The Syndicate

How is it going so slowwwwww

@falcon45ca vote Creature.

@Dennis vote Creature

I really think y'all should vote Creature.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:40 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:39 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:37 pm I still think y'all should vote Creature. He froze when his pocket attempt didn't work on me.
ok so seanzie is just mafia LOL god damn it

so i was wrong on someone. i dk who. damn.
How does this make me mafia, exactly? Elaborate please. What do you know?
all the mafia are trolling me and creature rn lmao

Yes, this explains your thoughts. Thanks.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:39 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:37 pm I still think y'all should vote Creature. He froze when his pocket attempt didn't work on me.
ok so seanzie is just mafia LOL god damn it

so i was wrong on someone. i dk who. damn.

How does this make me mafia, exactly? Elaborate please. What do you know?

I still think y'all should vote Creature. He froze when his pocket attempt didn't work on me.

@Bereft Does non-zealot scum creature still not make sense?

I'm just going to keep saying that we should vote Creature.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:03 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:03 pm If Sig is town and Seanzie is faithly representing things then I'm lost, that's really all there is to it.
Why with regard to me?
You claim Creature is not zealot, so that would mean mafia should be doing anything to prevent Creature from going over. Either that or Creature is town as well.

Do you not believe some mafia could bus a slot that is in extremely hot water when the cw started turning up the "townie" dial?

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:03 pm If Sig is town and Seanzie is faithly representing things then I'm lost, that's really all there is to it.

Why with regard to me?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:55 pm The chances of mafia not currently voting Creature are too damn low.

Yes, it is likely there are some mafia on Creature regardless of Creature's alignment.

I'm probably just gonna not overthink things and stay on Creature.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:34 pm @Sabiplz @Porscha move to sig plz.
Done

If you're doing this to sheep Mac, you migjt want to ask Mac his current thoughts.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:24 pm Imma also throw this out sijce I’m here. Whoever was in Rondo town core is probably mafia since otherwise they’d not have put up with that IC thing for so long

Ehh... like I know saying this is probably tactically bad, but this is an extremely townie post imo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:16 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:03 pm Does Falcon/Seanzie fit there? I still don't fully believe Seanzie is townreading Falcon so strong that it remains unwavering. Falcon hasn't done shit today.
Them being wolf together would not be my first guess but hypothetically sure?
I'm assuming Falcon isn't mafia if Seanzie is town because if that's the case Seanzie's ego will take a more thorough pounding than ur mum does every night from the milkman.

Well, that is nice of you.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:15 pm oh god seanzie might be wolf

No.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:09 pm i don't see any real reason why creature/sig can't be W/W based off of their interactions but the way that multiple players have extremely urgent stakes in which one dies first indicates to me that one of them might actually be town after all

My stake comes from being more confident on Creature and being confident they aren't zealot.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:51 pm @Seanzie with all due respect STOP WOLFSIDING MAN.

i could be wrong and FUCK ME IM GARBAGE IF IM WRONG OK VBUT IF IMRIGHT - ur town who pushed mac all game until he got a breakdown and now ur voting creature whos town. please man pull it together. i could be wrong and sorry if im wrong but if im right PLEASE GET UR SHIT TOGETHER AND DO BETTER.

Don't appreciate this post.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:40 pm Falcon
Dennis
Porscha
SPF
Seanzie

Final guess lol.

It's not Falcon or me. The others, meh.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:33 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:30 pm In hindsight Jack's argument that Creature is not the zealot due to not having been bussed is so awful. Like I did say that Creature's been in contention for forever.
Sig has been in contention approximately never, and it reached its zenith when I convinced Seanzie to vote sig with me and probably somebody else in Mac/SPF.
Regardless of Jack's argument, I just don't see any reasonable worlds where Creature is the zealot.
Based on what?

You'll just have to take my word for it.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:30 pm In hindsight Jack's argument that Creature is not the zealot due to not having been bussed is so awful. Like I did say that Creature's been in contention for forever.
Sig has been in contention approximately never, and it reached its zenith when I convinced Seanzie to vote sig with me and probably somebody else in Mac/SPF.

Regardless of Jack's argument, I just don't see any reasonable worlds where Creature is the zealot.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:26 pm I gave up on the Creature/Read ISOs idea. See you all later.

Vote Creature.

@falcon45ca vote Creature

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:35 am What happened to everyone?

Nighttime in the US most likely?

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Re: Cartomancy [Day 4] lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:19 pmhello yo

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:19 pmhello

yo

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:43 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:38 pm I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.
Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.
I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.
Why
I have my reasons.
Wanna share with the class

No. End of story.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:38 pm I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.
Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.
I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.
Why

I have my reasons.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:38 pm I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.
Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:49 pm The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?
@Seanzie I am not sure there is a world where you and Falcon can both be town but you're townlocking him now? Earlier in the game you were questioning whether he was pocketing you by pushing me. Why are you townlocking him?

@falcon45ca talk me through your Seanzie read?
I have strongly townread Falcon almost all game. Doesn't mean I don't get paranoid at times though.
Yes but why?

He's usually an easy read. He doesn't like lying and usually isn't great at it. As wolf he comes off as unconfortable. He doesn't feel that way here.

You said if I'm wolf I'm having my best wolfgame. I feel the same about Falcon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:49 pm The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?
@Seanzie I am not sure there is a world where you and Falcon can both be town but you're townlocking him now? Earlier in the game you were questioning whether he was pocketing you by pushing me. Why are you townlocking him?

@falcon45ca talk me through your Seanzie read?

I have strongly townread Falcon almost all game. Doesn't mean I don't get paranoid at times though.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:02 pm Creature, SPF, Mac, Bereft, Seanzie, Falcon, Lucy

Leaving

Tutuu, Jack, Wilgy, Sig, Porscha, Sabi, Dennis
What made you change on SPF/Mac/Bereft?

It is an exercise.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:06 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:03 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:02 pm Which one name should I remove from that bottom list?
Porscha every day of the week.
Why?
I've found that their persepctive of the game was very agreeable and made alot of sense. Think this is just wellthought Porscha, I like their articulation of feelings on you and Mac and SPF. Even think the whole catching up thing is a minor point in their favor.

Can you quote a few posts from their ISO that gave you this impression?

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:02 pm Which one name should I remove from that bottom list?
Porscha every day of the week.

Why?

Which one name should I remove from that bottom list?

Creature, SPF, Mac, Bereft, Seanzie, Falcon, Lucy

Leaving

Tutuu, Jack, Wilgy, Sig, Porscha, Sabi, Dennis

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:01 pm Jack/Sabi/Wilgy/Dennis/Falcon

Not Falcon.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:17 pm @Porscha pls help us sister im begging u. i think the game is winnable. pls read mine and bereft's posts on this page and previous one

@Seanzie pls help us

I want SPF.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:24 am Rn im at

Dennis and bereft - outed mafia
Falcon - almost definitely mafia
Sig, spf, wilgy, jack - has 2 town and 2 mafia

That group of 4 you say has 2 n 2 I think has 3.25 expected wolves.

We're 3k away from 1 MILLIONS posts sitewide!

We won't hit it this game, but it is coming up fast!

I noticed this like 4 days ago, and I've been incessantly checking to see how close we are. I WANT the millionth post.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:46 am @DrWilgy
@Seanzie
@falcon45ca
@Jackofhearts2005
@Creature
@sig

If you had a bullet who would you kill? If you had a vest, who would you shield?

SPF.

I don't know.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:16 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:17 pm @Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF
If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.
What makes this list possible?

I think that there's one wolf between them, but I'd be very surprised to see 2 in these 3.
I don't see the game going the way it has if that group is mostly town.
how do you see the game going then?

I have talked in length about this, and it is not a good idea to rehash it for threadhealth. My eye is on you. This is the second time I've gotten weird feels from you trying to interact with me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:23 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:01 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:56 pm

Seanzie you literally are a main cause for why it is the way it is. And you're blaming the abstract idea that we'd stop it. You tunneled the towniest player in the game right up until they died then moved on to me. Pull your fucking head out of your ass.
I'm not "blaming" anyone or anything. I'm making a read.
Your read is that if I was town that the game wouldn't be where it is when I've been fighting against a gamestate you've been far more complicit in. You're literally 1984 as fuck. You are doing shit and then blaming me for not preventing it. It's maddening.
My read is that a group {SPF, Mac, Bereft} should be leading us, and they aren't so the group has wolves.

I have not been complicit in the gamestate. My reads have been ignored and none of the people I have pushed for have gotten chopped. The only effect I've had on the gamestate is that I've defended people like Falcon and Creature, because I think they're more likely town than not, and I think I've helped avoid wagons on them.
You were one of the main people pushing Baudib on day 1. It's disingenuous to say you're not complicit in the gamestate when you did that AND voted Alison on day 1. You are not alone but you're part of the core group.
I did push Baudib, and I was wrong, but that isn't being complicit in anything. I only voted Alison when the day was almost done (5 minutes left) and a FS wagon appeared out of nowhere (unless you mean earlier in the day when I was voting Alison and Baudib to see how people would react to the tie). Alison was not a great choice IMO, but at that point, only Alison and FS were viable, at AT LEAST Alison is someone we talked about that day so their flip would be more beneficial than an infoless FS flip.

Neither of these things is being complicit in the gamestate.
Being awfully generous to yourself compared to others.

Yeah, well I know it doesn't necessarily feel like it (and I apologize about that - will try to check my tone moving forward), but I'm not trying to throw blame around. I'm trying to find scum. I'm generous to myself because I know my own alignment.

You said at some point that you didn't think SPF had partners this game. I know it is hard to talk about a non-existence claim, but can you elaborate?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:28 am mac is still lock town for me but spf and bereft surviving over rondo raises eyebrows

if theyre town, mafia was afraid of the doctor card, not the silly tinfoil stuff

(and keep mac alive coz of the tinfoils on him) is my read

This is a reasonable explanation for the current gamestate.

The more I think, the more I worry about SPF in particular.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:05 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:56 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:52 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:47 pm Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.
Hard for me fam as I think you are basically townfirmed based on Kate.

Also why is SPF wallposting wolf indicative?
Because I dealt with wolf spf twice in games (and specced/hosted her numerous times).

Someone on hydra game said something about her views in the game being polarized as wolf. Or something like that.
i told you in a chat a couple of months ago that i tend to wallpost more as a wolf than as town because wallposting makes people townread me more by default. but the read doesn't make sense anyway considering i've made about 2 posts in this game that i would consider to be a "wallpost", unless you think that writing like 3 paragraphs counts as a wall now

also i'm not polarized at all tbh

I wonder if this has anything to do with your wolfy Creature wallpost from early game that I called you out on?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:23 pm Seanzie and Falcon, sell me on SPF being a wolf.

I'm not going to do that. I know I can't outargue the heavy hitters out there, and I've learned enough from mafia that when I'm the underdog in these sorts of situations, I shouldn't even try to case them, it will be torn to shreds and it will be written off by the town.

I leave it to you to convince yourself, or them to slip up.

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