The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:11 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook
tsp is mafia god

Lol I had so much on you and more I was gonna post if I didn’t die yet I didn’t even notice you posted that.

Unless Nanook was the mafia that went to attack Mac?
But I don’t think so.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:00 pm That was surprisingly anticlimatic. 3 out of 4 Mafia died to night kill choices.
Only Nanook was actually scum read and caught.

Nanook was roleblocked by Dolby but he wasn’t the attacking mafia but could have been.
Because Dolby roleblocked Nanook it caused him to be highly likely to be executed.

Scum solved it before I did it TSP is wolf therefore Nanook is Wolf.

But I’m pretty sure I solved what Dr Wilgy is and he needs to use his action tonight as it’s crucial for us RN.

But I could just be entirely wrong on this.

Although if TSP targeted to kill me tonight and he’s wolf with Marmot it kinda makes sense why Marmot doesn’t want me to go over today.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:42 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:41 pm Ok idk what the fuck Wilgy is doing voting me but ok.
Anyway while I was working I thought of a plan to confirm Wilgy.
If Nanook is Mafia, Wilgy is always town and also confirmable buckaroni.
@sig
@falcon45ca
@Lime Coke
@Dolby
I don’t want none of you to Roleblock Wilgy tonight and Nanook needs to go over today, trust me on this.

@DrWilgy I need you to target TSP tonight, trust me.
tbh I can't tell if you want wilgy rbed or not lol

Can you not read.
I literally said Wilgy is Town so don’t Roleblock him.

I’m town but if he’s town from his PoV Marmot should not wanna kill the player who potentially protected him.

Can I just ask why Marmot voted the guy who claimed they protected him over like, me?

Ok idk what the fuck Wilgy is doing voting me but ok.
Anyway while I was working I thought of a plan to confirm Wilgy.
If Nanook is Mafia, Wilgy is always town and also confirmable buckaroni.
@sig
@falcon45ca
@Lime Coke
@Dolby
I don’t want none of you to Roleblock Wilgy tonight and Nanook needs to go over today, trust me on this.

@DrWilgy I need you to target TSP tonight, trust me.

@DrWilgy
You don’t have to but I’m afraid TSP may have targeted me or you so if you think it’s the right play vote him, if not then do elsewhere.

Dam Gavial, C’mon man if your wrong it could harm our solving technique but if your right though Gavial…. Hmmmmm this is hard.

Call me crazy that I’m still be thinking TSP/Marmot are mafia but my paranoia grows so big it’s really hard for me to look past that probability and I’m trying to just have it as just a deep probability but I actually think it’s quite likely which scares me.

Yeah as much as I wolf read Falcon, he might be town if Nanook is wolf.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:49 pm Also if Nanook is red I think that it softclears Gav and I'd have to look at the progression of the Gav wagon but iirc that means that except Marmot the Gav wagon was entirely scum-constructed

Well I mean wolves fear me, just not the way they fear other players.
They keep me alive but try and get me ML’ed.

I’m keeping my vote on Nanook.
Brings us in a better position.

I just wanna say, TSP flipping Mafia confirms Wilgy as town.

I think all 4 are probably town, least certain would probably be Guillo but I’m pretty sure all are town.

Ah I know maybe they are following the “One” game I had like Mac and Guillo did.

@Dolby
@NotAnAxehole

Like I don’t even honestly know why people think I’m wolf.
What was y’all initial reason for town reading me anyway?

I’m town so that’s not a good idea.
If I was wolf, the people who town read me wouldn’t have all dropped their town read on me.

@Marmot
Hey just a consideration.
Target me tonight to see if TSP targeted me or not.

Because for some reason Nanook seems to now most likely be aligned with TSP/Marmot over Falcon and Jack which is questionable.

What are the chances I’m wrong on Falcon and I can just never read Falcon because he keeps doing wolfy shit?

Least not a factional one.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:59 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:09 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:07 am yeah Gav I'll work with you for the moment

I'm like near collapse rn tbh

Also haven't read the most recent 400 or so posts
If TSP kills me tonight can you do me a favour and vote Falcon for me?
There is no way you believe you are night kill material after voicing intent to kill Marmot. Why would they night kill you if you are toen when you could end up doing some dirty work for them?

TSP’s Sniper shot isn’t a Night Kill LMAO.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:05 am I mean if Nanook flips green I would probably say Gav isn't a terrible lynch, but at least 1 Mafia was on Seanzie and like mac said we should probably get them out first.

Dude I’m telling you I’m town and there is a chance the other Sniper TSP is a Wolf.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:38 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:22 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:15 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:13 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:11 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:10 am Anyone in that tier I don't feel like I have a confident read on socially

That said given two medic claims Sig/Falcon probably aren't w/w since there's a greater than 50% chance they stopped a kill imo
I honestly just wanna know whom @sig protected.
I don't think that that is neccessary

Like, yes it's great if they got a correct protect, but if they claim, mafia knows whether or not they can target Marmot tonight. I personally think that it's just likeliest that Marmot or Mac were targetted and knowing another protection probably wouldn't help
Yes but my theory is Marmot/Falcon/TSP wolf team.

Meaning if that is the case. (I as I said before can be wrong about that hunch but still) Falcon’s protect us Fake and Sig has the real clear.
Is this not just tmi that the kill wasn't block and it hit a protect?
If anything that would imply the opposite since he is saying that the kill wasn't stopped by Doctor and the Mafia just flat out chose not to kill.
Marmot/Falcon/TSP can literally never be a wolf team and the Mafia failed to kill last night.
Unless one of the Pyros redirected a roleblock to Marmot, Falcon, or TSP. I mean Wiggly will never tell us, and the other pyro either didn't redirect it or just doesn't care to say they did in which case probs just mafia.

No trust me.
Marmot/TSP/Falcon is possible LP.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:07 am Silly question Gav. Townspeople fake stuff all the time.

Yeah but this is Falcon we are talking about.

Why are you defending him anyway?

Also I’m pretty sure Martin is cleared. Well not really but he is the other engineer and I know roles don’t mean anything but out of all roles that mafia can have he’s the least dangerous one for them especially considering Sabie was already one.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:15 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:13 am Although I will say that TSP above Marmot is weird.
Like I know you really think TSP is town Dolby but he shouldn’t be above Marmot.
Ok so basically

I don't think that he has the mech knowledge to claim right there and right then as wolf unless teammed with Marmot and idk they preplanned that bus assuming that sniper was already on Sabie

He didn’t directly claim though and technically speaking if he had to he could have denied it a bit.
He only said “Vig” he used that specific word instead of Sniper.
So it doesn’t make him super town it just makes him wanting to kill Sabie and he was briefly pushing them which I’ve played with TSP before in my very first game where we both hard bussed each other and he won F3 doing so.

Like I can definitely see him and marmot making that kinda play but I can also be terribly wrong on this so idk.

Like yeah I think Jack or Falcon needs to go tomorrow.
Because Jack being in a LYLO especially with TSP is like rough.
Like if Jack is town he probably gets ML’ed and we lose as we probably won’t vote TSP unless I’m alive which I probably won’t be.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:13 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:11 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:10 am Anyone in that tier I don't feel like I have a confident read on socially

That said given two medic claims Sig/Falcon probably aren't w/w since there's a greater than 50% chance they stopped a kill imo
I honestly just wanna know whom @sig protected.
I don't think that that is neccessary

Like, yes it's great if they got a correct protect, but if they claim, mafia knows whether or not they can target Marmot tonight. I personally think that it's just likeliest that Marmot or Mac were targetted and knowing another protection probably wouldn't help

Yes but my theory is Marmot/Falcon/TSP wolf team.

Meaning if that is the case. (I as I said before can be wrong about that hunch but still) Falcon’s protect us Fake and Sig has the real clear.

Although I will say that TSP above Marmot is weird.
Like I know you really think TSP is town Dolby but he shouldn’t be above Marmot.

1 of the 3*

Like Falcon/Jack/Nanook always contains a wolf and I think if it’s just 1 of the 2 then Marmot/TSP is pretty likely which scares me.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:10 am Anyone in that tier I don't feel like I have a confident read on socially

That said given two medic claims Sig/Falcon probably aren't w/w since there's a greater than 50% chance they stopped a kill imo

I honestly just wanna know whom @sig protected.

If Jack is wolf he definitely really knows where to put his reads and how to go about them.

Kinda scares me tbh.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:07 am yeah Gav I'll work with you for the moment

I'm like near collapse rn tbh

Also haven't read the most recent 400 or so posts

If TSP kills me tonight can you do me a favour and vote Falcon for me?

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:06 am I think that I'm like

Dolby

TSP
Marmot

Lime Coke
LinearPoint

Guillo
NAA
Mac

Gav
Jack
Martin
Sig
Wilgy
Falcon

Nanook

Why is Martin so low?
Why is Both Medic claims low? (I understand Falcon but I heard that Sig also claimed medic so while it’s probable both can be mafia I don’t think they are likely teamed at all.)

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:07 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:45 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:41 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:38 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
So im townie because i tunneled Sabie but not for low tunneling you? So i cant be scum for hellbussing Sabie for example?
Well I know i'm civ and your reasoning for tunneling on me is god awful. Which imo is usually something mafia are more prone to do D0/1 since it lets them latch onto something, tunnel, do less gameplay wise, and then when someone misflips it's a meh.

So in theory you could be scum for bussing sabie, but given that it was Day 1, Sabie wasn't outted at that point, and there are only four mafia members hard bussins seems a bit less likely. That isn't to say no mafia members voted for her D1, but voting vs hard pushing is very different.

So I guess you'd be a slight town read? but probably my least confident one.
Im gonna pretend i dont scum read you to engage with you. Boom! That read is gone, the tunnel is vanished.

Sig, why do you think Sabie chose to chop Seanzie instead of chopping Gavial and you who were available wagons at the time?
Well, I'll break this down a few ways.

1. I don't think at that time I was a viable wagon. The only way to make it viable would've been if like all four mafia members voted for me, especially at the time she voted which was right before EOD correct? Really the only traction I was getting at that time was from You for a very bad reason, a random and unexplained vote from falcon who was flipflopping, and maybe dizzy? Really not any viable reasoning.

2. I think she 100% voted for whoever her teammates told her to vote for, If there was a genuine and active civ push onto sean at that time, which if I recall correctly there was, then it made sense to just throw the votes on there.

3. It was a cfd they don't always make sense nor are they executed perfectly, I think you might be attributing to much logic in that move.

4. I can't speak for the gavil thing, probably a better question to ask him. I will say based off his playstyle in this game I'm not reading him as mafia, even if you say she might've saved him by not voting or something I don't see that as a big enough reason to vote for him, especially since his other game play has been civvie imo.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:03 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:59 pm Fuck it.

@Jackofhearts2005

What the hell are your reads currently?

I'm afraid to even let you off the hook because I've done it twice and you end gamed and won. I'm not gonna let it happen again just because you post well in a spurt.
You’re not letting me off the hook because I post well in a spurt. You’re letting me off the hook because the only reason to suspect me is because you blocked me but if I was a wolf, I’d be unblockable anyway so there’s no reason to suspect me in the first place.

Town
Marmot
Lime
Mac
LP
Guillo
Dolby

Tony
Martin
Wilgy
Sig
Gav

Falcon
Nanook
Wolf
Wait why would you be unblockable?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:14 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:02 pm Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.
oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me
I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:15 pm “Mafia Buffs

Mercenaries who work for the mafia have more advanced equipment that grant them the following bonuses:

- Soldier: Will also learn the target’s class/color when he watches them.”

Well like….whatever. I’m still town.
Tin foil theory here, but what if jack is mafia with a mercenary and got their roles confused? Since in theory he could be submitting the roles for the entire team.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:28 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:14 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:02 pm Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.
oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me
I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.
Though pretty sure your town, however If you're not I still want one "I told you so" to everyone.

Also for real now @MacDougall

what do you think of falcon and jack?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:29 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:14 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:02 pm Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.
oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me
I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.
Every time I suspect you regardless of your alignment you always make this argument which is always incorrect as I've pushed you as town many times, and been correct many times...

I think you are sus. Not being pushed since d1 given your performance here is strongly indicative that you are mafia or the mafia would have tried to push you.

What about pushing you of all people makes me dumb? Where do you get off calling me dumb for daring to push a tepid, omgussy Sig that has been coasting?
1. I mean it's a pretty good argument to make.

2. I wouldn't say I'm being tepid what so ever, I'm making reads when I see them and asking questions. Not my fault more people aren't engaging in my reads and that the thread keeps getting derailed by dumb arguments.

3. On this whole tepid/not doing enough point we are only on D3, and D2 was a total wash, even with that I've still done more than alot of other players so kinda weak to see I'm not doing anything and being tepid.

4. Back to point 3, I don't think I'm coasting at all, I'm posting, giving my thoughts, and staying caught up which is more than some people. So don't really see where this whole coasting thing is coming from.

5. It's dumb since it"s wrong and is a lazy approach. Not really doing any work into it just asking why other people haven't voted for me and helping to set up mafia for an easy vote/mislynch.

Found 6 just from today.
@Dolby

We will have better play if we read.
So let’s work on that yes?

Then your not looking

He goes for a kill that’s good for him and his team but not suspicious to others.

If he’s wolf he probably goes like Me or Dolby.

I wanna see who he kills tonight.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:18 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:17 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:49 pm wolf team plans to bus sabie, fails to bus sabie, proceeds to bus sabie even harder is a thing I can see
So in which case you admit you and marmot are probable scum buddies?
tbh if marmot flips wolf I'll let you shoot me just on some vague principle

Bet

Or better yet, if I’m dead you promise to out yourself and surrender yourself for elimination.

Whoever is Spy, I’d consider for you to use your kill to go on Falcon or TSP.
Sig is other Medic and I’m pretty certain both Roleblocker are town.
Sig is most likely the town medic between him and Falcon so.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:55 am tbh I really disagree teh argument that Jack and Nanook are optimal bc of roleblocks

like, there are worlds where they are v/v

Also get the town AtE vibes I really can't see anything that seems town indicative from him besides that

Mhm that’s Nanook.
It’s best to prepare for the worst and have a late game team that can find the wolves the best.

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