The Syndicate

Thanks for the host @Epignosis

Good job everyone! I think if we wouldn't have won the way we did, things would have been very different. Jay and Moto were outed, and me and Porscha probably could have been found by endgame, so I think the game was rather close.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:11 pm The sad thing is that I was debating on using my ability to yeet Seanzie in the final hour.

Annnnd I hesitated.

Rough game.

I was getting that feeling, but we kind of needed to either miselim you, or get you to use up your ability for a later plan.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:11 pm The sad thing is that I was debating on using my ability to yeet Seanzie in the final hour.

Annnnd I hesitated.

Rough game.

I was getting that feeling, but we kind of needed to either miselim you, or get you to use up your ability for a later plan.

*Points to Jay's wagon*

No, back to here. It is possibly melo, not the time to blindly trust mech.

I jest, but only slightly.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:29 am I say we flip the moto read. That's my Occam take. If we lose, gg, congrats wolfs.

Zenon being town and asking to be flipped is a self-destructive town move or a wolf flaunt. Welcome to WIFOMville.

Can we please elim this?

I have pretty limited time right meow, but I skimmed and have a few things:

1. Zenon/Jay claims - I don't see Zenon/Jay w/t making sense, so the only world where Jay is town is where both Jay and Zenon are town. If that's the case, there has to be something weird going on behind the scenes, and I'd be wary of both claims. As such, between Jay/Moto, always elim Jay here.

2. It's possible Rico spewed that wolf team has only 3 members. That's a bad assumption to make in an 18er. It's possible he's purposefully trying to avoid us realizing we're in melo though. 3 wolves pretty much means at least one 3p maybe two 3p (or there are some way OP BTS mechanics we're being whammied with to offset the 15/3 dynamic with multiple town KP).

but...

3. Rico's push on Jay's tracker mechanics is like wtf? Honestly he's coming off as paranoid town and I feel like my whole worldview is crumping. Idk I gotta think more about this.

Finally,

4. I was poisoned, and uhh... apparently my spider gland is soggy so I can't use it. Which is pretty cool.

So, was that a "no" on the Rico flashwagon, or...?

(for legal reasons, this is a joke)

How do we feel about a Rico flashwagon here?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:12 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:53 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:38 pm Liver & Onions -falcon45ca
Yogurt - Belzy
Deviled Eggs - Porscha
Pimento Cheese Sandwich - die_meatbaby
Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream - Ricochet

Only five food items for this day phase, when last day phase had eight, and the first day phase had 11

next day phase it will likely be two food items

Three? Unless you expect there to be two night deaths again.

This. It seems that the total number of items available matches the number of people alive, and it seems that through time the amount of food is decreasing, while we've had the same number of misc items every day.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:45 am A tentative early PoE order post-meat-baby would be something like

Falcon45ca -> Zenon (if falcon mafia) / Rico (if falcon not mafia) -> one of motobot/lime coke (you all figure it out because I'm probably dead by this point) -> the other of motobot/lime coke

If somehow we go Falcon -> Rico with both green flips either we've lost or its time to hit all the panic buttons.

I saw your post about Falcon/Zenon, but why Rico only if Falcon NOT mafia?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:50 am Btw

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:29 am You were removed from the poll but not silenced, but Rondo was silenced and Zenon was silenced, and the fact that the Rico-quirk only happened once bothers you?

Am I to conjecture that something specific bothers you about the silences on Rondo and Zenon that you're just not sharing?

It isn't something about the silence that bothers me, at least directly

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:16 am Speaking of silences, if what affects Zenon the same thing that affected Rondo, why is the one that affected Rico single-shot? What occurred to Rico happened only once and nobody else today.

Unless they targeted the same person I guess. I'm trying to ponder out these questions, which may very well lead no-where, but they might highlight or suggest a direction to look. And who knows, maybe someone who hasn't claimed (which, btw, is all but 2 of us alive here if I have my facts straight) will have info on what's going on and want to share. If there are claims though be wary of anti-claim and so try to be somewhat vague on what you claim.

Here you bring up Rondo and Zenon, and then whatever affected Rico, however you don't seem curious about whatever happened to you D2. Also, I realized while ISOing myself last night (I know, conceited, but meh, sometimes it can be really helpful to remember how earlier days went - reads I've forgotten) I realized you were the one who suggested Rondo was silenced (even though you also were removed from the poll and not silenced). I feel like you know things about this, and aren't sharing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:39 pm meatbaby/Martin association

Spoiler: show

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:54 am I want to vote on Martin
I see a wagon on Tutuu and Martin. I will explain it later because I am still at work.
But I can't vote on Martin because there is not a voting option with Martin... everybody else but not Martin. Is he just missing on my voting thread or at yours as well?
And O don't want to vote on Tutuu today, I am still not sure about her but def want Martin out

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:48 pm Does nobody see a wagon with Martin, JJJ and Tutuu or is this just me?

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:26 am [VOTE: Martin] aubergine

Spoiler: show

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:24 pm I think I'll be here for now.

[VOTE: meatbaby] aubergine

open to consideration of other slots though because someone earlier pointed out it was their first day here and if they're town and I kick them off I would feel very rude tbh, but that won't save them from being my 2nd day vote if they live to that point with no improvement

im now off to read in SVS and Scotty and such

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:15 am tutuu

JaggedJimmyJay

Vivax
Lime Coke
Scotty
falcon45ca
Ricochet

RondoDimBuckle
Belzy
Creature
DrWilgy
Seanzie
Zenon
Porscha
motobot

S~V~S
die_meatbaby

Something like this? I would say? A lot of it feels like waiting for more to happen from certain people so I'm not sold on this arrangement. But it does bother me since my vote could go onto a person whom I could maybe solve later and I dislike being inefficient like that (unless I get lucky and its on a wolf). Better than letting Tutuu die though.

Looks like I'll have to see if I can be here tomorrow (IRL) more. No promises though since usually my Wednesday evenings are spent with a particular online friend unless they're too busy.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:33 am I just realized the alphabetizer I used didn't order properly. It went through upper-case and then lower-case.

Meaning I had die_meatbaby much farther down in my to-do list than I should've. Oh well. Its an ordering anyways.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:51 pm

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:48 pm Does nobody see a wagon with Martin, JJJ and Tutuu or is this just me?

Rondodimbuckle and I are missing from the poll, where we vote people, if that's what you're referring to.

Everyone else appears to be on there though.

This might be the most conclusively dissociated pair on the board. I don't get a distancing impression at all from the first Martin vote, and credit to him for having a good initial instinct for meatbaby. meatbaby's reception of Martin in general strikes me as pure return-fire defensiveness, and not the sort of thing that suggests an unseen agenda. I doubt Martin is meatbaby's teammate.

Meatbaby spends a weird amount of time on Martin compared to other things, but I could easily see this come from people pushing them in wolf chat. How do you explain their (lack of) progression on Martin? As TMI, or?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:16 am Speaking of silences, if what affects Zenon the same thing that affected Rondo, why is the one that affected Rico single-shot? What occurred to Rico happened only once and nobody else today.

Unless they targeted the same person I guess. I'm trying to ponder out these questions, which may very well lead no-where, but they might highlight or suggest a direction to look. And who knows, maybe someone who hasn't claimed (which, btw, is all but 2 of us alive here if I have my facts straight) will have info on what's going on and want to share. If there are claims though be wary of anti-claim and so try to be somewhat vague on what you claim.

You were removed from the poll but not silenced, but Rondo was silenced and Zenon was silenced, and the fact that the Rico-quirk only happened once bothers you?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:57 am Zenon is someone I need to look further into. I have varying positive impressions of them but I have yet to do a full ISO of them. What direction that may lead me to will help me start building worlds and refine what poe order I would like and etc.

Also Zenon hasn't popped up today, for whatever reason.

Question for you @Seanzie, you still confident in that Porscha thing? I realized earlier I completely forgot them to place them in my poe-oriented view of the game earlier and I think part of it is that I have them written off from consideration because you've vouched for them so much.

I still feel fine about Porscha.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:53 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:40 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:29 am I am, just in case someone really wants something of me.

Otherwise I'm planning to actually work on solving more when I wake up sometime 13-14 hours from now. Like actually just looking into the possible associatives myself rather than looking at what JJJ pointed out, for example.

If you're still here, what do you think of Rondo and/or Rico?

if there aren't any deepwolves Rico most likely is a wolf is what my intuition says, part of it is prior arguments I've discussed and part of it is just poe

Rondo I've spoken recently about, I largely feel he can be wolf but I'm sheeping JJJ's perspective on it because he has more experience with Rondo and argues that he's among the few that aren't compatible with meatbaby

This is your recent post. Why did you assume Rondo couldn't post D2?

All by my ssssseeeeeeellllffff

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:29 am I am, just in case someone really wants something of me.

Otherwise I'm planning to actually work on solving more when I wake up sometime 13-14 hours from now. Like actually just looking into the possible associatives myself rather than looking at what JJJ pointed out, for example.

If you're still here, what do you think of Rondo and/or Rico?

Is anyone around?

Meh.

Nothing?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:00 am I was super happy when I got holed. It was a nice excuse to not post while I was actually really busy. I have this lunch break at work and then I probably wont post till next day unless I can sneak some time. Got a super busy afternoon, evening and morning. So if you wanna chat I am here for a bit

Care to respond to my earlier post?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:56 pm It was interesting how little people actually pushed me over the past two day phases. Everyone was willing to say "oh that Rondo what a sneaky guy, I dont want to town read him but he isnt a wolf so I will bravely go out on a limb and say null" but no one seriously pushed me over more than 72 hours of solo pushing jjj

You've done shiz. Who said this?

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:06 pm Probably a good look for meatbaby too, even if they clearly had frustrations with tutuu

I lied.

I have a 1-shot watcher ability, and I watched tutuu last night. meatbaby visited her.

[VOTE: die_meatbaby] aubergine

First I would kill tutuu in N1 if I was Wolf when I would give no fuck to get caught and still if I would give a fuck about getting caught I wouldn't kill tutuu because you all would think of me as wolf. Also as Mafia I would kill Seanzie in N1. Since D1 I see him as a strong Player. But you can vote me out if you want. I feel so alone as Townie here, because you all play like wolf. It seems like everybody is lying here, also it doesn't matter if you have one Townie less anymore. They will win anyways with this kind of Townmembers

I think this pretty much confirms I'm either spot-on with Rico, and/or there is a wolf in scumchat that knows I am often D1'd. Possible people that could fit that bill are {Belzy, Falcon Porscha} and maybe a lower but possible chance of people having that impression would be {Rondo, Martin, Lime}. Belzy or Falcon would be my first guess.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:45 pm meatbaby/Lime Coke association

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:21 am [VOTE: Die_Meatbaby] aubergine

Not sure how much I believe in it but want my vote somewhere.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:08 pm Townread:
Scotty
Tutuu
JJJ

Townlean:
Zenon
Martin

[VOTE: Die Meat baby] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:14 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:12 pm I won’t endorse voting for meatbaby on D1
@Vivax how many games have they played?
Or even @die_meatbaby can answer themselves.

Either way, would love a check in and more posting from them.

TBH I don't like the JJJ or Tutuu wagons either. So I'd rather go meat_baby.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:10 pm If I had a reads list it would look somewhat like...

Townread:
Scotty
Tutuu
JJJ
Zenon
Sean

Townlean:
SVS
Die_meat

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:08 pm Alright so here's how we do this.

Town:
Tutuu
Jayjayy
WhopWhoop (Porscha)
Sean...Seanzie
Ze...non
Die_diee

Part of me wants to try to culminate and try to sponge townreads from part of my towncore, so hopefully I can get those from certain people?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:00 pm Porscha I'm not voting due to SVS legacy.

Die_meat I'm not voting due to Tutuu saying she wouldn't vote them after their outburst on Day 1.

Hold on what else is there.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:13 pm Soooo

Not Voting:
Zenon (Not on the poll, haaaa!)
Porscha
Die_MeatB
Belzy
Martin (?)

Seanzie and JJJ are on the brink unless they've been significantly off as town this game.

Ricochet I'm loosening my grip on and just looking elsewhere.

It's between Falcon, Rondo and Motobot.

And I kinda hate that POE ngl.

I mentioned this interaction earlier as one that had me torn. meatbaby never mentioned LC, so we rely entirely on LC's decent volume of stuff to make a judgment. The first three posts show an [apparent] willingness of LC to go after meatbaby on Day 1 before they showed up with their tone of angst. Then LC moved to a town read. At level 1, that progression is teammate-compatible. Still, LC was not alone in having that progression, and I don't really fault it. I'd feel irresponsible dissociating them entirely on the basis of this material. I don't think LC would be my first guess though. For this more than may any other interaction I would love to have others' takes.

This is accurate. While I don't think Meatbaby was on my radar at all early D1 (partially because I wasn't here), at some point they did something that I wouldn't associate with a newbie wolf, and put them in "likely town" zone, probably from the same place that caused Lime to flip on Meatbaby. However they dropped in towniness D2, so I wouldn't mind hearing from @Lime Coke what caused them to include Meatbaby on their "won't vote" list today.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:21 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:37 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:26 am Like one of my pet peeves in mafia legit are people that just resort to OMGUS when they do nothing at all throughout the game.

I'm one of the more generous readers you'll see, so if you did a lick of anything towny then I can find you town.

But you're not doing that at all.

I made a Day 2 case on you, I’m not OMGUSing you.

That you found it context-splitting (don’t think it was, since it was your votes track) and garbage, it’s your prerogative.

Your case on me is what exactly - and you went as far as guilty’ing me for having had three reads on three town - and for not doing whatever towny stuff you demand of me. Shrug.

Sean is probably town tunneler. You are likely wolf sheeper.

I am a little confused about Rico's push here on Lime over me. It kinda makes me wonder if one of Rico's partners is someone who knows me well enough to know that I'll fight hard in a thunderdome. I suppose it's also possible that this is a 300 iq distancing play and scum!Lime is about to hose us tomorrow after we flip scum!Rico, but meh... that's a tomorrow concern.

Why is it beyond reason that I find you to have made at least a case effort (instead of a piggyback on the case’s core idea) and that you just exhibit the worst towntunnel instead of wolf hounding me into demise?

I mean that seems reasonable from a town!Rico standpoint, but I'm more concerned with what it means for scum!Rico. Obviously it isn't particularly fruitful for me to talk to you about the implications of scum!you on other people though, unless you want to shed some light on the rest of the team?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:06 pm Probably a good look for meatbaby too, even if they clearly had frustrations with tutuu

I lied.

I have a 1-shot watcher ability, and I watched tutuu last night. meatbaby visited her.

[VOTE: die_meatbaby] aubergine

Oh, well that's something.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:37 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:26 am Like one of my pet peeves in mafia legit are people that just resort to OMGUS when they do nothing at all throughout the game.

I'm one of the more generous readers you'll see, so if you did a lick of anything towny then I can find you town.

But you're not doing that at all.

I made a Day 2 case on you, I’m not OMGUSing you.

That you found it context-splitting (don’t think it was, since it was your votes track) and garbage, it’s your prerogative.

Your case on me is what exactly - and you went as far as guilty’ing me for having had three reads on three town - and for not doing whatever towny stuff you demand of me. Shrug.

Sean is probably town tunneler. You are likely wolf sheeper.

I am a little confused about Rico's push here on Lime over me. It kinda makes me wonder if one of Rico's partners is someone who knows me well enough to know that I'll fight hard in a thunderdome. I suppose it's also possible that this is a 300 iq distancing play and scum!Lime is about to hose us tomorrow after we flip scum!Rico, but meh... that's a tomorrow concern.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:11 am @Seanzie

Do you have any thoughts on you being alive this long while going after Rico this entire time?

Don't you think if you were right you're probably dead by this point instead of SVS and Tutuu?

I do have some tinfoil that the Tutuu kill and me being alive might point to Jay, but NKA is all sorts of wifomy with 3-4 people calling the shots.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:12 am Also do you have a possible second mafia read or are you just focused on Ricochet at this point?

Honestly, I'm pretty dead set on Rico right now and don't really want to get distracted from that. Dude should have been elimmed two days ago IMO, and I don't really want to push anywhere else until he is flipped. Too easy to get distracted that way.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:14 am @Seanzie

Also last thing if Rico is town here who is TMI'ing the dude town?

I have an answer to this, but I don't want to share it re:distraction.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:12 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:07 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:47 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:30 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:26 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:37 am

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

How do you feel about Lime Coke?

Not my preferred lynch. Would you lynch there?

No, but they were the most viable non WIlgy/Creature wagon at EoD, and I'm curious as to why you didn't go there if you felt so strongly about the other two wagons. Why go onto Moto who had no votes, vs Lime that had like 3 or 4?

I see. I didn't scumread LC.

So you believed all three wagons were town, and decided to vote a 4th wagon that has been afk pretty much all game once Creature claimed vengeful, essentially assuring Creature would go over but couldn't shoot you since there is no way that wagon would grow big enough to overtake them?

Confused both by the disaccord in Belzy's "not my preferred lynch" together with "no wolfread"

and by Seanzie's questioning of Lime not having been chosen as the third wagon, in light of him having not lynched there (at all).

I know my thoughts on Lime. I want to know where Belzy's head is at.

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:07 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:47 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:30 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:26 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:37 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:32 am Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

How do you feel about Lime Coke?

Not my preferred lynch. Would you lynch there?

No, but they were the most viable non WIlgy/Creature wagon at EoD, and I'm curious as to why you didn't go there if you felt so strongly about the other two wagons. Why go onto Moto who had no votes, vs Lime that had like 3 or 4?

I see. I didn't scumread LC.

So you believed all three wagons were town, and decided to vote a 4th wagon that has been afk pretty much all game once Creature claimed vengeful, essentially assuring Creature would go over but couldn't shoot you since there is no way that wagon would grow big enough to overtake them?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:58 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:25 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:32 am Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Lime was also a viable CW up until close to EoD. You don't see Creature as a possible Lime!Save?

Wasn't asleep and would need to retrace the progression, but it seems that Lime wagon died out. 2-vote wagon is not viable close to EOD, on paper, no.

I can look into a steer from Lime scenario, yes.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:59 am 3-vote wagon, oops, forgot about motobot's vote value.

Lime was a 5 votes, tied with Wilgy/Creature for a while (granted, this included a hunger vote on Lime).

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:56 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:20 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:55 am [VOTE: Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream] aubergine

*throws subtle shade re: No flint/wood*

*avoids flint/wood*

Uh huh...

I don't embrace hunger. I've been hounded and wagoned for two Days already. I have to also contemplate getting a vote bleed if I will vote Lime once more. So nothing is stress-free for me to embrace starting Days with invisible votes.

On the protection perspective, does the mafia have any reason to not leave me hanging (or push themselves for my mislynch)?

Meh... I admit that my point here wasn't very good.

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:30 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:26 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:37 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:32 am Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

How do you feel about Lime Coke?

Not my preferred lynch. Would you lynch there?

No, but they were the most viable non WIlgy/Creature wagon at EoD, and I'm curious as to why you didn't go there if you felt so strongly about the other two wagons. Why go onto Moto who had no votes, vs Lime that had like 3 or 4?

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:27 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:34 pm It's worth noting that Lime is actually at 5 votes right now even though it doesn't look like it in the poll. Moto is a double-voter and Lime has 1 hunger vote from D1.

If things don't change before EoD, I'll probably move to Creature since that's a better flip than Lime IMO. I'd also support a Wilgy wagon.

What made you okay w/lynching Wilg and Creature?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:21 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:53 am Imo eod2 creature and wilgy looked very towny. Jjj didnt got there, and lynched town twice. Also Sean usually looks better with his votes.

Which votes of mine do you have an issue with?

Your vote on Wilg. Could you elobarate that and your eod2?

I wasn't okay with eliming Creature. I preferred Creature over Lime, but that was well-before the vengeful stuff, and I was mostly trying to keep a Rico wagon viable, until it was clear it wasn't, and then voted Wilgy because Rico wagon died, and it was between Creature/Wilgy/Lime and no one seemed to notice that Lime wagon was bigger than it looked because of vote shenanigans. This was all before the Creature!Vengeful, Wilgy!Suicidal thing though. I'd love to say if I would have been around for that I would have changed my vote, but meh... I hoped Wilgy might flip scum (even though honestly Creature was clear town for voting themself... even though I had already seen their flip when I read EoD so it is hard to say if that isn't just confbias).

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:19 am Sean,

What is your read on JJj?

He has reminded me a lot of the CindyKate/Percy game in terms of the legwork running ISOs, and now the associative thing (even though it does seem a bit sparse, but that might be because of doing lower posters first). I was heavily suspicious of Jay and found him very agenda-y in Halvorsen ridge when he was scum, and I haven't gotten the same vibes as now. However, the fact that we do feel pretty far off base does not bode well for him, and also I am a little concerned I am being kept alive in order to slightly mitigate a "why is Jay still alive" push ("Why is Seanzie still alive too?" can really defuse that), especially with Tutuu dying, who was pretty strongly saying that if Jay doesn't bag a wolf by D4 they should be flipped (which honestly, I agree with). Still, probably more a town-lean than not, but he is compatible with Rico so... meh. Still want Rico first.

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:37 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:32 am Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

How do you feel about Lime Coke?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:32 am Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Lime was also a viable CW up until close to EoD. You don't see Creature as a possible Lime!Save?

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:30 am [VOTE: deviled eggs] aubergine

I think that was already claimed.

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:53 am Imo eod2 creature and wilgy looked very towny. Jjj didnt got there, and lynched town twice. Also Sean usually looks better with his votes.

Which votes of mine do you have an issue with?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:55 am [VOTE: Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream] aubergine

*throws subtle shade re: No flint/wood*

*avoids flint/wood*

Uh huh...

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:32 am Morning.

I missed out on half the items.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:47 pm [VOTE: Tooth Trap] aubergine

Well isn't this grand.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:55 pm [VOTE: Rico] aubergine

Dude's been a wagon every day, and it gets outvoted at EoD. I gotta look back at Scotty/Vivax and Creature/Wilgy wagons.

If you wouldn't wagon me for one 8am catchup post that took an hour to write and had the "it's a sprawling catchup post you guys" disclaimer right in the first paragraph and had some (less or more minor) impressions out of which I never intended or claimed or beat my chest to obtain and provied full reads but you so demanded at every step that I was supposed to have obtained and provided full reads and if two-three players wouldn't have jumped on your wagon each time, with even less substantiated demands than yours (or just sheeping you), I wouldn't be a wagon every day.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:00 pm I’m gonna review every single association left in this game

What's this association thingy you are trying to do? It's Day 3 and there is no mafia/3p flip, what's to associate?

You know, I believe that you actually think your sprawling post is NAI... and the fact that you feel caught for the wrong reasons is dripping out of the seams here.

Okay, so it looks like Zenon and Meatbaby weren't around close enough to EoD for them to see the Vengeful!Creature thing, but Porscha and Lime were.

In honor of Wilgy, I'll do color-coded wagons from D1 and D2.

D1:
Vivax (6) -Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, RondoDimBuckle, Zenon, tutuu, Lime Coke, MartinGG99
Scotty (5) - Ricochet, DrWilgy, Vivax, die_meatbaby, falcon45ca
DrWilgy (1) - Voters: Scotty
MartinGG99 (1) - Voters: S~V~S
Ricochet (1) - Voters: Seanzie
Seanzie (1) - Voters: Creature
tutuu (1) - Voters: motobot




D2:
Creature (6) - Voters: Zenon, DrWilgy, die_meatbaby, Porscha, Creature, Lime Coke
DrWilgy (3) - JaggedJimmyJay, tutuu, Seanzie
Lime Coke (2) - Ricochet, motobot
motobot (2) - Voters: Belzy, MartinGG99
Zenon (1) - Voters: falcon45ca

It looks like Scotty went over D1 by a combination of having missing food and being voted by Wilgy.

I think people on the Creature wagon probably look better for being there, but I have to check if all of them were active close to EoD. As of right now, that kind of makes me think that the D2 Lime wagon that showed up pretty late was possibly pushed to save Rico. I don't remember who else was on lime, but I know through Moto's double-vote and Lime having -1 from a food item, it was up to 5 or 6 at some point, and it seemed like I was the only one who cared about the fact that vote shenanigans made that wagon WAYYY more viable than it looked at the time. I think Rico/Moto makes a lot of sense, trying to get Lime out, but then getting stuck there after Creature claimed vengeful.

Day 1 Vivax wagon likely has at least one scum on it. Zenon and Jay could make sense as Rico's partner, Rondo is a bit of a wildcard, while Lime and Martin have felt good. I think I'm most curious to hear from Rondo today about D2, and look into Jay more.

The original game was 18 people? That means something like 14/4 or 14/3/1 or 13/3/1/1 I'd guess. With 6 town down, we're looking at 8/4, 8/3/1 or 7/3/1/1. This means we've possibly got only one more miselim left (which feels crazy, but I think the math is right), unless we get lucky with night actions, but at this point I'm not counting on that.

[VOTE: Rico] aubergine

Dude's been a wagon every day, and it gets outvoted at EoD. I gotta look back at Scotty/Vivax and Creature/Wilgy wagons.