The Syndicate

Woo! Well done everyone! Good game! Always exciting seeing a game get down to F3.

Well, it looks like enough votes are locked that I am dead.

Rico/Dizzy. Maybe Thun. Maybe Syn.

Good luck everyone.

I would do Dizzy or Rico.

I really think we just do Rico here. I know I know a 1-poster blah blah blah. Whatever. IMO it is the best move right now.

Thread has strong no-one-knows-what-the-f-is-going-on vibes. I have about 1.1 wolves worth of total suspicion on the 10 people actually playing today (where normally with 2 wolves, I would have like 3.5 wolves worth of total suspicion floating around because I suspect everyone and everything). This suggests one of two things:

1.) Mafia is not controlling the thread, but we are looking for 2 wolves in a pool of 11 that only contains 1, thus Rico is mafia,

or

2.) Dizzy is mafia.

Maybe Thunal...

Yeah, I'd go Thunal.

I uhh... kinda think we just take out Rico here?

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:52 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:49 am
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:40 am LC (2): Falcon, Nutella
Seanzie (1): LC
Thunal (1): Epi

Hasn't Voted: Dizzy, Marmot, Rico, Scotty, Seanzie, SVS, Syn, Thunal

I am willing to accept LC's shield of Thunal and Dizzy for now

Which basically means we can vote between:

Marmot
Nutella
Rico
Scotty
Seanzie
SVS
Syn

and we need to have at least 3 votes on one of those names by EOD.
You offer a large palate of names. Do you have any preferences among the 7?
not being able to vote thunal kinda sucks ngl

I want the people who sus you to tell me why you're bad. I was town-reading the contrarianism earlier

You wolf like I do. Fun.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:40 am LC (2): Falcon, Nutella
Seanzie (1): LC
Thunal (1): Epi

Hasn't Voted: Dizzy, Marmot, Rico, Scotty, Seanzie, SVS, Syn, Thunal

I am willing to accept LC's shield of Thunal and Dizzy for now

Which basically means we can vote between:

Marmot
Nutella
Rico
Scotty
Seanzie
SVS
Syn

and we need to have at least 3 votes on one of those names by EOD.

You offer a large palate of names. Do you have any preferences among the 7?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:23 am Okay then I'll just target you during the night phase and whether or not my PR mate wants you to die is up to them.

I almost wrote: "As someone whom may be the "you" in this statement, can you clarify..."

But then I read.

Lime, you are crucial. You need to name someone by EoD as marked.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:18 am Lol lame. Next time just be towny instead of outing.

I wouldn't mind Epi getting some heat since he's just chosen to be annoying as well.

I'd flip this.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:28 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:17 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:49 am Marmot
Scotty

Epignosis

Thunal

SVS

Dyslexicon
Rico
Kate
Falcon

Syn

Nutella
Why is Epi that high and Syn that low?
I believe that Epi accidentally vote-locked, and IMO if that is true, it likely means town!Epi. It could have been faked, but I just don't see it.

I got the jeebeist of all the heebies from their recent rainbow list, and I don't really believe their push on you/Scotty, and aside from that they've done nothing of merit.
I don't see why accidentally vote locking means town Epi. Scum Epi could forget the rules too.

This post makes me suspect Thunal.

Nothing?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:00 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:59 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:43 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:22 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:19 am I mean if Nutella is going to just tunnel me and refuse to try to find me as town, I'm more than happy sitting back and letting her die.

She needs to learn her lesson.

This is the single-most-wofiest-post I've ever seen.
Vote me then.

What do you think of my Nutella read?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:43 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:22 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:19 am I mean if Nutella is going to just tunnel me and refuse to try to find me as town, I'm more than happy sitting back and letting her die.

She needs to learn her lesson.

This is the single-most-wofiest-post I've ever seen.

@Lime Coke final chance.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:09 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:56 pm Talk to me about your incorrect read on my slot
It isn't a read at all. Give me something to read (not moby dick)

Well, I have explained my SVS read, and I thought you and I were on the same page re: LC

Dizzy is carefree, yet also tunneled Marmot, and has not interacted w/ Marmot much since that I've seen, and doesn't seem interested in re-evaluating

I'm side eyeing Sean right now...lynching me D1 is sub-optimal, and he knows that

@falcon45ca using outdated meta in a way that I think just confirms my suspicions.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:54 pm Jesus, I've caught up.

Dyslexicon is my top suspect and I'd vote there if I had the means.

Can you elaborate on Dizzy?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:52 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:07 pm I'm fine voting LC, Dizzy, SVS
You’ve already voted for Kate, bucko.

Go ahead and put your little talons on Kate in the poll

Wilgy has yet to confirm if my vote actually is locked, as I only did it ITT.

You seem anxious to get my vote locked tho, why is that?

I like to collect old video games. One of my favorites is called "Knights of the Round". In it is an enemy "bad Falcon".

I'm thinking about voting @Thunal33.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:01 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:51 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:42 am Now that Sean has left, I do think Scotty's townie.

I think his observation on Epi is the towniest thing in the thread thus far. For a bit, I thought his posts fell into the "posting performatively for the sake of it" camp, but his observation on Epi was pretty insightful and while I think he could match the tone as a wolf there, I don't think he would necessarily match the reasoning there is a wolf.

Scotty town.
My posts are always performative. I’m an actor

Q: do you think Epignosis would, as mafia, make such a flagrant error as to come in with big steel balls having not read the rules and then announcing that he is a ‘moron’?
Was it an error?

Was it?

@Ricochet Hello

@Lime Coke Hello

I'd vote Falcon.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:43 pm @Lime Coke what do you think of my townread of you?

@Lime Coke Why you no answer?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:14 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:03 pm @Thunal33 before you disappear into the void could you leave us with your current reads list? Or even just a gun to head list of every player? I’m not sure what you’re thinking from your iso atm

Also I only have 11 posts left
Sure.

Scotty
SVS

Seanzie
Syn
Dizzy

Marmot
LC
Rico
Falcon

Epi
Nutella

Why is Nutella so low? I don't feel like you've talked about them much.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:51 pm I'm pretty firm on my Lime wolfread at this point and I think a lot of other people's opinions today are wacketh.

How do you see their vote on me? I'm willing to listen if you have another take different than mine.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:47 pm What would happen if you mixed scotch with nutella?

Answer:
Spoiler: show
peepeepoopoo

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:44 pm Dizzy might be town actually. I was worried about him thinking people townreading Marmot was bad, but if he's wolf I'm not sure if he'd go that hard on a w!Marmot. I don't think it's a bus, and if Marmot flips town people will naturally look to Dizzy to suspect first. There's not really a need to go that hard this early.

My worry is that Dizzy seemed to uncomfortably partially-pivot on Marmot after I full 180'd on Marmot. Scum!Dizzy could have been hoping I would tunnel Marmot and then I would take the fall for a town!Marmot flip, and then had to pivot when that wasn't going to happen any more. I know, this read is very me-centric, but I am kinda so good at this game that Carly Simon wrote a song about me.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:21 pm It worries me that Nutella focused so much on defending why Marmot wasn't her partner. It feels like she's caught for the wrong reasons.

I am a little worried that you're parroting me.

One time Kito called me out on this exact thing. I was a wolf, and I think he was pushing a me/Gnome team, and I got indignant about how clearly I wasn't teamed with Gnome, trying to get him to drop his sus on me. He just saw right though me and knew that what I was saying was "I'm not wolf WITH GNOME" not "I'm not wolf".

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:59 pm Sean’s progression on marmot is questionable:
Spoiler: show
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:19 am I'm 95% to a Marmot vote.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:38 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:24 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:19 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:18 am

I don't have an argument for v!Scotty, why are you asking me?
You asked me, but didn't care enough to notice I didn't answer.

Fair enough.

Do you feel like answering now?
Not really, but less because of a strategic reason and more because on reflection I don't see whatever it was I was seeing earlier.

Why do you feel like a "fair maiden" being fair enough all the time?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:49 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:45 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:38 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:24 am

Fair enough.

Do you feel like answering now?
Not really, but less because of a strategic reason and more because on reflection I don't see whatever it was I was seeing earlier.

Why do you feel like a "fair maiden" being fair enough all the time?

From my POV, I didn't really feel the need in continuing to one-up in a back-and-forth. You made a good point. I acknowledged it. While I did consider a snarky retort, it didn't feel productive.
That sounds great, but at this point it is a pattern.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:30 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:16 am Can @Seanzie or @Dyslexicon explain why they scumread Marmot? Because after his recent posts I'm not seeing it. I'm nodding along to a lot of what he said, like townreading Scotty for the observation and initially being skeptical of Epi thinking votes were locked.
Oh, I don't anymore.

I originally did because he seemed like an eager beav... marmot.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:49 am Marmot
Scotty

Epignosis

Thunal

SVS

Dyslexicon
Rico
Kate
Falcon

Syn

Nutella

-95% convinced he’ll vote marmot
-“upon reflection I don’t see whatever it was I was seeing earlier”
-‘yea yea yea at this point it’s a pattern’
-doesn’t suspect anymore
-locktown

Like, ok. People can make 180’s in short amounts of time. I’ve done it this game.

What’s bugging me is that post in the middle where sean says ‘at this point it’s a pattern’. Because it seems to me that post is still shading marmot but he’s already reflected that he didn’t suspect him for the reason that he thought he did. Then to follow it up with marmot being one of the only ones in the top town tier? Baffling.

@Seanzie , what made marmot a top town and not just your main scum read? Because I feel like it wouldn’t be as binary as you’ve made it
This was about you, not Marmot. Thanks for reminding me about it though. I woke up feeling fine about you this morning, but it does seem like last night I was hesitant, so I'll re-look at your ISO.

I pushed Marmot early on for a weak reason. I purposefully continued to mount pressure towards him to see how he would react. IMO, he reacted completely fine and did not give me "worried" vibes, which makes me think he is just town.
I buy that it was a reaction test.

I mean, to be fair, it was and wasn't a reaction test. I did believe my push on him, but it was more that I was just running with my initial belief, and trying to see if he would wolf!tell. He didn't, and felt good, and my initial read was weak, so town!Marmot looks fine.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:58 pm Why is Dizzy suspecting LC for townreading Marmot? I'm feeling a bit paranoid about him right now.

Is the "him" Dizzy?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:28 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:17 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:49 am Marmot
Scotty

Epignosis

Thunal

SVS

Dyslexicon
Rico
Kate
Falcon

Syn

Nutella
Why is Epi that high and Syn that low?
I believe that Epi accidentally vote-locked, and IMO if that is true, it likely means town!Epi. It could have been faked, but I just don't see it.

I got the jeebeist of all the heebies from their recent rainbow list, and I don't really believe their push on you/Scotty, and aside from that they've done nothing of merit.
I don't see why accidentally vote locking means town Epi. Scum Epi could forget the rules too.

Scum!Epi is more likely to read the first post, and also more likely to have a teammate who reads the first post and says something in wolf chat.

Am I going to bet my life on town!Epi? No. Is it enough for me to not look that way D1? Yeah.

@Lime Coke what do you think of my townread of you?

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:27 pm I'm bored. someone do a flip

Lime Coke flips. He was.... town.

Thinking back on it, I am not as confident as I was earlier about Marmot. Put him somewhere middle of the pack.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:59 pm @Seanzie How is Marmot your strongest town read? What inspires your confidence?

While both you and I were pushing them, they didn't feel uncomfortable or scared when interacting with me.

What would happen if you mixed scotch with nutella?

Ehh... maybe scotty should be even lower.

Marmot

Epignosis
Lime

Thunal
SVS
Scotty

Dyslexicon

Falcon

Rico
Syn

Nutella

Only got one scum read... weird.

I lowkey think Lime voting me here is actually probably a good look for him.

I'm not an easy person to pick a fight with, and I don't really seem scum!Brad choosing me in this situation. A few people have expressed scumreads of me, but meh... still think wolf!Brad doesn't throw his vote away like that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:34 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:31 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:31 pm Lime is town actually

See. I can do it too.
Are you town?
Yes
I 55% believe you.
Why? Do you have any thoughts on me?

Yes. The way you're playing I think would be easy for you to do as a wolf, and someone said you played similar to this in a town-game recently, which makes me suspicious that you're meta-replicating that game.

However, if I look past the paranoia, I kinda feel okay about you, and I agreed with you on Marmot, at least for a little while (and am curious about what you think of my Marmot 180).

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:31 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:31 pm Lime is town actually

See. I can do it too.
Are you town?
Yes

I 55% believe you.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:30 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:21 pm NGL my first decision to yeet someone would be Seanzie.
If I was wolf, I'd have you pocketed by now.
[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Pocket that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:31 pm Lime is town actually

See. I can do it too.

Are you town?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:21 pm NGL my first decision to yeet someone would be Seanzie.

If I was wolf, I'd have you pocketed by now.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:42 pm Ok @Seanzie who's my partner?

Don't know. Not Marmot though.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:04 pm are we really doing "I would never do this as a wolf" defenses on d1

I would never use those defenses D1 as a wolf.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:03 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:30 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:23 pm I think it's rand townie that nutella has so many townleans right off the bat, but why are Rico and I not in that camp?
Why should you be?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:16 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:59 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:30 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:23 pm I think it's rand townie that nutella has so many townleans right off the bat, but why are Rico and I not in that camp?
Why should you be?
You tell me, you're the one who made the read.
You're the one who wanted to be townread.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:19 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:17 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:16 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:59 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:30 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:23 pm I think it's rand townie that nutella has so many townleans right off the bat, but why are Rico and I not in that camp?
Why should you be?
You tell me, you're the one who made the read.
You're the one who wanted to be townread.
I'm asking you why Rico and I aren't in that camp. Sure my name is involved, but I'm interested in how you differentiate the two.
Because.....you....weren't....towny?
This seems circular

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:29 am I don't think continuing this pedantic exchange will allow me to secure a read on you. Talk about something else.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:52 pm Marmot did improve but early stuff was wehhh
Like if you think this is how I interact with a wolf partner in the first 12 hours, uh... I think I probably don't lol. In any case you quoted several marmot posts and called them wolf without directly bringing me up again so yeah dunno where that's coming from.

This is the thing that wolves do when they're like "well yeah, you got me, but you got my partner wrong! Look at how wrong you are! Now drop your sus on me!"

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:43 pm Sean has an agenda methinks. Methinks hard

Also, I should say, I do have an agenda.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:59 pm Sean’s progression on marmot is questionable:
Spoiler: show
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:19 am I'm 95% to a Marmot vote.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:38 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:24 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:19 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:18 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:16 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:05 am

I think it's less consequential in other games and so not really relevant.

But that explanation makes sense, carry on.
You asked a "gotcha" question that "wasn't really relevant" after being pressed? Tell me more.

Also, why is Scotty town?
I don't have an argument for v!Scotty, why are you asking me?
You asked me, but didn't care enough to notice I didn't answer.

Fair enough.

Do you feel like answering now?
Not really, but less because of a strategic reason and more because on reflection I don't see whatever it was I was seeing earlier.

Why do you feel like a "fair maiden" being fair enough all the time?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:49 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:45 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:38 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:24 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:19 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:18 am

I don't have an argument for v!Scotty, why are you asking me?
You asked me, but didn't care enough to notice I didn't answer.

Fair enough.

Do you feel like answering now?
Not really, but less because of a strategic reason and more because on reflection I don't see whatever it was I was seeing earlier.

Why do you feel like a "fair maiden" being fair enough all the time?

From my POV, I didn't really feel the need in continuing to one-up in a back-and-forth. You made a good point. I acknowledged it. While I did consider a snarky retort, it didn't feel productive.
That sounds great, but at this point it is a pattern.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:30 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:16 am Can @Seanzie or @Dyslexicon explain why they scumread Marmot? Because after his recent posts I'm not seeing it. I'm nodding along to a lot of what he said, like townreading Scotty for the observation and initially being skeptical of Epi thinking votes were locked.
Oh, I don't anymore.

I originally did because he seemed like an eager beav... marmot.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:49 am Marmot
Scotty

Epignosis

Thunal

SVS

Dyslexicon
Rico
Kate
Falcon

Syn

Nutella

-95% convinced he’ll vote marmot
-“upon reflection I don’t see whatever it was I was seeing earlier”
-‘yea yea yea at this point it’s a pattern’
-doesn’t suspect anymore
-locktown

Like, ok. People can make 180’s in short amounts of time. I’ve done it this game.

What’s bugging me is that post in the middle where sean says ‘at this point it’s a pattern’. Because it seems to me that post is still shading marmot but he’s already reflected that he didn’t suspect him for the reason that he thought he did. Then to follow it up with marmot being one of the only ones in the top town tier? Baffling.

@Seanzie , what made marmot a top town and not just your main scum read? Because I feel like it wouldn’t be as binary as you’ve made it

This was about you, not Marmot. Thanks for reminding me about it though. I woke up feeling fine about you this morning, but it does seem like last night I was hesitant, so I'll re-look at your ISO.

I pushed Marmot early on for a weak reason. I purposefully continued to mount pressure towards him to see how he would react. IMO, he reacted completely fine and did not give me "worried" vibes, which makes me think he is just town.

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