The Syndicate

@Wisp
Look at it this way.

Lime Coke SR’ed me from the start but TR’ed me after because they realized Alison is scum and I was pushing Alison and the way I was doing that Lime Coke realized it cleared me.

I also was the one to point out to yeet within Lime and Alison as if left alive only hurts the game state and even Alison the wolf agreed with this.

If you think about it, Alison was probably thinking about doing the same thing with you Day 1 but killed Nanook to frame LC and Nanook would probably CFD Alison if left alive.

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:25 pm we are all alive because we are optimal mislynches in every world
Falcon was the only person that wasn't pretty obvious to everyone but maybe Misery

Falcon was killed because they vote Gira or Alison the next day always.
So why would I kill them if I’m wolf?

But fortunately (or unfortunately?) Alison is wolf with Esooa.

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:23 pm I am serious when i say rn that I don't know why Alison is alive if she and tess aren't w/w due to things I have talked with Esooa about before

I’d honestly expect Town!Alison to be Esooa’s first choice of kill.

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:21 pm I'm aligned with alison just as much as you are

and if you are then I don't even know why i play mafia anymore

I ain’t never aligned with Alison.
I’m not pushing too little nor am I pushing too much.

If I was scum with them I would do 1 of the 2 and I’m going mid ground on them and pushing just the right amount.

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:21 pm Gavial I wouldn't crossvote a teammate at lylo and I would think that Alison would have enough pull to go anywhere else if i was teamed with her.

Not necessarily.
Bussing your buddy in F5 especially in Alison’s position is actually a very good play.
They are otherwise in a bad position not doing it and become in a way better position doing it.

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:20 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:18 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:16 pm I buy it

Who's up to cfd Gavial

So let me ask you something.
What makes you not aligned with Alison?

this is a joke right

Why?
Why is it so unlikely that your scum with Alison?

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:16 pm I buy it

Who's up to cfd Gavial

So let me ask you something.
What makes you not aligned with Alison?

No but in all honesty I’ll try to ISO dive Alison for comparisons to prove they are aligned with Tess.

Since Gira ISO dived me. When in all honesty, Alison should have.

Wisp is also survivor so leave him alone.
He’s mine!

And if your asking how I showed up as “No visit” to Tracker.


I have Ninja.

I’m Serial Killer that killed Nanook Night 1.
Also received a Cop I used on Alison and it came up Red.

Alright I admit it I confess

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:25 am I had a dream that someone named fosse replaced into unwnds spot in this game and everyone was like

"Since when was unwnd in this game???"

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:07 am I'm not siding with Mizery, it's very evident in my conclusions last night

@Alison
He’s saying that I’m too good of a town that I make my alignment very obvious.

Miz and You could both be scum technically, but so could You and Gira.

It’s more like wisp is or at least I am trying to piece together which of the two is your buddy so neither of Me/Wisp will make the wrong choice in F3.

@Alison
Do you know how bad you sound right now?
Your using close to the same reasons you did on Lime Coke.
You’d think you would be more cautious and have learnt the lesson not to repeat the same mistake.
But your gonna vote someone for making bad plays regardless of alignment and shame not only them but another person as well?

What if they happened?
Let’s pretend you weren’t wolf.
What if the team was Miz and Gira?
Would you have shamed me for voting you?

Like I’m sorry but that’s such a terrible reasoning on your behalf.
And honestly kinda Rude.

Not every player is gonna play to the level you’d wish them to play to.
Check out my last game where Falcon and LC weren’t there at the time I wish they were and flanked for most of the game.
I knew both were town and made sure they knew each other were town instead of them pushing each other.
I’m not gonna vote them out because “PL is good in LYLO” like you seem to think it is.

Now if you voted Miz due to some comparisons you found of them related to Tess then yeah.
That’s a good reason and you might take Wisp over and Wolf Win.

But I refuse to lose to a wolf that’s going on this level i a repeating pattern that I’ve called out previously to go power wolf on the win.
You ain’t doing that in my game Alison, sorry.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:37 am If you have the audacity to side with Mizery and Gavial here for the most batshit reasons ever concocted then it will be proof that I was right to vote you on Day 1 because you have been working for the wolves the entire game.

Also.
I had a ton of reasons I SR and SR’ed Alison for.
Alison decided to not respond to any of them and instead just call them as quote “batshit” and not care what I have to say.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:35 am Imagine being snowed under by Gavial because of tone when he is mech outed with someone that has quickhammered the parity cop

If I was deciding this LyLo I would have made up my mind ages ago. There's a reason I came into this day voting Mizery and it's because I know that a sane townie would never allow them to get away with that play. If you do then, well, it's not quite trolling but it is stupendously bad play.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:37 am If you have the audacity to side with Mizery and Gavial here for the most batshit reasons ever concocted then it will be proof that I was right to vote you on Day 1 because you have been working for the wolves the entire game.

Bolded is an absolute horrible scum intimidation? I wanna say is the right word.

Also, Alison as town wouldn’t repeat the same mistake they did with Lime Coke.

They know for a fact Miz can easily do this as either alignment and even if it’s bad for the game it’s also LYLO and kinda too late to vote someone out because “PL” they already sorta did that with Lime Coke.

@Wisp
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ionship%29

Look for yourself, look at Miz’s Town Game and look at the comparisons.

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:20 am @Gira
again I will say this, if you are town, go through Gavial's iso
this dude is not a wolf, I do not believe it

@Gira
If I was scum I’d have killed Wisp over Falcon here and you should realize this.

If I killed Wisp, You and Falcon just cross vote due to Falcon’s already suspicion on you.

I also guess in that world I would be scum with either Alison or Miz but the point still stands and in the case your town you should realize that I’m right about that.

Like Alison’s first thing they said didn’t need to exist since they were gonna call them town anyway.
Feels like they just wanted to get dizzy to help them agenda push.

Wait no if I recall they didn’t directly 180 it was more like:
Your town if you do this -) “:)”
Then proceeds with:
LOL actually your town anyway!

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:16 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:12 am I’d at that point just be flipping a coin to decide which is scum out of Miz and Gira.

if you make it to lylo vs Gira/Mizery
don't quick vote, I am trying to prepare you for that

Gira defending Alison here doesn't make him a wolf with her
this is the same guy that read all of Artemis and was like, "Wisp is the only one that fits the group scum"
even though a quick iso of Cuth had him hedging on literally "every single wolf"

It’s just like the way their day 1 went down with each other is what feels very off.
Not to mention the way Alison 180’ed on Dizzy seemed unnatural like scum trying to attempt pocket on a player they know is good.

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:14 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:12 am I’d at that point just be flipping a coin to decide which is scum out of Miz and Gira.

I do not coin flip lylo
I am going to win or lose this game for the entirety of town
They deserve my best

I’m saying I would probably do it if they chose to put me in LYLO instead of you because I honestly don’t know who’s more likely scum at this point.

any*

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:28 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:27 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:25 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:23 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:19 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:17 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:15 pm

not you

idk

I haven't thought abt it

uh

I wouldn't want to kill alison
or Lime
uh
idk

Awwww you shouldn't have.

Alison is soooo scum here.
Am I gonna have to make a fucking entire case on them?
Because I will.

what is the point of quoting this

When I hear Alison, I hear “Gavial tell me how they a wolf” then I proceed.

I-
that's not-
it-

This is the best I can do man.
As for interaction with me and Miz I can’t find anything that can directly clear me.

All I can say is I’ve stated why I’m town.
I’ve stated serval times since basically Day 1 why Alison is scum and kept getting more and more evidence/reasons for it.

So it’s up to you now man. @Wisp

If you have an questions, feel free to ask me!

I’d at that point just be flipping a coin to decide which is scum out of Miz and Gira.

I just hope scum pulls Wisp to F3 and not me.

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:25 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:25 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:17 pm ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
i hate u all

I don’t know why your trying to vote off of Alison and LC.
Seems wolfy.

@Mizery
Can I ask why your off of Alison?
What makes you think they are town?

i switched off so i can hammer when they get in range

Needless to say they never switched back.

OMG WTF is this shit.
Why am I starting to think Alison is pulling the Buss?

Mizery wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:28 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:15 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:53 pm what if i hammer lol

Your scum lol.

what about my scum?

Im just looking back and still don’t understand what Mizery is trying to respond here.
It’s like they just don’t care about this game or something.

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:37 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:19 pm LHF’s:
Mizery
Limecoke
Tess
Maybe Ender and Falcon


They just go Limecoke, Tess and then Mizery.
Or they take a gamble in the dark and try and push Wisp.

since when is Esooa lhf what
am i missing something

Another post that makes Mizery look aligned with Tess/Alison.
TF is this shit.

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:18 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:17 am Mizery, Luck and Tesse as potential team but allot more unlikely then Dizzy/Alison having scum in it.

if that's your guess then I'd say it's dizzy

@Wisp
While I’m trying to dig through Mizery’s ISO to prove that I’m not aligned wolf with them I found this post which gives me paranoia that Alison and Mizery could be bussing each other.

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:06 am YA AND U KNOW WHAT ELSE NO ONE WOULD CONSIDER
TESS BEING THE ROLEBLOCKER

so :sticks_tongue_out:

I’m not entirely sure why they went for a fake claim cop as a Roleblocker but IMO if I was scum with Alison I’d know to keep them alive as long as I can because the longer Alison is alive the better chance at winning I’d have if they were on my team.


So with that fact it can explain why Tess did this especially considering the fact they knew EXACTLY who the PR were yet killed LUCK.
Thing is Luck was suspicious of Tess.
Mafia kills Luck to them out both of our PR’s.

Now the question is, where was Gira in all this and why wasn’t Gira a consideration?
Why did Tess not really care about Gira?

I think it makes clear sense Tess was aligned with Gira and Alison although I can’t really say anything because from my perspective that’s the case here. (Unless of course the big brain Buss happened.) so like the best I can do here wolf is explain to you how much Tess is aligned with Alison and Gira.

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:54 pm I'll be honest here, Arrow does not feel aligned with Tess

That’s because I’m not.

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:26 pm @Gavial
was Luck in your cult?

Half and Half.
He was sorta in there until he started defending Alison like crazy to the point I believed Him/Alison/Gira were the wolf team.

Gira was in my cult but removed for the similar reason.
Although Gira wasn’t officially in it, I only added her in as more of a temporary thing.

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:03 pm i guess the tracker thing is a good point
unless u decided to be spicy for no reason

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:06 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:03 pm i guess the tracker thing is a good point
unless u decided to be spicy for no reason

They probably just had Tess carry the kill since shes outed if tracked anyway

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:09 pm Forgoing the Mafia roleblock on night 1, to hold the night kill?
forgot that was a thing

Look Wisp. Please note there is NO WAY Town Alison says this.
Alison would never consider the fact Roleblocker perform the kill over the Roleblock.

Can’t you see all Alison is trying to do is Discredit me because they basically know that that’s the only way they have a shot at power wolfing the rest of this game home.

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:58 pm where did I say they weren't a thing

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:56 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:33 pm Gavial/Mizery

Alison/Gira

Gavial/Alison
it's so weird that I can still tell myself that in wolf Alison worlds, Gavial is still a wolf, solely because of how correct he has been
but why, this game is literally free

Alison/Misery
kekw

its kinda backwards, but the more likely wolf team goes from top to bottom
still don't know what I want to write in regards to alison/Gira
but Gavial/Mizery isolated from the rest of the game, don't have anything that says, "Nope not a thing"

Why would Alison/Gira not be a thing?
They have the most scum equity with Tess.

I warned you to not let Alison live this long, they are a very good wolf.

Wouldn’t*

If it wasn’t for the fact due to how this day played out.
Me and Gira could be a thing just like Me and Mizery can.
There is nothing pinning me together with either but if you look you can notice how Gira and Alison treated each other day 1 that can hint at them being aligned with each other.

Also according to you Alison is in the more worlds so would it help if I prove to you I’m town? Because believe me I thought ive been ObvTown this entire game.
Check Wigly’s Tracker claim.
I couldn’t be mafia because I would have made the kill.

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:33 pm Gavial/Mizery

Alison/Gira

Gavial/Alison
it's so weird that I can still tell myself that in wolf Alison worlds, Gavial is still a wolf, solely because of how correct he has been
but why, this game is literally free

Alison/Misery
kekw

its kinda backwards, but the more likely wolf team goes from top to bottom
still don't know what I want to write in regards to alison/Gira
but Gavial/Mizery isolated from the rest of the game, don't have anything that says, "Nope not a thing"

Why would Alison/Gira not be a thing?
They have the most scum equity with Tess.

I warned you to not let Alison live this long, they are a very good wolf.

Well it wasn’t a full “towncore” more like a “Cult” I have and I clear and protect those in it unless it comes down to only my cult members alive or it’s MYLO/LYLO

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:12 pm @Gavial
who were the OG members of your cult?
and why was ender locked in your town-core
enough to completely disregard the fact that Tess claimed first

Nanook and Ender were in my towncore due to how they went about the thread Day 1.
Like the way Ender pushed on you originally and the Mindmelt we had on Nanook made me feel like I was definitely aligned with Ender.

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:45 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:39 pm @Gira
what do u think of Tess' earlier posts on Mizery?

Which ones in particular? Because in my Ctrl+F search they struck me as ~not particularly meaningful

if i wanted to stretch i could claim they seem partnery but in the grand scheme of things i could see it both ways so i have to be honest rather than trying to force a point

i actually think their later interactions seem a bit forced but it's not something i'd hang my hat on independent of other things in the game

Just like your interaction with Tess.

And wow.
Also your interaction with Alison.

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:14 pm Im

Not coming back to thread.

Bye

Horrible Play.
Regardless of your alignment.

If they killed Ender, Wigly would have had a track and semi-clear for us.

Ender would have also had another cop check for us because for some reason Tess was roleblocker.

If you all sheeped me not only would have Alison the Wolf went over Day 2 but Tess would have went over Day 3 and not Ender.

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:10 pm I was the second vote on tess not the 3rd though?

Why did you vote them instantly instead of using it as discussion time to figure out who Tess partners are.
(I mean it’s quite clear it’s Alison and Gira with a low chance of it being you and Alison.) but you had the time to discuss about Tess or even responding about how ashamed you feel about Ender going over but chose not to.

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:07 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:04 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:34 pm I also dont think Tess casing Gira the way they did makes them not w/w
despite what he believes

I mean a wolf team of Gira/Alison/Tess, would certainly be able to manipulate the game state

i am vociferously opposed to unnecessary bussing and at this point you'd have to believe i chose to do it with both partners for ??? reasons

look I have a very hard time reading into stuff like this, I think in certain cases, I can push harder towards one direction in terms of is this w/v, or w/w
but that post you made isn't one of them
Tess did absolutely nothing with that jab, I don't even recall them voting you
and the game state was almost always going to be LC/Alision, since nobody was trying to stop it from what I remember

your point on Tess/Alison not being W/W is a lot stronger, than that read you are using on yourself

I think Gira’s plan here is to make “fake clears” for themselves.
Not only Tess, look at Alison and Gira’s interaction and watch it both go from SR to TR for the entire rest of the game.

Seems like an easy way to hard defend your scum buddy without looking bad if you ask me.

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:59 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:33 pm it didnt matter, Tess was already going to quick hammer as soon as she got around to it
and most of Mizery's iso is just -ev town shit
another large problem in this game

@Mizery
honestly, she is right, I should fucking bury you for not only doing it once, but twice

When did i do that a second time

When you voted Tess.

The reason I voted you is because of the way you were responding to me not voting you made me know for sure “positivity” you were scum Alison.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:45 pm You don't understand that the win condition listed on the town role card is "kill all the mafia", not "keep all the town alive".

There are townies where if you kill them the game is instantly solved.

There are townies where if they are left alive they will block you from killing mafia.

It is pointless to regret killing these townies.

Sure, you can't punish everyone who does -EV shit, and you only Quick thinks they are all scum.

But at some point I reach an equanimity where I understand that their alignment doesn't matter and that the only way to advance the game in the proper direction is to kill them. It doesn't matter or not whether they are town. Being afraid to kill someone because you don't want to be embarrassed when they flip town is way more ego-driven than just mechanically executing someone because you realize it is +EV for town either way.

This is why I instructed those who believed the me/LC thunderdome was T/T to vote one of us anyway. Because guess what? We would be fucked 10x harder if LC was in this LyLo with us.

Thing is you used the “LHF” accusation already on Lime Coke.
Your just repeating yourself.

Your accusation was valid during Day 2 with Lime Coke but now your accusation doesn’t add because it’s LYLO.

You are powerwolf going through the same routine to try and win and unfortunately for you it isn’t gonna work on me.
During LYLO it isn’t about how bad someone is playing it’s about making sure your positive on them being scum and instantly voting someone immediately doesn’t really secure that position on being absolutely “positive”.