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Seanzie after 18 games as town:Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:29 pmThat's a great idea!Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:28 pmJust lynch his ass every time to be clear.Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:04 pmMan I never want to play against wolf you again
When you were like "I need to look into Epi/Seanzie/Falcon more" I got real worried.Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:04 pmMan I never want to play against wolf you again
I was kicking myself for not moving votes at EoD3 to kill Dennis this morning.
In wolfchat
That isn't how the game works. You were the hardest person to play against this last day, and I actually had to pivot away from pushing you and try to get Fingersplints to move somewhere else because your fighting made it difficult to predict how EoD was going to go if we were planning on stacking on you.
What do you feel about Epi's movements right now?
I'm having a hard time parsing the last sentence, can you say that one more time?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:30 pmYarSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:58 pmAbout that...
If there is even the least chance you won't be around for EoD, can you move your vote? A single wrong vote loses us the game if the wolves are around to snipe at EoD.
[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine I still think is the best route today. Literally the only variable that COULD have been W influence on that wagon last cycle was Six.
Do you actually have any takes on me and/or Fingersplints? You've thrown our names around as scum a lot, but never really said why you think this for either of us.SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:23 pm I guess i should vote epi in order to save myself, on the off chance i am wrong about seanzie. At least i am certain that i am town
About that...
About that...
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:25 pmI’m still going six/epi/Dennis for the teamSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:06 pmIf Six is mafia, who are their teammates?Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:57 pmI mean you weeere voting with me (insert rolling eyes emoji here)Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:54 pm @falcon45ca @Epignosis @SixStrings @DrWilgy @Dennis You're all voting single-vote wagons 4 hours before EoD in ELO.
This is not an okay thing.
Can you either get in here and make the case for your wagon, or can you coalesce? A single townie voting off-wagon today can lose it for us, so we really need to fix this.
Nothing happened to change my mind this far this day
I'm not really ready to commit to a single team since I think it is possible I'm getting fooled somewhere, but yeah, those are the three names I'm most willing to entertain today.
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:17 pmScooby-Doo, day 3. I started arguing to protect Kate and them everyone's like "Dennis is an obvious wolf" and then I did not say anything and thread and died with like 9 people on my wagonSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:13 pmWhat game was that?Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:09 pmThe last time I was wolf in a situation like this I said nothing literally all day cuz it was hopeless I wouldn't bother risking putting my teammates at risk with connections for the chance I livedSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:03 pmI haven't gotten the feeling that you're genuinely solving. Today your effort has given me some pause, but I am wary that this is just because you feel like you need to or you'd be flipped. Prior to today, the vast majority of your takes have been things like "blah isn't playing like they did in blah", which is easily fakable since you don't really need to be considering someone's alignment to notice differences in their play from one game to the next. Couple that with the fact that you're in pretty much any reasonable team I can put together, makes you IMO the best elim today.Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:56 pmI'm tryin
Epi is confusing the hell out of me with his little popins. At the time I was the top wagon ergo wolves are content with it ergo wolves not really paying attention to the game and think it's pretty much over and I think it's possible that's what's happening there
Falcon does actually look townier the more I think about it because in a w!Falcon world, him talking to me back at start of day where I was convinced I was gonna get chopped just kinda gave me more fighting power and being quieter would benefit him more
Seanzie (woah that's you) has not said much today until like a few hours ago, unless I'm being self centered again. But I kinda just realized your suspicion on me was kinda unexplained save for that one post. Or, maybe it's less a suspicion and more some nerd stuff like "mathematically, Dennis has the most connection and is ergo bad" or whatever and it went over my head. I should have asked you why you suspect me sooner so uh.. what's up with that
Even this - you said you were going to look into us earlier, but I think if I wouldn't have said anything, you would have never made this post. What is your read of Epi. He is confusing you and wolves are content - does that mean you suspect him?
I probably wouldn't have said anything but I was focusing on you in my lil brain. Probably not today, at least cause I'm not certain on like any of these
Yah I'm suspecting epi, people always have this problem of failing to see what I'm suggesting unless I outright say it but that's neither here nor there
If you're town, you should be playing like today is the only day of the game.
It is less that I didn't see what you were suggesting, more that it is good play to get people to commit to specific things. Now if you all the sudden start townreading Epi in a weird way later in the day because they're in thread and you need a vote from them, that would just be outing, but if you didn't actually commit to a read, it is harder to verify/convince others of this since you can claim that you didn't really suspect him and it becomes more subjective.
(Insert thinking emoji here) i see i see, I guess that makes sense
Maybe I'm just hedgy like in the way I talk and I imply things more than I outright say them
What game was that?Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:09 pmThe last time I was wolf in a situation like this I said nothing literally all day cuz it was hopeless I wouldn't bother risking putting my teammates at risk with connections for the chance I livedSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:03 pmI haven't gotten the feeling that you're genuinely solving. Today your effort has given me some pause, but I am wary that this is just because you feel like you need to or you'd be flipped. Prior to today, the vast majority of your takes have been things like "blah isn't playing like they did in blah", which is easily fakable since you don't really need to be considering someone's alignment to notice differences in their play from one game to the next. Couple that with the fact that you're in pretty much any reasonable team I can put together, makes you IMO the best elim today.Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:56 pmI'm tryin
Epi is confusing the hell out of me with his little popins. At the time I was the top wagon ergo wolves are content with it ergo wolves not really paying attention to the game and think it's pretty much over and I think it's possible that's what's happening there
Falcon does actually look townier the more I think about it because in a w!Falcon world, him talking to me back at start of day where I was convinced I was gonna get chopped just kinda gave me more fighting power and being quieter would benefit him more
Seanzie (woah that's you) has not said much today until like a few hours ago, unless I'm being self centered again. But I kinda just realized your suspicion on me was kinda unexplained save for that one post. Or, maybe it's less a suspicion and more some nerd stuff like "mathematically, Dennis has the most connection and is ergo bad" or whatever and it went over my head. I should have asked you why you suspect me sooner so uh.. what's up with that
Even this - you said you were going to look into us earlier, but I think if I wouldn't have said anything, you would have never made this post. What is your read of Epi. He is confusing you and wolves are content - does that mean you suspect him?
I probably wouldn't have said anything but I was focusing on you in my lil brain. Probably not today, at least cause I'm not certain on like any of these
Yah I'm suspecting epi, people always have this problem of failing to see what I'm suggesting unless I outright say it but that's neither here nor there
If Six is mafia, who are their teammates?Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:57 pmI mean you weeere voting with me (insert rolling eyes emoji here)Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:54 pm @falcon45ca @Epignosis @SixStrings @DrWilgy @Dennis You're all voting single-vote wagons 4 hours before EoD in ELO.
This is not an okay thing.
Can you either get in here and make the case for your wagon, or can you coalesce? A single townie voting off-wagon today can lose it for us, so we really need to fix this.
I haven't gotten the feeling that you're genuinely solving. Today your effort has given me some pause, but I am wary that this is just because you feel like you need to or you'd be flipped. Prior to today, the vast majority of your takes have been things like "blah isn't playing like they did in blah", which is easily fakable since you don't really need to be considering someone's alignment to notice differences in their play from one game to the next. Couple that with the fact that you're in pretty much any reasonable team I can put together, makes you IMO the best elim today.Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:56 pmI'm tryin
Epi is confusing the hell out of me with his little popins. At the time I was the top wagon ergo wolves are content with it ergo wolves not really paying attention to the game and think it's pretty much over and I think it's possible that's what's happening there
Falcon does actually look townier the more I think about it because in a w!Falcon world, him talking to me back at start of day where I was convinced I was gonna get chopped just kinda gave me more fighting power and being quieter would benefit him more
Seanzie (woah that's you) has not said much today until like a few hours ago, unless I'm being self centered again. But I kinda just realized your suspicion on me was kinda unexplained save for that one post. Or, maybe it's less a suspicion and more some nerd stuff like "mathematically, Dennis has the most connection and is ergo bad" or whatever and it went over my head. I should have asked you why you suspect me sooner so uh.. what's up with that
I don't think FS is the vote today.SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:42 pmthanks for thatSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:11 pmELO means "elim or lose", i.e. we are in a gamestate in which we absolutely MUST flip a wolf today or we insta-lose at EoD (sleep or miselim loses).SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:22 pmI understand that we need to coordinate. I don't understand ELO, but more importantly your post has flipped my vote as most likely to be wolf from you to splintz. Sadly my game is not all that multi faceted yet. Either you are genuine in your desire to bring town cohesion OR it was a great sales pitch.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:09 am Keep in mind we are in ELO everyone, which means that if even one townie votes wrong or the townies split between two wolves, wolves can stack and win. As such, we really need to coordinate our votes and it is especially important to be around near EoD so we can make sure there aren't any vanity votes. We have a little under 24 hours.
ELO means "elim or lose", i.e. we are in a gamestate in which we absolutely MUST flip a wolf today or we insta-lose at EoD (sleep or miselim loses).SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:22 pmI understand that we need to coordinate. I don't understand ELO, but more importantly your post has flipped my vote as most likely to be wolf from you to splintz. Sadly my game is not all that multi faceted yet. Either you are genuine in your desire to bring town cohesion OR it was a great sales pitch.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:09 am Keep in mind we are in ELO everyone, which means that if even one townie votes wrong or the townies split between two wolves, wolves can stack and win. As such, we really need to coordinate our votes and it is especially important to be around near EoD so we can make sure there aren't any vanity votes. We have a little under 24 hours.
TBF, I feel like Falcon kinda activated like halfway through yesterday, so while it is still late game, Idk if I'd describe it as "final hour".DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:43 amI mean, if you are town yeah I'd be happy.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:34 amAnd also! Liquid courage inspired...why does it seem you're...miffed? I dunno, like irked almost that you can solve me now.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:25 pm I agree with Seanzie that we are finally seeing town Falcon.
I'm concerned that it's some bottom of the 9th bullshit though in spite of his tinfoil and reads feeling they are coming from a place of legitimacy. I very much wish we could've solved you earlier.
You also being town making Epi the d1 wolf vote on you makes sense too.
I'd think town would be HAPPY to find town, no?
I've seen you go from a day of nada to a day of solving to a day of nada again, often that's indicative of your town game. The day of solving, that is.
It's just like I said, the fact that it had to come to the final hour to show your day of solving is concerning. Idk if when you do this is alignment indicative or not though.
same difference iMO.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:57 pmI didn't no-vote. I just didn't vote Dennis or Mata.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:27 pmI came to the opposite conclusion actually. Epi's no-vote was weird IMO, and I think it raises Epi/Dennis w/w equity.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:26 pmSeanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:26 am If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm
Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.
Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.
Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie
Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.
Can you say more about both/either of us?SixStrings wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:43 pmI would consider seanzie or splintz.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:14 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:13 pm(what does that mean)falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:11 pmDennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:08 pmIf you could kill one person right now, with the game on the line, who would it be and why?SixStrings wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:07 pmMy suspicion of Dennis remains, however if I understand correctly, a miss this time equals a loss. That said, Dennis does NOT get the next lynch vote from me.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:52 pm @DrWilgy Where's your head at?
@Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?
@SixStrings Do you have any thoughts on anything? How are you reading Dennis today?
It means I agree with your question
Can you please just answer the questions?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:19 pmI'm pretty sure I voted.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:18 am
I really felt like Epi was going to snipe at the last second and I almost moved to Dennis at the last second just so Epi couldn't have the deciding vote.
@Epignosis would you vote to save a teammate even if it meant for bad optics? Would you bus a teammate even if you could save them?
What was your read on Mata? Dennis?
I came to the opposite conclusion actually. Epi's no-vote was weird IMO, and I think it raises Epi/Dennis w/w equity.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:26 pmSeanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:26 am If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm
Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.
Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.
Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie
Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.
I think Wilgy should be on this list as well. Especially if it is something like Dennis/Epi/Wilgy, that would explain why Wilgy was steadfast on Mata last EoD when Falcon and I were on Epi. I TR Wilgy independent of this, but for your exercise, I think they get an honorable mention here.fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:26 am If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm
In my defense, I still kind of think Kate just made a mistake and Neon was really scum.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:39 am Immediate observations:
The D1 Neon wagon being pure is gross and means that wolves stacked on Falcon OR Syn. I just realized Falcon didn't have a vote d1 and that skews things slightly.
Still at least 1 in Seanzie, Splints, Dennis based on Neon D2
I see a difference check between Dennis and Six.
A. Dennis is W and the wagon is Pure (would make sense as Splints is still likely town).
B. Dennis is T and the wolf on board has to be Six.
Potential of 2 on Mata D3.
Seanzie has been on each misyeet.
Dennis/Epi.Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:13 amSeanzie jumps to my head as the first town and epi as the second, but their argument has stuck in my head for some reason. I remember saying it was a difference check but a better way to describe it was that it was certainly not w/wfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:29 pm
If you're town, then help me find the other two.
Dennis, I am town. With that in mind, who are our other two teammates in your mind?
I also have had this tinfoil in my head the entire time about epi because the one game I've played with him, he completely owned me as scum and I was so deep down his pocket that I was in disbelief when I died and saw he was scum
Wilgy I don't have active concerns with, he has just always seemed like his typical everyday town wilgy. I saw your point about "why is he still alive" and I was thinking about the night kills, svs lemonfairy and Roxy. (If you don't wanna read, pretty much I say I think there was a better kill every night) SVS was pretty much spewed town by everyone, so that felt like the most optimal kill to me then. Then lemonfairy which was actually a bit confusing, but they were the most sctive (they actually still have the most posts) and quiet thread tends to mean wolves are happy. Shutting up lemon could only really benefit wolves imo. Finally Roxy was like almost immediately a "oh that's meant to frame me", which I realize you guys can't exactly know, but that's what it is fmpov so like all I can really say is just trust me broI also would be very wary of anyone who says something like "Dennis is new so of course he would night kill people giving him trouble" cause I'm not that naive or dumb and most people should know that
Inb4 someone brings up tounge tied where I used that "I'm not that dumb" argument as wolf, my plan there was to distance myself from Neon and send her deep and fall back on the "I'm not dumb" schtick, whereas here it was a NK and I don't really know how I could distance with that
Tldr, seanzie I'm most confident in, then epi or wilgy, I would need to see today play out
