The Syndicate

Phew! Was sweating a bit at the end there, good job getting the solve @Epignosis.

Good game everyone!

SVS definitely has a rocky start. After getting some early sus, she feels very defensive re:Epi, and LP both pushing her. However, she then kind of folds over and accepts an elim on her over town!Guillo. Rolling over when being the only viable CW to a PR is generally wolfy, but the fact that SVS actually stuck to it, and even when Guillo's wagon was bigger than hers, she kept offering herself up, and instead of self-pressing on Guillo, she voted first Epi and then Cat. Maybe wolf!SVS just didn't expect to survive D1, and didn't want to spew Guillo, but ehh... idk, much easier play is to just claim self-pres and vote Guillo there.

SVS pretty severely drops of D2 and D3 in terms of activity. If this was after a D1 scum flip, I'd say this is a wrap, but I don't see any reason for scum!SVS to be low WIM with how the game has gone, so I'mma say that's probably NAI. I do think the "I'm being framed" more often comes from town than scum as well.

A tornado came close to my house, so I was hunkered down in my bathroom for a while. It is past now, so I am safe. Slowed down my SVS ISO, but I'll finish it now.

ISO MR time (specifcally because he just said he's signing off, and not at all because I'm actually finally done for the day):

He approached D1 with a very detached attitude. At first it felt like comfortable jokiness, but then he made a rather long post that contained some reads, albiet a bit wishwashy, but then continued to seem to not care at all about the elim or the game. He votes SVS because it "feels fine" and because he has no "strong opinon", even though his earlier reads were not positive for SVS, so it did seem he had an opinion. D2 MR also pushes SVS, even though rather subtly. For example, they seemed to want to discount the idea that SVS could've been framed (I actually agree that it isn't common for wolves to make a kill with the express purpose of making sure someone specific would get elim'd, but honestly usually "they're trying to frame me!" is a more townie thought than not, and rebuffing something like that usually only comes from people pushing the person.

D3 though, MR is being pretty solvey. I don't agree on their Epi take, and they again seem to want to discount SVS in ways I find less than charitable, but some of their posts genuinely seem to care about the game (in stark constrast from their D1). My big worry though is that perhaps this is a "home stretch" wolfpush type of care rather than a "we're in a rough spot, gotta put in the work" townie kinda care.

I haven't gotten to SVS yet, but honestly... I almost kinda want to clear them based on not having a viable partner. Epi's early push, and MR's D1 push that would earn no buscred if scum!SVS, along with MR's sustained, but subtle push on SVS make me think neither is aligned with SVS, and while I haven't seen anything specifically unaligning Falcon/SVS, based on just Falcon/Epi/MR, I'd guess Falcon is town with more confidence than the other two. I'm still going to ISO SVS, but right now if I had to guess a team, it'd be Epi/MR.

ISO Falcon time:

Falcon's ISO looks good. He's got those sharp takes that scum!Falcon has a hard time faking. In particular, I believe he believed Cat was strategically sitting on the sidelines, and honestly, I don't see scum!Falcon supporting a LHF Cat wagon over a juicy town!Guillo wagon D1. Today, Falcon is probably the most invested even though I don't see his name being pushed as a likely suspect, so I'mma further chalk that up to being good and actually having time now. Probably won't vote there today.

ISO Epi time:

The team SVS/Epi has been pushed a few times, and at least from Epi's ISO, I don't think this is super likely. Epi comes out strong against SVS very early. I feel like very few wolves actually decide early D1 to just full hellbus (especially in a 10er with 2 wolves - who wants to solo 3 days while dodging "why aren't you dead?" continuously), and instead are more likely to distance, and then if their partner gets sus, switch to bussing. Epi's push on SVS doesn't look like that IMO. I think the early aggression also looks pretty good, but I'm not sure if I actually buy the case against SVS.

Day 2 Epi claims and then pushes Guillo. At the time, the claim felt very good since there wasn't a clear scum motive behind it, and I was definite on the scum!Guillo train, and it was indirect evidence for it. Now though, I am confused about the town motive - @Epignosis what was the point of outing your role on D2 if the "I missed my N1 chance" was a lie? An "I'm now vanilla" claim doesn't exactly bait the NK with other claimed PRs, and it seems like town!Epi would just be setting themselves up for a possible roleblock (mine and LP's powers were proven, and very few scum teams would think we could use them multiple times - whereas Epi was scumreading Guillo, so in a town!Epi scum!Guillo world, scum would use disruptives on Epi's claim even with the claim of no more shots). Then Epi claimed to target SVS today - the person Epi has been hounding all game. Why would SVS carry the shot there? I know Epi did put out a "MR/Guillo" team at EoD2, but after a town!Guillo flip, why wouldn't wolf!SVS assume JK!Epi would revisit previous suspicions? Especially for a SVS/Falcon team, I don't see SVS ever carrying that kill, and even in a SVS/MR team, I think it's a crapshoot at best.

I really struggle to see a line of thinking that makes sense coming from town!Epi. They aren't worried about wolf disruptives, their claim doesn't make a lot of sense, and their claimed target doesn't fit well IMO.

On the idea that scum!Epi is protecting scum!SVS with the JK claim: Ehh... maybe. GTH? Probably not. Don't see Epi's early push on SVS as teamed.

Well, looks like I need to put my big-boy pants on now. And by now, I mean after work today.

*looks at thread*

*nods*

*leaves*

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:25 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:45 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

I was not going to claim alignment cop and actually bait the real alignment cop and actually game throw, same for doctor or other likely standard roles here, the idea was surviving and baiting not to help scum baiting a likely claim.

Parity cop baits any cop. You think a mostly vanilla game would have a parity cop and an alignment cop? Sorry, no.

No it does not, if i was the real cop i check their alignment at night to see if if it someone fosing or a wolf. Duh

They could play the same for an alignment cop claim. It is no different. Your claim doesn't make sense coming from town, but trying to get a pass to D3, then claim a diff check in ELO makes sense for a wolf, especially one that would have gone over D1 if not for the claim.

Then why not claim that my parity check starts at n0, fake a check on night 1 and derail the game completely today?

If you actually intended to bait the NK, you would have claimed a N0 check.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:45 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

I was not going to claim alignment cop and actually bait the real alignment cop and actually game throw, same for doctor or other likely standard roles here, the idea was surviving and baiting not to help scum baiting a likely claim.

Parity cop baits any cop. You think a mostly vanilla game would have a parity cop and an alignment cop? Sorry, no.

No it does not, if i was the real cop i check their alignment at night to see if if it someone fosing or a wolf. Duh

They could play the same for an alignment cop claim. It is no different. Your claim doesn't make sense coming from town, but trying to get a pass to D3, then claim a diff check in ELO makes sense for a wolf, especially one that would have gone over D1 if not for the claim.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:45 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

I was not going to claim alignment cop and actually bait the real alignment cop and actually game throw, same for doctor or other likely standard roles here, the idea was surviving and baiting not to help scum baiting a likely claim.

Parity cop baits any cop. You think a mostly vanilla game would have a parity cop and an alignment cop? Sorry, no.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:29 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:30 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:07 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:56 pm So here's a thought. There is 7 people alive, 4 of which are claiming a Power Role.

We could shoot into the 3 non-Power claims to try and kill a Mafia Goon (At least I highly doubt Mafia would get 2 Power Roles and there be only 2 Town-aligned Power Role). Although this does rely on at least 3 of the Power Role clams to be Town.

How likely does everyone think there would only be 3 Power Roles? Making it so 2 of the claims are real and 2 of the claims are Mafia Goon + Mafia Power Role?

If we do trust there is at least 3 Power Roles for Town in the setup there is statistically a stronger chance of killing a Mafia Goon in S~V~S, MR, and Falcon than shooting one of the Power Roles. It's not foolproof by any means, but an idea.

Most heists I've played have been 2 town PRs with 1 mafia PR, and usually are 13ers or bigger. I know the site recently relaxed the heist standards, so I'm not sure what to expect, but even 4 PRs in a 10er feels weird. Regardless, I'mma vote for who I think is most likely mafia, claims considered.

That's kind of why I was wondering. 4 claims with 2 being unconformable felt a bit weird. Do you think it's possible 2 Mafia are claiming a Power Role right now?

Possible? Yes. Likely? That's harder to tell. I think Guillo is just outed at this point, and if I GTH I'd say you and Epi are probably fine. Epi's claim is just straight up weird if coming from scum - it was completely unnecessary, he was under no heat, his claim is the sort of "bad" that actually looks good, etc. My one issue with Epi is that if he is a disruptive role, it would be a good counter to my own role, but the way he's playing it is... well... If he is mafia here, his claim is working. I've already mentioned my tinfoil of you, but I don't feel the need to chase that with bigger fish out there. I'm noting this though for if Guillo flips wolf.

Yes I am mafia who faked claimed parity cop to live and went to kill the very people that pushed me hard on day 1 to look sus as fuck.

Why wouldn't you fakeclaim to live? Especially since parity cop gives you plausible deniability for surviving N1, and possibly even give you a D2 pass since parity cop would likely self-resolve N2. D3 could be ELO with a D2 miss, so it makes a lot of sense as a fakeclaim.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:22 pm I just think this:

1) A Parity Cop makes next to no sense in this setup.
2) Guillotine doesn't act like a Parity Cop.
3) Guillotine didn't die.

I was not killed to push this.

Look at the kills, Michelle and Wilgy whom both pushed me early day 1 and one of them actually parked on me.
You'd think if I was mafia I wouldn't do the kills that point straight at me, but maybe I suck at mafia now.

Michelle ended on SVS, not you. Sorry, but this makes no sense.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:24 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:59 pm Whp would Guillotine's partner be if they were wolf? I was thinking it had to be Epignosis, but does anyone have meta on Epignosis to know if they tend to bus this hard day 2?

He is obviously not jailkeeper, he is baiting the night kill.

He claimed D1 JK that didn't act, how is this baiting the NK?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:18 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:38 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:59 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:43 pm And if Seanzie is town, it is obvious Seanzie is the vig, who is voting me because i cannot be a pr with him according to his beliefs.

@Seanzie

This is why i townread you yesterday but i dont care about keeping your secret no more! So why did you kill Wilgy if you scum read me yesterday?

Well, looks like the cat's out of the bag.

I don't believe you townread me for that yesterday. I was/am legit busy with the start of the semester, and would have low-posted regardless of my role. I didn't shoot you because I thought it was better to see if you'd self-resolve, and you AtE'd in a way that made me really doubt my read on you. I thought about shooting SVS, but I kinda believed how they were willing to throw themselves under the bus to save a claimed PR. Wilgy OTOH is someone who can snow town single-handedly, and in the world where I was wrong on you, I thought they were most likely wolf.

How did you know I shot Wilgy and not Michelle?

You know I looked at both night kills, saw you were scum reading them both, then just wrote you down as Vigilante lol. I didn't think you'd actually claim it though.

I didn't scumread either yesterday? I only decided on Wilgy after deliberating during night. I didn't feel good about shooting at the obvious choices (Guillo/SVS), so I looked into Wilgy and decided to shoot him.

If this guy is the vig, he is the mafia vig or a serial killer. Game solved

If I was mafia vig, why wouldn't I believe your claim? If anything me being mafia vig would make me more likely to believe reasonably powerful PR claims.

Also, you never answered me, how did you know I shot Wilgy, and not Michelle?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:48 pm Cool.

I'm fucking off to bed. Last night was fun but goddamn am I forty.

Happy belated birthday btw! Sleep well!

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:24 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:21 pm So the problem I'm having in my head is that it feels like one of Guillotine and Epignosis are lying. Setupwise both being true seems highly unlikely.

What reason do I have to lie, and what is my endgame scenario if I did?

I mean if you are lying here the scenario would just be as follows.

You fake claim (or maybe really are a Mafia Jailkeeper idk) with the intent to out a real Parity Cop.
Of course this is pretty much a 1 for 1 between you two so you'd be executed day 3 after Guillotine is outed.
Then we would just wind up in an endgame where it's 2 Town and 1 Mafia, that Mafia being whoever your partner is

There is certainly reason to do what you are doing as a wolf.


Of course there is the tinfoil world where you are wolf and Guillotine is your partner you are doing some big brain plays claiming a role that basically just mechanically CCs the mere existence of your partner's fake claim. In that case, I would say well done that's a good play I wouldn't have expected.

I'm having a hard time following this. How would Epi's claim out a "real parity cop" and if Guillo isn't real, why would he be town, and why would you expect another parity cop? I also don't really get the motive - Epi hasn't been a hot topic, so this play only makes sense if Epi's partner is Guillo, but then outing a real parity cop would blow the whole plan up.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:07 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:56 pm So here's a thought. There is 7 people alive, 4 of which are claiming a Power Role.

We could shoot into the 3 non-Power claims to try and kill a Mafia Goon (At least I highly doubt Mafia would get 2 Power Roles and there be only 2 Town-aligned Power Role). Although this does rely on at least 3 of the Power Role clams to be Town.

How likely does everyone think there would only be 3 Power Roles? Making it so 2 of the claims are real and 2 of the claims are Mafia Goon + Mafia Power Role?

If we do trust there is at least 3 Power Roles for Town in the setup there is statistically a stronger chance of killing a Mafia Goon in S~V~S, MR, and Falcon than shooting one of the Power Roles. It's not foolproof by any means, but an idea.

Most heists I've played have been 2 town PRs with 1 mafia PR, and usually are 13ers or bigger. I know the site recently relaxed the heist standards, so I'm not sure what to expect, but even 4 PRs in a 10er feels weird. Regardless, I'mma vote for who I think is most likely mafia, claims considered.

That's kind of why I was wondering. 4 claims with 2 being unconformable felt a bit weird. Do you think it's possible 2 Mafia are claiming a Power Role right now?

Possible? Yes. Likely? That's harder to tell. I think Guillo is just outed at this point, and if I GTH I'd say you and Epi are probably fine. Epi's claim is just straight up weird if coming from scum - it was completely unnecessary, he was under no heat, his claim is the sort of "bad" that actually looks good, etc. My one issue with Epi is that if he is a disruptive role, it would be a good counter to my own role, but the way he's playing it is... well... If he is mafia here, his claim is working. I've already mentioned my tinfoil of you, but I don't feel the need to chase that with bigger fish out there. I'm noting this though for if Guillo flips wolf.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:10 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:55 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:49 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:39 pm It's also possible Epignosis is lying about not using their ability and is just a Roleblocker who hit a non-Power Role night 1.

Why would I lie about that? I could keep my mouth shut.

And that makes even less sense.

If I'm a mafia role blocker, and Guillotine over here is the parity cop, I'm targeting Guillotine with that.

Did you believe Guillo's claim yesterday?

Not until I asked for clarification. Then I had to think about it.

What did you ask for clarification about?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:54 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:50 pm Harclaim Parity Cop

Is the description in the link below an accurate description of your role?

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/da ... rity%20Cop

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:06 pm Yes but mine is limited

Oh, i thought you were saying you asked the host for clarification on something. This makes sense.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:58 pm Going back to this post:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:31 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:54 pm Town

Michelle

Null

Seanzie
Cat

Scum

DrWilgy
SvS


Spicy read

LinearPoint could be whiteknighting me.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:54 pm And I would vote out SvS as self preservation if the wagons remain like this until EoD, but I'd prefer one in Michelle/Wilgy

You don't require permission to vote out S~V~S if the first post is real. It isn't. You're a liar. You're mafia.

I looked at Guillo's ISO inbetween these posts, and he does speak in length about Michelle. Naming his earlier top town here over SVS isn't so surprising considering how much effort he put into pushing MIchelle after the reads list. However, I don't see much at all about SVS between these posts. @Guillotine what changed with regards to SVS here during D1?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:55 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:49 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:39 pm It's also possible Epignosis is lying about not using their ability and is just a Roleblocker who hit a non-Power Role night 1.

Why would I lie about that? I could keep my mouth shut.

And that makes even less sense.

If I'm a mafia role blocker, and Guillotine over here is the parity cop, I'm targeting Guillotine with that.

Did you believe Guillo's claim yesterday?

Not until I asked for clarification. Then I had to think about it.

What did you ask for clarification about?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:56 pm So here's a thought. There is 7 people alive, 4 of which are claiming a Power Role.

We could shoot into the 3 non-Power claims to try and kill a Mafia Goon (At least I highly doubt Mafia would get 2 Power Roles and there be only 2 Town-aligned Power Role). Although this does rely on at least 3 of the Power Role clams to be Town.

How likely does everyone think there would only be 3 Power Roles? Making it so 2 of the claims are real and 2 of the claims are Mafia Goon + Mafia Power Role?

If we do trust there is at least 3 Power Roles for Town in the setup there is statistically a stronger chance of killing a Mafia Goon in S~V~S, MR, and Falcon than shooting one of the Power Roles. It's not foolproof by any means, but an idea.

Most heists I've played have been 2 town PRs with 1 mafia PR, and usually are 13ers or bigger. I know the site recently relaxed the heist standards, so I'm not sure what to expect, but even 4 PRs in a 10er feels weird. Regardless, I'mma vote for who I think is most likely mafia, claims considered.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:49 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:39 pm It's also possible Epignosis is lying about not using their ability and is just a Roleblocker who hit a non-Power Role night 1.

Why would I lie about that? I could keep my mouth shut.

And that makes even less sense.

If I'm a mafia role blocker, and Guillotine over here is the parity cop, I'm targeting Guillotine with that.

Did you believe Guillo's claim yesterday?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:38 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:59 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:43 pm And if Seanzie is town, it is obvious Seanzie is the vig, who is voting me because i cannot be a pr with him according to his beliefs.

@Seanzie

This is why i townread you yesterday but i dont care about keeping your secret no more! So why did you kill Wilgy if you scum read me yesterday?

Well, looks like the cat's out of the bag.

I don't believe you townread me for that yesterday. I was/am legit busy with the start of the semester, and would have low-posted regardless of my role. I didn't shoot you because I thought it was better to see if you'd self-resolve, and you AtE'd in a way that made me really doubt my read on you. I thought about shooting SVS, but I kinda believed how they were willing to throw themselves under the bus to save a claimed PR. Wilgy OTOH is someone who can snow town single-handedly, and in the world where I was wrong on you, I thought they were most likely wolf.

How did you know I shot Wilgy and not Michelle?

You know I looked at both night kills, saw you were scum reading them both, then just wrote you down as Vigilante lol. I didn't think you'd actually claim it though.

I didn't scumread either yesterday? I only decided on Wilgy after deliberating during night. I didn't feel good about shooting at the obvious choices (Guillo/SVS), so I looked into Wilgy and decided to shoot him.

Sorry, I noted down you questioned them both for RVSing with you at the start of day one, but for some reason colored the note red so I mistook it for a scum read.

Huh... yeah they were the two people who sheeped me onto Guillo, and I did find that strange at the time. It was early enough though that those feelings faded, and didn't come into play when deciding what I should do at night.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:59 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:43 pm And if Seanzie is town, it is obvious Seanzie is the vig, who is voting me because i cannot be a pr with him according to his beliefs.

@Seanzie

This is why i townread you yesterday but i dont care about keeping your secret no more! So why did you kill Wilgy if you scum read me yesterday?

Well, looks like the cat's out of the bag.

I don't believe you townread me for that yesterday. I was/am legit busy with the start of the semester, and would have low-posted regardless of my role. I didn't shoot you because I thought it was better to see if you'd self-resolve, and you AtE'd in a way that made me really doubt my read on you. I thought about shooting SVS, but I kinda believed how they were willing to throw themselves under the bus to save a claimed PR. Wilgy OTOH is someone who can snow town single-handedly, and in the world where I was wrong on you, I thought they were most likely wolf.

How did you know I shot Wilgy and not Michelle?

You know I looked at both night kills, saw you were scum reading them both, then just wrote you down as Vigilante lol. I didn't think you'd actually claim it though.

I didn't scumread either yesterday? I only decided on Wilgy after deliberating during night. I didn't feel good about shooting at the obvious choices (Guillo/SVS), so I looked into Wilgy and decided to shoot him.

Anyways, I'm off to go do my first ever race on the hottest day of the year, so uhh... yeah... wish me luck.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:43 pm And if Seanzie is town, it is obvious Seanzie is the vig, who is voting me because i cannot be a pr with him according to his beliefs.

@Seanzie

This is why i townread you yesterday but i dont care about keeping your secret no more! So why did you kill Wilgy if you scum read me yesterday?

Well, looks like the cat's out of the bag.

I don't believe you townread me for that yesterday. I was/am legit busy with the start of the semester, and would have low-posted regardless of my role. I didn't shoot you because I thought it was better to see if you'd self-resolve, and you AtE'd in a way that made me really doubt my read on you. I thought about shooting SVS, but I kinda believed how they were willing to throw themselves under the bus to save a claimed PR. Wilgy OTOH is someone who can snow town single-handedly, and in the world where I was wrong on you, I thought they were most likely wolf.

How did you know I shot Wilgy and not Michelle?

I have a bit of tinfoil that LP is something like a double-voter rather than just controlling the elim, but the way they were telegraphing at EoD yesterday doesn't fit super well with that. In a mafia!LP world though, the fact that they went for Cat strongly suggests one of SVS or Guillo would be their partner, and looking at their ISO, they took both SVS and Guillo off the table, so meh, I guess that makes sense.

*waiting for everyone to realize there is no way we have a pairity cop, a vig, and someone who controls the D1 elim in a 10er*

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:31 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:24 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:06 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:01 pm

I've gotten only good vibes (even if small vibes) from you so far.

And that's enough to clear me?

Why havent you contested my townreads?

Who are your townreads?

Epignosis
Michelle
Seanzie

Linear went from town to my poe, for gaslighting me for pushing SvS for being lamist.

If Guillo flips wolf this is probably an anti-salad, which is a less delicious version of an antipasto salad.

If im a wolf i spewed more than half the game town. I must really suck at playing as scum.

Nah, I'm just good at seeing through anti-spew.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:29 pm 30 minutes left and only less than a handful of people are here, wolves are confortable.

They have busy lives? Everyone saw the SoD times in sign ups, dont let them use that as an excuse.m

There is 2 hrs 30 minutes left. I won't be here at EoD though, wellll past my bedtime.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:24 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:06 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:01 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:57 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:52 pm I believe one of these is correct. Assuming the low posting Radish not being wolf.

Cat-Epi
Cat/Epi/SVS-Wilgy

I don't see a world where it's SVS-Epi. Their interaction does feel rather 1-sided from Epignosis. There is a very niche world where SVS was just blindsided by an allied wolf hardpush.

Why aren't I in the mix?

I've gotten only good vibes (even if small vibes) from you so far.

And that's enough to clear me?

Why havent you contested my townreads?

Who are your townreads?

Epignosis
Michelle
Seanzie

Linear went from town to my poe, for gaslighting me for pushing SvS for being lamist.

If Guillo flips wolf this is probably an anti-salad, which is a less delicious version of an antipasto salad.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:52 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:04 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:23 am [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

I agree with Sean

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

@Seanzie

What was your reaction when you saw this?

I thought the fact that two people voted you right after I did probably likely was significant. I questioned Michelle and whomever else it was, but I don't remember what they said in response.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:06 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:01 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:57 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:52 pm I believe one of these is correct. Assuming the low posting Radish not being wolf.

Cat-Epi
Cat/Epi/SVS-Wilgy

I don't see a world where it's SVS-Epi. Their interaction does feel rather 1-sided from Epignosis. There is a very niche world where SVS was just blindsided by an allied wolf hardpush.

Why aren't I in the mix?

I've gotten only good vibes (even if small vibes) from you so far.

And that's enough to clear me?

Why havent you contested my townreads?

Who are your townreads?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:12 pm I don't really like LP's take on me, I haven't done anything to be overlooked like this. I don't see them becoming a viable wagon with the weird EoD time though, so I'mma just stay on Guillo.

Well if you don't think you've deserved it I'd say that means I'm probably correct them since that means you aren't actively trying to fake town-tells.

Also you were pretty aggressively pocketing me last time you were Mafia in a game where I was Town and in general were far more active and trying to push your world view onto the thread.

My activity is largely NAI; if I'm busy, I'm busy.

I could see town!you possibly forgetting about me, and thus not considering me, but not actively trying to defend the fact that you left me off.

I don't really like LP's take on me, I haven't done anything to be overlooked like this. I don't see them becoming a viable wagon with the weird EoD time though, so I'mma just stay on Guillo.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:01 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:57 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:52 pm I believe one of these is correct. Assuming the low posting Radish not being wolf.

Cat-Epi
Cat/Epi/SVS-Wilgy

I don't see a world where it's SVS-Epi. Their interaction does feel rather 1-sided from Epignosis. There is a very niche world where SVS was just blindsided by an allied wolf hardpush.

Why aren't I in the mix?

I've gotten only good vibes (even if small vibes) from you so far.

And that's enough to clear me?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:52 pm I believe one of these is correct. Assuming the low posting Radish not being wolf.

Cat-Epi
Cat/Epi/SVS-Wilgy

I don't see a world where it's SVS-Epi. Their interaction does feel rather 1-sided from Epignosis. There is a very niche world where SVS was just blindsided by an allied wolf hardpush.

Why aren't I in the mix?

I was gonna vote SVS after ISOing them, but then Guillo claimed parity cop so I don't want to move off Guillo.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:41 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:38 pm Hello!

I am here, but only for a little bit. What is going on?

Have you at least read the game?

If I had read the game, I wouldn't need someone to tell me what's going on.

What's going on?

A mafia game, people suspecting/ accusing each other with various levels of confidence and agenda.
Do you want to take part?

Yes, who should I accuse and suspect, what level of confidence should I be at with respect to them, and what should my agenda be?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:41 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:38 pm Hello!

I am here, but only for a little bit. What is going on?

Have you at least read the game?

If I had read the game, I wouldn't need someone to tell me what's going on.

What's going on?

Nah bro. Inrather be voted out than become your assistant, work, like i did.

Yup, that's what I'm doing.

My semester started yesterday, and tbh I kinda forgot about this game in the start-of-semester rush. I'mma try to find some time to do some ISOs or something tonight before EoD, but honestly probably won't actually catch up until this weekend.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:38 pm Hello!

I am here, but only for a little bit. What is going on?

Have you at least read the game?

If I had read the game, I wouldn't need someone to tell me what's going on.

What's going on?

Hello!

I am here, but only for a little bit. What is going on?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:23 am [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:04 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:23 am [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

I agree with Sean

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:15 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:04 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:23 am [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

I agree with Sean

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Now I'll feel weird because I'm third, but I also agree.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

So the votes are because you disagree the thread was dead and boring or?

Yes, that's right.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:20 am LP
Seanzie
Cat
Epi
SVS
MR
Michelle
Guillo

Are these serious reads?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:04 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:23 am [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

I agree with Sean

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Why?

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.