The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 11:43 pm @Seanzie there you go!

Much appreciated!

I feel so much better about my own dating history now :P

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 11:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 11:20 pm Well done wolf team. Wilgy I was there on, but Guillo had me fooled. GG everyone!

Please don't tunnel me next time because of this game

no promises.

@JaggedJimmyJay I expect the full stories for all your first dates (the 5 remaining players

Well done wolf team. Wilgy I was there on, but Guillo had me fooled. GG everyone!

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:52 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:50 pm What are you guys doing?

Zenon IMO has not actually tried to find me at all. I've tried to reach out to them, but they deflect or find ways to talk past me (at least it feels like it to me).

Also, normally Zenon is uncertain about her scumreads, but here she seems just dead-set on pushing who she wants to push, and shows no hesitation.

I don't have any reason to townread her. Volume? Nah. AtE? Nah. Self-voting? No.

I don't think her reads are good, and if I'm wrong I'd rather know sooner. She actually isn't a bad flip here IMO, even though I do kinda doubt she'll go over.

It's really frustrating to be told this when I'm trying

Sorry I don't understand you

I don't want to frustrate you, so sorry for that, but I am allowed to have opinions about your play that lead make to make conclusions about your alignment.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:56 pm so people who had or have Rem/Robyn teams

explain why it's +EV for both wolves to miss EOD, in 5 minutes or less

I don't think that's necessarily the team, but not showing up to EoD is almost always either NAI or caused by wolves afraid to upset the balance or out themselves. This isn't a +EV or -EV thing (with the exception that sometimes it is actually strategic for wolves to miss EoD)

I figured it out.

Y'all a bunch of scummies. Jay isn't actually willing to admit it was his fault for any of the dates.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:05 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:46 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:35 pm @Zenon

You dont want rem or robyn and i dont want Seanzie.

Say we both agree to compromise in another slot outside of those three.

Whom would be your pick?

Pyxxys town


I'm fine with any of the others my order if preference is

Wilgy > Epi > Falc

Talk to me about those reads plz

Care to join me on WIlgy?

I'm just not feeling Wilgy as Maf here...what are you seeing that I don't?

I'm still kinda stuck on the reason he gave to scumread me (he said he townread me, but Cape scumread me, and tutuu said sheep Zenon and Zenon was voting me. Cape did not actually take a strong stance on me, voting me in the same post saying they didn't feel good about the vote, then moving their vote 3 minutes later), and then how he seems to be exactly doing what he needs to in order to survive, while not doing much else.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:50 pm What are you guys doing?

Zenon IMO has not actually tried to find me at all. I've tried to reach out to them, but they deflect or find ways to talk past me (at least it feels like it to me).

Also, normally Zenon is uncertain about her scumreads, but here she seems just dead-set on pushing who she wants to push, and shows no hesitation.

I don't have any reason to townread her. Volume? Nah. AtE? Nah. Self-voting? No.

I don't think her reads are good, and if I'm wrong I'd rather know sooner. She actually isn't a bad flip here IMO, even though I do kinda doubt she'll go over.

There, now I've officially sussed everyone except Falcon today.

[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

I have a feeling this is going to cause me to go over today, but meh.

Is it bad that I kinda want to vote Zenon?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:29 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:18 pm If it's really best for me to be removed from PoE:

Legacy
Falcon, Guillo, Pyx, Zenon town

Seanzie seems like frustrated town

Epi doesn't seem in likeness to W meta

Robyn and Rem seem wolfy but Zenon says no so w/e.

And I only say this because it seems a lot of people I tr just think I'm wolf, so this must be the way.

So right now your best guess at a wolf team is Robyn/Rem? Or something else?

I'd think at least one in Robyn/Rem. The team works, but is Zenon really wrong in both? Probably not.

The teammate would be some area where I have misread. I.e. epi actually being in scum range or your frustrated wolf looks just like frustrated town.

I'd say possibly wrong on you/epi then Guillo/Pyxxy but I really don't think I'm wrong in Falc/Zenon

Is there any reason you seem to want Robyn a lot more than Rem?

I've seen more Zenon/Rem interactions than Zenon/Robyn, makes me trust one read just slightly more.

Plus Robyn just not being here makes me feel better voting the slot.

How are you so confident on Zenon!town?

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:36 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:15 pm Yeah, wow. When voting Wilgy the knot in my stomach doesn't feel so bad.

That's a good sign.

Like idk, today has kinda shattered my confidence in this whole game, but everything was feeling just way off, and this feels way better.

I don't know why confidence needs to be shattered

I don't know why everyone this game feels like they need to tear everything down and make everything so gloomy doomy.

You literally came in here calling the threadstate trash, blaming me for it. Then this.

No.

Please step back and consider my perspective for just a little bit here.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:32 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:59 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:47 pm Zenon, how come you were 100% spot on about Rem being town in those games you linked.

What is the secret?

I read games weird. I read and pick up on things nobody else does and than get told I'm stupid and I'm wrong and I am reading things that are meaningless when I talk about them and than I get ignored and than those people flip town and people look at me and try to explain away my success.

Mac is one of the only players who has accurately pinpointed that I read things it looks like tmi it makes no sense but I have high accuracy.

So what is it? I read around intent, emotion, vibes, whatever I have explained this I have explained that I believe that Rems vibes were pure that she was not lying about being disappointed with her rand and this game until seeing me.

That is how I read the game. And than I try to look at things and go does this make sense as wolf? Does it make sense as town?

Why why not what makes more sense


My read accuracy on town reads is >rand I'm not 100% nobody is but I will always believe in my town reads.

Ok i believe you but again you must understand that to get other townies on board of what tou believe, you must show evidence that Rem is town.
Vibes are not gonna cut it, they are only good for post game bragging “yeeeeeah i was right about so and so”, we've all done it, im a cred hog myself but to get town behind you, you must show us what you see, quotes, posts etc.

I've said what I can say I've tried to convince. I don't build giant cases I don't iso but I've explained my reasons they are there to judge and decide.

Your ISO is 8 pages. It makes it unreasonably hard to find anything in there. It isn't unreasonable for links to previous posts or a tldr in that case.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:18 pm If it's really best for me to be removed from PoE:

Legacy
Falcon, Guillo, Pyx, Zenon town

Seanzie seems like frustrated town

Epi doesn't seem in likeness to W meta

Robyn and Rem seem wolfy but Zenon says no so w/e.

And I only say this because it seems a lot of people I tr just think I'm wolf, so this must be the way.

So right now your best guess at a wolf team is Robyn/Rem? Or something else?

I'd think at least one in Robyn/Rem. The team works, but is Zenon really wrong in both? Probably not.

The teammate would be some area where I have misread. I.e. epi actually being in scum range or your frustrated wolf looks just like frustrated town.

I'd say possibly wrong on you/epi then Guillo/Pyxxy but I really don't think I'm wrong in Falc/Zenon

Is there any reason you seem to want Robyn a lot more than Rem?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:28 pm Wilgy is primed to snipe btw. They have full-say on wagons as it stands right now (unless Rem comes back).

Eh, snipe is a little unfair. Wilgy can just self-pres and survive is my point.

Wilgy is primed to snipe btw. They have full-say on wagons as it stands right now (unless Rem comes back).

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:18 pm If it's really best for me to be removed from PoE:

Legacy
Falcon, Guillo, Pyx, Zenon town

Seanzie seems like frustrated town

Epi doesn't seem in likeness to W meta

Robyn and Rem seem wolfy but Zenon says no so w/e.

And I only say this because it seems a lot of people I tr just think I'm wolf, so this must be the way.

So right now your best guess at a wolf team is Robyn/Rem? Or something else?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:15 pm Yeah, wow. When voting Wilgy the knot in my stomach doesn't feel so bad.

That's a good sign.

Like idk, today has kinda shattered my confidence in this whole game, but everything was feeling just way off, and this feels way better.

Yeah, wow. When voting Wilgy the knot in my stomach doesn't feel so bad.

That's a good sign.

@Rem vote Wilgy

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:05 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:46 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:35 pm @Zenon

You dont want rem or robyn and i dont want Seanzie.

Say we both agree to compromise in another slot outside of those three.

Whom would be your pick?

Pyxxys town


I'm fine with any of the others my order if preference is

Wilgy > Epi > Falc

Talk to me about those reads plz

Care to join me on WIlgy?

@Zenon @Guillotine care for a Wilgy wagon?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:08 pmNice try.

What do you think of WIlgy?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:07 pm Bruh! Im voting with Wilgy

I would still vote Wilgy

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:54 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:39 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:38 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:19 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:16 pm

I'm not reevaluating I'm right

I don't believe you believe this.

You know for a fucking fact I believe this

You don't have confidence in your scumreads, you've never caught me as wolf, and yet you confidently think I'm scum now?

That's not what I was saying I wouldn't reeval lom

I don't believe you believe you're right. That's what I was saying.

I do believe I'm right

Robyn is town
Rem is town

I believe that and I will not reeval

I am trying to talk to you and I feel like you are trying your best to deliberately misunderstand me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:43 pm My worldview was a lot simpler when I just thought Epi was wolfing.

They did make me feel distinctly different than when I've seen them wolf in the past though.

Does anyone have strong feelings about Epi one way or the other?

Can you eyeball turtles and let me know what what you think re my meta call?

While I see t epi, I ack that that read is about as substantiated as my Rem/Robyn reads.

With Pyx town telling and Zenon petitioning, I'm questioning where I am wrong.

He comes out the game in Turtles being a lot chummier than he was here, but the short, snappy one-liners about people that can be interpreted in multiple ways does kinda appear in both (this isn't the best way to describe it, but meh). Idk I'm not confident, but it did feel like he did the bare-minimum today to get me off his back, and then dipped, and yesterday I was pretty confident he was wolf when interacting with him, and I trust my previous-self to a reasonable degree.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:39 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:38 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:19 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:16 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:51 am @pyxxy @Zenon I suggest you re-eval. My D1 I think a careful reader can clearly tell I believed my pushes. Today, I believe I have been the person who is most trying to solve the game and find a cohesive worldview. There have been no actual points against me made by anyone that I am aware of (correct me if I'm wrong). Aside from possible tinfoil, there is no reason to vote me here.

I'm not reevaluating I'm right

I don't believe you believe this.

You know for a fucking fact I believe this

You don't have confidence in your scumreads, you've never caught me as wolf, and yet you confidently think I'm scum now?

That's not what I was saying I wouldn't reeval lom

I don't believe you believe you're right. That's what I was saying.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:29 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:18 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:05 am [VOTE: sean] aubergine

No.

Look at the gamestate. I am clearly the one most pushing the game forward at this point.

Zenon and Rem are just fluff after fluff. Robyn is afk. Wilgy has been afk until I started pushing on them. Guillo and Epi have done some stuff. Pyxxy has done nothing.

No.

If you all actually vote me out here (and it is going that way, but it shouldn't be), like... I don't even know what to say.

Literally the one person hardpushing for ACTUAL SOLVING, and the one person ACTUALLY QUESTIONING PEOPLE ON THEIR READS... yup. Vote them off.

I have solves you just don't like them because they don't fit your blatant agenda.

This game is not going to be a win following you because you are wrong. This thread state is atrocious. I'm not caught up but I doubt my reads change so the fact my top 2 towns are the only viable wagons in this game right now is atrocious it means wolfs are controlling the thread and I think it very well could be you. Your pushing easy town misexes and using your activity to push people off you. I think your powerwolf.

I have reads. I have content. I've done stuff to help this game you just don't like it because I was stopping your Rem misexe.

ONE PERSON ONE PERSON HAS BEEN TRYING TO FIX THAT ALL DAY. ONE PERSON

I've been yelling, kicking, screaming at the thread all day trying to find good wagons. You weren't around when Wilgy was a possible wagon. You blaming the current wagons on others when you weren't doing anything to make any good wagons show up all day is not fair.

Nah. I have worked harder today than anyone else. No. I'm not even going to respond to this. I don't even want damn Robyn, it's just the best that the thread is giving me right this second, and you aren't even caught up enough to know and calling this? No. Get out of here.

1. Bull nobody has tried to fix this the wagons have been stagnated all day. People are only pushing people for weak reasons because me and Rem talked in the thread. There is no attempt to change this

2. Have you? Seems to me you've just pushed Rem I defended Rem you told me I was wrong and kept pushing Rem you moved to Wilgy a bit than back to Rem than decided to find scum games which support me but kept pushing Rem until you decided to start being worried about the flip now and your before EoD because the blood is about to be on your hands and people are starting to push back against you

3. Everyone has tried today except maaaaaybe robyn cause she hasn't posted but I know why that is and believe robyn is town for a million reasons

I've put in effort I've found town people just don't fucking like the town I've found.

What? This morning I was a wagon, then it was Epi v Guillo, Wilgy was a wagon for a while, Rem disappeared and reappeared. I reappeared, Robyn just showed up, there's a push to bring Guillo back. Are you even following D2? wtf is this?

I started the day pushing Epi actually, then Pyxxy, then moved to Rem, then backed off and moved to Wilgy, while also trying to drum up more participation from people not participating. The scum game didn't "support you", it just removed a single point against Rem. They still aren't showing the type of nuanced solviness they did in those town games, and didn't in the scum games. Also, why is your ONLY focus about Rem? You are ignoring the other 6 slots in this game completely, for what? Because I don't see any reason why you'd expect one person to have THAT MUCH progression on the one slot you care about, and not see them as town unless they have no progression elsewhere (guess what?).

My worldview was a lot simpler when I just thought Epi was wolfing.

They did make me feel distinctly different than when I've seen them wolf in the past though.

Does anyone have strong feelings about Epi one way or the other?

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:38 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:19 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:16 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:51 am @pyxxy @Zenon I suggest you re-eval. My D1 I think a careful reader can clearly tell I believed my pushes. Today, I believe I have been the person who is most trying to solve the game and find a cohesive worldview. There have been no actual points against me made by anyone that I am aware of (correct me if I'm wrong). Aside from possible tinfoil, there is no reason to vote me here.

I'm not reevaluating I'm right

I don't believe you believe this.

You know for a fucking fact I believe this

You don't have confidence in your scumreads, you've never caught me as wolf, and yet you confidently think I'm scum now?

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm I mean, Robyn could be with anyone at this point, but yeah... the more I think about it, the more I don't like Pyxxy's Robyn stuff today.

Pyxxy posted a vote on Robyn with "look a distraction".

Didn't mention them again until Pyxxy put Seanzie, Epi, Robyn as PoE.

When asked "why Robyn?" their response was "why not?"

then declared Robyn spewed town by the thread.

So are you calling Robyn a wolf?

Pyxxy a wolf?

I don't understand the conclusion I'm to draw here

But I do understand that you've basically scum read or shaded like at least 50% of this game today

Why?

Literally my town meta.

I ALSO don't understand. I have been trying to figure out a good worldview all day, but it is make excessively hard with people like you and Rem being AFK unless you're chatting about stuff not related to the game (I know you do give some reads, but you gotta understand your post-overload makes it 1,000 times harder for people to sort through it all to find anything). Epi has been full-on AFK for almost all day. Wilgy looks like a wolf, but at least they're participating. Falcon only stopped in for a little while. Pyxxy seems reasonable right now, but they do kinda look like they're TMIing so they're hard to trust. Who else am I even missing?

I've been working my ass off to try to find scum today. That's why I've been throwing around scum reads. Seeing what makes sense, and what people respond to, but TONS OF PEOPLE haven't been around, or have just REFUSED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, and it makes it impossible to do anything productive in thread.

THAT ISN'T me. Don't blame me for this threadstate. I am trying to help. Can't be done alone.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:26 pm @Seanzie idk if I missed it, but why Robyn over Rem?

I found a wolf game from Rem, and looking that over really shook the confidence on that read. I still think they're closer to wolf than town, but their ISO here is just plain different from both their normal wolf and town ISOs, so it makes it hard to judge. Zenon/Rem is a pair that I feel like kinda has to be broken by the end of the game if we don't get a wolf flip, but I have been trying to trust Zenon at least a little, and giving Rem a bit more of a pass (even though them refusing to answer questions, not giving wolf games, etc, are all play that I think are objectively bad, and should not be rewarded, but that is outside the scope of this single game).

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:18 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:05 am [VOTE: sean] aubergine

No.

Look at the gamestate. I am clearly the one most pushing the game forward at this point.

Zenon and Rem are just fluff after fluff. Robyn is afk. Wilgy has been afk until I started pushing on them. Guillo and Epi have done some stuff. Pyxxy has done nothing.

No.

If you all actually vote me out here (and it is going that way, but it shouldn't be), like... I don't even know what to say.

Literally the one person hardpushing for ACTUAL SOLVING, and the one person ACTUALLY QUESTIONING PEOPLE ON THEIR READS... yup. Vote them off.

I have solves you just don't like them because they don't fit your blatant agenda.

This game is not going to be a win following you because you are wrong. This thread state is atrocious. I'm not caught up but I doubt my reads change so the fact my top 2 towns are the only viable wagons in this game right now is atrocious it means wolfs are controlling the thread and I think it very well could be you. Your pushing easy town misexes and using your activity to push people off you. I think your powerwolf.

I have reads. I have content. I've done stuff to help this game you just don't like it because I was stopping your Rem misexe.

ONE PERSON ONE PERSON HAS BEEN TRYING TO FIX THAT ALL DAY. ONE PERSON

I've been yelling, kicking, screaming at the thread all day trying to find good wagons. You weren't around when Wilgy was a possible wagon. You blaming the current wagons on others when you weren't doing anything to make any good wagons show up all day is not fair.

Nah. I have worked harder today than anyone else. No. I'm not even going to respond to this. I don't even want damn Robyn, it's just the best that the thread is giving me right this second, and you aren't even caught up enough to know and calling this? No. Get out of here.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:16 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:51 am @pyxxy @Zenon I suggest you re-eval. My D1 I think a careful reader can clearly tell I believed my pushes. Today, I believe I have been the person who is most trying to solve the game and find a cohesive worldview. There have been no actual points against me made by anyone that I am aware of (correct me if I'm wrong). Aside from possible tinfoil, there is no reason to vote me here.

I'm not reevaluating I'm right

I don't believe you believe this.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:36 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:01 pm We've got 3 hours. I'm not doomering yet.

100% agree that Robyn disappearing doesn't earn a shield. It's that people were not seriously discussing Robyn until now, the last quarter or so of the phase.

And it's not with "oh we chop Robyn, we then have a POE of X Y and Z to win the game bc association analysis".

You've done the most out of anyone. You've suggested Pyxxy/Robyn. But if that's true, then you should always chop me because I've actually been interacting and posting today.

Robyn and I are sort of opposites in posting numbers, D1 compared to D2. The more recent day will always be fresher. You could make a case for me knowing that Robyn would be afk or that I'm reacting out of anxiety about Robyn slanking / not working with me in scum chat, or something like that.

In which case. You should always chop me first. Because flipping Robyn on a day lacking in cases against Robyn + basically nothing gained from a town!Robyn flip.

If Robyn slanks again tomorrow, kill'em dead. But not today.

1. I suggested you two could be teamed, but Robyn could be teamed with anyone at this point, which is why IMO they aren't a bad chop.

2. We have two miselims left. waiting to chop slots that aren't contributing like you're suggesting only works for so long. If we miss today and Robyn is town, that sends us to F5, which is bad.

3. The gain from a town!Robyn flip is removing a slot that is not showing signs of coming closer to being socially resolved. The detriment of not flipping Robyn is that we only have so many elims, and while Robyn is the worst offender from today, there are a lot of slots that IMO are not contributing the content required to suss out the wolves in time.

1. That's focusing entirely on all of the upside if Robyn flips scum. But you also are saying that Robyn could be with anyone. That also means that chopping Robyn clears.....no one. So how is it a good chop?

2. Wait. So in point #1, you were preflipping Robyn as scum. But in this point, you're preflipping Robyn as town?

You can only have one argument. Stick with #1 or #2. Can't have both.

3. But flipping town Robyn doesn't get us zip. Zero. Zilch. As opposed to flipping literally anyone else, myself included, where solving can be done and associations can be made tomorrow.

1. No, it isn't focusing entirely on upsides, it is playing a game of probabilities, while trying to limit the potential worlds. Someone that fits with anyone from a purely associative standpoint has a higher chance of flipping scum (if all you have is associative data), and IF there are people alive that fit with everyone, it become almost impossible to narrow down scum since you don't know if you should be looing for associations between those posting. Flipping a slot that could be teamed with anyone while still having enough time to do another info flip is good since it reduces the number of potential teams to consider by the highest amount possible, regardless of their flip.

2. No, I'm not preflipping anyone at any moment, I'm considering probabilities. I'm sorry if you don't get it, but I have to SIMULTANEOUSLY consider the chance of Robyn being town and scum since I don't know, and so in 2. I'm doing a worst-case analysis of what can happen if we listen to you. This does not preflip anything, just considers the worst possible outcome.

3. I'm sorry, you and I clearly think about this game differently if you are in earnest here. Removing a slot that you don't have confidence can resolve naturally is a benefit regardless of their alignment (that benefit it sometimes overshadowed by the potential benefits of flipping another slot though).

Nothing feels good to me, I don't want to be voting with Wilgy, but honestly this is probably the best flip today, at least based on how I'm currently feeling.

ugh

@DrWilgy @Rem @Guillotine @robyn

All of you are either voting yourself, on a vanity wagon, or not voting. This is not a good spread with only a few hours left in the day.

Can we try to consolidate? If not, I'll be moving to Rem, but I wouldn't mind a second good option.

I am not feeling super confident on the Rem wagon right now, but all other wagons are vanity wagons. I don't like this.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:01 pm We've got 3 hours. I'm not doomering yet.

100% agree that Robyn disappearing doesn't earn a shield. It's that people were not seriously discussing Robyn until now, the last quarter or so of the phase.

And it's not with "oh we chop Robyn, we then have a POE of X Y and Z to win the game bc association analysis".

You've done the most out of anyone. You've suggested Pyxxy/Robyn. But if that's true, then you should always chop me because I've actually been interacting and posting today.

Robyn and I are sort of opposites in posting numbers, D1 compared to D2. The more recent day will always be fresher. You could make a case for me knowing that Robyn would be afk or that I'm reacting out of anxiety about Robyn slanking / not working with me in scum chat, or something like that.

In which case. You should always chop me first. Because flipping Robyn on a day lacking in cases against Robyn + basically nothing gained from a town!Robyn flip.

If Robyn slanks again tomorrow, kill'em dead. But not today.

1. I suggested you two could be teamed, but Robyn could be teamed with anyone at this point, which is why IMO they aren't a bad chop.

2. We have two miselims left. waiting to chop slots that aren't contributing like you're suggesting only works for so long. If we miss today and Robyn is town, that sends us to F5, which is bad.

3. The gain from a town!Robyn flip is removing a slot that is not showing signs of coming closer to being socially resolved. The detriment of not flipping Robyn is that we only have so many elims, and while Robyn is the worst offender from today, there are a lot of slots that IMO are not contributing the content required to suss out the wolves in time.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:50 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:41 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm no one wanted to actually stake an opinion on Robyn by me for scumreading the slank and Zenon for townreading the vibes

but now that EOD is close, oh, now we're cool with getting all spooky and scary about a slanker

Robyn should never get chopped today. Period.

Robyn hasn't been a topic of discussion only because Robyn hasn't been around (and others haven't been around, so they haven't stood out as not being around).

I disagree

I think people could have talked about Robyn, but didn't, besides me and Zenon and okay also a bit of Rem

and only now near EOD does Robyn become a topic again? when it's easiest to create fear of slankers?

I am denying that discussion. Robyn should never get chopped today.

I @'ed Robyn at least twice today to bring them into the folds of discussion. They didn't come.

People could have talked about Robyn, but people talk about topics in front of them. Being afk all day is not something that deserves a shield.

Also FTR, I don't even really want a Robyn wagon right now (even though it would be far from the worst), but taking it off the table seems silly.

I think with Wilgy and Rem's votes where they are, this is going to be a bad EoD. We should try to consolidate votes. I am okay with Wilgy and/or Rem as wagons.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:41 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm no one wanted to actually stake an opinion on Robyn by me for scumreading the slank and Zenon for townreading the vibes

but now that EOD is close, oh, now we're cool with getting all spooky and scary about a slanker

Robyn should never get chopped today. Period.

Robyn hasn't been a topic of discussion only because Robyn hasn't been around (and others haven't been around, so they haven't stood out as not being around).

I disagree

I think people could have talked about Robyn, but didn't, besides me and Zenon and okay also a bit of Rem

and only now near EOD does Robyn become a topic again? when it's easiest to create fear of slankers?

I am denying that discussion. Robyn should never get chopped today.

I @'ed Robyn at least twice today to bring them into the folds of discussion. They didn't come.

People could have talked about Robyn, but people talk about topics in front of them. Being afk all day is not something that deserves a shield.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm no one wanted to actually stake an opinion on Robyn by me for scumreading the slank and Zenon for townreading the vibes

but now that EOD is close, oh, now we're cool with getting all spooky and scary about a slanker

Robyn should never get chopped today. Period.

Robyn hasn't been a topic of discussion only because Robyn hasn't been around (and others haven't been around, so they haven't stood out as not being around).