accuse you of making a really odd post that I really don't see how it could have come from an honest place.

Why Nero? Is that what your teammates told you to do?

That said, I'm voting Nero, as well.
What you're talking about here is literally what you just did.
No, it's not. I've mentioned my suspicions before, and have been considering a Nero vote since yesterday.

I have been reading the thread.

I don't think I've ignored anyone who has mentioned me.

So, I haven't actually done any of the things that I've described Bubbles doing.
Looking back over your posts, the only thing you said about Nero was that he might be the Joker, since Matt was hinting at that. Except Matt has denied claiming Nero as the Joker, and you haven't cited any reasons since for still suspecting Nero.

*Voting sig*, since I think he looks worse right now, but LoRab isn't making me feel too good at this point.
He gets on LoRab's case for only claiming Matt is the Joker. Which is calling the kettle black, because that's ALL DFaraday has done concerning Nero.
"Matt has denied claiming Nero as the Joker" -oh, so now he's giving credence to Matt's suggestions?
"you haven't cited any reasons since for still suspecting Nero" -defending again.

He finally settles on sig, but not before feeling suspicious of LoRab, for doing exactly what he was doing.

Nero's team wanted sig dead.

I dunno guys, I don't think DFaraday is looking good from my standpoint.

I really really really like this case.

I will of course wait for DF to come in and defend for as long as I can wait - but this makes a lot of sense. DF is a difficult read as he is a lower poster and it's hard to back track him sometimes.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Lol at everyone assuming my behavior must be because I'm anti-town.
Hmmm are you hinting at something my bretheren?
I'm not hinting at anything; I just think it's closed minded to conclude that my behavior must be anti-town, because it's not. I've had a very clear reason for every sta nce (or lack thereof) or action I've taken this game.

And I really was lost and disengaged, I just have played it up quite a bit.

Now I'm sad because I've heard you echo so many thoughts I KNOW you know I've had. And now I hear you are just playin' You hurt me MP. *cries*

linki - Golden - I know. Everyone talks about how bad it is this year and the best I can say is that mostly it never goes away but it's kinda manageable most of the time.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Lol at everyone assuming my behavior must be because I'm anti-town.
ARE YOU TYLER DURDEN?

I was kinda expecting "I'm the one who knocks" but this one is prolly more appropriate.

MacDougall wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I mean, who gets a role that is anti-town 66% of the time and thinks "You know what's a smart idea, rolehinting as much as phyisically possible."
Are you saying Matt is wrong, because I think he's right. Glorfindel looks to be doing exactly that. It's pretty telling. I would argue though that Two Face is incredibly lynchable. His role is not civ friendly.

for me personally, it's again - how I'd play the role. If I had that role, there'd be no effing way I'd try to hint it. At least early game. I'd wait till I could smell where the win was going and then try to signal. two face is REALLY the most indy role of the inmates. He has the chance to win with both sides. Mac - if you had that role - would YOU signal you had it from the start of the game?

DharmaHelper wrote:I mean, who gets a role that is anti-town 66% of the time and thinks "You know what's a smart idea, rolehinting as much as phyisically possible."

This - so much this.

Again it's the - not a nub theory.

I don't know glorf from anyone. He's totes new to me. But I can't believe two face would actually role hint. What gain does two face have to role hint like at all??

DharmaHelper wrote:100% serious question, can we lynch the people we think won't be modkilled

I personally think that Day 4 is a more appropriate time for this conversation than day 1 fwiw.

Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Enrique wrote:TH has only voted for players that died on the same phase
bea as well if that matters.

I don't care for this Penguin craze. I feel like a few days ago I was getting berated for thinking the Penguin should be lynched if we had him, but now we actually have some solid Mafia leads, and everyone's making up excuses for anybody else to be the Penguin? The explanations that MP got poisoned and Matt either gets fucked with a lot or is a complete goofball settle fine with me. There's no evidence for anything like some of you are claiming, so why even do this? We lynched a baddie yesterday and then stopped their kill, I think we're a lot closer to getting Nero's teammate than anything we'll achieve by randomly focusing on the Penguin today.
I agree with this. Too much focus on the penguin.

If you had to guess, why do you think this is?

Enriqo suave can answer too since you quoted him and it reminded me I wanted to ask him that as well.

Scotty wrote:
Golden wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'd also have to agree with whoever said that MP and Matt aren't helping anything by curse-posting so much.
Maybe curse posting comes with minimum limits. Everyone who has been cursed won't shut up.
I dunno. Matt's just a chatty cathy.
It does give credence to why MP was so involved suddenly and posting in only single responses per post...

I really feel like Matt's curse had an end goal with the changing plays, though. I know he can't comment on it without fear of some penalty or whatever, but I would have liked to see what he meant by "getting a hint to a location of an inmate"

TBH - I would have too. I am actually pretty sad I missed most of that day as I love me some Shakespeare. I would have had fun RT doing it. I know and everyone knows my catsup that I was into it.

I was wondering if the play titles themselves were part of a cypher. I could name plays but I doubt I would have been able to crack the code. I suck at codes. I'm good at Shakespeare.

Matt's Shakespeare curse actually reminded me of the WORST curse I ever had. It was to post only in quotes from the ghosts of Dicken's Christmas Carol. I had to work them in order too. Do you know how hard it was to quote a Ghost of Christmas Future who literally NEVER SPEAKS??!!! That reminds me....Someday Aces......some day.....

Golden wrote:
Typhoony wrote:So people seriously think that making mp say "sig is my #1 suspect" is something I'd do if I were the penguin?

Lmao nubs. Why the fuck would I do something shit like that? Explain to me why I would out myself in due time by giving them obvious posting curses? Please, humor me.

I'll await your answer and respond to whatever else is there when I get home.
I agree with this.

That's what I said too before typh was around. But like typh no one notices that lil ole bea didn't think typh could be penguin on that theory because typh does not = nub.

It's ok.

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