The Syndicate

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town
For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

Plus this is a 10 player game, killing any PR is a priority

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:42 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:40 am Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town
For what it's worth I do think it's a fair play for a town to do so.

I just don't really believe you here. If you were trying to die night 1 as a Vanilla Townie, Parity Cop isn't the claim.

Mafia are fairly disincentivized from killing a Parity Cop claim since you couldn't get info night 1. So claiming Parity Cop really does give the opposite vibes of someone trying to bait the night kill.

I was not going to claim alignment cop and actually bait the real alignment cop and actually game throw, same for doctor or other likely standard roles here, the idea was surviving and baiting not to help scum baiting a likely claim.

And im not helping you self voting either because I do wanna live actually. Your scum reads are solely based on you not believing a PR claim which ok, it was right, but still not because you actually do scum read me.

Yeet me today if you must but don't expect apologies from me post game cause I will not, I played pro-town

Seanzie is the mafia night vig and epignosis is the jail keeper that counters that or viceversa, in other words we have a difference check.

Ok I retract my claim, I'm not a parity cop, I'm actually vanilla

I claimed parity cop to try to bait the night kill, it didn't work and here we are.

I thought about doing some more FPS but it'd be game throwing.

Do I give a fuck if I must be policied yeeted for it? No I don't. From my point of view saving myself as town by any means necessary is a pro town move.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:37 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:30 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:11 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:07 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:56 pm So here's a thought. There is 7 people alive, 4 of which are claiming a Power Role.

We could shoot into the 3 non-Power claims to try and kill a Mafia Goon (At least I highly doubt Mafia would get 2 Power Roles and there be only 2 Town-aligned Power Role). Although this does rely on at least 3 of the Power Role clams to be Town.

How likely does everyone think there would only be 3 Power Roles? Making it so 2 of the claims are real and 2 of the claims are Mafia Goon + Mafia Power Role?

If we do trust there is at least 3 Power Roles for Town in the setup there is statistically a stronger chance of killing a Mafia Goon in S~V~S, MR, and Falcon than shooting one of the Power Roles. It's not foolproof by any means, but an idea.
Most heists I've played have been 2 town PRs with 1 mafia PR, and usually are 13ers or bigger. I know the site recently relaxed the heist standards, so I'm not sure what to expect, but even 4 PRs in a 10er feels weird. Regardless, I'mma vote for who I think is most likely mafia, claims considered.
That's kind of why I was wondering. 4 claims with 2 being unconformable felt a bit weird. Do you think it's possible 2 Mafia are claiming a Power Role right now?
Possible? Yes. Likely? That's harder to tell. I think Guillo is just outed at this point, and if I GTH I'd say you and Epi are probably fine. Epi's claim is just straight up weird if coming from scum - it was completely unnecessary, he was under no heat, his claim is the sort of "bad" that actually looks good, etc. My one issue with Epi is that if he is a disruptive role, it would be a good counter to my own role, but the way he's playing it is... well... If he is mafia here, his claim is working. I've already mentioned my tinfoil of you, but I don't feel the need to chase that with bigger fish out there. I'm noting this though for if Guillo flips wolf.
Yeah the unpromptedness of the claim does lean credence towards Epi being the legit one of the two.

Ok then he is legit

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:36 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:24 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:21 pm So the problem I'm having in my head is that it feels like one of Guillotine and Epignosis are lying. Setupwise both being true seems highly unlikely.
What reason do I have to lie, and what is my endgame scenario if I did?
I mean if you are lying here the scenario would just be as follows.

You fake claim (or maybe really are a Mafia Jailkeeper idk) with the intent to out a real Parity Cop.
Of course this is pretty much a 1 for 1 between you two so you'd be executed day 3 after Guillotine is outed.
Then we would just wind up in an endgame where it's 2 Town and 1 Mafia, that Mafia being whoever your partner is

There is certainly reason to do what you are doing as a wolf.

Of course there is the tinfoil world where you are wolf and Guillotine is your partner you are doing some big brain plays claiming a role that basically just mechanically CCs the mere existence of your partner's fake claim. In that case, I would say well done that's a good play I wouldn't have expected.
Or, I don't know. Crazy idea here. Wild ass crazy idea. I just kill Guillotine and nip that in the bud.

Ok this guy is mafia then because we all know that mafia cant target mafia here with a factional kill

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:24 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:21 pm So the problem I'm having in my head is that it feels like one of Guillotine and Epignosis are lying. Setupwise both being true seems highly unlikely.
What reason do I have to lie, and what is my endgame scenario if I did?
I mean if you are lying here the scenario would just be as follows.

You fake claim (or maybe really are a Mafia Jailkeeper idk) with the intent to out a real Parity Cop.
Of course this is pretty much a 1 for 1 between you two so you'd be executed day 3 after Guillotine is outed.
Then we would just wind up in an endgame where it's 2 Town and 1 Mafia, that Mafia being whoever your partner is

There is certainly reason to do what you are doing as a wolf.

Of course there is the tinfoil world where you are wolf and Guillotine is your partner you are doing some big brain plays claiming a role that basically just mechanically CCs the mere existence of your partner's fake claim. In that case, I would say well done that's a good play I wouldn't have expected.

Linear is town

Elephants have 6 legs
Eggs are made of peanuts
Our life is a game simulation
We live on a flat earth

All of these are more believable than me acting like this as mafia, you guys act like I've never snowed you before as scum.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:30 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:11 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:07 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:56 pm So here's a thought. There is 7 people alive, 4 of which are claiming a Power Role.

We could shoot into the 3 non-Power claims to try and kill a Mafia Goon (At least I highly doubt Mafia would get 2 Power Roles and there be only 2 Town-aligned Power Role). Although this does rely on at least 3 of the Power Role clams to be Town.

How likely does everyone think there would only be 3 Power Roles? Making it so 2 of the claims are real and 2 of the claims are Mafia Goon + Mafia Power Role?

If we do trust there is at least 3 Power Roles for Town in the setup there is statistically a stronger chance of killing a Mafia Goon in S~V~S, MR, and Falcon than shooting one of the Power Roles. It's not foolproof by any means, but an idea.
Most heists I've played have been 2 town PRs with 1 mafia PR, and usually are 13ers or bigger. I know the site recently relaxed the heist standards, so I'm not sure what to expect, but even 4 PRs in a 10er feels weird. Regardless, I'mma vote for who I think is most likely mafia, claims considered.
That's kind of why I was wondering. 4 claims with 2 being unconformable felt a bit weird. Do you think it's possible 2 Mafia are claiming a Power Role right now?
Possible? Yes. Likely? That's harder to tell. I think Guillo is just outed at this point, and if I GTH I'd say you and Epi are probably fine. Epi's claim is just straight up weird if coming from scum - it was completely unnecessary, he was under no heat, his claim is the sort of "bad" that actually looks good, etc. My one issue with Epi is that if he is a disruptive role, it would be a good counter to my own role, but the way he's playing it is... well... If he is mafia here, his claim is working. I've already mentioned my tinfoil of you, but I don't feel the need to chase that with bigger fish out there. I'm noting this though for if Guillo flips wolf.

Yes I am mafia who faked claimed parity cop to live and went to kill the very people that pushed me hard on day 1 to look sus as fuck.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:23 pm A LIMITED parity cop, might I add.

Yes and I parity cop Seaznie last night

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:22 pm I just think this:

1) A Parity Cop makes next to no sense in this setup.
2) Guillotine doesn't act like a Parity Cop.
3) Guillotine didn't die.

I was not killed to push this.

Look at the kills, Michelle and Wilgy whom both pushed me early day 1 and one of them actually parked on me.
You'd think if I was mafia I wouldn't do the kills that point straight at me, but maybe I suck at mafia now.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:05 pm I actually can see a world where MR votes Guillotine day 1 without going full bus mode making a hard accusation.

Guillotine's push onto MR "perspective slipping" when all MR did was imply they Town read me and SVS did feel odd and could actually just be more distancing.

The other option IMO would have to be falcon who voted on neither SVS or Guillotine's wagon taking a neutral stance to the scenario.

If I was scum here there is no chance in hell I let a zero poster bus me

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:59 pm Whp would Guillotine's partner be if they were wolf? I was thinking it had to be Epignosis, but does anyone have meta on Epignosis to know if they tend to bus this hard day 2?

He is obviously not jailkeeper, he is baiting the night kill.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:51 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:49 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:39 pm It's also possible Epignosis is lying about not using their ability and is just a Roleblocker who hit a non-Power Role night 1.
Why would I lie about that? I could keep my mouth shut.
And that makes even less sense.

If I'm a mafia role blocker, and Guillotine over here is the parity cop, I'm targeting Guillotine with that.

Why didn't you jailkept me if you also thought i was scum with SvS then?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:49 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:39 pm It's also possible Epignosis is lying about not using their ability and is just a Roleblocker who hit a non-Power Role night 1.
Why would I lie about that? I could keep my mouth shut.

It supports the idea that it is too mech heavy for a heist game, but I do believe you.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:44 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:38 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:59 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:43 pm And if Seanzie is town, it is obvious Seanzie is the vig, who is voting me because i cannot be a pr with him according to his beliefs.

@Seanzie

This is why i townread you yesterday but i dont care about keeping your secret no more! So why did you kill Wilgy if you scum read me yesterday?
Well, looks like the cat's out of the bag.

I don't believe you townread me for that yesterday. I was/am legit busy with the start of the semester, and would have low-posted regardless of my role. I didn't shoot you because I thought it was better to see if you'd self-resolve, and you AtE'd in a way that made me really doubt my read on you. I thought about shooting SVS, but I kinda believed how they were willing to throw themselves under the bus to save a claimed PR. Wilgy OTOH is someone who can snow town single-handedly, and in the world where I was wrong on you, I thought they were most likely wolf.

How did you know I shot Wilgy and not Michelle?
You know I looked at both night kills, saw you were scum reading them both, then just wrote you down as Vigilante lol. I didn't think you'd actually claim it though.
I didn't scumread either yesterday? I only decided on Wilgy after deliberating during night. I didn't feel good about shooting at the obvious choices (Guillo/SVS), so I looked into Wilgy and decided to shoot him.
Sorry, I noted down you questioned them both for RVSing with you at the start of day one, but for some reason colored the note red so I mistook it for a scum read.
Huh... yeah they were the two people who sheeped me onto Guillo, and I did find that strange at the time. It was early enough though that those feelings faded, and didn't come into play when deciding what I should do at night.

Seanzie would have killed me if he really believed I was lying.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:39 pm I will say a 2-shot Parity Cop (even though Guillotine never claimed their limitation) isn't completely unheard of and impossible. It'd be mostly as a just in case limitation not really because the host would ever expect them to be getting 3 checks off.

But a Night 1 Jailkeeper is an interesting claim in the setup that we know so far. There'd be 8 targets for night 1 (assuming you can't just jail yourself), with 2 killers and 2 kills that is about a 50% chance to prevent a death Night 1. Which is actually kind of believable. Although I'm not sure about a Parity Cop alongside a Night 1 Jailkeeper, Parity Cop already has a hard enough time getting 2 checks off, a roleblock in the mix to completely shut it down is almost unfair IMO.

It's possible Guillotine is a Role Cop and Epignosis is telling the truth. It's also possible Epignosis is lying about not using their ability and is just a Roleblocker who hit a non-Power Role night 1. There could still be an unclaimed Power Role somewhere, but I think we've checked all the boxes with a protective/roleblock claim, a information claim, a vote manipulation claim, and a killing claim. I would be surprised if we don't have a town-aligned investigative role to be honest and the fact Guillotine isn't being CCd though does point towards them being legitimate.

If you are town stop talking about mechanics and play real mafia, am i scum for my behavior? Have I have agenda?

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:38 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:59 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:43 pm And if Seanzie is town, it is obvious Seanzie is the vig, who is voting me because i cannot be a pr with him according to his beliefs.

@Seanzie

This is why i townread you yesterday but i dont care about keeping your secret no more! So why did you kill Wilgy if you scum read me yesterday?
Well, looks like the cat's out of the bag.

I don't believe you townread me for that yesterday. I was/am legit busy with the start of the semester, and would have low-posted regardless of my role. I didn't shoot you because I thought it was better to see if you'd self-resolve, and you AtE'd in a way that made me really doubt my read on you. I thought about shooting SVS, but I kinda believed how they were willing to throw themselves under the bus to save a claimed PR. Wilgy OTOH is someone who can snow town single-handedly, and in the world where I was wrong on you, I thought they were most likely wolf.

How did you know I shot Wilgy and not Michelle?
You know I looked at both night kills, saw you were scum reading them both, then just wrote you down as Vigilante lol. I didn't think you'd actually claim it though.
I didn't scumread either yesterday? I only decided on Wilgy after deliberating during night. I didn't feel good about shooting at the obvious choices (Guillo/SVS), so I looked into Wilgy and decided to shoot him.

If this guy is the vig, he is the mafia vig or a serial killer. Game solved

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:30 pm I think I'm correct that the team is S~V~S and Guillotine.

So you think that I as scum try to defend a poed wolf instead pf going for the bus?

Ask anyone here whom has played with me, I bus for cred to go deep.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:20 pm As things stand, I don't believe a word that comes from Guillotine.

A "parity cop" was something I'd never heard of. Fine.

JJJ has never said that phrase on this site. Fine.

It's been mentioned four times in over a decade. Four. Fine.

A "limited use parity cop" is hilarious though. A parity cop is ALREADY by it's nature limited.

I hesitated Day 1 on Guillotine because my own role was limited. To me that spoke of a level of honesty that gave me pause.

Instead, I think Guillotine or Guillotine's partner has a limited role that provided Guillotine with knowledge that limited roles were in play.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

o you dont scum read me, you just think parity cop can't exist, not a real scum read, if we lose, we lose because you meta games the host not because you scum read me. Get wrecked.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:58 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:51 pm I was not questioning cat getting yeeted organically but if you had something to do with it through mechanics, you must get killed even though cat was in my poe.
Question. Why not use your Cop check on me then and out SVS? You were already putting SVS at the top of your wolf reads end of yesterday. I killed another one of your wolf reads.

My alignment is not really contingent on SVS's alignment. If they are a wolf then I could easily be a mislead Town or their Mafia partner

I do not agree that if i were a Mafia Doublevoter I would out today or even entertain the idea I could be one. I would just have staid silent and made it seem like SVS was a Doublevoter.

I think that, from the perspective of a Parity Cop, going for me over SVS does not make a whole lot of sense. Why go after the Power Role claim? When Power Roles are great people to check as a Cop of any kind and I don't see how you refuse to entertain the idea I could be Town who accidentally saved a wolf.

What makes you think I didn't check you?

oh well, we lost this game then

Still dead

Bye

Because not voting is giving mafia the win easily.

And again because i bloody can. =)

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:14 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:48 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:10 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:51 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:48 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:24 pm

Because it is not your call to decide the lynch for us.

It was obvious there were double voting shenanigans and maybe you thought that playing along makes you look goid because scum wouldnt do that, that is why you'd perceive it'd work.

I believe that if yoy are a wolf, you saved SvS to associate him with you. So no, if you are scum SvS is actually town.
I disagree, I'm pretty sure it was my call.

Jokes aside, I understand your frustration of not having your vote preference go through, but at the end of the day somebody was executed and I was quite clear I did not agree with the "consensus". It was only a very slim majority of 1 vote anyways, so it's really not like I was going completely rogue and trying to execute someone that nobody was wolf reading.

I personally treat the ability as if I dayvigged Cat and there was a forced no execution because of it. We still have the votes of yesterday and I think that's more than enough to draw conclusions from.

Guillo had Cat as a SR, there's no reason for T Guillo to care about their flip.

It reads like manufactured outrage
I will not let you get away with playing the i dint know card. I specifically said yesterday that i wanted SvS dead first because if he was scum then it'd mean that cat probably was trying to dave SVS, that is the reason i wanted SvS lynched over cat.
You dont ride a horse without the saddle.

Why aren't you voting SVS?
I no longer scum read them and also Im not interested in wasting my time pursuing a lynch that one player will overrule with their ability yet again. If you want them out, then this time you will havebto lynch them, you are getting zero support on that slot today.

How did that read develop?

If you really feel this way, why are you even bothering to vote?

Because i can

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:10 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:51 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:48 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:24 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:58 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:51 pm I was not questioning cat getting yeeted organically but if you had something to do with it through mechanics, you must get killed even though cat was in my poe.
Question. Why not use your Cop check on me then and out SVS? You were already putting SVS at the top of your wolf reads end of yesterday. I killed another one of your wolf reads.

My alignment is not really contingent on SVS's alignment. If they are a wolf then I could easily be a mislead Town or their Mafia partner

I do not agree that if i were a Mafia Doublevoter I would out today or even entertain the idea I could be one. I would just have staid silent and made it seem like SVS was a Doublevoter.

I think that, from the perspective of a Parity Cop, going for me over SVS does not make a whole lot of sense. Why go after the Power Role claim? When Power Roles are great people to check as a Cop of any kind and I don't see how you refuse to entertain the idea I could be Town who accidentally saved a wolf.
Because it is not your call to decide the lynch for us.

It was obvious there were double voting shenanigans and maybe you thought that playing along makes you look goid because scum wouldnt do that, that is why you'd perceive it'd work.

I believe that if yoy are a wolf, you saved SvS to associate him with you. So no, if you are scum SvS is actually town.
I disagree, I'm pretty sure it was my call.

Jokes aside, I understand your frustration of not having your vote preference go through, but at the end of the day somebody was executed and I was quite clear I did not agree with the "consensus". It was only a very slim majority of 1 vote anyways, so it's really not like I was going completely rogue and trying to execute someone that nobody was wolf reading.

I personally treat the ability as if I dayvigged Cat and there was a forced no execution because of it. We still have the votes of yesterday and I think that's more than enough to draw conclusions from.

Guillo had Cat as a SR, there's no reason for T Guillo to care about their flip.

It reads like manufactured outrage
I will not let you get away with playing the i dint know card. I specifically said yesterday that i wanted SvS dead first because if he was scum then it'd mean that cat probably was trying to dave SVS, that is the reason i wanted SvS lynched over cat.
You dont ride a horse without the saddle.

Why aren't you voting SVS?

I no longer scum read them and also Im not interested in wasting my time pursuing a lynch that one player will overrule with their ability yet again. If you want them out, then this time you will havebto lynch them, you are getting zero support on that slot today.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:51 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:48 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:24 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:58 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:51 pm I was not questioning cat getting yeeted organically but if you had something to do with it through mechanics, you must get killed even though cat was in my poe.
Question. Why not use your Cop check on me then and out SVS? You were already putting SVS at the top of your wolf reads end of yesterday. I killed another one of your wolf reads.

My alignment is not really contingent on SVS's alignment. If they are a wolf then I could easily be a mislead Town or their Mafia partner

I do not agree that if i were a Mafia Doublevoter I would out today or even entertain the idea I could be one. I would just have staid silent and made it seem like SVS was a Doublevoter.

I think that, from the perspective of a Parity Cop, going for me over SVS does not make a whole lot of sense. Why go after the Power Role claim? When Power Roles are great people to check as a Cop of any kind and I don't see how you refuse to entertain the idea I could be Town who accidentally saved a wolf.
Because it is not your call to decide the lynch for us.

It was obvious there were double voting shenanigans and maybe you thought that playing along makes you look goid because scum wouldnt do that, that is why you'd perceive it'd work.

I believe that if yoy are a wolf, you saved SvS to associate him with you. So no, if you are scum SvS is actually town.
I disagree, I'm pretty sure it was my call.

Jokes aside, I understand your frustration of not having your vote preference go through, but at the end of the day somebody was executed and I was quite clear I did not agree with the "consensus". It was only a very slim majority of 1 vote anyways, so it's really not like I was going completely rogue and trying to execute someone that nobody was wolf reading.

I personally treat the ability as if I dayvigged Cat and there was a forced no execution because of it. We still have the votes of yesterday and I think that's more than enough to draw conclusions from.

Guillo had Cat as a SR, there's no reason for T Guillo to care about their flip.

It reads like manufactured outrage

I will not let you get away with playing the i dint know card. I specifically said yesterday that i wanted SvS dead first because if he was scum then it'd mean that cat probably was trying to dave SVS, that is the reason i wanted SvS lynched over cat.
You dont ride a horse without the saddle.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:44 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:54 pm @Master Radishes did you freeze?
Yes. You caught me. Well done.

I know, i am that damn good.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:59 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:43 pm And if Seanzie is town, it is obvious Seanzie is the vig, who is voting me because i cannot be a pr with him according to his beliefs.

@Seanzie

This is why i townread you yesterday but i dont care about keeping your secret no more! So why did you kill Wilgy if you scum read me yesterday?
Well, looks like the cat's out of the bag.

I don't believe you townread me for that yesterday. I was/am legit busy with the start of the semester, and would have low-posted regardless of my role. I didn't shoot you because I thought it was better to see if you'd self-resolve, and you AtE'd in a way that made me really doubt my read on you. I thought about shooting SVS, but I kinda believed how they were willing to throw themselves under the bus to save a claimed PR. Wilgy OTOH is someone who can snow town single-handedly, and in the world where I was wrong on you, I thought they were most likely wolf.

How did you know I shot Wilgy and not Michelle?

It is exactly why i townread you because in a 10 player game i can understand the pov of someone who'd try to meta the host and not believe it. It was obvious pr paranoia and i was scum i would have killed you for it instead of lettimg you live to out you here in the thread and risk town clearing you.

But i dont believe you dont kill me if you thought i was scum FPSing and kill wilgy instead because he'd snow you, town!Seanzie just kills me and not even feel bad when i flip town regardless. So unless you thought that i was exactly scum with Wilgy doung some elaborated distancing, i dont believe you, i will not push for your elimination because if you are town, you'll self resolve.

This game is boring.

We are losing because you ate letting it die.

Maybe it's Master Radishes and Falcon

You know what? I changed my mind

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:25 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:20 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:15 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:51 pm I was not questioning cat getting yeeted organically but if you had something to do with it through mechanics, you must get killed even though cat was in my poe.

wha?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:16 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:49 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:45 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:32 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:32 am

That's a fair take. I'm fine if people want to put me down as a Doublevoter instead. It's pretty much mechanically speaking not different given I decided not to go with a vanity wagon.

But honestly I wanted my top suspicion dead and I would rather be conflated with a Doblevoter than have voted on something like SVS or Guillotine and just be assumed to have been a Vanilla by burying my ability to make it impossible to tell something was up. Especially since, if it's not obvious, my ability goes away after day 1 and I'd have no way to even attempt to try and prove I was at any point a Power Role (baring Town Role Cop which is almost never actually added to games).
@Master Radishes tjey didnt bother to contest it
Just because I said I agree the two roles are mechanically indistinguishable doesn't mean I'm claiming it. I mean if we really are being pedantic SVS could have been a role that redirects the execute away from them.

JJJ did not state any reason why Cat was executed other than they just were.

I think there is enough evidence that I'm not a Doublevoter with the game flavor being based on civilization, a king-like role makes sense and I thought was thematically quite funny. Also the fact I was very much saying that I had full faith Cat was going to be executed day 1. But I really do not think it is important to debate or speculate over what exactly I did day 1, so that's why I'm fine being called a Doublevoter. Regardless I have only a single vote today so it quite literally makes no difference in my eyes.

I would rather you attempt to push me out of a genuine scum read though and not just because I "went against the majority" when my ability quite literally tells me to go against the will of the majority to maximize it's value. As I said I think my decision was a good one, you even agreed at the end of day 1 that Cat was in PoE. I do not think you are in a position to criticize me for killing Cat because as far as I am aware I more or less had permission since Wilgy was the only one I saw speaking out against the possibility of Cat being evil.
My scum read on you is genuine, i voiced it yesterday. I still dont trust you, my gut sensirs say you are evil so im gonna get you killed or be killed, it is as simple as that so i guess if you want to survive you are also goona have to vote me out.

I said yesterday thatnif was not kill i would do an 180 on my reads, i lied.

Im making no 180s until one of you flips scum.

huh?
What dont you understand? It is in English

I understand the words individually, but when I put them together I can't decide if you're obscenely Maf or absurdly Town

It is obscenely mafia. Now Prove me im telling the truth.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:22 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:45 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:32 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:32 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:11 am I have a bit of tinfoil that LP is something like a double-voter rather than just controlling the elim, but the way they were telegraphing at EoD yesterday doesn't fit super well with that. In a mafia!LP world though, the fact that they went for Cat strongly suggests one of SVS or Guillo would be their partner, and looking at their ISO, they took both SVS and Guillo off the table, so meh, I guess that makes sense.
That's a fair take. I'm fine if people want to put me down as a Doublevoter instead. It's pretty much mechanically speaking not different given I decided not to go with a vanity wagon.

But honestly I wanted my top suspicion dead and I would rather be conflated with a Doblevoter than have voted on something like SVS or Guillotine and just be assumed to have been a Vanilla by burying my ability to make it impossible to tell something was up. Especially since, if it's not obvious, my ability goes away after day 1 and I'd have no way to even attempt to try and prove I was at any point a Power Role (baring Town Role Cop which is almost never actually added to games).
@Master Radishes tjey didnt bother to contest it
Just because I said I agree the two roles are mechanically indistinguishable doesn't mean I'm claiming it. I mean if we really are being pedantic SVS could have been a role that redirects the execute away from them.

JJJ did not state any reason why Cat was executed other than they just were.

I think there is enough evidence that I'm not a Doublevoter with the game flavor being based on civilization, a king-like role makes sense and I thought was thematically quite funny. Also the fact I was very much saying that I had full faith Cat was going to be executed day 1. But I really do not think it is important to debate or speculate over what exactly I did day 1, so that's why I'm fine being called a Doublevoter. Regardless I have only a single vote today so it quite literally makes no difference in my eyes.

I would rather you attempt to push me out of a genuine scum read though and not just because I "went against the majority" when my ability quite literally tells me to go against the will of the majority to maximize it's value. As I said I think my decision was a good one, you even agreed at the end of day 1 that Cat was in PoE. I do not think you are in a position to criticize me for killing Cat because as far as I am aware I more or less had permission since Wilgy was the only one I saw speaking out against the possibility of Cat being evil.

Stop using so many words, I need it condensed or my brain melty

No, this is mafia and you have been in larger games

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:58 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:51 pm I was not questioning cat getting yeeted organically but if you had something to do with it through mechanics, you must get killed even though cat was in my poe.
Question. Why not use your Cop check on me then and out SVS? You were already putting SVS at the top of your wolf reads end of yesterday. I killed another one of your wolf reads.

My alignment is not really contingent on SVS's alignment. If they are a wolf then I could easily be a mislead Town or their Mafia partner

I do not agree that if i were a Mafia Doublevoter I would out today or even entertain the idea I could be one. I would just have staid silent and made it seem like SVS was a Doublevoter.

I think that, from the perspective of a Parity Cop, going for me over SVS does not make a whole lot of sense. Why go after the Power Role claim? When Power Roles are great people to check as a Cop of any kind and I don't see how you refuse to entertain the idea I could be Town who accidentally saved a wolf.

Because it is not your call to decide the lynch for us.

It was obvious there were double voting shenanigans and maybe you thought that playing along makes you look goid because scum wouldnt do that, that is why you'd perceive it'd work.

I believe that if yoy are a wolf, you saved SvS to associate him with you. So no, if you are scum SvS is actually town.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:15 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:51 pm I was not questioning cat getting yeeted organically but if you had something to do with it through mechanics, you must get killed even though cat was in my poe.

wha?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:16 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:49 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:45 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:32 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:32 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:11 am I have a bit of tinfoil that LP is something like a double-voter rather than just controlling the elim, but the way they were telegraphing at EoD yesterday doesn't fit super well with that. In a mafia!LP world though, the fact that they went for Cat strongly suggests one of SVS or Guillo would be their partner, and looking at their ISO, they took both SVS and Guillo off the table, so meh, I guess that makes sense.
That's a fair take. I'm fine if people want to put me down as a Doublevoter instead. It's pretty much mechanically speaking not different given I decided not to go with a vanity wagon.

But honestly I wanted my top suspicion dead and I would rather be conflated with a Doblevoter than have voted on something like SVS or Guillotine and just be assumed to have been a Vanilla by burying my ability to make it impossible to tell something was up. Especially since, if it's not obvious, my ability goes away after day 1 and I'd have no way to even attempt to try and prove I was at any point a Power Role (baring Town Role Cop which is almost never actually added to games).
@Master Radishes tjey didnt bother to contest it
Just because I said I agree the two roles are mechanically indistinguishable doesn't mean I'm claiming it. I mean if we really are being pedantic SVS could have been a role that redirects the execute away from them.

JJJ did not state any reason why Cat was executed other than they just were.

I think there is enough evidence that I'm not a Doublevoter with the game flavor being based on civilization, a king-like role makes sense and I thought was thematically quite funny. Also the fact I was very much saying that I had full faith Cat was going to be executed day 1. But I really do not think it is important to debate or speculate over what exactly I did day 1, so that's why I'm fine being called a Doublevoter. Regardless I have only a single vote today so it quite literally makes no difference in my eyes.

I would rather you attempt to push me out of a genuine scum read though and not just because I "went against the majority" when my ability quite literally tells me to go against the will of the majority to maximize it's value. As I said I think my decision was a good one, you even agreed at the end of day 1 that Cat was in PoE. I do not think you are in a position to criticize me for killing Cat because as far as I am aware I more or less had permission since Wilgy was the only one I saw speaking out against the possibility of Cat being evil.
My scum read on you is genuine, i voiced it yesterday. I still dont trust you, my gut sensirs say you are evil so im gonna get you killed or be killed, it is as simple as that so i guess if you want to survive you are also goona have to vote me out.

I said yesterday thatnif was not kill i would do an 180 on my reads, i lied.

Im making no 180s until one of you flips scum.

huh?

What dont you understand? It is in English

Master Radishes knows that both LP and SvS are town.

@Master Radishes did you freeze?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:50 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:46 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:40 pm PoE

SvS
Cat
Wilgy
LP

If chopping through does not win the game we are fucked

Looks like we might be fucked then!

Is this a perspective slip?

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

I was not questioning cat getting yeeted organically but if you had something to do with it through mechanics, you must get killed even though cat was in my poe.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:45 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:32 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:32 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:11 am I have a bit of tinfoil that LP is something like a double-voter rather than just controlling the elim, but the way they were telegraphing at EoD yesterday doesn't fit super well with that. In a mafia!LP world though, the fact that they went for Cat strongly suggests one of SVS or Guillo would be their partner, and looking at their ISO, they took both SVS and Guillo off the table, so meh, I guess that makes sense.
That's a fair take. I'm fine if people want to put me down as a Doublevoter instead. It's pretty much mechanically speaking not different given I decided not to go with a vanity wagon.

But honestly I wanted my top suspicion dead and I would rather be conflated with a Doblevoter than have voted on something like SVS or Guillotine and just be assumed to have been a Vanilla by burying my ability to make it impossible to tell something was up. Especially since, if it's not obvious, my ability goes away after day 1 and I'd have no way to even attempt to try and prove I was at any point a Power Role (baring Town Role Cop which is almost never actually added to games).
@Master Radishes tjey didnt bother to contest it
Just because I said I agree the two roles are mechanically indistinguishable doesn't mean I'm claiming it. I mean if we really are being pedantic SVS could have been a role that redirects the execute away from them.

JJJ did not state any reason why Cat was executed other than they just were.

I think there is enough evidence that I'm not a Doublevoter with the game flavor being based on civilization, a king-like role makes sense and I thought was thematically quite funny. Also the fact I was very much saying that I had full faith Cat was going to be executed day 1. But I really do not think it is important to debate or speculate over what exactly I did day 1, so that's why I'm fine being called a Doublevoter. Regardless I have only a single vote today so it quite literally makes no difference in my eyes.

I would rather you attempt to push me out of a genuine scum read though and not just because I "went against the majority" when my ability quite literally tells me to go against the will of the majority to maximize it's value. As I said I think my decision was a good one, you even agreed at the end of day 1 that Cat was in PoE. I do not think you are in a position to criticize me for killing Cat because as far as I am aware I more or less had permission since Wilgy was the only one I saw speaking out against the possibility of Cat being evil.

My scum read on you is genuine, i voiced it yesterday. I still dont trust you, my gut sensirs say you are evil so im gonna get you killed or be killed, it is as simple as that so i guess if you want to survive you are also goona have to vote me out.

I said yesterday thatnif was not kill i would do an 180 on my reads, i lied.

Im making no 180s until one of you flips scum.

And if Seanzie is town, it is obvious Seanzie is the vig, who is voting me because i cannot be a pr with him according to his beliefs.

@Seanzie

This is why i townread you yesterday but i dont care about keeping your secret no more! So why did you kill Wilgy if you scum read me yesterday?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:42 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:01 am *waiting for everyone to realize there is no way we have a pairity cop, a vig, and someone who controls the D1 elim in a 10er*
Yeah, I was wondering about that.

Has Guillo said if he's a 1x parity cop? A 1X parity cop would send two names in one time; a nightly parity cop checks one nights results against anothers, right? I am not super knowledgeable about this role. Wilgy, cat and Michelle all flipped VT; I'm VT. Would there be 3 1x use roles in a game this size? I wouldn't expect there to be any nightly powers (other than the wolf kill), but then, I don't have much experience in a game this small.

LP was pretty much the only person (except Wilgy) who mostly seemed to be engaging with me in good faith; they seemed to actually want to know why I said certain things as opposed to just making assumptions, especially after I got defensive (which was pretty much out of the gate). LP and Wilgy both felt like they were trying to solve, not just wave pitchforks around (and in retrospect, cat WAS giving me BOTD, which i read as wolf TMI, sorry cat), and you, Sean, weren't really there when I was, so we never really interacted.

Everyone else felt a tad "rabble rabble" to me.

I have to reread after errands.

Assuming that you are town, from your pov, all three wagons were town if you still hold your townread on me.

Who is mafia then?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:32 pm Also people go against the will of the majority all the time. If we do have a town vig that person also went against the will of the majority, as neither Michelle nor Wilgy were consensus suspects .

Hence why the vig must claim, since they have not claimed i will assume the vig is mafia too or the vig is throwing if town.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:32 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:11 am I have a bit of tinfoil that LP is something like a double-voter rather than just controlling the elim, but the way they were telegraphing at EoD yesterday doesn't fit super well with that. In a mafia!LP world though, the fact that they went for Cat strongly suggests one of SVS or Guillo would be their partner, and looking at their ISO, they took both SVS and Guillo off the table, so meh, I guess that makes sense.
That's a fair take. I'm fine if people want to put me down as a Doublevoter instead. It's pretty much mechanically speaking not different given I decided not to go with a vanity wagon.

But honestly I wanted my top suspicion dead and I would rather be conflated with a Doblevoter than have voted on something like SVS or Guillotine and just be assumed to have been a Vanilla by burying my ability to make it impossible to tell something was up. Especially since, if it's not obvious, my ability goes away after day 1 and I'd have no way to even attempt to try and prove I was at any point a Power Role (baring Town Role Cop which is almost never actually added to games).

@Master Radishes tjey didnt bother to contest it

If linearpoint is a double voter and went against the concensus, they must be eliminated. They went against the will of the majority

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