The Syndicate

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:53 am GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Good fight surviving town people, and great finish mafia. I think the game can generally be reduced to town tinfoil being directed for good reasons at the wrong person (the case against ilario could largely be transplanted onto Dizzy, but none of us got there in time). That's a credit to the mafia team as a whole. Nice job.

hmmm thats an interesting way to look at it, and youre pretty much correct. its a shame we didnt have time to talk more on your last day. i think another lesson to take is that hammers should never be rushed on any days, town quick hammered 3-4 days in a row. even on the day we got dolby it would have been better to not rush it because i planned to be back in the second half and that would have given me and jjj time to potentially revise the poe.

both* games

lol dizzy i just realised now, but games when we mindmelded with each other one of us has been mafia...

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:57 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:56 am GG I was maf lol

Poor ilario, you broke their heart. Pretty sure.

LOL I was coming around to it yesterday but a part of me realized if NAA is town I was almost never winning this but I tried anyways and didn’t even vote when when u did

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:12 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:02 am Ilario. =(

I've been living a double life.

LOL that was wp i dont think town woulda gotten there in the end

You and soa both tried to cw falcon on d1 LOL

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:02 am Ilario. =(

I've been living a double life.

LOL that was wp i dont think town woulda gotten there in the end

@Johanna it’s important that you just go back to investigating, I want to hear your thoughts. Don’t play his stupid games

Fwiw: I advise all of town to just ignore NAAs posts, his goal is to ensue chaos if he’s mafia, which feels more and more likely, and if he’s town his goal is to just troll

You take away his power by just ignoring him until if he decides to actually gamesolve/evaluate the game

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:33 am

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:25 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:23 am

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:21 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:19 am Mostly that I have to choose between you two and I have no idea who. NAA is all over the place.

Why do you have to choose between us two? I’m much more likely to vote you than I am to vote NAA right now

And that matters how?

Well if I don’t think ur town I’m gonna push you? And that should matter to you if you’re town

I mean obviously my chop ends the game so I would rather you don't do that, but that doesn't mean you can't be town, or that you have to be a wolf.

It's really not relevant to my thought process.

Ugh the problem is, I think dizzy is town yeah I agree with you


And I think falcon is more towny than you and naa based on how scum pushes him and his posts in general

That doesn’t mean my mind is made up, and tbh I don’t expect you to have taken this angle that ur taking rn if u were mafia

So maybe I’m wrong on you? Idk. The best way for me to find you will be when you investigate, post as much of your thought process as you can while u do so, it’s important that the remaining townies be as transparent as we can with each other today

@Dyslexicon

Can u come here I neeed youuuuu

I read through ur towncase last time over and over and I came to the conclusion that I’m just going to ride or die with you. If I’m
Wrong then it is what it is and it’ll teach me to be less naive in the future. But if I lose to anyone I’d be glad it was to you. But assuming I’m not misreading you, I really would like your input on everything rn, I have some thoughts but I really want someone who isn’t a clear that’s on the same wavelength as me to discuss it all with

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:28 am Mostly I think at this point I think, I mean falcon could probably be with anyone because they have been laying low, but because of early interactions mostly I'm at thinking that ilario should have to be with dizzy, and I don't believe that he is, and on the other hand falcon/NAA make a solid couple too. Mostly I think I would rather chop falcon because of the potential interactions on either side.

Basically at this point, I'm thinking it's either ilario/dizzy or NAA/falcon and I don't think dizzy is a wolf, so therefore it has to be NAA, but I'm also wary because I haven't gone investigating yet.

wow

i did not expect you to come to that conclusion

that is interesting...

Like you bring up the point NAA is all over the place but he’s been like that the entire game. What point is there in bringing that up?

@Johanna

What concerns me is that you feel really hedgy

All your posts the last two days don’t really involve taking any stances

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:23 am

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:21 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:19 am Mostly that I have to choose between you two and I have no idea who. NAA is all over the place.

Why do you have to choose between us two? I’m much more likely to vote you than I am to vote NAA right now

And that matters how?

Well if I don’t think ur town I’m gonna push you? And that should matter to you if you’re town

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:19 am Mostly that I have to choose between you two and I have no idea who. NAA is all over the place.

Why do you have to choose between us two? I’m much more likely to vote you than I am to vote NAA right now

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:17 am So I did an exercise that should be of very limited usefulness.

I pulled up JJJ's alignment chart, I highlighted the chopped wolves and removed the flipped/poisoned townies, and it's interesting!

Like at this point it yields no compatible teams, because SoA would be compatible to Dizzy and NAA, but NAA is also the only person that JJJ thought Dolby could not be partnered with.

I did that and it's useless, but it's kind of a summary of where we were and I'm trying to look at where we are compared to it.

I appreciate jjjs work I really do, and it’s a great way to scumhunt. But the crux of using an interactions chart solely to solve the game is that all it requires is one wolf whose good at spew to throw off the accuracy of the entire data. What are your own individual thoughts? I don’t need to see people bring up dead townies reads again, I’m trying to read YOU not them.

@Johanna

What’s ur read on NAA

Actually, I started off with the questioning which led to the accusations. Because that’s how people actually scumhunt.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:13 am @ilario drop a vote

U seem eager for this dome, what happened to wanting to vote sleep so much ?

And the more Johanna sits and watches without having any input the worse she looks fmpov

For anyone who reads this later, Johanna has been here since me and NAA started speaking

Seems like ur all talk and no bark

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:07 am

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:04 am Also I remember dizzy said somewhere that he played a town game with NAA and NAA was completely wrong on everything lmao, so the fact that he’s had accurate reads at the start of the game is probably TMI because someone his caliber wouldn’t have those reads. And that’s why he’s struggled to each every read he’s given all game. He knows the reads are right, but he doesn’t know how to fake the reason as to why those reads are right

JJJ also quoted a town game where I was completely right on everything.

So then why are u struggling so much to name my partner?

U said falcon is town I agree with you

So whose the other, dizzy or Johanna? It’s 50/50 for you, where’s all your confidence gone?

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:04 am Also I remember dizzy said somewhere that he played a town game with NAA and NAA was completely wrong on everything lmao, so the fact that he’s had accurate reads at the start of the game is probably TMI because someone his caliber wouldn’t have those reads. And that’s why he’s struggled to explain every read he’s given all game. He knows the reads are right, but he doesn’t know how to fake the reason as to why those reads are right

Ebwop

Fixed a typo

The sentence is supposed to say

And that’s why he’s struggled to explain every read he’s given all game. Unlike the original where it said “each” instead of “explain”

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:03 am I misread the player I'm most familiar with in the game...

Also you?

I’m not that familiar with lc, I’m familiar with spf and I correctly read her too

Even when dizzy was paranoid about her I told him she’s probably town

I never townread
Dolby

I had him as scum

I townrrad soa, but so did spf, lc, jjj, dizzy and many other townies

I did correctly tr marmot when sloonei was pushing for him and I correctly cased marmot with actual reasoning

Also I remember dizzy said somewhere that he played a town game with NAA and NAA was completely wrong on everything lmao, so the fact that he’s had accurate reads at the start of the game is probably TMI because someone his caliber wouldn’t have those reads. And that’s why he’s struggled to each every read he’s given all game. He knows the reads are right, but he doesn’t know how to fake the reason as to why those reads are right

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:58 am @Johanna I'm trying to get Ilario to use you as a crutch as a reason to justify my PoE being wrong.

No I think you included one mafia in your poe and that mafia is Johanna and that’s why ur afraid to admit it

I was starting to come to a realization yesterday that a significant portion of why I trd NAA came from his demeanor and the general notion that scum generally don’t approach the way he has. You rarely see scums just outright behave the way he did. But then when I think about it deeper, what town ever approaches the game the way he has either? He has started unprovoked attacks on most of the lobby, and I think what we initially considered something to be alignment indicate from him could simply just personality indicative. He said himself that he’s a di ck, and that’s probably the only thing he’s said all game that I believe. So if he’s a di ck in general, why would he not behave the way he has this game as mafia?

If you track NAAs progression in his iso, the most startling thing is, there is no progression. It’s full of contradictory statements. One moment he will have sloonei or jjj as a scumread, the next post he’s solving the game with them. One moment he’s saying voting someone who isn’t there makes him feel bad, the next he’s pushing for their death before they can even come back. He’s had a very confident tr on falcon that has been unexplained the entire game and looks very pockety and wreaks of TMI because nobody in the lobby had falcon as town d1. Naa even tried to claim credit for defending sig and LC, which he really didn’t even do, his only defense of LC was when He tried to Cw JJJ and get him voted off at one point near the end of d2. I challenge anyone this entire game to find me one single thing from his iso that shows a genuine game solving process that shows proper critical evaluation or a legitimate action that was done that was entirely townsided from him. If anyone can do that I will selfvote
And elim myself. But I am confident nobody can.

U from singapore?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:46 am

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:45 am Well okay let’s say Johanna is town, then whose my partner?

You had falcon as town for unexplained reasons since d1, I assume that hasn’t changed. Are you saying dizzy is the second mafia now?

We'll get to that after your flip

Lmao

Nah, you and I both know the game ends once I die. That’s why you’re banking all your eggs in trying to get me out here. And that’s why you’re scared to name a second name to fos. You don’t want to name a town as my partner and lose a potential vote on me and you don’t want to name your own partner because you realize that I’ll just flip the narrative onto them and you’ll be exposed once you’re too afraid to vote them

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:45 am

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:44 am She’s been in ur poe for days straight

She’s present and not saying anything

And you were voting her a few hours ago

I was also voting myself today

Shoulda done that d1 lol

Well okay let’s say Johanna is town, then whose my partner?

You had falcon as town for unexplained reasons since d1, I assume that hasn’t changed. Are you saying dizzy is the second mafia now?

She’s been in ur poe for days straight

She’s present and not saying anything

And you were voting her a few hours ago

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:43 am I think Johanna is town though.

Lol

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:38 am

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:36 am Are you willing to bank the game on me and Johanna being partners?

I'm willing to play for a draw.

Lmao u can’t even answer a simple question lol

You called me and Johanna mafia

And now you’re walking back on what you said

I don’t care if you pretend like you’re playing for a draw, we both know that’s a lie

Answer my question

Am I and Johanna the scum team you’re locking in? Yes or no?

@Johanna

I see that you’re online

I want your thoughts on everything

Like, u see no other solve than this. I want you to say that

Are you willing to bank the game on me and Johanna being partners?

U haven’t answered any questions all game lol

Ur not answering my question lol

I think ur scared of evaluation because your gameplay revolves around chaos and overplaying your confidence

There is no substance behind anything you say, and if any puts even the slightest amount of critical thought to your posts they would see that

But sure let me throw you a bone

You think me and Johanna are mafia,

So that means u townread falcon and dizzy

Are you completely certain on both of those reads? If so why?

U advocate for sleep

Then u vote Johanna

And halfway through a conversation with me and dizzy you pop in to vote me, and that makes you confirmed town?

That’s not answering my question

Why are you confirmed town?

My guess is you expected me to keep pushing the dizzy/johanna poe and that’s why you opened the day saying you agree with me

But when that didn’t happen you changed course

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:36 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:36 pm I still think falcon is the most likely to be town

I'm starting to think your PoE was right, so I'm curious what Falcon thinks

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:58 am My kills right now are ilario and Johanna

Interesting

You said you ageeed with my poe and now u want to vote me

Is it because you’re afraid that me and dizzy are getting a chance to talk?

@Dyslexicon

I’m someone who gets swayed into voting against my gut from time to time , in particular when a lot of people who I regard as good players are reading the game a certain way. If we’re similar in everything else we mentioned on d1/d2 I assume we’re similar on this regard.

Which makes me want to ask, how much of your suspicions on me was based on what others have been reading me as vs your own personal read? All other opinions aside, what does DIZZY gth read me as after all this?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:26 am I also have questions for you @ilario

But I'm not even really here now.

Anyway, what was your thought process regarding G-Man last phase? From memory I don't remember you talking much about it, but I might be wrong

Sure

Simply put, I didn’t have any

I asked for the full 48 hours so I could read everything properly and then form a solid 2/2. I wanted to solve the game yesterday because I firmly believed falcon to be town but I had just finished a game where he tunneled gavial all game and locktowned a mafia despite sharing a neighbour hood with gavial. Falcons a great bloke and all but I was worried that I was noticing the same patterns in his tunnel vision last game with gavial with the way he approached me this game. So I was in a sticky situation where the person I tr me most is very tunneled on me. Which is why I wanted the full day phase to get to a solve.

I had only gotten upto end of d1 in my rereading before the game got hammered. At that point, in the game marmot and falcon had strong arguments in their favour. Naa had some spew in his favour, you had your good vibes (but I told myself I wasn’t reading for good vibes and I needed to be objective) and Johanna and gman had very little in the favour.

So I concluded after d1, gman johanna and you looked the worst. I stressed that this wasn’t my solve and I wanted to finish rereading before I committed to anything. Even the vote logs show that I hadn’t voted. So my thought process behind gman was: he’s done nothing towny all game, nobody has townread him all game, he’s been voting falcon and yesterday he was doing very little to solve and just focussed on trying to vote me out instead of looking at the game holistically

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:24 am It's like you're blaming me for you not showing up, which is weird as fuck tbh

Nah I’m not trying to blame you or anything I’m just trying to understand your thought process

I don’t want to get my read on you wrong lol