The Syndicate

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:24 am Heal the poison. Imo

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:42 am Eh. Lost monkey's ISO is mostly empty reads. Really dislike their treatment of Falcon, calling him "scummy but can play bad as town" and "scum or butthurt." It feels like they have TMI on the slot because these are really weird, polarized statements to make as town. Also, how can you know someone's potentially "playing bad" as town when it's day 1? That's the biggest TMI point in the entire ISO.

The good thing is that lost monkey has actual alignment reads (even if they are bad); I remember their wolf ISO from our last game together barely having even that. But the reads themselves aren't good at all, and the treatment of Falcon should realistically spew him town if Lost Monkey is mafia.

I still think Falcon is the wolfier of the two, but maybe flipping lost monkey first is the play, considering Falcon's spewed town if Lost Monkey is mafia and Lost Monkey isn't spewed town if Falcon is mafia. Would like people's input on this.

In general, what even happened in that event? This makes two ISOs I've read that talk about the event and I'm still confused what exactly happened in there. Seanzie was in that as well iirc.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:03 am So really, yesterday is on you guys, not me.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:37 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:19 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:06 am So we kill axe today correct?

Not sure. I don't want another mislynch.

You don't want another mislynch, eh? Are you sure about that? Cuz you sound very convinced

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:16 am also I think Guillermo might be a wolf but that’s besides the point

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:22 pm Look at Ender go.

With an OMGUS vote.

[VOTE: NotanAxeHole] aubergine

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:25 pm Luckbox/AxeHole/Maybe Falc/Maybe Jack

Good scumteam progression I like.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:28 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:20 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:19 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:16 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:08 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:04 pm I'm not sure which is more scummy,

Guillotine being a memer that is excessively meming which seems like something a scum memer could get caught up in (or a disinterested towny).

Or EnderWiggin giving the excessive memer a town pass.

Probably the latter?

Why can't it just be Guillotine messing around d1?

I don't see how your question-hypothesis poses a contradiction to anything I said.

@MacDougall I know you're voting luckbox, but can you play devil's advocate for a second and give me a reason why I should town read him? I feel like there are a couple of meta options, I'll let you choose your approach though.

You're asking Mac for a reason why you should town read me when he's voting me?

Very astute observation. I will not bore you with my line of thinking as you probably have already deduced that as well.

Everything you say reminds me of myself when I was a little prick who had read Beginners Psychology and wanted to sound cultured.

For all of you townies in the game, I'd like to point out that by this, he's saying that he thinks my posts are more personality driven than alignment driven. Therefore, it makes very little sense that he would be voting me over anything he's seen in the game.

But yeah, that and the early town read on Guillotine when Guillotine wasn't being towny (albeit, maybe it's not scummy, but certainly not worthy of a D1 pass - It's hardly even been funny to be honest... Maybe more clowny?)

So... Vote for this guy. Or Dana, I still think Dana is high probability wolf for the early role fishing and general mechanical posting during RVS.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:30 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:28 pm

For all of you townies in the game, I'd like to point out that by this, he's saying that he thinks my posts are more personality driven than alignment driven. Therefore, it makes very little sense that he would be voting me over anything he's seen in the game.

But yeah, that and the early town read on Guillotine when Guillotine wasn't being towny (albeit, maybe it's not scummy, but certainly not worthy of a D1 pass - It's hardly even been funny to be honest... Maybe more clowny?)

So... Vote for this guy. Or Dana, I still think Dana is high probability wolf for the early role fishing and general mechanical posting during RVS.

You posted a weaksauce reason to push on me and think it's ironclad.

Nice.

Any other response to the wagon on you with Mac involved? Please share with the class.

(Yes I think a lot of the posts are personality driven and NAI because it's early D1, but his initial Ender/Guillo push was bad.)

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:36 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:30 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:28 pm

For all of you townies in the game, I'd like to point out that by this, he's saying that he thinks my posts are more personality driven than alignment driven. Therefore, it makes very little sense that he would be voting me over anything he's seen in the game.

But yeah, that and the early town read on Guillotine when Guillotine wasn't being towny (albeit, maybe it's not scummy, but certainly not worthy of a D1 pass - It's hardly even been funny to be honest... Maybe more clowny?)

So... Vote for this guy. Or Dana, I still think Dana is high probability wolf for the early role fishing and general mechanical posting during RVS.

You posted a weaksauce reason to push on me and think it's ironclad.

Nice.

Any other response to the wagon on you with Mac involved? Please share with the class.

(Yes I think a lot of the posts are personality driven and NAI because it's early D1, but his initial Ender/Guillo push was bad.)

For my townies,

I'll also highlight that he's saying he voted me due to my weak push on him initially (which sure, it wasn't super strong).. But let's look at the evidence of what he thinks is good play...

So far he's scum read luckbox for seemingly very little reason.

And he's scum read me for one post where I injected a few thoughts into the game without drawing a serious conclusion.

He's also townread guillotine for meming

and Mac for agreeing with him

Let's be clear, this is not someone who believes you need ironclad evidence to push someone on D1, therefore, his argument of why he scum reads me is in direct contradiction with his play, and you all should read that as scummy.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:29 pm tbh, I think Dana was a productive kill. I'm very curious to go back and read what happened. Player who poisoned should claim so that Dana can decide if save or not. I know at least myself and one other player who did NOT poison. (also unlikely Guillo did due to his claim of killing Mac)

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:27 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:42 pm Seems weird tbh

I'm a role cop. Hence why I knew no one would counterclaim. But uhm... You know what?

I don't think it's reasonable to ever believe a red check in a game where roles are handed out before alignment.

Felicis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:45 pm lol I hate this

So axe lied or there's someone with redirect powers (or some other possibility I dunno)? Axe knows he'd get outed for lying about a red check after Dana's green flip, would he still make that play?? This feels too wifom-y and I don't want to think about it at 10:45 at night so I'm going to go have a snack and be sad and confused about it instead.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:04 pm I'm not sure which is more scummy,

Guillotine being a memer that is excessively meming which seems like something a scum memer could get caught up in (or a disinterested towny).

Or EnderWiggin giving the excessive memer a town pass.

Probably the latter?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:03 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:02 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:30 am Roles that effect the reliability of information received (i.e., godfather, miller, etc.)

yes, we've all read that. Do you think notanaxehole pushes the "red" this hard if there's not something to it?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:30 am Roles that effect the reliability of information received (i.e., godfather, miller, etc.)

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:51 pm I thought at first you were telling the truth

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:49 pm something something resolve the check something something chop axe tomorrow if this is wrong

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:38 pm okay I still haven't rly read much or caught up but here's a rly bad list based on some d1 vibes

Spoiler: show

townlean:
IBA
Sean
Creature
Martin
Felicis

slight townlean:
Falcon
HK
DoO
Guillo
Grogu

null:
LC
Lomo
Naviya

slight scumlean:
Axe???
Tsp??
Jack
Vulgard

if I'm still alive in the irl morning I will reassess and read some ISOs and try to go more in depth with some real reads. if not, gl town
[VOTE: dana] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:00 pm Eod is July 3, 1pm edt. Hammer is at 12.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:47 pmAang

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:05 am Seanzie
Creature
TonyStarkPrime

would kill from this list

I hate this list because it's mostly low-end posters.

That being said Seanzie/TSP are fine lynches for me too.

Creature feels like they'll spew more town/scum later down the line when they start participating.

Felicis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:18 pm

Felicis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:42 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:55 pm

Felicis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:12 pm Not really sure I believe guillo's claim tbh. I mean... why do that when scum still has the soup kill on hand? I don't think you're immune from a soup kill if you vanilla-fy yourself.

Lol no I just don't really get your play here if you actually did shoot Mac. But it's cool, keep shading me I guess

Kinda seems like you're trying to shade Guillo

Maybe a little, cuz I don't super understand how outing himself as 1shot vig is helpful for town but maybe I'm just not seeing something. If you're town, guillo, you do you, I'm just worried and probably a little paranoid that scum will use the soup kill on you and if they do and you are town then we're down 6 and that's a little scary. I was shading and pushing you a little but I'm not trying to throw you under any buses here. Just confusion in my brain.

Anyway I've put my vote back on Dana. I'm worried about wrongness but I want to believe in this red check. I'll try to be around here and there throughout the evening if I can.

Felicis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:06 am Dana wasn't super pinging me tho, what are your Dana vibes?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:17 am I find it difficult to say I'd give a d1 pass on the pretense that not giving reads or being pro town is town indicative of creature nut going on that iso being solvy and giving straight answers is wolfy for him so yeh I guess we can solve him later.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:34 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:34 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:19 pm

oh so its an old read?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:08 am @Seanzie you best kill me tonight if you are wolfing and intend to continue putting forth this effort.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:50 am Kinda think Felicis is gonna become derp spewed off the first wolf flip. Wanna just leave them.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:37 pm a suspicious man would say guillo is trying to pocket me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:53 am I am like 99% sure HK is the one that shot kza and is probably town. I base this on reading 2 posts of his iso.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:31 pm I'm actually going to investigate my angleshoot I think, if it yields results, rest assured @Guillotine I will find perfectly legitimate non-angleshooting reasons to justify my reads.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:23 pm @Guillotine I have a read, and I'm not sure if it's angleshooting. If I share it, will you be mad?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:05 am Seanzie
Creature
TonyStarkPrime

would kill from this list

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:11 am if you want to chop someone who's made a lot of posts today I'd probably look at someone like hollowkatt or martin

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:12 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:06 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:22 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:14 pm Oh I got votes? What's up pals I'm on my way home from camping, at a rest stop but I'll be around for real in a couple of hours

My goodness, you were online at the time the red check was made and already had votes on you.

Nice claim, but you really should change your account settings if you want to make a play like this

This is actually angleshooting, let's not do that.

is it angleshooting or is it a derivative of timestamp reads?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:22 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:14 pm Oh I got votes? What's up pals I'm on my way home from camping, at a rest stop but I'll be around for real in a couple of hours

My goodness, you were online at the time the red check was made and already had votes on you.

Nice claim, but you really should change your account settings if you want to make a play like this

IBA wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:21 pm

Felicis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:12 pm Not really sure I believe guillo's claim tbh. I mean... why do that when scum still has the soup kill on hand? I don't think you're immune from a soup kill if you vanilla-fy yourself.

Felicis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:15 pm Axe claims he got a red check on you last night, Dana.

Questions?
Comments?
Concerns?

Felicis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:18 pm I'm gonna have to dip from the thread again, just wanted to leave that thought about guillo cuz the claim isn't sitting right with me. Would love to hear from you when you're home, Dana! Be back soon

Felicis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:19 pm Gonna unvote for now cuz I need to think.

This is someone who actually knows exactly what is going on and is managing their perceived reaction to it rather than concerned with the underlying question. Really over-managing I should say.

Felicis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:12 pm Not really sure I believe guillo's claim tbh. I mean... why do that when scum still has the soup kill on hand? I don't think you're immune from a soup kill if you vanilla-fy yourself.

Felicis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:12 pm Not really sure I believe guillo's claim tbh. I mean... why do that when scum still has the soup kill on hand? I don't think you're immune from a soup kill if you vanilla-fy yourself.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:54 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:40 pm Mac was obvious wolf tbh

Takes some balls to shoot a prestigious player.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:22 pm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

This is more preferable.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:21 pm Can someone also explain to me why we're close to killing Luckbox?

I haven't encountered a strong reason for me to not read him as town so far, though I haven't read everything since last (IRL) night.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:31 pm It's possible that LoMo derped in the sense that they didn't care enough to vote, but rn I don't feel like giving that thought

bc the other way to prevent the cop-check was to not do the puzzle and no way for others to know if you didn't do the puzzle

and also you have to have a certain level of investment into the game to even try a time-specific event

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:48 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:40 pm There’s no civ mindset world where you go after someone who is probably civ for messing something up it’s just the dumbest strategy ever.

If we wanna do that let’s also get rid of gullotine for meming, Justin for arguing, creature for not posting enough, the people who haven’t shown up and not even bother going after mafia.

For messing something up?

"Ah yes, I'm terribly sorry about missing the whole 6-hour event where I only stayed for the first hour and made no mention of my possible inactivity. Furthermore, I didn't even make a single message after Falcon had arrived somewhere in the middle of the process so I also apologize for not even checking for consensus and just dropping my vote on Falcon who could've been considered consensus but was never declared it"

like what