The Syndicate

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:55 pm i honestly feel bad about it i just cant fuckin connect

maybe it'll take me a Night phase idk

im just
here

idk
hi

If it helps, I feel disconnected from the game, but it's because my brain is fried for completely unrelated reasons.

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:58 pm @c4e5g3d5 that is the progression case. what the hell happened to make you 180 your read on spf that suddenly

Her posting got better

I have the sudden premonition that I'm getting hit with a progression case

Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:31 pm below this spoiler is the meat of alison's exchange with dya during the seth shit d1; dya was the main person accusing them of being w/v

Spoiler: show

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:50 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:49 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:47 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:46 pm i think it's w/v

Why can't it be V/V?

because neither of you are villagery. you least of all

Let's say I flip green right now and my arguments that Gavial has been essentially NAI this game are proven to be made in good faith. Are you going to treat him as outed wolf because we're "W/V"?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:55 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:53 pm no, i'm going to treat him as a wolf because his iso in that other game is a lot villagerier than this game and it's not just about whether he posts or not?

why would you flipping green mean you were right on gavial? you've already shown me you can't compare likes

I mean it sounds like you've already made up your mind that we're both wolfy and you're confbiasing the hell out of it then.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:06 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:57 pm you showed me a village game of gav's. that's not his behavior here. therefore he's wolfy rn

you have shown me you're not really paying attention to the game but you're making hard conclusions on it. I'm not sure you give a fuck about this game rn but the thoughts you're providing to the thread are really shallow for you. therefore, you're being wolfy

those things exist no matter what. is it now conf bias to have reads on people?

i'm going to bed

Just to clarify because there's been a lot of talk about how different Gavial was between that game and this. I am not saying that Gavial is exactly the same between that game and this. I actually townread Gavial confidently for being different from Fallout 2 (where he was a wolf) in that game and here I am NAI on him. I am using that link to demonstrate that he can engage in some of the behaviors you're scumreading him for even when he is town. For instance, Amy wrote that she felt that Gavial was just faffing about and doesn't really care about deeply engaging with other players. That's something I think he did in Double Elimination as well, he just pushed his own concerns, told people to fuck off when they were scumreading him and didn't really care to realtime with them or try to seriously evaluate them.

I don't think it's fair or accurate to accuse me of not paying attention to the game. I don't think my thoughts have been shallow at all, and yes I think you're confbiased because you've said that if I were to flip town you wouldn't take my reads and thoughts into account at all. Which is literally confbias, refusing to update your beliefs in light of new evidence.

below THIS spoiler is the exchange she had with c4; c4 was the main person accusing them of being w/w

Spoiler: show

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:40 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:38 pm c4's treatment of me is so disingenuous that I'm just going to vote him.

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

You really think I can do something like this as a wolf?

Yes obviously.

Mostly I just feel like your attacks on me have been opportunistic timing-wise and not really reflective of how things went down.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:44 pm What exactly have you done that's out of your wolfrange c4?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:48 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:44 pm What exactly have you done that's out of your wolfrange c4?

This whole damn game

You saw me freeze on every single push I ever made in CoV
You saw me do jack shit to advance jack shit from my worldview in CoV
You saw me shamelessly TMI every controversial name in CoV

How tf

I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm scumreading you because you're trying to push a very wrong narrative about me.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:58 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:53 pm I caught you in COV because you had terrible associatives with MR. I did not note any particular "freezing" in your pushes or any lack of advancing your worldview. You kinda openwolfed in COV which is why you were caught by association with a red flip, and you pushing me for really bad reasons here is entirely compatible with that play.

"You were wolfy in these two games so they're the same" smh

So is the team exactly me/dya/spf/Zack if the reasons are that bad then? Or is there something specific about the way I did it?

I think you've pushed the narrative that I am trying to protect Gavial because I'm W/W with him the hardest, which I think is pretty blatantly untrue in both senses. The others may be concerned about my alignment, but they're at least trying to figure me out/reason with me, whereas you're just, like, letting other people pile on and then pointing a finger and going "Alison is so wolfy smhsmh".

i think she reacts pretty strongly to both accusations

Those are so different lolwut

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:18 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:16 pm Anyway,

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:01 pm Alison reacted viscerally to me calling her/Seth w/w, and barely reacted to the myriad of others calling her/Seth w/v. If Alison's a wolf, the w/v accusations are the actually threatening ones. With how raw and immediate the reaction was, Alison's probably just town that thought I was setting her up for Seth flipping red.

@Amy @bronana @dyachei @Dyslexicon @staypositivefriend

Reads of this length are my favorite
They're long enough to thoroughly get the point across, but they're short enough that you can just... chuck them at people ya know?

Devil's advocate:
Her having a different reaction may be the relevant thing here though.
If both w/w and w/v are wrong, why not react viscerally to both?

Uh...

She thinks the way I did it specifically was the worst?
She's leaning Seth w by a bit but hasn't said it yet?

Don't have one solid explanation, but it seems a lot more plausible than Alison wearing TMI goggles and having the exact wrong kneejerk reaction.

Anyway,

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:01 pm Alison reacted viscerally to me calling her/Seth w/w, and barely reacted to the myriad of others calling her/Seth w/v. If Alison's a wolf, the w/v accusations are the actually threatening ones. With how raw and immediate the reaction was, Alison's probably just town that thought I was setting her up for Seth flipping red.

@Amy @bronana @dyachei @Dyslexicon @staypositivefriend

Reads of this length are my favorite
They're long enough to thoroughly get the point across, but they're short enough that you can just... chuck them at people ya know?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:38 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:30 pmLack of a townread. Also lots of big wtf is this guy doing moments, but I haven't put in the work to figure out if they're AI.

To be diligent, what are those wtf moments?

Whatever weird thing you were doing EoD1 that I already forgot about. As you can tell, due diligence is an alien concept to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:38 pm Alison is suspect because her posts feels unfocused and she has done a thing of suspecting people and walking back on it, which I've seen her do lots as mafia. (I haven't actually read this, but it was referred to on D2).

I get all that, but I also think I have a pretty strong reason she's town.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:38 pm I don't think I can read SPF well. I just haven't made my mind up. Her posts are probably fine and doubt is more paranoia, probably.

She's playing by discovery this game, and it's usually very easy to tell when she isn't. Her thoughts are fluid and mercurial at the same time, and she's putting her whole brain in the thread, and she's doing so much of it so fast that I'm basically just electing to forget she exists.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:38 pm Subae, I just don't know well. I don't really have gripes, just a feeling of not getting a grasp of.

I don't know the guy either. I think he's putting an overwhelming amount of town perspective in the thread, don't know how else to say it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:01 pm @sunbae @c4e5g3d5

Both of you have me in your PoE as far as I can tell, but I have not seen you talk about me in a meaningful way at all.
Is my placement around PoE a lack of a town read, or is there active suspicion on your part?

Lack of a townread. Also lots of big wtf is this guy doing moments, but I haven't put in the work to figure out if they're AI.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:01 pm I have not played with either of you before. What are you doing to solve my alignment here, and is there anything I can do to help with this?

I guess just... talk about things?

My top tier werewolf strategy is "inject entire worldview into SoD wall then fall asleep for 48 hours", so that list still represents my worldview for the most part. Kinda looking like I'll actually need to think about whether to give Zack a pelt for multiple seconds, which is annoying, but I pretty much stand by the rest. Oh and also that was pre-Marl derp, so adjust that.

So I guess the major differences between our lists are Alison, spf and sunbae? Wanna talk about those?

Back
There were a good few walls that I looked at blankly for thirty seconds before reading the cliffs or the stuff about me and moving on
Someone tell me if they have one they want me to read badly
Ask nicely and I just might

Marl isn't the derpclear we need, but the derpclear we deserve.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:56 am mildly townleans kza on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 68#p797968 due to the similarity of their posts to CoV. (i'd like c4 to expand on that a little bit, because i thought KZA was playing pretty distinctly from CoV, and it was part of the reason why i wolfread them on d1).

I remember in CoV there were one or two breaks in KZA's shitposting where he dropped semi-serious reads in an idgaf'y way that kinda looked like his first few posts here. That's pretty much it.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:56 am asks if he should bother developing a read on KZA on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 31#p800131. agrees that KZA should be killed next on https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 39#p800139. (why did c4 think this when he had KZA in his list of mild townleans earlier in the day?)

Didn't agree he should, don't see how you're getting that, just realized he would and saved myself the time.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:32 am @c4e5g3d5 You were making these weird a aA or something reads on day 1. I thought your later reads / readlist would make it obvious why you were doing that, but they didn't. What was up with that?

Not entirely sure what you're asking?

They were just readlists, like I said
And now I have other readlists so I don't really get what kinda followup were you looking for?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:40 am This is a really dumb thought, but what are the odds of more than one wolf having lower wim in this playerlist? (KZA was either wimless or terrible at wolfing. Or both.) I have no experience with most of the players here. Who would you consider the best / highest-WiM wolves on this playerlist?

Wanna say Alison Dizzy Zack or smth

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:56 pm Overall, c4 has an inconsistent POV on Gavial that leaves me utterly confused. The highlight of it is the post where he claims Gavial V means Alison W Dya V. He never corrects himself on this, never treats it like a joke, doesn't PHRASE it like a joke, so I assume he meant it.

LOL
The joke was that Seth is always wrong.

But also read my sig





PoE is

Arete
Dizzy Visor
Amy dya

until I go back and make sure that Zack's actually spewed
Visor highly unlikely with how he's pushing Amy/dya

Waiting for spf's word vomit of an Alison case so that I can confbias the whole thing

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:07 pm shut up about godreads

SHUT UP ABOUT GODREASD

Godreads suck unless they're from <insert name of speaker>.

I see the wolves killed this game's spf """"godreader"""" and now everyone's running around like headless chickens screaming "how do we read spf onoz"

The answer is that you sheep the living spf godreader
And the living spf godreader says she's town

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:31 pm 0 wolves hype: Outed Wolf, Arete, Dya
1 wolf hopefully: SPF, c4, Bronana, Amy
POE: Chloe, dsyl, nutella, marl, alison

That's definitely not 13 players

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:32 pm i can't wrap my head around alison believing the bronana/sunbae/outed wolf "wagon" on nutella from page 2 or whatever can't be pure, but also not seeming to have much problem with any of us three and not digging into us either?

it's just strange

Like I said

It is
But Alison's said weirder shit

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:39 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:38 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:32 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:31 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:30 pm @c4e5g3d5

you had no response to the fact I didn't actually end on alison. that was part of your case against me. does that change anything for you to realize I was on gav?

Not really, that strengthens it if anything.

how does it strengthen it when it was part of your case i was off wagon?

that makes no fucking sense

My case was that you still wanted Seth D1 Alison D2 because you didn't do anything to sway thread momentum onto Alison there and you were happy to let the Seth shit happen. You ending on Alison only served as an extra point to show you wanted Alison next.

Without that, there's slightly less evidence that you wanted Alison next, but there's still plenty of that in your readlist. What that provides, however, is a hell of a lot more evidence that you wanted to kill Seth first.

i tried getting people on alison all day. are you fucking kidding me?

all I did was try and get people on alison. I didn't have the influence in thread for it

Well I can definitely relate to a lack of thread influence lol

So I can definitely lighten up on any talk of "you didn't put Alison's head on a spike"
But that still leaves a lot to be desired

You decide that one of them's town
You attack Alison
You vote Alison
You put Alison at the bottom of your list
And up to now I was vaguely gesturing that you were fine with Seth going over anyway because you didn't go for Alison's throat hard enough, but thanks to this fact that you've brought to my attention, I now know that you ended on Seth.

You know what that adds up to? Not "I couldn't get my way because town put me in the timeout corner", but "one of you is town and fuck if I know or care who".

It takes a good few hoops to explain that coming from town. You know what doesn't take a good few hoops to explain?

(This is all without factoring in your complete lack of any kind of passion dealing with either of them, but that could easily just be a personality/misreading thing.)

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:32 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:31 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:30 pm @c4e5g3d5

you had no response to the fact I didn't actually end on alison. that was part of your case against me. does that change anything for you to realize I was on gav?

Not really, that strengthens it if anything.

how does it strengthen it when it was part of your case i was off wagon?

that makes no fucking sense

My case was that you still wanted Seth D1 Alison D2 because you didn't do anything to sway thread momentum onto Alison there and you were happy to let the Seth shit happen. You ending on Alison only served as an extra point to show you wanted Alison next.

Without that, there's slightly less evidence that you wanted Alison next, but there's still plenty of that in your readlist. What that provides, however, is a hell of a lot more evidence that you wanted to kill Seth first.

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:30 pm @c4e5g3d5

you had no response to the fact I didn't actually end on alison. that was part of your case against me. does that change anything for you to realize I was on gav?

Not really, that strengthens it if anything.

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:28 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:13 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:11 pm You know those movies where one of the cool kids befriends a loser nerd and they find out they've got a lot in common and are pretty cool

And then the loser nerd sees their new cool friend out in public hanging out with their other cool friends and goes up to say hi

and the cool kid, in an effort to stay cool, just basically punks the loser nerd/ignores them like "lol who tf are you"

and the loser nerd is pretty bummed about it

i am the loser nerd and not the cool kid

...what is this about? did you want to talk about something?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:11 pm c4's righteous indignation at not having his thoughts properly considered is villagery

why would people consider an overnight wall that didn't take the flips into account. I don't understand the point of those.

oh lol, no

i waved at someone i knew in the parking lot when i was grabbing food just now and got absolutely no sold and was poking fun at myself for it

Fuck
Gotta dumpster that cheesy pocket post
Why

Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:20 pm Regarding my Alison stuff yesterday - I alluded to this earlier, but I think it's premature to accuse me of trying to set up consecutive flips given that I, uh, literally haven't pushed Alison at all today. Obviously yeah my take yesterday was that I thought her stuff regarding Gav's meta made it look like she had TMI, but 48 hours is a lot of time and a lot of people seem to disagree with me (and also disagree with my current townread of dya, who is Alison's main pusher, which is not a fact that is lost on me).

I mean, it could easily just be that you thought it would be viable in the future way back then but don't think so anymore. Which wouldn't be an unreasonable conclusion.

Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:20 pm What do you mean when you say I was being "deliberately obtuse" though? I thought my stance was pretty clear - Alison made a point that I thought was incongruous with how things actually appeared, and suggested that the perception gap may be due to TMI on her part. Help me see what I'm not understanding here.

You saying that Alison thought the two Seth ISOs were the same after all the clarification in the world
And like I said
You insisting that's what she """"implied""""

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:11 pm You know those movies where one of the cool kids befriends a loser nerd and they find out they've got a lot in common and are pretty cool

And then the loser nerd sees their new cool friend out in public hanging out with their other cool friends and goes up to say hi

and the cool kid, in an effort to stay cool, just basically punks the loser nerd/ignores them like "lol who tf are you"

and the loser nerd is pretty bummed about it

i am the loser nerd and not the cool kid

Loser nerd corner

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:04 pm can someone who scumreads amy break it down for me? what's her scummiest post? what's the most suspicious thing about her? it seems the consensus is shifting a little bit wrt to how she's being perceived, and i'm a little confused about where that's coming from

I
...
I had a whole fuckin
...
And then that other post where I
...
smh

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:02 pm I'm not sure why amy and dya have to be aligned with each other at all

Any two given wolves have a pretty high chance of being aligned IMO

"c4 getting tilted at people agreeing with him completely but not acknowledging his existence"

Game's in auto

Guys I think Alison and Seth might not be w/w

In all seriousness, Alison reacted viscerally to me calling her/Seth w/w, and barely reacted to the myriad of others calling her/Seth w/v. If Alison's a wolf, the w/v accusations are the actually threatening ones. With how raw and immediate the reaction was, Alison's probably just town that thought I was setting her up for Seth flipping red.

And with that in mind, reread the environment around the Alison/Seth situation. That was a planned 1-2 punch every time. The wolves wanted Alison next. Everyone who was pushing the dichotomy gets the stink eye, and that's pretty much exactly just Amy and dya.

Amy straight up says Alison's next if Seth flips green, which is hilarious in hindsight. She clings to the """"implications"""" of Alison pulling up the other ISO more than anyone else in a way that looks deliberately obtuse. To her credit, her treatment of Alison looks dynamic in a believable way. It's just that the actual things she says are scummy.

dya unaligns Alison and Seth almost immediately, ends with Alison at the bottom of their list, ends with their vote on Alison, and does nothing anywhere to get momentum off of Seth and onto Alison, or to find the townie in the two. Granted an Alison CFD was probably unlikely there, but they almost seem to backseat encourage the Seth wagon at the same time, which makes even less sense. Textbook opportunistic dichotomy.

Won't miss either, but [VOTE: dyachei] aubergine has fewer redeeming qualities.

I don't have a nutella read, and from what I know about nutella, I probably don't need one. If this whole thread says she's always town, she's probably always town.

@Alison I read your Visor read ten times forward and backward and don't get your confidence.
@Vulgard I read your Tang read ten times forward and backward and don't get your confidence.
I sorta get the Dizzy townread but don't see why it can't just be a wolf doing random shit for fun.

Alison nut spf sunbae Vulgard
Arete Chloe Marl
Dizzy Hally Visor Zack
Amy dya

Tiers unordered. And of course Hally and Zack go straight up to the top if KZA flips red.

Lol I got 50 extra posts and I probably won't even hit the normal cap

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:57 pm I dunno how to read C4

Still don't think dya is villagery

I become obvious at the exact first minute of D2

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:51 pm Hey Amy, I remember you leaving me out of your PoE a while ago, but I don't remember you giving an actual read on me before or after that. Sup?

@Amy in case you missed it

2 mins gogogo

Hey Amy, I remember you leaving me out of your PoE a while ago, but I don't remember you giving an actual read on me before or after that. Sup?

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:43 pm I read it as "I have meta on gavial" -> "I have zero confidence in reading gavial" -> "you're all wrong about gavial, he's town"

it doesn't make much sense to me

Huh? He said he was reading the thread's treatment of Seth, not Seth himself.

sunbae wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:40 pmc4: outed wolf

No that's Visor
I would never join a game under two accounts

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:37 pm amy

I remember asking why all the Amy townreads a while ago and getting radio silence
Wanna tell me what I'm so blatantly missing tomorrow?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:40 pm arete

...considering

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:38 pm i wanna use up all 100 of my posts but i dont even know what else to say

You could respond to my prompt

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:36 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:35 pm spf sunbae Vulgard 3/3 core
nut prolly threadspewed
Couldn't give fewer shits about dya unless Seth flips green
Couldn't give fewer shits about Hally and Zack unless KZA flips green

Alison
Amy
Arete
Dyslexicon
Marluxion
outed wolf
Tangrowth

Someone gimme their most urgent legacy top townie in that bunch

amy

Imagine that legacy

spf sunbae Vulgard 3/3 core
nut prolly threadspewed
Couldn't give fewer shits about dya unless Seth flips green
Couldn't give fewer shits about Hally and Zack unless KZA flips green

Alison
Amy
Arete
Dyslexicon
Marluxion
outed wolf
Tangrowth

Someone gimme their most urgent legacy top townie in that bunch

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:24 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:22 pm Caught up
Someone tell me if I actually need to bother developing a KZA read this cycle
Or ever

Nope

Assuming gav is the chop, regardless of the flip vig should blast kza imo

Cool, what I had in mind.

Caught up
Someone tell me if I actually need to bother developing a KZA read this cycle
Or ever

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:00 am Don’t push Alison though please.
Probably Town.
Better to push Dya.

If Seth v then Alison w dya v

Oh and spf's town lol

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:38 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:58 pm dya v for thinking the scumreads on them are unfair

Why do you think this? Your takes have been fine so far, but this one stands out as unjustified to me.

Because correct scumreads aren't unfair duh. Apparently everything is NAI meta though.

Anyone acting like anyone's treatment of Seth is unaligning in any way is silly. He's fucked, plain and simple, and his partners can treat him however the hell they want to because it's all inconsequential. Does anyone really think anyone else thinks there's pelt cred there?

The converse, though?

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:04 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:02 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:44 pm maybe stop trying to tell me how to play a light fucking game

Someone tell me if dya has any kind of history taking criticism to their wolf game personally

^
Dya

I don't care about dya today at all unless someone has a real silver bullet of a case on them.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:58 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:53 pm I caught you in COV because you had terrible associatives with MR. I did not note any particular "freezing" in your pushes or any lack of advancing your worldview. You kinda openwolfed in COV which is why you were caught by association with a red flip, and you pushing me for really bad reasons here is entirely compatible with that play.

"You were wolfy in these two games so they're the same" smh

So is the team exactly me/dya/spf/Zack if the reasons are that bad then? Or is there something specific about the way I did it?

I think you've pushed the narrative that I am trying to protect Gavial because I'm W/W with him the hardest, which I think is pretty blatantly untrue in both senses. The others may be concerned about my alignment, but they're at least trying to figure me out/reason with me, whereas you're just, like, letting other people pile on and then pointing a finger and going "Alison is so wolfy smhsmh".

I can't tell if this is what you actually mean, but no, my role in this momentum wasn't passive in the slightest.

"You should've tried to figure me out" won't get us anywhere. When I try to figure a player out in a game of mafia, I do it by reading their posts and then stating a read on them. "You should've reasoned with me first" won't get us anywhere. I could say the same about this entire list to Seth, and about, well, most reads in general.

So do you actually just wanna have some kinda fireside chat with me? Damn coulda just asked. About to fall asleep rn though so maybe tomorrow afternoon?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:53 pm I caught you in COV because you had terrible associatives with MR. I did not note any particular "freezing" in your pushes or any lack of advancing your worldview. You kinda openwolfed in COV which is why you were caught by association with a red flip, and you pushing me for really bad reasons here is entirely compatible with that play.

"You were wolfy in these two games so they're the same" smh

So is the team exactly me/dya/spf/Zack if the reasons are that bad then? Or is there something specific about the way I did it?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:48 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:44 pm What exactly have you done that's out of your wolfrange c4?

This whole damn game

You saw me freeze on every single push I ever made in CoV
You saw me do jack shit to advance jack shit from my worldview in CoV
You saw me shamelessly TMI every controversial name in CoV

How tf

I have no idea what you're talking about.

What

Above: "What have you done that's out of your wolfrange?"
Middle: "Here's what I've done that's out of my wolfrange."
Below: "I have no idea what you're talking about."

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:48 pm What on earth does freezing on every single push you made or advance jack shit from your worldview even mean

It means freezing every time I make a push and not actually trying to make anything happen that would be good in my worldview what else

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:44 pm What exactly have you done that's out of your wolfrange c4?

This whole damn game

You saw me freeze on every single push I ever made in CoV
You saw me do jack shit to advance jack shit from my worldview in CoV
You saw me shamelessly TMI every controversial name in CoV

How tf

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:40 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:38 pm c4's treatment of me is so disingenuous that I'm just going to vote him.

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

You really think I can do something like this as a wolf?

Yes obviously.

Except you're one of the people here who's actually seen me wolf
How tf

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:38 pm c4's treatment of me is so disingenuous that I'm just going to vote him.

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

You really think I can do something like this as a wolf?

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:31 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:04 pm Hey @Tangrowth, I read all the words in your wall, whether or not I absorbed any of it. I saw you wanted to figure out our reads differences, though. What reads you wanna sort out?

That would be awesome! I have no idea what your time zone is (I’m on phone), um, maybe we can regroup with new reads lists either in like a handful of hours or in like 15 or so, or we can not real-time and just say some things back and forth, anything works really. Let me look again after I catch back up and see what names are the most notable or urgent.

I'm EST. Gonna be busy most of tomorrow morning. The latter would probably be more doable for me.

Yeah Alison's whole treatment of the Seth conversation looks like a whole bunch of steer first, actually evaluate Seth later. Irresponsile at best, hard agenda'd at worst.

That is shockingly w/w.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.

Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.

dya v for thinking the scumreads on them are unfair

Hey @Tangrowth, I read all the words in your wall, whether or not I absorbed any of it. I saw you wanted to figure out our reads differences, though. What reads you wanna sort out?

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:17 pm Plus any random grouping of five players has approximately a 75% chance of having at least one wolf, if my math is right.

Spoiler: show

1 - (13 / 17)^5 = 73.85% of at least one wolf

if you want to assume "I am town and I am not one of those five players" = 1 - (12 / 16)^5 = 76.3% of at least one wolf

There are some underlying assumptions about votes on a wagon being independent events which isn't really true, but whatever, close enough. Been awhile since I took any stats or probability courses though. Yes this a useless post a wolf could easily make, sue me.

Just gotta pop in with even more wolfy IIOA to say that players' alignments aren't independent so it would actually be

1- (13/17) * (12/16) * (11/15) * (10/14) * (9/13) = 56.1%

Since spf posted her own spf reading guide, here's my less boring spf reading guide from the same game. Spoiler alert, it worked.

Marluxion wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:09 pmsorry dHAA

dya
Hally
Alison
Amy