The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:01 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:59 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:19 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:15 pm so many things itt are just absolutely mind boggling
Top 5 Mind Boggling Thread Events plz
4) falcon being convinced that alison is the neutral
4) anyone townreading chop
3) whoever made the post preflipping sloonei and saying that KZA was town
2) sloonei specifically saying that he srs daisy (which he does not he's just saying words)
1) chop claiming a scumslip
interesting!
It was marmot

But you found it mindboggling, but also seem to be surprised that my slot shot KZA.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:56 pm What do you do IRL TSP? I'm seeing you talk about math problems in your ISO, and earlier you mentioned Kant, so I am curious.
I'm a student. I do a whole lot of things usually, but I go on spring break in two minutes so hopefully I'll have an opportunity to catch up on sleep

What do you study?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:19 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:15 pm so many things itt are just absolutely mind boggling
Top 5 Mind Boggling Thread Events plz
4) falcon being convinced that alison is the neutral
4) anyone townreading chop
3) whoever made the post preflipping sloonei and saying that KZA was town
2) sloonei specifically saying that he srs daisy (which he does not he's just saying words)
1) chop claiming a scumslip

interesting!

What do you do IRL TSP? I'm seeing you talk about math problems in your ISO, and earlier you mentioned Kant, so I am curious.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:46 pm sean did a quick "not sure if I'm voting for tsp or urist, oh, looks like tsp is probably voting for me, my mind's made up" there

Nah, it was more like a quick "I should do my due diligence" ... "ehh..." ... "Could it even be Urist in a sensible world?" ... "nah". Since it was very clear from yesterday that both of you had me as your "prime suspects", this holds no weight. As I said, it would take some mental gymnastics to make sense of the kill-less night if Urist is not scum.

Either way, if I do get through your ISO TSP, I will do my due diligence and try to read Urist's ISO as well.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:18 am this is boggling my mind. this man is a wolf. remove him from the game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:18 am Jack too

Oh, just to support my earlier thing about Chop and Jack being TSP suspects, the first post here is about Chop. The second post was posted the same minute as the first post (there was a post in the middle, that just @'ed Sloon... I can see why TSP has so many posts, half of them have no content, or are large strings of posts that should just be one post)

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:45 pm Oh, one other thought from the first few pages of TSP's ISO before I keep going, since I have an open tab that reminded me of something. Esooa definitely had some strong D1 suspicion of TSP. Guess who turned up dead?

I should specifically say that Esooa was pinged by TSP's treatment of Chop D1.

Oh, one other thought from the first few pages of TSP's ISO before I keep going, since I have an open tab that reminded me of something. Esooa definitely had some strong D1 suspicion of TSP. Guess who turned up dead?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:40 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:35 pm so salty that i was left alive
i tried :P

Clever, I hope the double-entendre was intentional.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:31 pm because I just copied and pasted from marmot and he had all of it. i even made the unimportant days tinier

Okay, fair. I didn't see the "stolen from Marmot" thing at the top.

Was any of the analysis of the data Marmot's, or was all that yours?

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:35 pm so salty that i was left alive

Especially since it really looks like you're the one who is going to have to make the final decision, I don't blame you. I'm not happy in my position right now, but I'd be less happy in yours.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:57 pm okay, four pages of TSP's iso to go! Only... 20... more...

Once I read all of it, I'll have more to say, but initial thoughts, TSP interacts a TONNNNN with Chop and Jack, and less with others. I'm going to be very curious to see where TSP's suspicion of Jack goes since it seems to have evaporated by the time I got into the thread, even though right now he is definitely pushing them as his main reads pretty hard early on. Is TSP just SPOT ON this game, or is this TMI? We find out in 46 hours!
Also this seems like bs: I had an associative read on both you and Jack off of Chop on day 2 and I had a town read on Jack on day 1.

You did throw my slot around occasionally as well, I do concede that. My point remains though - Jack (and even me if you want to go there) seemed to have fallen off your radar, even as Chop was outed. I haven't gotten that far in the story yet, so I am curious to see how it goes.

Third Shower thought:

@TonyStarkPrime why can't I find any indication of a townread of Nook in your D1 ISO?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:16 pm stolen from marmot:

Day 1

c4e5g3d5 - Slaver day-vig
DrWilgy - Vault City standard nightkill?
Esooa - Enclave standard nightkill
[this spot intentionally left blank -- actual VC kill? vig shot?]

Day 2

staypositivefriend - Enclave standard nightkill
[this space intentionally left blank but KZA claimed a block on mac n2 so like ok]

Day 3

Sloonei - Enclave standard nightkill
KZA - ?
[this space intentionally left blank]

Day 4

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Enclave standard nightkill

Day 5

[this space intentionally left blank]

Day 6

Epignosis - Frank Horrigan janitored nightkill

Day 7

reywaS / Kylemii - Enclave standard nightkill
Grogu - Joshua vig

Day 8

Spacedaisy / sprityo - Enclave standard nightkill

Day 9

MartinGG99 - Enclave standard nightkill

Day 10

MartinGG99 - Enclave standard nightkill

OTHER THINGS THAT CAN STOP KILLS IN THIS SETUP:
Alison's bulletproof vest (accounts for n3 miss or n1 miss depending on how you look at it -- probably stopped a night kill from Mac, betting on n3)
Mac's doctor ability (accounts for n1 miss)
KZA's block (accounts for n2 miss)
Enclave doctor, blocker, whatever (cannot account for day 5 unless conspiracy theory below)

However, if Sean is town, then it must be that Alison's bulletproof vest either stopped the n5 kill (which is implausible), or that Enclave shot X and docced X simultaneously, or something else here is wrong.

Let's assume the best case: mac never shot, wolves never figured out who Alison was before n5. this is possible. in this case, however, the wolves would have figured out who alison is on n5, presumably avoiding catastrophe? idk.
actually. maybe they did and that's why chop went from alison is slaver to alison is not slaver, because he didn't believe it before and he did believe it after. Then also the wolves vig shot Wilgy day 1 because he claimed doctor. this is a step away still; grogu needed information to do the whole falcon thing. so assume the last wolf is the tracker/blocker. grogu claims the info cause team is disorganized, no one claims anything that makes sense because ?.

There is, afaict, only one other possible case where Syn is telling the truth (and ergo urist is lying): Mafia doc and shoot the same person in the same night. now, this would be a stupid thing to do, but this mafia has shown itself to do stupid things. I'm trying to figure out if I should consider this case.

But outside of mechanics, I'm just not sure if I can really reevaluate on all this. I didn't really ever read Urist's iso yesterday, I'll give it a fair shake today. But don't know how much will come of it.

Second shower thought: Why did you post this HUGE amount of data about what happened every night when the only relevant point you made was about was the night without a kill? Is TSP solving here, or just trying to look solvy?

So I took a break from reading TSP's ISO and took a shower and had a beer (yes, I had it IN the shower, just living my best life over here) and I had a spicy thought.

@Urist From your perspective, you know that the Redding faction has only one person in it... What do you think is more likely, that JJJ gives the 1-person Redding faction one of the most powerful Redding roles (1-shot vig plus 2 double votes), or a Redding role that can only support other factions (2 shot inventor)?

okay, four pages of TSP's iso to go! Only... 20... more...

Once I read all of it, I'll have more to say, but initial thoughts, TSP interacts a TONNNNN with Chop and Jack, and less with others. I'm going to be very curious to see where TSP's suspicion of Jack goes since it seems to have evaporated by the time I got into the thread, even though right now he is definitely pushing them as his main reads pretty hard early on. Is TSP just SPOT ON this game, or is this TMI? We find out in 46 hours!

@Urist How well do you know TSP meta-wise?

He starts talking about how bad the wolf team is as early as D2, and is still talking about it now. I've only seen him as town and I don't remember him ever talking bad about the wolves, granted my experience is very limited. I point this out simply because I think many people would not really talk bad about the wolves if they were town because it can come off as kind of rude, but might do it as a wolf because it is different since the wolves clearly know it is an act. IDK TSP well enough to make a judgement call on this, but I did find it weird that even as early as D2, TSP is talking about wolves making questionable decisions and not playing optimally etc.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:16 pm stolen from marmot:

Day 1

c4e5g3d5 - Slaver day-vig
DrWilgy - Vault City standard nightkill?
Esooa - Enclave standard nightkill
[this spot intentionally left blank -- actual VC kill? vig shot?]

Day 2

staypositivefriend - Enclave standard nightkill
[this space intentionally left blank but KZA claimed a block on mac n2 so like ok]

Day 3

Sloonei - Enclave standard nightkill
KZA - ?
[this space intentionally left blank]

Day 4

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Enclave standard nightkill

Day 5

[this space intentionally left blank]

Day 6

Epignosis - Frank Horrigan janitored nightkill

Day 7

reywaS / Kylemii - Enclave standard nightkill
Grogu - Joshua vig

Day 8

Spacedaisy / sprityo - Enclave standard nightkill

Day 9

MartinGG99 - Enclave standard nightkill

Day 10

MartinGG99 - Enclave standard nightkill

OTHER THINGS THAT CAN STOP KILLS IN THIS SETUP:
Alison's bulletproof vest (accounts for n3 miss or n1 miss depending on how you look at it -- probably stopped a night kill from Mac, betting on n3)
Mac's doctor ability (accounts for n1 miss)
KZA's block (accounts for n2 miss)
Enclave doctor, blocker, whatever (cannot account for day 5 unless conspiracy theory below)

However, if Sean is town, then it must be that Alison's bulletproof vest either stopped the n5 kill (which is implausible), or that Enclave shot X and docced X simultaneously, or something else here is wrong.

Let's assume the best case: mac never shot, wolves never figured out who Alison was before n5. this is possible. in this case, however, the wolves would have figured out who alison is on n5, presumably avoiding catastrophe? idk.
actually. maybe they did and that's why chop went from alison is slaver to alison is not slaver, because he didn't believe it before and he did believe it after. Then also the wolves vig shot Wilgy day 1 because he claimed doctor. this is a step away still; grogu needed information to do the whole falcon thing. so assume the last wolf is the tracker/blocker. grogu claims the info cause team is disorganized, no one claims anything that makes sense because ?.

There is, afaict, only one other possible case where Syn is telling the truth (and ergo urist is lying): Mafia doc and shoot the same person in the same night. now, this would be a stupid thing to do, but this mafia has shown itself to do stupid things. I'm trying to figure out if I should consider this case.

But outside of mechanics, I'm just not sure if I can really reevaluate on all this. I didn't really ever read Urist's iso yesterday, I'll give it a fair shake today. But don't know how much will come of it.

What is the Falcon thing that Grogu did?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:09 pm Okay, so thoughts before I start digging into ISOs.

If Urist is mafia, then the lack of NK whatever night that was is still unexplained. Since Chop guessed wrong on Alison, it seems pretty likely that scum didn't try to NK Alison (also if there was reason to believe she was slaver, idk why they would anyways?). Urist did give me some weird vibes at times around this, but since no other protective roles have popped up, and TSP's claimed role can't protect, I have to do some pretty big mental gymnastics to make the world make sense with scum!Urist.

On the other hand, when I got into the thread, TSP seemed to have reasonable towncred, and many people were reading him as town. I asked about this a few times, and most people weren't really willing to go into detail, which I understand but I think is pretty unfortunate at this point. SInce my arrival in the thread though, I think TSP has done very little, and I know some of the people who were heavily townreading him when I first came in had moved him to the upper PoE before death, so idk if his early game towncred should be given too much weight here. I was also REALLY hoping someone alive could confirm his claim, and I think it doesn't look good that he claimed to give stuff to Nook and Sloonei, but they both have been dead for quite a while. I also think it is at least a little weird that if TSP had doubts about Poison or Syn, that TSP didn't claim sooner when people were clearing my slot for being the only Redding alive, but I suppose I should withold judgement on that until I actually see some of how TSP interacted with my slot before my arrival in it.

TSP, you said you thought Nook used the invention you gave to him on Made. Can you find whatever Nook said to make you think that and quote it by any chance?

Urist, I think maybe you did this at some point, but can you detail all your actions (night, target, and possibly some thoughts as to why you did what you did?

TSP, can you do the same? I know you mentioned your actions the other day, but I think maybe hearing why you decided on the targets you did would help. Also TSP I'd like to know why you used all your actions in the first two nights.

Right now I am definitely leaning towards voting TSP over Urist, but I am going to try to read as much of both your ISOs before I commit to anything.

Oh, I guess one thing I didn't mention above that gives a bit of weight towards scum!Urist: Symmetry. I think all the non-wastelander non-enclave, non-exactly-1-by-design factions would have exactly 2 people in them if Urist is scum here, which makes a bit of sense. Granted, if any faction should have only one, it is Redding since our non-enclave wincon only needs one person dead

Okay, so thoughts before I start digging into ISOs.

If Urist is mafia, then the lack of NK whatever night that was is still unexplained. Since Chop guessed wrong on Alison, it seems pretty likely that scum didn't try to NK Alison (also if there was reason to believe she was slaver, idk why they would anyways?). Urist did give me some weird vibes at times around this, but since no other protective roles have popped up, and TSP's claimed role can't protect, I have to do some pretty big mental gymnastics to make the world make sense with scum!Urist.

On the other hand, when I got into the thread, TSP seemed to have reasonable towncred, and many people were reading him as town. I asked about this a few times, and most people weren't really willing to go into detail, which I understand but I think is pretty unfortunate at this point. SInce my arrival in the thread though, I think TSP has done very little, and I know some of the people who were heavily townreading him when I first came in had moved him to the upper PoE before death, so idk if his early game towncred should be given too much weight here. I was also REALLY hoping someone alive could confirm his claim, and I think it doesn't look good that he claimed to give stuff to Nook and Sloonei, but they both have been dead for quite a while. I also think it is at least a little weird that if TSP had doubts about Poison or Syn, that TSP didn't claim sooner when people were clearing my slot for being the only Redding alive, but I suppose I should withold judgement on that until I actually see some of how TSP interacted with my slot before my arrival in it.

TSP, you said you thought Nook used the invention you gave to him on Made. Can you find whatever Nook said to make you think that and quote it by any chance?

Urist, I think maybe you did this at some point, but can you detail all your actions (night, target, and possibly some thoughts as to why you did what you did?

TSP, can you do the same? I know you mentioned your actions the other day, but I think maybe hearing why you decided on the targets you did would help. Also TSP I'd like to know why you used all your actions in the first two nights.

Right now I am definitely leaning towards voting TSP over Urist, but I am going to try to read as much of both your ISOs before I commit to anything.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:32 pm task failed successfully, I suppose

What task was that?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:29 am I think we should vote today and it's just to like save me some time but I think our conclusion seems reasonably established at this point. I'll wait for marmot to do the isos and urist to try to convince me that this is a bad idea, but not sure if either will say anything that makes me change my mind.

I think we shouldn't vote today. I have a very important IRL deadline tomorrow, and since the logical play here is to sleep, I haven't spent any time doing the legwork necessary for FX so I can focus on my job.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:57 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:53 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:37 am My current solve on the NKs is that Wilgy was shot by Frank n1 for being "doctor", and kza was shot by Mac for blocking him.

Alison claimed that her shot was used on mac n1
So is your working theory that Enclave!Poison saw that KZA had died and flipped town, and decided to claim to have vigged KZA, not knowing how KZA had really died and locking my slot into a claim very early?
Syn claimed it d5

Oh okay, sorry, I didn't read back. My question is still more or less valid though, you think Enclave!Syn came into the thread as a rep, claims a townie kill from before they were around, not knowing how this person actually died, locking my slot into a claim very early?

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:37 am My current solve on the NKs is that Wilgy was shot by Frank n1 for being "doctor", and kza was shot by Mac for blocking him.

Alison claimed that her shot was used on mac n1

So is your working theory that Enclave!Poison saw that KZA had died and flipped town, and decided to claim to have vigged KZA, not knowing how KZA had really died and locking my slot into a claim very early?

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:18 pm @Seanzie did you claim anything other than the kza shot?

In terms of actions? No. I haven't used my vote modifiers ever, and at this point they are worthless. I almost used one when we had Chop vs. Alison on the chopping block since killing Alison was a bad move (but in the end there were enough votes for Chop without it), and would have used one the day after when it was Alison vs Grogu if it would have made a difference.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:06 pm Pretty sure the last scum is poisynzie mostly for competence reasons but also bc i don't buy that poison shot kza of all people.

Competence reasons? I can't really speak on what Poison was thinking unfortunately.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:33 pm I don't think that's strictly correct here but the reason it's not strictly correct might be complicated by some people not reading the game

I don't understand what you mean here. Can you clarify?

[VOTE: No Elimination] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:05 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:14 pm @TonyStarkPrime, who have you given inventions to?
Nanook and Sloonei. I’m like 70 percent sure Nanook used his on Made, I made this clear at the time. As far as Sloonei goes, he died.
What nights did you give them out? Did they hint at all that they recieved something?
n1 and n2. I don't think so? there's decent mech evidence that nanook got his, since I can't really tell how he would have gotten a result on Made otherwise. But he did have an info role, so maybe. I sorta think I was blocked n2, sloonei seems more likely to have said something about it.

What result did Nook get? Did he claim something specific or just say that he had raisins to think Made was bad?

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:46 pm martin is clearly the last wolf posturing for f3

Is this meant to be a serious read or a joke?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:14 pm @TonyStarkPrime, who have you given inventions to?
Nanook and Sloonei. I’m like 70 percent sure Nanook used his on Made, I made this clear at the time. As far as Sloonei goes, he died.

What nights did you give them out? Did they hint at all that they recieved something?

I'm kind of thinking that Jack would have just let himself die if he was the only scum left, so we might want to spend some time today scumhunting.

@TonyStarkPrime, who have you given inventions to?

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:56 pm Or he's just going to jump in at the last second and break the tie and laugh, in which case he's been distancing from his teammate(s) as deviously as he knows how for a while.

I thought Jack was going to be voting me as part of the tie already.

If he does that, he is outed. Any which way it goes, this plan either finds a wolf or resolves both of you in one day, which is great.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:50 am @TonyStarkPrime Please claim now.

@TonyStarkPrime preferably with a list of night actions you've taken as well if possible.

@TonyStarkPrime Please claim now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:43 am No, I decided to hold off and let a bunch of people die first

Nice that you got spicy results two night in a row N4 and N5.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:39 amI did

Yes, sorry I suck.

You didn't have anyone you wanted more info from D1 then?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:35 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:34 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:27 am I'm on a roadtrip atm, so will sheep someone else's vote, just tell me where to go.
Vote Jack.
[VOTE: jack] aubergine

Thanks

Could you still do the other thing and list out your night actions theretoforth?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:27 am I'm on a roadtrip atm, so will sheep someone else's vote, just tell me where to go.

Vote Jack.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:24 am So either TSP is Doc Johnson or a liar, because I got a multiple check on him.

Sorry, not gonna be around much today, but that's all I've got to add if he's claiming Redding.

Could you list out all the night actions you've taken and the results you've gotten?

@Jackofhearts2005 if LC flips wolf, who are you thinking about shooting tonight?

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:50 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:10 pm Tsp, urist, martin & jack on long con
Everyone else on jack tyvm
Since Martin and I are already on the opposite wagon of what you propose here, I'mma just stay where I'm at unless I see him move. @MartinGG99 Please @ me if you move.
yeah that might have something to do with why i deliberately suggested the opposite

I'm happy to cooperate as long as we tie it between them. Once I see Martin move, I will move to make things equal.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:10 pm Tsp, urist, martin & jack on long con
Everyone else on jack tyvm

Since Martin and I are already on the opposite wagon of what you propose here, I'mma just stay where I'm at unless I see him move. @MartinGG99 Please @ me if you move.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:35 pm I also think that martin's answered this question when you've asked before but I certainly can't answer it for myself so idk

I just checked his ISO and couldn't find anything. He did propose an ordered PoE something like

LC/Jack (dont remember the order here) < Marmot < TSP,

But I think that was before you claimed to also be Redding, so I wouldn't be surprised if I end up somewhere in there as well.

I'm still definitely going to put you below Marmot in any ordered PoE since Redding having 2, but only needing to kill one non-enclave to win just really makes no sense if Hubologists have 1 and need to kill like 4 non-enclaves to win.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:20 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:18 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:05 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:50 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:42 pm We also should probably collectively agree on Jack's target tonight in case LC flips wolf today and the game doesn't end. I vote Urist, unless something spicy happens between TSP and Marmot today.
urist is the most confirmed town person who hasn't shot a wolf
Who would you vote for then? If it isn't Urist, I would vote you. Marmot is also in my outer-PoE, but I really have a hard time thinking that Hubologists need to kill like 4 people to win, and only had 1 Hubo.

Urist is probably telling the truth about blocking the Epi shot, but if I was a wolf, and had my shot blocked in a way I didn't understand, I would claim a protection if my fakeclaim had protection to win townpoints. Not saying that is what happened (and it seems pretty unlikely since the only way I can think they may have been blocked would be because they shot BP Alison, but that doesn't jive well with Chop not guessing Alison was slaver), but it is a reasonable strategy that wolf!Urist could have used.

Martin is pretty darn clear for outing Chop and Alison and Spriyo shot Grogu. After clearing those two, removing LC, Jack, Marmot and myself, that leaves Urist and you.
from the perspective of an impartial spectator it probably goes

Sprityo
Urist
----
Me/Martin (i'd say me over martin but I'm biased)
----
Marmot
You
----
LC
Jack
Why are you so widely townread btw? I still haven't really gotten an explanation for that.
The short answer is that I'm very very town.

Unfortunately that does very little for me. Hopefully someone else can explain.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:05 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:50 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:42 pm We also should probably collectively agree on Jack's target tonight in case LC flips wolf today and the game doesn't end. I vote Urist, unless something spicy happens between TSP and Marmot today.
urist is the most confirmed town person who hasn't shot a wolf
Who would you vote for then? If it isn't Urist, I would vote you. Marmot is also in my outer-PoE, but I really have a hard time thinking that Hubologists need to kill like 4 people to win, and only had 1 Hubo.

Urist is probably telling the truth about blocking the Epi shot, but if I was a wolf, and had my shot blocked in a way I didn't understand, I would claim a protection if my fakeclaim had protection to win townpoints. Not saying that is what happened (and it seems pretty unlikely since the only way I can think they may have been blocked would be because they shot BP Alison, but that doesn't jive well with Chop not guessing Alison was slaver), but it is a reasonable strategy that wolf!Urist could have used.

Martin is pretty darn clear for outing Chop and Alison and Spriyo shot Grogu. After clearing those two, removing LC, Jack, Marmot and myself, that leaves Urist and you.
from the perspective of an impartial spectator it probably goes

Sprityo
Urist
----
Me/Martin (i'd say me over martin but I'm biased)
----
Marmot
You
----
LC
Jack

Why are you so widely townread btw? I still haven't really gotten an explanation for that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:50 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:42 pm We also should probably collectively agree on Jack's target tonight in case LC flips wolf today and the game doesn't end. I vote Urist, unless something spicy happens between TSP and Marmot today.
urist is the most confirmed town person who hasn't shot a wolf

Who would you vote for then? If it isn't Urist, I would vote you. Marmot is also in my outer-PoE, but I really have a hard time thinking that Hubologists need to kill like 4 people to win, and only had 1 Hubo.

Urist is probably telling the truth about blocking the Epi shot, but if I was a wolf, and had my shot blocked in a way I didn't understand, I would claim a protection if my fakeclaim had protection to win townpoints. Not saying that is what happened (and it seems pretty unlikely since the only way I can think they may have been blocked would be because they shot BP Alison, but that doesn't jive well with Chop not guessing Alison was slaver), but it is a reasonable strategy that wolf!Urist could have used.

Martin is pretty darn clear for outing Chop and Alison and Spriyo shot Grogu. After clearing those two, removing LC, Jack, Marmot and myself, that leaves Urist and you.

We also should probably collectively agree on Jack's target tonight in case LC flips wolf today and the game doesn't end. I vote Urist, unless something spicy happens between TSP and Marmot today.

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