The Syndicate

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:04 pm oh wait, gira thinks i'm wolf with wilgy for pushing on a villager i guess. i was considering TMI

so why me over like Mac/Nook then @Gira

what?

but...you're pushing on wilgy...

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:00 pm>#915 so Gira refuses to townread women, he’s the antibrad

lmfao

Gira: why do you feel like SPF suspecting you and pushing you is >rand town?

in general more often that town players suspect me the way she does, as much as i want to be petty and call her mafia trying to yeet me

like i said though i am very, very, very bad at guessing these things so not confident in it at all

But, @Gira Why me wolf if Wilgy town over other people townreading Wilgy like Esooa and Alison?

he feel like a target you'd be pushing to try to eliminate if mafia

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:41 pm You even considering me to be mafia in general is a scum claim.

i, uh, doubt it?

i think if wilgys town the chances of alexa being scum go up significantly

say i'm chaining eliminatiions i dare you

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine


going to chill on a vanity wagon

i find nanook slightly sus in that he seems more concerned with asserting his own towniness rather than just being flippant but feel like the people more familiar with him have better chances of reading him than i do

looked back at falcon and i'm probably being overly generous to him but still think he's fine so far

history says spf suspecting me and pushing me here is >rand town


history also says my readrate on people pushing me is <<<rand so i wouldn't bet too heavily on it

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:01 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:55 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:34 pm also i dont really agree that it would be "trivially easy" to fake a concrete worldview in this game, because this game is full of extremely strong players that are generally extremely difficult to push on. i imagine that most wolves would be floundering in this position and keeping their cards close to their chest, or they would just be making a couple of townreads but not really making any effort to push on people or assert their reads, all of which aligns with how youve been playing

no you know what i'm actually annoyed, why do you think i'm more likely to be struggling to come up with stances as mafia than as town? why do you think me being lost as town is not plausible here?

i think that you very well could be town that is struggling to get your head into the game, but your approach to this game and your mindset in this game also happen to align with how i would expect a wolf to be playing. i have an absence of reasons to townread you and im not particularly convinced that your pushes are coming from a sincere place (like the one on ilario that youre making right now), so i don't know why i should consider you to be a lost town even if it's still plausible

i mean you're voting me and the way you're talking about me makes it feel like you think my behavior is significantly more likely scum aligned than not

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:34 pm also i dont really agree that it would be "trivially easy" to fake a concrete worldview in this game, because this game is full of extremely strong players that are generally extremely difficult to push on. i imagine that most wolves would be floundering in this position and keeping their cards close to their chest, or they would just be making a couple of townreads but not really making any effort to push on people or assert their reads, all of which aligns with how youve been playing

no you know what i'm actually annoyed, why do you think i'm more likely to be struggling to come up with stances as mafia than as town? why do you think me being lost as town is not plausible here?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:43 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:33 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:27 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:21 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:08 pm normally i'd give credence to spf wanting me to do things when i'm being laid back as a towntell but just recently misread someone for having that approach on me, so meh

you being laid back felt less like a decision that you consciously made at the beginning of the game and more like a decision that you were forced into based on your struggles to get into the game, though

idon't even really think i've been that laid back though, i was following along fine yseterday, found myself without a concrete worldview today which is trivial to fake), cam home early, passed out, and am only getting around to reading up now

somewhat disappointed you don't seem to understand how i play if you're town but meh

how would you describe playing in a "laid back" way if it isn't not having a coherent worldview and not being caught up with the game? fwiw i don't even think it's wolfy for you to be playing in a "laid back way", i just feel that your struggle to really get invested in this game could be related to your alignment, because even the posts that you made yesterday while you were following along with the game felt kind of strained to me, and like you didn't know what angles to take

for example, you just said that you think ilario is a wolf because he "isn't taking stances", but wouldn't you argue that the same thing applies to how you're playing in this game? why is it wolfy specifically for ilario to not take many concrete stances but not wolfy for you to take many concrete stances?

i think i've taken stances and have made an effort to read people even if i've been reserved in throwing out my judgments because i feel having a slam dunk scum read on day 1 is going to be unlikely

i also think this conversation is probably not going to go anywhere useful

do you think the same thing doesnt apply to ilario, though? just from memory i can recall him naming multiple players as "innocent childs" a few pages back and implying theyre basically confirmed town, so i don't really understand why your read on him is: "he isn't taking stances" and i would find it helpful if you elaborated

i don't think he looks like someone who is concerned with trying to solve the game

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:33 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:27 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:21 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:08 pm normally i'd give credence to spf wanting me to do things when i'm being laid back as a towntell but just recently misread someone for having that approach on me, so meh

you being laid back felt less like a decision that you consciously made at the beginning of the game and more like a decision that you were forced into based on your struggles to get into the game, though

idon't even really think i've been that laid back though, i was following along fine yseterday, found myself without a concrete worldview today which is trivial to fake), cam home early, passed out, and am only getting around to reading up now

somewhat disappointed you don't seem to understand how i play if you're town but meh

how would you describe playing in a "laid back" way if it isn't not having a coherent worldview and not being caught up with the game? fwiw i don't even think it's wolfy for you to be playing in a "laid back way", i just feel that your struggle to really get invested in this game could be related to your alignment, because even the posts that you made yesterday while you were following along with the game felt kind of strained to me, and like you didn't know what angles to take

for example, you just said that you think ilario is a wolf because he "isn't taking stances", but wouldn't you argue that the same thing applies to how you're playing in this game? why is it wolfy specifically for ilario to not take many concrete stances but not wolfy for you to take many concrete stances?

i think i've taken stances and have made an effort to read people even if i've been reserved in throwing out my judgments because i feel having a slam dunk scum read on day 1 is going to be unlikely

i also think this conversation is probably not going to go anywhere useful

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:31 pm @Gira

Do you have any thoughts on Wilgy currently?

i was going to make a comment on that, i don't really have an opinion of wilgy or nanook and would probably just sheep mac on them

i actually might be okay with fingsplints as town after thinking on it but it's a low confidence read

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:21 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:08 pm normally i'd give credence to spf wanting me to do things when i'm being laid back as a towntell but just recently misread someone for having that approach on me, so meh

you being laid back felt less like a decision that you consciously made at the beginning of the game and more like a decision that you were forced into based on your struggles to get into the game, though

idon't even really think i've been that laid back though, i was following along fine yseterday, found myself without a concrete worldview today which is trivial to fake), cam home early, passed out, and am only getting around to reading up now

somewhat disappointed you don't seem to understand how i play if you're town but meh

i reread ilario's iso and think he's mafia

there's a lot of questioning people and making statements along the lines of "not sure i see it" or agreeing with what other people say but not much in the way of actually taking definitive stances or pushing on anyone, just some soft townreads

granted i haven't been reading games well at all lately but that's what i see looking at him

(dizzy's not playing in a waythat's remotely advantageous to him as scum right now)

lime mac dizzy falcon town in order of confidence

i think dizzy is probably town now so that's something

normally i'd give credence to spf wanting me to do things when i'm being laid back as a towntell but just recently misread someone for having that approach on me, so meh

might continue to not have opinions just to be annoying

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:54 pm [VOTE: gira] aubergine

[VOTE: Gira] aubergine

townread on fingersplints on page 16 a bit of a headscratcher

i will probably sheep someone with a strong read when i'm all caught up and have my bearings

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:01 pm @Gira -

what's ur view of the game right now? youre one of the players that im actually the most worried about after looking at your ISO, because i feel like your posts are more aimless than most people here and they seem somewhat disconnected from each other, in the sense that you are posting a lot of observations that sound good on a surface-level but they dont really seem to be forming into a cohesive worldview

i dont wanna come after you too hard because i think it's possible that this game is just hard and youre struggling to get into it, but i would find it helpful if u just gave me a general overview of where ur head is at

really has been a long time since we've played together, huh

that's just...what i do as town

i took a nap instead of catching up

am i threadspewed yet

hi i'm home now

will read stuff at some point

i will try to approach this game with a little more rigor when I get home in a little while

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:20 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:01 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:54 am Hmmm well for me I didn’t wanna voice my read since I already felt like I forecasted that I found you scummy and felt no point adding onto that when you’re already being pushed by alison. That being said I like this post you made here.

what did you even like about that post, i barely said anything

I liked that you were critical of the EM players for not having a read on you. I think as a wolf you would be content with being out of their radar for now esp since you already have to deal with Alison pushing you atm + I liked how you assessed her push on you from multiple angles and the conclusion of “she just hates my posts for whatever reason” is a more likely thought for you to have as being town fossed by her after just being mafia fossed by her. I think it’s less likely you have idea to fake that thought if you naturally rand mafia against her twice and she correctly reads you both times.

we were both town in the other game

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:54 am Hmmm well for me I didn’t wanna voice my read since I already felt like I forecasted that I found you scummy and felt no point adding onto that when you’re already being pushed by alison. That being said I like this post you made here.

what did you even like about that post, i barely said anything

was probably overly generous to mac based on his entrance but still liked him coming in confident

find myself getting less certain looking at people

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:29 am Bruh how is dizzy not a consensus tr

he joked about being an easy target and that's scummy or something

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:17 am Also to your other question I’ve seen gira as maf only once and I don’t remember much but it seemed like he really hated it with every fiber of his being

i'm actually fairly tryhard as scum generally but in the game you're referring to i couldn't keep up with EM hyperposting meta + the thread being like 80 pages already when i subbed in or something. Haven't really drawn scum in a fast-paced 48/24 game so don't really know how I'd fare though. Would probably hate playing it here because eventually games get too much meta that makes it impossible to misyeet people.

dunno I'm just being my usual town self, kinda funny that the EM people are afraid to have a read on me out of, like, residual reputation or something

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:33 am I’d guess on Gira as town. Would like a more comprehensive view from them.

If Gira is town, Alison’s votes are bad. So that’s a thing. I think she was supposed to be voting me rn.

i had inferred a few possible motivations for her voting me and was mostly waiting to see how things would shake out.

was possible she was testing me to see if i'd blow up like in baby mafia, also possible that she was pushing me as scum hoping i'd blow up and she could use that reaction against me. at any rate, that wasn't going to happen this game and it doesn't look like she's testing me. so the simpler answer is that she's just someone who reflexively hates my posts for whatever reason. this is similar to how anne used to treat me in games.

i don't love her having an overconfident PoE on day 1 while claiming to have essentially skimmed, but i have a bias toward thinking the hard tunnel on me is town

dunno

enjoying one of the season's great pleasures: coffee with eggnog

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:09 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:02 am I skipped all the long posts with huge quotes on this page.

Wilgy esooa falcon splints illario LC spf all town just kill everyone else for a free win. See you guys in a day or two.

pretty much my entire poe is in here so that's a problem.

That's why you aren't in my townlist

i thought i'd TMI'd him though

y a w n

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:21 am ok im going to watch friends

#582 is weird to me but probably town indicative. i consistently get the vibe that gira doesn't really like me and it comes off with, like, everything he says, so i'd definitely expect v!him to be like "ok id expect to tr X more than alexa".

bbl

i have nothing against you ftr i just don't townread you this game. am saying my assessment of your argument is influenced by my pre-existing bias

i also think the chance you go over day 1 is ~nil and probably don't actually need to directly read you to figure the game out

i feel like spf comes off better than alexa in their argument, but of course i would think that. ultimately what she's arguing about is always "true" from her perspective regardless of alignment so she's always going to be able to say things that make sense so not really that productive of an argument. i do slightly townlean her but not enough to feel it gives me a clearer picture of the game


nanook is the player i wish i could be

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:45 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:43 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:09 pm Also her sus'ing me for townreading Alexa when she knows how I am when she's in the game is wolfy as all hell.

yeah i think this is the real issue here to be honest - you dont think that i could be reasonably suspicious of you for making a post that sounded super trustworthy of alexa on page 1 so you confirmation biased yourself into reading the rest of my posts as wolfy

Not really, you just had a ton of posts that included shading and scumreading. Even if you take the posts where you're shading me out, and you still have more scumreads in your iso than townreads.

dont actually think thats a scumtell

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:56 pm has nanook made any good posts yet?

right now i'm pretending i'm not going to sheep mac onto him at deadline

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:08 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:59 pm town: mac, lime coke, falcon, esooa

in order of confidence

two more and the game becomes easy

Put Alexa in towns and you're on your way to having a correct solve.

but i don't waaaaaaaaaaaaaaanaaaaaaaaaaa

town: mac, lime coke, falcon, esooa

in order of confidence

two more and the game becomes easy

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:38 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:34 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:03 pm after some cursory research i have decided fingersplints is all right so far, enough for a town lean

Lmao what research was done?

checked some recent games (2 town and 1 scum)

Who else have you done this research?


Why fingers?

only person in the game i haven't played with like i said, posting style struck me as serious and literal minded, wanted to get a sense for how they play

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:34 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:03 pm after some cursory research i have decided fingersplints is all right so far, enough for a town lean

Lmao what research was done?

checked some recent games (2 town and 1 scum)

he's town because he's bringing the heat

lime coke probs town for confidence or whatever

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:49 pm wait, have you two played together? this comes as a surprise to me lol

in both my games on here, baby mafia/traitors for exile (both heists). former he was town, latter he was a traitor although that setup wasn't even mafia so it barely counts. still, was a lot more opinionated as town

the more generic non-meta version of this read is it feels like he believes the things he's been saying even if i don't agree with the thought

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:48 pm i play the exact same every game

badly

i play the exact same every game

cool

mac's town

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:45 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:42 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:41 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:07 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:06 pm also can more people announce their votes please

I know right I looked at the poll to vote Dizzy and saw they were silently voting me to which I REALLY voted Dizzy hard

Is there a difference between hard votes & soft votes?

the emotion I feel when clicking the button

Towny response IMO

Mannn I’m really not seeing the falcon trs, like this response feels pmuch nai from esooa (I think she had other posts that I would mention before this one when I’m thinking of towny replies from her this game). And dizzys earlier post that falcon called wolfy also felt like a very nai post to comment on. Does anyone who tr him feel relatively confident in the read? I thought his involvement and him actively posting might be towny for him but I don’t really vibe with the actual content of his posts

i think the ~spirit~ is what counts for him

after some cursory research i have decided fingersplints is all right so far, enough for a town lean

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:59 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:34 pm also SO many people townread alison in the last 4 pages for ???? reasons that im tempted to call her threadspewed

Wait really? I thought you of all people, for a very specific reason, would understand why I found alisons first post to be towny

i want to call this towny