The Syndicate

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:02 pm There's too many egos this game. We need less egos

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:02 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:00 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:00 pm I mean I am sheeping people, just

Not you lol

Imagine not sheeping the best player smh

He can't sheep the best player because the best player is voting him.

lol

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:00 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:00 pm I mean I am sheeping people, just

Not you lol

Imagine not sheeping the best player smh

He can't sheep the best player because the best player is voting him.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:21 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:10 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:07 am

Tommy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:30 pm Ohhh rondo is a player

how much FM have you played

Have you found me yet?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:04 am Hi @Tommy

These are the only interactions I could find in Sean iso in regards to Tommy (besides the argument with Mac about who had the biggest ego)

I don't get why Sean randomly says hi to Tommy. It's not like Tommy was the only new player in the game.

Sean weird comment asking Porscha if she found him is weird

I'm assuming these are the things you were asking about. I said hi to Tommy because I had had a few drinks and was feeling feisty and I wanted people to talk to me, and there were lots of people viewing the thread but no one talking, so I @'ed a few people who were viewing the thread.

For Porscha, them and I played in a game recently and I was wolf, they were town. They were by far my biggest critic (I was pretty deep most of the game and we ended up sweeping). And that isn't the first time Porscha has been difficult to deal with as scum, whereas they usually find me when I'm town, so I wanted to prod them for a read on me to exploit the fact that they can read me well to see if I could get a read on them.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:51 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:36 pm Their thoughts on me seem pretty nuanced and reasonable, and if they're actually doing the work to look up old games on me to defend me, even after I was suspecting them for them calling me obvtown yesterday, I'mma go ahead and say they're probably fine.

Ah there we go.

Also nanook going for porscha is an f

Current team poe is dizzy/axe/wilgy. Waiting on nanook to power up tomorrow for now.

Uninteresred in dizzy atm, sean looks townie

Porscha is a fine option, possibly a placeholder

I'm more interested in townreads atp

What exactly made you change your mind on me?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:50 pm I'm here reading. Not home right now but I see Sean is here and I will Unvote for now.

Boring! Come at me! If you do, I'll likely be able to sort you.

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:41 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:34 pm Not really sure why Achromatic is hard defending me here, but since I do have a few votes on me, I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

Looool

Okay this is mafia.

Oh this is someone who just got into the thread, isn't caught up, and sees someone towncasing them pretty darn hard. One of the two.

Yeah as town I'm always particularly most conscious about the ones towncasing me.Not.
Reacting to Achro defense as snap reaction implies you care too much about not looking like scum. Been there, done that.
And probably spews Achro town, not that it was needed.

Cueueing the Nanook vote Change from Sean to Porscha.

I'm happy for you that you don't suspect people whose motivations for defending you are unclear. I do, and vehemently try to avoid being buddied or WK'd.

Are you going to judge me based on how you play, or are you going to try to figure out what actually makes me tick and see if you can find my alignment from there?

hi @Sabiplz

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:46 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:33 am [VOTE: sean] aubergine

Sabi's confidence has swayed me

I'd like to hear your thoughts though. Why me?

Did you read the part of the post that said sabi swayed me

Do you remember that I'm not the type of person that lets you get away with not actually giving your own thoughts on things?

Ok boomer

Now that I'm actually here, how do you read me?

I see vivax voted me without calling it in the thread.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:45 pm [VOTE: porscha] aubergine

Weaksauce

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:33 am [VOTE: sean] aubergine

Sabi's confidence has swayed me

I'd like to hear your thoughts though. Why me?

Did you read the part of the post that said sabi swayed me

Do you remember that I'm not the type of person that lets you get away with not actually giving your own thoughts on things?

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:42 pm Seanzie is it that hard to read my posts and see the thoughts I have given on you. My progression on you is crystal clear.

I mean, did you see my follow up after I actually thought about how your actions fit into the current threadstate?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:33 am [VOTE: sean] aubergine

Sabi's confidence has swayed me

I'd like to hear your thoughts though. Why me?

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:34 pm Not really sure why Achromatic is hard defending me here, but since I do have a few votes on me, I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

Looool

Okay this is mafia.

Oh this is someone who just got into the thread, isn't caught up, and sees someone towncasing them pretty darn hard. One of the two.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:54 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:53 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:51 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:41 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:40 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:37 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:35 pm

What do you think about my anti Dizzy thoughts and pro Seanzie thoughts in isolation?

seanzie wouldn't be a inactive wolf, dizzy will turn up and if not then the catapult, I'm fine with pressuring her though because if town she'll clarify

What makes you draw this conclusion?

he just doesn't seem like the type

@Lucy he is an inactive wolf.

Look at this game:

viewtopic.php?t=2333

He had almost as many posts day 1 as he did in that entire game ;o

But look at the posts itself. He's phoning it in

Which posts am I phoning in, exactly?

Their thoughts on me seem pretty nuanced and reasonable, and if they're actually doing the work to look up old games on me to defend me, even after I was suspecting them for them calling me obvtown yesterday, I'mma go ahead and say they're probably fine.

Not really sure why Achromatic is hard defending me here, but since I do have a few votes on me, I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

I'm like 15 pages behind and a chance of catchup is pretty low, so I'm probably going to just vibe in the thread.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:28 pm Basically in regards to Seanzie and Wilgy if they come in super flat, dispirited, and don't contribute it's obviously fair to throw them off a bridge. However, considering about half of you came in various levels of not sober last night I don't really believe in viewing "people aren't here" as naturally suspicious given that it is very easy to wait until the final 4-6 hours of a day, go "guess that answers that" and pile onto them.

But Seanzie's day 1 was fine from my view.

Aww, but flat and not contributing is what I got right now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:23 am Why is Sean's wolf meta?

Why indeed.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:17 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:14 pm Simply put...

Axe and Porscha have both called me lock town.

So...

Either they are mafia having spewed me town.

Or...

They are townies and their reads should be trusted.

At any rate...

I'm spewed town and out of my scumrange.

Achro is a good enough player to know that I am never mafia here...

Achro saw Seanzie/myself having a little tiff and made a tactical decision to drop a nonsense scumread on me in order to pocket Seanzie.

Because...

Achro is mafia.

Do you want to know the thing I am wary Achro is doing?

absolutely

Too bad.

Joking. I think he is treating me simiarly to how wolf!you treated town!Fext in Lost in Space or how wolf!me treated town!Gavial in Belzelbun the benign. In both cases, TMI along with someone who was posting extremely comfortably in thread that they weren't familiar with made it impossible for the wolf to even really try to imagine wolfcasing the townie.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:17 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:14 pm Simply put...

Axe and Porscha have both called me lock town.

So...

Either they are mafia having spewed me town.

Or...

They are townies and their reads should be trusted.

At any rate...

I'm spewed town and out of my scumrange.

Achro is a good enough player to know that I am never mafia here...

Achro saw Seanzie/myself having a little tiff and made a tactical decision to drop a nonsense scumread on me in order to pocket Seanzie.

Because...

Achro is mafia.

Do you want to know the thing I am wary Achro is doing?

absolutely

Too bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:14 pm Simply put...

Axe and Porscha have both called me lock town.

So...

Either they are mafia having spewed me town.

Or...

They are townies and their reads should be trusted.

At any rate...

I'm spewed town and out of my scumrange.

Achro is a good enough player to know that I am never mafia here...

Achro saw Seanzie/myself having a little tiff and made a tactical decision to drop a nonsense scumread on me in order to pocket Seanzie.

Because...

Achro is mafia.

Do you want to know the thing I am wary Achro is doing?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:31 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:26 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:25 pm Friends:
Sabi
Mac
Sean
Nook
Vivax

I think Mac and Sean should make out now

I'd like that.

Could I watch

Of course, that is the utopian society I am seeking to build

Come make out with me and tell me how you read me.

i read you as town sugartits

Why?

The past time you found me as town, you've been exteremely reasonable and talking with you it was clear you were looking to collaborate. I don't get that feeling here.

Lol, Achromatic might be doing the thing, which means that if they flip wolf, I could probably give a game winning PoE just based off who doesn't know me well.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:31 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:26 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:25 pm Friends:
Sabi
Mac
Sean
Nook
Vivax

I think Mac and Sean should make out now

I'd like that.

Could I watch

Of course, that is the utopian society I am seeking to build

Come make out with me and tell me how you read me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:42 pm I think the thought of me misspelling on purpose is illuminati enough that I want to call it town for Flanders tbh. Not really interested in pursuing D1 anyway

Didn't you do something really similar to this in a wolf game not too long ago though?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:32 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:31 pm My head hurts too much to read Mac and Sean ego stroking themselves to climax.

If you actually read it, you would see I am not ego stroking myself. There's nothing egotistical about what I am saying.

I still have lingering migraine and from what I read it seemed like that. I'm sorry for misreading it

I am though. I am all ego.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:32 pmI love this

Why don't I feel like you've been flirting with me? I miss flirty town Dizzy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:23 pm I'll further add that Seanzie is likely to eventually realise that his initial scumread on me in this game was bogus and then he'll file this game under one where he read me correctly, forgetting that he demonstrably read me poorly in it and it'll further heighten his perception of his quality of reading me without even factoring in that he'll be last to get there on the most obvious town version of me and has demonstrated the worst ability to read me of everyone in this game including randoms like Flanders, Vivax and Rondo.

Yes, if by the end of today I townread you, I will consider that a correct sort.

As someone who is similar to me in which I feel you feel people's alignments out by interacting with them and often pushing them before actually fully internally committing one way or the other, I'd expect you to understand the process.

You seem awfully worried about my claim about how well I read you.

The bolded is case in point for why you're annoying to deal with. You say things that aren't alignment indicative for anyone as though they are and let them guide you to irrational solves. You've just (as you point out) rarely had to contend with a rand where we are both town before. You are a recipient of good fortune and I am a victim of it.

Of course I understand the process. But you saying you're the best mac reader ever when you're the only one here that's wrong is asinine when I know you are going to reflect on this game later as another one you got me right in. Like I am pre eye-rolling at you for pointing this game out as another example of Seanzie's masterful mac read.

I'm not saying I am the best Mac reader ever, I'm saying I've been right on you pretty much every game we've played together.

Even right now though, I don't think you read my post close enough to see what my read of you currently is. What is my read of you, right now, Mac?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:16 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:43 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:18 pm

What is the insult tbh tbh

He didn't include me.

But should he? Or was it more jokey?

I've had a near 100% mac read since I joined TS, and I know for a fact that he is not a fan of wolfing against me. I had posted, multiple times at that point, and due to not necessarily wanting my attention as a wolf, I think he would be more likely to wager an early guess at my alignment there as town than as wolf.

You really need to fact check this man. You have a heightened perception of your ability to read me. You tend to suspect me in most games we play regardless of my alignment so you're going to be right often when I am mafia, but I or you die to NKs when you do it to me when we're both town so it doesn't factor into your perception of the quality of your read.

Trust me when I say you are no better at reading me than anyone else. I hate wolfing against you because you just strictly tunnel me, not because you have a good read on me.

I didn't offer a read on you in this game yet for 2 reasons, the primary being that you were pure null based on your content up until that point.

The second was to try to bait you into making your alignment more obvious. You overreacting to my ignorance is town indicative for you. As a wolf you would generally not provoke me like this.

Name a t/t game where I scumread you and/or a t/s game where I townread you.

We have almost no t/t games. I think TF2, Ducktales, and JJJ's highschool crushes were the only ones, and I townread you in all three. I've never townread you in a game you were mafia though.

So you are saying to me that in every game you have opened with a static immoveable read on me?

Because we both know that's a load of shit.

Reads evolve during games and often change back and forth. So in games where you did that, do those moments where you read me the wrong alignment not apply?

No. I don't consider the pushes I do on people to determine their alignment as an actual read. It is a tool to form a read. Sure, I can then p-hack my way into having great reads using that, but I don't actually think that is indicative, and I have pretty solidly townread you multiple times when you were town when I almost never actually state townreads (when town), and I have only hardtunneled you when you were scum.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:23 pm I'll further add that Seanzie is likely to eventually realise that his initial scumread on me in this game was bogus and then he'll file this game under one where he read me correctly, forgetting that he demonstrably read me poorly in it and it'll further heighten his perception of his quality of reading me without even factoring in that he'll be last to get there on the most obvious town version of me and has demonstrated the worst ability to read me of everyone in this game including randoms like Flanders, Vivax and Rondo.

Yes, if by the end of today I townread you, I will consider that a correct sort.

As someone who is similar to me in which I feel you feel people's alignments out by interacting with them and often pushing them before actually fully internally committing one way or the other, I'd expect you to understand the process.

You seem awfully worried about my claim about how well I read you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:16 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:43 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:30 pm Town

Dyslexicon
Sabi

Mafia

Achro
Tommy

I am insulted, Mac.

What is the insult tbh tbh

He didn't include me.

But should he? Or was it more jokey?

I've had a near 100% mac read since I joined TS, and I know for a fact that he is not a fan of wolfing against me. I had posted, multiple times at that point, and due to not necessarily wanting my attention as a wolf, I think he would be more likely to wager an early guess at my alignment there as town than as wolf.

You really need to fact check this man. You have a heightened perception of your ability to read me. You tend to suspect me in most games we play regardless of my alignment so you're going to be right often when I am mafia, but I or you die to NKs when you do it to me when we're both town so it doesn't factor into your perception of the quality of your read.

Trust me when I say you are no better at reading me than anyone else. I hate wolfing against you because you just strictly tunnel me, not because you have a good read on me.

I didn't offer a read on you in this game yet for 2 reasons, the primary being that you were pure null based on your content up until that point.

The second was to try to bait you into making your alignment more obvious. You overreacting to my ignorance is town indicative for you. As a wolf you would generally not provoke me like this.

Name a t/t game where I scumread you and/or a t/s game where I townread you.

We have almost no t/t games. I think TF2, Ducktales, and JJJ's highschool crushes were the only ones, and I townread you in all three. I've never townread you in a game you were mafia though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:10 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:12 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:10 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:08 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:05 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:50 pm Well let's see off the top of my head...

Mac hasn't found me as town yet but I think he found me when I was eating breakfast.

Sean misunderstood my words on reading him in the most obvious town way possible

Rondo does not like my attempts to pocket him which I think I'd reasonable he couldn't know I like being town double voter

Sabi appears to be confused why I am not doing mechanics like I did the last game we are in which is probably upon reflection a town take from them although one that lacks an understanding of my nuance.

Not sure if anyone else threw shade, phone posting now.

In general I have been called awkward a few times but I feel very comfy now. New sites/functions on s technical level take me a little bit to settle into but this green setting is soothing and watched my boy Rengoku in demon slayer set his heart ablaze again so now I am good to go.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:52 pm Oh yeah ender had some problem with me that came off as earnest solving.

Thanks. Are you town reading all these players?

Yeah, although sabi is pretty soft and Mac can go side ways pretty quick depending on if Porscha is a hit or not. Others feel more solid.

Can you explain the Porscha - Mac connection to me?

Mac had a problem with the same post I did so if porscha is a wolf that looks like a really good hit. If not, then I can see a lot of scenarios where a wolf Mac would see a town member post that and leap at a chance to make them look bad. It's not wolfy in isolation but it's the strongest clearing factor for Mac atm.

So you think that Mac as mafia would see Porscha the town drop a lock town read on me, and my reaction would be to attack her for it?

I'd do that as a wolf, but I am also cognizant that pushing people who townread me is something I instinctively do as town.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:54 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:43 pmI've had a near 100% mac read since I joined TS, and I know for a fact that he is not a fan of wolfing against me. I had posted, multiple times at that point, and due to not necessarily wanting my attention as a wolf, I think he would be more likely to wager an early guess at my alignment there as town than as wolf.

Speaking just for me, I don't think you had posted anything AI at that point in the game.

Do you still scum read Mac? I have also been pretty successful in reading Mac historically. I may or may not be a bit too confident due to the fact that Mac have a had a couple of mafia games that were real bad, and I know he isn't really bad as mafia.

I was actually going to ask you about that, both Mac and Sabi. Cause I town read both. Am I bad? I could be bad.

I've been toying with the idea that you're bad, yeah.

Mac I felt pretty confident about off very little information, and no longer feel much of anything, but I trust my early gut reactions enough to not write the read off. Sabi I never actually scumread, I just pushed there because I thought Mac was scum and I think Sabi or Mac did something that made me question if they were partners, so I decided to push there just to see if Sabi would just obvout as a wolf with Mac. They didn't, so I am no longer pushing there, even though I am kind of personally irked by how they've acted about me pushing them and they keep saying I'm "confbiasing" when really I think they're accusing me of scumreading them because of personal out-of-game things (that don't exist from my side, but I get how sometimes other people see other things so meh... I get it even if I don't think it is there), not confbiasing, and instead of considering the fact that I might actually just be playing the game and trying to figure out why I might be pushing them, they've decided to just assume they know me and have said they will just ignore me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:30 pm Town

Dyslexicon
Sabi

Mafia

Achro
Tommy

I am insulted, Mac.

What is the insult tbh tbh

He didn't include me.

But should he? Or was it more jokey?

I've had a near 100% mac read since I joined TS, and I know for a fact that he is not a fan of wolfing against me. I had posted, multiple times at that point, and due to not necessarily wanting my attention as a wolf, I think he would be more likely to wager an early guess at my alignment there as town than as wolf.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:30 pm Town

Dyslexicon
Sabi

Mafia

Achro
Tommy

I am insulted, Mac.

What is the insult tbh tbh

He didn't include me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:12 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:00 am Whatever I don't think I'm ate-ing, I am allowed to be annoyed at Sean for doing this conf bias thing two games in a row. If you all want me to filter that out of my post go ahead.

Saying that I don't like you or saying that I don't want you to play on TS because I expressed a scumread of you is AtE in my book. I'm not going to say that you have to stop (not that I'd have the authority to do that anyways), but it it something I have a hard time responding to because I genuinely have no negative feelings towards you and honestly enjoyed playing the last game with you and talking to you afterwards, and I do want you to continue to play on TS.

stop gaslighting her lol

Dude, that isn't what is going on. Making me feel like I am doing a disservice to the site by stating a read makes me really uncomfortable. Please stop gaslighting me.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:00 am Whatever I don't think I'm ate-ing, I am allowed to be annoyed at Sean for doing this conf bias thing two games in a row. If you all want me to filter that out of my post go ahead.

Saying that I don't like you or saying that I don't want you to play on TS because I expressed a scumread of you is AtE in my book. I'm not going to say that you have to stop (not that I'd have the authority to do that anyways), but it it something I have a hard time responding to because I genuinely have no negative feelings towards you and honestly enjoyed playing the last game with you and talking to you afterwards, and I do want you to continue to play on TS.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:42 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:33 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:24 am

Spoiler: show

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:52 am yeah idk i'm put off by the mac seanzie thing and then rondo's vote with seanzie dazed me and I feel like something is not right here

do kinda feel like seanzie is tunneling a bit, but sean has been known to do some weird shit early and then expects a town to call him out for it and pass his test (if he's town)

if he doesn't try that technique then he's maf (which usually prompts him to have a much more agreeable play style that doesnt cause a wave too early)

so maybe this is town sean? but the push on mac and tunnel on kuti is weirding me out

@Porscha what aspect is weird ing you out and what makes you think this is him being town?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:02 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:50 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:18 am

why were you stunned? Its a vote on Mac I obviously dont believe more than tinfoil on a day that cant hammer against someone I town read? Straight forward

I found it unexpected

and I think I found sean's pushes on kuti and mac weird because, respectively, one is an unavoidable tunnel and the other is just wrong

just wrong?

yes I think seanzie is wrong in thinking youre wolf

Also @Porscha why am I an unavoidable tunnel?

I kind of want to ask YOU the same thing. Here you say this:

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:57 am

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NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:55 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:52 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:51 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:49 am

Fair enough I won't bring him up again

Oh, I don't actually care, I actually just wanted to make a controversy so that we could spend more time talking about Blue_Coke.

Seriously tho, how much of the game have you read

Everything about Brad, and the original post I claimed to read. I also noticed there was something going on between Seanzie and Mac, but didn't bother reading. I can probably guess the content though... It's like Pirates of the Caribbean 3-5, it was played out after 1, but they kept going even after they demonstrated that it sucks... Yet we've all been forced to sit through it.

I dunno the history between mac and seanize so can you expand on that and explain it to me. I know why seanize doesn't like me but I don't get his beef with Mac.

It seems you think my current read of your slot has something to do with prior to this game. What reason would I have to not like you, and why would that affect my read here?

Because in dvc for gym class you were like omg I will try better next game to read you. Then you come into this game conf biasing me. I do think I know why you dislike me and it's rather annoying that it's for that reason. You behaviored similarly last game when you figured out a connection we had. That's all I'm going to say.

Expressing a scumread on someone is not confbiasing them. What is there even for me to confbias you about, unless I have an initial read on you?

Also, I am assuming you're talking about the fact that you're friends with Brad. While I will admit that I don't really like playing with Brad since almost every game I've played with him, he has resorted to mean personal attacks out of rage over in-game things, I'm not holding that against you.

I am noticing though that you're maybe starting to do something he does which I find unhealthy, and which worries me a bit; namely you seem to be taking me expressing an in-game read of you personally. I know mafia can be a heated game with lots of emotions, but me expressing a read on you has nothing to do with you as a person, and I really hope you can seperate the two. I don't think it is fair to feel like I have to townread someone in games in order to maintain a positive out-of-game relationship with them, and I'm always going to follow my nose and play to my instincts, while still trying to be aware of out-of-game concerns, but not to the point where I am going to forfeit game integrity.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:37 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:35 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:27 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:26 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:18 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:08 am

True I have largely sworn it off tbh



Hiya. I see a little later you have a physical question mark over your head. I feel as if it is more productive to take that question mark, type some words directed at me, and then put it at the end of those words to see if it helps you tbh.

The in-joke for me is I am usually bad at catching aligned pairs early so if there is scum here it's probably just one of them lol.

Anyway I like Wilgy, Seanzie, and Rondo so far.

Sabi and Porcsha have both used town-leaning language on Seanzie and I am unsure of it is earned in either case.



So 'wrong' tends to be a town member's thought process, as wolves aren't 'wrong' they are intentionally lying about things. Sabi employed similar language against Seanzie as well. This could be stylistic to them but I don't like it. Either way I think it makes Porscha/Mac unaligned because I thought the answer back to Mac was guileless in a way that if your scum buddy is following up on something it would have greatest clarification.

Why do you like me?

Here you go

Seanzie (I don’t have a note on their meta, but they seem to genuinely not give a single fuck so that tends to be a town trait until told otherwise and multiple people have been using soft town language on them for no good reason so the equity of either one of them being wolf also adds to Seanzie’s own town equity.)

Seems like an easy read to give out, plus I feel like I give a fuck, maybe even two.

Earlier when I wrote that you certainly were not. Plus I am not here to make hard reads, just correct ones tbh

When exactly did you write that then? I see myself as having been active essentially three times - once right at SoD, once last night (my time) after I got home when I voted Mac, and then just now. I don't think you were ITT when I was here last night, so was that written BEFORE I voted Mac, or afterwards?

Part about not giving a fuck was when you were arguing with people early on, I don't recall when your Mac vote was. Second half added into the notes when I woke up on my re-read this morning. I liked how feisty you were.

[VOTE: Achromatic] aubergine

If I was arguing with people, I clearly gave a fuck. If I was being feisty, I clearly gave a fuck. Nah. Don't like this read one bit.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:37 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:35 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:27 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:26 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:18 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:08 am

True I have largely sworn it off tbh



Hiya. I see a little later you have a physical question mark over your head. I feel as if it is more productive to take that question mark, type some words directed at me, and then put it at the end of those words to see if it helps you tbh.

The in-joke for me is I am usually bad at catching aligned pairs early so if there is scum here it's probably just one of them lol.

Anyway I like Wilgy, Seanzie, and Rondo so far.

Sabi and Porcsha have both used town-leaning language on Seanzie and I am unsure of it is earned in either case.



So 'wrong' tends to be a town member's thought process, as wolves aren't 'wrong' they are intentionally lying about things. Sabi employed similar language against Seanzie as well. This could be stylistic to them but I don't like it. Either way I think it makes Porscha/Mac unaligned because I thought the answer back to Mac was guileless in a way that if your scum buddy is following up on something it would have greatest clarification.

Why do you like me?

Here you go

Seanzie (I don’t have a note on their meta, but they seem to genuinely not give a single fuck so that tends to be a town trait until told otherwise and multiple people have been using soft town language on them for no good reason so the equity of either one of them being wolf also adds to Seanzie’s own town equity.)

Seems like an easy read to give out, plus I feel like I give a fuck, maybe even two.

Earlier when I wrote that you certainly were not. Plus I am not here to make hard reads, just correct ones tbh

When exactly did you write that then? I see myself as having been active essentially three times - once right at SoD, once last night (my time) after I got home when I voted Mac, and then just now. I don't think you were ITT when I was here last night, so was that written BEFORE I voted Mac, or afterwards?

Part about not giving a fuck was when you were arguing with people early on, I don't recall when your Mac vote was. Second half added into the notes when I woke up on my re-read this morning. I liked how feisty you were.

[VOTE: Achromatic] aubergine

If I was arguing with people, I clearly gave a fuck. If I was being feisty, I clearly gave a fuck. Nah. Don't like this read one bit.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:27 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:26 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:18 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:54 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:44 pm Imagine needing meta to town read Nixon smh

Imagine needing meta to town

True I have largely sworn it off tbh

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:57 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:58 pm I actually have lucy and sabi as possible w/w I thought their earlier interactions were odd so wilgy saying that makes me feel good about them. Small thing. Says more about wilgy than the w/w thing.

As for lucy no idea her wolf range but she isn't quite clicking right for me. Ping. Quals taught me to pursue pings properly tbh.

Wtf is this w/w read.

Hiya. I see a little later you have a physical question mark over your head. I feel as if it is more productive to take that question mark, type some words directed at me, and then put it at the end of those words to see if it helps you tbh.

The in-joke for me is I am usually bad at catching aligned pairs early so if there is scum here it's probably just one of them lol.

Anyway I like Wilgy, Seanzie, and Rondo so far.

Sabi and Porcsha have both used town-leaning language on Seanzie and I am unsure of it is earned in either case.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:02 am

just wrong?

yes I think seanzie is wrong in thinking youre wolf

So 'wrong' tends to be a town member's thought process, as wolves aren't 'wrong' they are intentionally lying about things. Sabi employed similar language against Seanzie as well. This could be stylistic to them but I don't like it. Either way I think it makes Porscha/Mac unaligned because I thought the answer back to Mac was guileless in a way that if your scum buddy is following up on something it would have greatest clarification.

Why do you like me?

Here you go

Seanzie (I don’t have a note on their meta, but they seem to genuinely not give a single fuck so that tends to be a town trait until told otherwise and multiple people have been using soft town language on them for no good reason so the equity of either one of them being wolf also adds to Seanzie’s own town equity.)

Seems like an easy read to give out, plus I feel like I give a fuck, maybe even two.

Earlier when I wrote that you certainly were not. Plus I am not here to make hard reads, just correct ones tbh

When exactly did you write that then? I see myself as having been active essentially three times - once right at SoD, once last night (my time) after I got home when I voted Mac, and then just now. I don't think you were ITT when I was here last night, so was that written BEFORE I voted Mac, or afterwards?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:24 am

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Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:52 am yeah idk i'm put off by the mac seanzie thing and then rondo's vote with seanzie dazed me and I feel like something is not right here

do kinda feel like seanzie is tunneling a bit, but sean has been known to do some weird shit early and then expects a town to call him out for it and pass his test (if he's town)

if he doesn't try that technique then he's maf (which usually prompts him to have a much more agreeable play style that doesnt cause a wave too early)

so maybe this is town sean? but the push on mac and tunnel on kuti is weirding me out

@Porscha what aspect is weird ing you out and what makes you think this is him being town?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:02 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:50 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:18 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:52 am yeah idk i'm put off by the mac seanzie thing and then rondo's vote with seanzie dazed me and I feel like something is not right here

do kinda feel like seanzie is tunneling a bit, but sean has been known to do some weird shit early and then expects a town to call him out for it and pass his test (if he's town)

if he doesn't try that technique then he's maf (which usually prompts him to have a much more agreeable play style that doesnt cause a wave too early)

so maybe this is town sean? but the push on mac and tunnel on kuti is weirding me out

why were you stunned? Its a vote on Mac I obviously dont believe more than tinfoil on a day that cant hammer against someone I town read? Straight forward

I found it unexpected

and I think I found sean's pushes on kuti and mac weird because, respectively, one is an unavoidable tunnel and the other is just wrong

just wrong?

yes I think seanzie is wrong in thinking youre wolf

Also @Porscha why am I an unavoidable tunnel?

I kind of want to ask YOU the same thing. Here you say this:

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:57 am

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NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:55 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:52 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:51 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:49 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:45 am I also read two posts about Brad and decided to put sanctions on the game.

Those have always proven to be effective in the real world.

Okay, bye.

Fair enough I won't bring him up again

Oh, I don't actually care, I actually just wanted to make a controversy so that we could spend more time talking about Blue_Coke.

Seriously tho, how much of the game have you read

Everything about Brad, and the original post I claimed to read. I also noticed there was something going on between Seanzie and Mac, but didn't bother reading. I can probably guess the content though... It's like Pirates of the Caribbean 3-5, it was played out after 1, but they kept going even after they demonstrated that it sucks... Yet we've all been forced to sit through it.

I dunno the history between mac and seanize so can you expand on that and explain it to me. I know why seanize doesn't like me but I don't get his beef with Mac.

It seems you think my current read of your slot has something to do with prior to this game. What reason would I have to not like you, and why would that affect my read here?

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:18 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:54 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:44 pm Imagine needing meta to town read Nixon smh

Imagine needing meta to town

True I have largely sworn it off tbh

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:57 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:58 pm I actually have lucy and sabi as possible w/w I thought their earlier interactions were odd so wilgy saying that makes me feel good about them. Small thing. Says more about wilgy than the w/w thing.

As for lucy no idea her wolf range but she isn't quite clicking right for me. Ping. Quals taught me to pursue pings properly tbh.

Wtf is this w/w read.

Hiya. I see a little later you have a physical question mark over your head. I feel as if it is more productive to take that question mark, type some words directed at me, and then put it at the end of those words to see if it helps you tbh.

The in-joke for me is I am usually bad at catching aligned pairs early so if there is scum here it's probably just one of them lol.

Anyway I like Wilgy, Seanzie, and Rondo so far.

Sabi and Porcsha have both used town-leaning language on Seanzie and I am unsure of it is earned in either case.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:02 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:50 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:18 am

why were you stunned? Its a vote on Mac I obviously dont believe more than tinfoil on a day that cant hammer against someone I town read? Straight forward

I found it unexpected

and I think I found sean's pushes on kuti and mac weird because, respectively, one is an unavoidable tunnel and the other is just wrong

just wrong?

yes I think seanzie is wrong in thinking youre wolf

So 'wrong' tends to be a town member's thought process, as wolves aren't 'wrong' they are intentionally lying about things. Sabi employed similar language against Seanzie as well. This could be stylistic to them but I don't like it. Either way I think it makes Porscha/Mac unaligned because I thought the answer back to Mac was guileless in a way that if your scum buddy is following up on something it would have greatest clarification.

Why do you like me?

Here you go

Seanzie (I don’t have a note on their meta, but they seem to genuinely not give a single fuck so that tends to be a town trait until told otherwise and multiple people have been using soft town language on them for no good reason so the equity of either one of them being wolf also adds to Seanzie’s own town equity.)

Seems like an easy read to give out, plus I feel like I give a fuck, maybe even two.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:54 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:44 pm Imagine needing meta to town read Nixon smh

Imagine needing meta to town

True I have largely sworn it off tbh

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:57 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:58 pm I actually have lucy and sabi as possible w/w I thought their earlier interactions were odd so wilgy saying that makes me feel good about them. Small thing. Says more about wilgy than the w/w thing.

As for lucy no idea her wolf range but she isn't quite clicking right for me. Ping. Quals taught me to pursue pings properly tbh.

Wtf is this w/w read.

Hiya. I see a little later you have a physical question mark over your head. I feel as if it is more productive to take that question mark, type some words directed at me, and then put it at the end of those words to see if it helps you tbh.

The in-joke for me is I am usually bad at catching aligned pairs early so if there is scum here it's probably just one of them lol.

Anyway I like Wilgy, Seanzie, and Rondo so far.

Sabi and Porcsha have both used town-leaning language on Seanzie and I am unsure of it is earned in either case.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:02 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:50 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:18 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:52 am yeah idk i'm put off by the mac seanzie thing and then rondo's vote with seanzie dazed me and I feel like something is not right here

do kinda feel like seanzie is tunneling a bit, but sean has been known to do some weird shit early and then expects a town to call him out for it and pass his test (if he's town)

if he doesn't try that technique then he's maf (which usually prompts him to have a much more agreeable play style that doesnt cause a wave too early)

so maybe this is town sean? but the push on mac and tunnel on kuti is weirding me out

why were you stunned? Its a vote on Mac I obviously dont believe more than tinfoil on a day that cant hammer against someone I town read? Straight forward

I found it unexpected

and I think I found sean's pushes on kuti and mac weird because, respectively, one is an unavoidable tunnel and the other is just wrong

just wrong?

yes I think seanzie is wrong in thinking youre wolf

So 'wrong' tends to be a town member's thought process, as wolves aren't 'wrong' they are intentionally lying about things. Sabi employed similar language against Seanzie as well. This could be stylistic to them but I don't like it. Either way I think it makes Porscha/Mac unaligned because I thought the answer back to Mac was guileless in a way that if your scum buddy is following up on something it would have greatest clarification.

Why do you like me?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:02 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:50 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:18 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:52 am yeah idk i'm put off by the mac seanzie thing and then rondo's vote with seanzie dazed me and I feel like something is not right here

do kinda feel like seanzie is tunneling a bit, but sean has been known to do some weird shit early and then expects a town to call him out for it and pass his test (if he's town)

if he doesn't try that technique then he's maf (which usually prompts him to have a much more agreeable play style that doesnt cause a wave too early)

so maybe this is town sean? but the push on mac and tunnel on kuti is weirding me out

why were you stunned? Its a vote on Mac I obviously dont believe more than tinfoil on a day that cant hammer against someone I town read? Straight forward

I found it unexpected

and I think I found sean's pushes on kuti and mac weird because, respectively, one is an unavoidable tunnel and the other is just wrong

just wrong?

yes I think seanzie is wrong in thinking youre wolf

Do you trust your ability read Mac early D1 to really say this with confidence?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:48 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:46 am seanzie only I may fake reads to bait reactions please desist

Took you quite a while to engage with me.

oh yeh I was spending the past however long sitting here frozen and trying to figure out what to say because I've not been owned so hard before

I'm glad our worldviews align.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:46 am seanzie only I may fake reads to bait reactions please desist

Took you quite a while to engage with me.