The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:38 pmNo

If this is in response to my question I asked you, then please go read Fingersplints ISO. It's less than a page, so it shouldn't take long.

Well great

Is day ending in like 20 minutes and I'm alone in the thread?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:05 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine Just to get my vote off my vanity from last night.

Eh this is a bad reason to vote Falcon. Do you have a reason to scumread Falcon? What do you think of Fingersplints?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:57 pm [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

This town is awful and I no longer wish to be a part of it.

Eh... I get that the gamestate today has been pretty bad, and honestly I'm not keen on either top wagon right now, but giving up isn't going to help anything.

Did you look at Finger's ISO and read what I wrote? I am really confused why she hasn't gotten more attention. I know you said she looked "pure", but honestly I don't see it. I think she's a hit. Minimally better than either Ender or Falcon IMO.

Uhh... we have 7 wagons with 9 players an hour before EoD... we should probably consolidate.

I'mma go for a run, and when I get back if people haven't piled on Fingers I'mma cry and scream until I get my way since Fingers is clear scum here I'mma ISO the top wagons.

In the mean time, please consolidate, because as they say "this wagon formation always catches a wolf".

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:13 am @Seanzie I think Fingersplints can only be with Mac which from my PoV makes fingerspints always a bad kill, thoughts?

I don't agree that there absolutely has to be at least one mafia in Mac/Falcon, so if you are not willing to consider solves without this condition, then I don't know what to tell you. If you are willing to consider this, then I'd say that many people could be with Fingersplints. I think Fingersplints/Falcon and Fingersplints/Porscha are unlikely, and probably Fingersplints/LC is not the team since Fingersplints echoed someone else's echo of Nook's misgivings about LC, but otherwise I don't see anything eliminating pairs with Fingersplints.

So, my thoughts are unless you can convince me of your Mac/Falcon worldview, I don't agree that Fingersplints is a bad kill.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:44 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:36 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 am [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

See now I have an issue cuz like you've been right about me being mafia so many times and here you're sussing me when I'm town so like... what do I do with that? I think I wanna maybe town read you for it because I feel like if you were mafia you would want to project your correct godread and pocket me rather than tilt me and encourage me to omgus. So yeah I'm gonna town read you for this garbage. Happy days for you.

Have you not figured out that I just scumread you every game regardless of what is going on, and just by the luck of the rand we've only ended up t/t for 1 day of 1 game through all of the games we've played together?

Anyways, I am less confident on you, Fingers is super wolfy on how she was approaching Porscha re:Falcon. I think Fingers REALLY wants a falcon elim, and reading Finger's ISO your name pops up in many awkward ways.

Lol no I like to give people credit and make them feel good about themselves not invalidate their wins with hubris. I know it doesn't seem like that sometimes but I am all about the positive self appraisal lol.

You can have that read. I think Fingersplints has been quite pure. I am quite tunneled on MR and Ender being wolfy. I would probably need Fingersplints to accidentally slip their role card in the thread for me to be moved in that direction right now. Not ruling it out, but like ... I guess you could try to articulate your argument a bit more cuz I'm not going to go back and read all of it and try to confirmation bias myself into agreeing with you. I don't think anyone does lol. So if you actually want to persuade me or anyone probs do better I guess.

What makes Fingersplints pure? Is it tone or is it something game-related? Because from what I can tell all she's really done is talk about Falcon, and then give a few other throwaway takes. Now, sure the approach of just talking about a single slot in the game isn't the best for wolves, but idk how Fingersplints wolf game is in general, and tunneling someone is a good way for decent-but-not-top-tier wolves to generate content without having to digest the whole game.

I don't have time to go through a detailed case because I need to get in the shower or I'mma be late for a meeting, but looking through Finger's ISO, D1 all she did was give a light townlean and soft defense of Falcon. Then on D2, Falcon said her slot was null (which 3 posts deep, yes her slot was null), and Fingers flipped on Falcon because of this, and then immediately was encouraging a Falcon elim and aside from some shade thrown at LC and some soft defense of you and Ender, Fingers has really just pushed Falcon without furthering that read. Then Porscha comes in, suggesting that maybe we look at some of the wagons that haven't gotten a lot of heat, and then Fingers starts accusing Porscha of being teamed with Falcon, which sure, surface level that would make sense, but I think falls apart pretty quickly upon inspection. It feels like Figners choose a target at D2 (Falcon) when it felt like the wind was blowing in that direction, and has locked on and they aren't really considering alternatives, but they aren't like hardpushing the idea the way I'd expect from a tunnelled town.

And like posts like this:

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:50 am I don’t get your stance at all. More than just falcon has been talked about. More than just falcon has been voted for in the past. The thread has been in this state the entire game. It’s a small game.

Just make it feel like Fingers is kinda aware that all they've done is push Falcon, and is trying to be like "There is nothing to see here, this is normal. Falcon isn't clearly the day's designated miselim. There is no war in Ba Sing Se".

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:36 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 am [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

See now I have an issue cuz like you've been right about me being mafia so many times and here you're sussing me when I'm town so like... what do I do with that? I think I wanna maybe town read you for it because I feel like if you were mafia you would want to project your correct godread and pocket me rather than tilt me and encourage me to omgus. So yeah I'm gonna town read you for this garbage. Happy days for you.

Have you not figured out that I just scumread you every game regardless of what is going on, and just by the luck of the rand we've only ended up t/t for 1 day of 1 game through all of the games we've played together?

Anyways, I am less confident on you, Fingers is super wolfy on how she was approaching Porscha re:Falcon. I think Fingers REALLY wants a falcon elim, and reading Finger's ISO your name pops up in many awkward ways.

[VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Guize.... Guize... I think I solved the game, and we're way off base.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:16 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:39 am I believe town MR would be scumreading NAA right now.

I don't like this post.

Why not?

You tell me; why might wolf!Mac want MR to feel pressured to read NAA in a certain way?

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:58 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:32 pm honestly i'm pretty convinced DADV happened day 1 votes so here is who had no votes. at least 1 maf has to be in no votes IF NOT BOTH HAD NO VOTES

Ender
Finger
LC
Mac
Porscha
NAA
Nanook (not applicable)

(and obviously not me hehe) so between NAA, Mac, LC, Finger, Ender. what's the thoughts? Mac started day by pushing Ender. Falcon getting a lot of attention all game, not sure if someone day 1 kept him from becoming wagon if he was actually wolf up with votes

NAA cracking the whip with his pushy and stand offish posts / pushes idk what to do with it

Mac might be just giving me brain worms and tricking me

LC is *big chilling* from what I can tell and this makes me quite suspicious of them despite my day 1 town read. LC also voted with NAA on Falcon so I don't see any of those 3 paired cuz I think there is 1 mafia between the 3

Just waiting on Finger to get into the game to be able to assess the vibes

also don't know what to think of Ender. think they were high poster day 1. dont know if this was talkative maf who is shmearing the confusion cream cheese on the toast or just a townie trying to cast a wide net to figure something out. idk

as voting stands right now, there are no votes on:

Ender
Finger
LC
Mac
NAA
myself

*LITERALLY THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE* and I think we should consider wagoning someone from this list to start putting pressure where it's missing imo

I don't necessarily agree with this post as I like where my vote is at, but I think this is a good look for Porscha. Unless if it is exactly Porscha/Falcon, this is completely unnecessary from wolf!Porscha, and if it is exactly Porscha/Falcon, Porscha is powerwolfing here, and if Falcon goes over, I think it will just expose the whole team. So, probably just not wolf!Porscha.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:39 am I believe town MR would be scumreading NAA right now.

I don't like this post.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:48 pm It’s a move that always makes me a bit uneasy, but isn’t out of character

I know he does this a lot, but I really don't like it when people ghost-vote. It makes it impossible to reconstruct the vote at different times upon recollection, so I try to comment when I see people do it, so later on if we ask something like "when did Falcon's wagon pull ahead?" or "when did Ender's wagon start to die?" We have a concerete reference point.

NAA moved from Ender to Falcon just now as well.

Lol! Ninja'd

Eh, nah.

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Should I tie it? That worked well yesterday, right?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:13 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:10 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:00 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:58 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:47 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.

Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?

It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.

Oh, you're playing now? Excellent


What's your take on Porscha & fingers?

Eh, I don't like this. NAA has given a lot of thoughts on you. Are some of them kinda reachy? Sure, but he gave reasons for him pushing you. Pretending like he hasn't and only just now started "playing" is pretty meh.

Kinda starting to think NAA might be on to something.

Falcon is Maf, falcon is maf cuz he talks about vegetables, falcon is maf voting the biggest wagon, falcon is maf cuz he's still on the wagon, falcon is Maf cuz 3 others soft defended him, falcon is maf cuz nook scum reads him....




Sure it's lots of thoughts, but it's very low quality reads. Or do you disagree? Do you think they are quality, genuine reads?



I mean, NAA gave more insight into his one Mac read than all of his reads on my slot combined

Eh, I agree some are pretty iffy, but if you were frozen on an early wagon that dispersed naturally, that isn't a good look. I don't remember any early wagons so I can't say how you felt in the moment, but that one I thought was a pretty good comment.

More important though it seems you're pretty bothered by these low quality reads, and wished they didn't exist at all. Now, town definitely can get annoyed by this sort of behavior, but what I need to figure out is if you're annoyed town or if you're mafia feeling like you're caught for the wrong reasons.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:00 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:58 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:47 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.

Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?

It's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.

Oh, you're playing now? Excellent


What's your take on Porscha & fingers?

Eh, I don't like this. NAA has given a lot of thoughts on you. Are some of them kinda reachy? Sure, but he gave reasons for him pushing you. Pretending like he hasn't and only just now started "playing" is pretty meh.

Kinda starting to think NAA might be on to something.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.

Why? Because Mac suspects Ender?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:14 am What does “DADV” mean?

DADV - Dead air dead villager. Stagnant wagons/thread leading up to EoD is sometimes a sign of wolves being content with the current gamestate, suggesting the lead wagon is >rand!town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:38 pm I think that Fingersplints, LC and Porscha are all pretty much just town here. Porscha a tier below the other two. Seanzie I think is likely to be town too.

Why do you think I'm town? I've done fuckall thus far.

ender voted you lol

Eh, kind of a weak reason but okay.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:06 pm Town lean Sean, MR.

Porscha is pretty null atm


POE NAA, Mac, Ender, LC

Tell me about me and MR. Why are we town?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:26 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:15 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:12 pm Seanzie, I will vote you out if all you do this game is make a joke at daystart and fuck off.

And I won't even feel bad if you're town.

Seems kinda hostile. I missed one day, one instance does not make a pattern.

Is a pattern necessary for you to be Maf? I don't think so.



You did have a nice pun to start this RD, but I need more than awesome jokes from you plz

The point was that while I did miss most of D1, I literally made an effort to actually show up at D2 and give a crap just to get accosted right out the gate.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:45 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:03 pm Current votes for the record:

Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)

No other votes

Also MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.

In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.

If it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.

So you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.

Eh, I don't really agree with this. Before Falcon was in the tie, MR was calling for a rand (like when LC asked if he should vote me, MR encouraged it to make tiezilla happen), and then Falcon ended up joining the mix because Ender and LC both jumped on me simultaneously, putting me ahead, and then LC moved to Falcon to 4-way-tie it. If MR would have THEN moved to Falcon, breaking the tie after having rescinded his strong scumread on Falcon, that would have been super sus.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:38 pm I think that Fingersplints, LC and Porscha are all pretty much just town here. Porscha a tier below the other two. Seanzie I think is likely to be town too.

Why do you think I'm town? I've done fuckall thus far.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:24 pm I'm not gonna lie. I solved the game overnight. Like legit know who both mafia are. The town in this game should feel very bad.

Do tell.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:22 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:15 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:12 pm Seanzie, I will vote you out if all you do this game is make a joke at daystart and fuck off.

And I won't even feel bad if you're town.

Seems kinda hostile. I missed one day, one instance does not make a pattern.

I'm not particularly happy with the content of the game and if you posted once and disappeared it would have just hurt more.

What is wrong with the content this game?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:12 pm Seanzie, I will vote you out if all you do this game is make a joke at daystart and fuck off.

And I won't even feel bad if you're town.

Seems kinda hostile. I missed one day, one instance does not make a pattern.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:08 pm The fact that Nanook and Wilgy turnip'd dead puts us in quite a pickle.

...do you have anything read related?

I've read all of one page of the game and interacted with no one, so no.

I'll backread at some point.

The fact that Nanook and Wilgy turnip'd dead puts us in quite a pickle.

I'm actually retired so I don't know what I'm doing here. Maybe I'll just lean into the retireee spirit.

Hey all you, get off my lawn!