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misguided? yeahLinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:09 pmWell that makes Neeko a bit more confident. Was starting to worry she stopped a Vig from killing Alexa from what Ilario was saying.
Honestly ilario may just be misguided in their thought that Alexa claimed the Mafia shot her when shooting ilario since ilario's commute it not guaranteed that he was shot.
I didn’t say it yesterday because nobody was voting them and tsp was always dying. I did however say it on earlier days when I thought it was more relevantalexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:14 pmI like how you product this out of thin air today but said nothing yesterday, you are so fucking clearly operating under an agenda dude and if not then I don't even know what to say to youilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:14 am Betsy has been the most obv town slot in the game, they were under no risk and there was no reason to out their role
UNLESS this was some crazy town play by Alexa where she outed fake roles so mafia gets the wrong soup info but judging by porcha and Betsy reaction to it I don’t think that’s the case
I outed it because the slots were getting heat and I wanted to protect them, it was obviously impulsive/not smart but your narrative of me doing that as scum makes no sense. You can die tomorrow (or hopefully tonight from sabie)
But what is ur town motive ? I don’t have tmi on u dude, if ur town it’s easy for u to say u wouldn’t do that as scum since u know ur own role, I’ve tried to put myself in your shoes and asked why as town you would out the masons on a day they’re never being eliminated when there’s other slots like pao creature sabie that are always going to be resolved before anyone even mentions Betsy? Is it really that wrong for me to worry about that?alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:07 pmThat doesn't make sense. For one I rolecopped Porscha and not Belzy, there was not 100% proof that Porscha was lock clear, Belzy just claimed they had mechanical information on Porscha. There were 3 V flips and I realized I was wrong in some of my reads, so if I could confidently clear them, that felt useful to me.ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:13 amShe didn’t, she outed their roles to be soup killed
There was no reason for her to even role cop Betsy if she’s town, alexa was heavily townreading the slot on d2, why would she rc that slot if she trs them? Betsy was in no pressure to be voted out yesterday either because tsp was red checked so again it makes no sense for her to out the roles. I spent an hour trying to get her to hc her role and she insisted it’s a bad idea but then outta the blue she just decides to claim her own role AND two others? Like cmon man
What TF is my scum motive in that last part? I clearly did it impulsively dude.
Why is it hurtful? I think it can come from town, that’s why I didn’t shoot u over dizzy, that’s why I didn’t poison you earlier, I waited 3 whole days to do it but things built up. If ur town then I’m wrong and I’malexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:01 pmSpoiler Alert: It will be town
I'm really frustrated with illario for how he's acting toward me and kind of hurt that he doesn't think I can play this way as town, but I'm doing my best to pull myself together regardless. Please kill him tomorrow, do not reconsider on this regard. He is probably real 3P but his play is losing us the game/detrimental to town and he's clearly scumsiding fairly hard, i think he's lying about his wincon because v!him or him playing like a villager would NEVER, EVER scumread me him
Read the way he turns on his read on me from yesterday coming into today, it doesn't make sense
He could just be a wolf but his play would be suicidal then
If I'm a wolf and he's not lying then he just dies today so you don't need to consider that scenario, but I promise you I'm town and we might be completely fucked due to 3P
Nope, I was considering siding with wolves towards end of d2 (reflected in my votes) and then I went over my pm again and noticed I can’t win with wolvesCreature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:07 amilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:08 am I’m 3p, I’m hks partner. We have two wincons. First wincon is kill two wolves. If we kill two wolves, we achieve our wincon, get removed from the game and game continues as it normally would. Second wincon: we survive all the way to the end (just one of us is fine) and we win with whoever is alive. So yeah, we can win by winning with town and eliminating all the wolves. So there’s heavy incentive for us to townside which is why we have. I used hks day vig on dizzy so we already got 1 of our kills. If Alexa is mafia then I get my second and I leave the game if she flips mafia.
As for my abilities, everything lp outed today is….correct. So correct that I wonder if it’s coming from tmi. They perfectly guessed my characters name and some of their abilities. Which are: twice a game I can make myself untargetable to any night actions. I think the night alexa claimed her vest to be popped was the night wolves tried to kill me. That day before eod, I made a post saying tsp was probably a wolf and mac even noticed it and commented on it. I killed dizzy that day. I was pushing mac. And fossed alexa. I’ve been n1d 3 of my last games in a row (excluding didney world). Im a hot commodity for wolves to nk, so yes I do strongly believe wolves had a lot of reason to want me dead.
Start of today Alexa has a sudden epiphany that 3p isn’t eliminated. My guess is she didn’t discuss this in the chat with belzy and pao? Wanna know why? Probably because she didn’t know until sod because she used her rc on me. Why would town alexa rc me if she’s convinced I’m town? Or belzy on d2? It’s because she’s wolf and is trying to rc people mafia can’t push to get misyeeted.
And yeah I know what y’all are gonna say 3p is bad and shouldn’t be trusted, but if I was an evil aligned 3p I have no reason to play this way. I wasn’t being sussed by anyone, I can just keep living off the towncred from dizzy and achieve my wincon if it was an evil one. I wouldn’t invest this much into solving when I’m already in a good spot. So why would I as 3p care so much about townsiding? Because I’m a petty ass bitch and I think wolves chose players so I wanna bury the entire team for not choosing me lol, that’s pmuch it.You can win with anyone but you can't win with wolves?ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:32 am Also another reason why I didn’t scumside is because my role can’t. If scum kills all villagers and there’s more than 1 wolf alive with me endgame then wolves win. If there’s only one wolf, then my faction takes the win from wolves. So technically there is no way for me to win with wolves, or else I woulda just sided with Alexa once I started to sr her in that hopes that I could win with her. I can however still win with town if I endgame with town no matter how many town are alive, ik it sounds weird and that’s why there’s more incentive to townside with my role but Yeah I don’t blame u if u don’t believe me, if I’m wrong on alexa I deserve to be voted out tomorrow anyways.
Nope, I was considering siding with wolves towards end of d2 (reflected in my votes) and then I went over my pm again and noticed I can’t win with wolvesCreature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:07 amilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:08 am I’m 3p, I’m hks partner. We have two wincons. First wincon is kill two wolves. If we kill two wolves, we achieve our wincon, get removed from the game and game continues as it normally would. Second wincon: we survive all the way to the end (just one of us is fine) and we win with whoever is alive. So yeah, we can win by winning with town and eliminating all the wolves. So there’s heavy incentive for us to townside which is why we have. I used hks day vig on dizzy so we already got 1 of our kills. If Alexa is mafia then I get my second and I leave the game if she flips mafia.
As for my abilities, everything lp outed today is….correct. So correct that I wonder if it’s coming from tmi. They perfectly guessed my characters name and some of their abilities. Which are: twice a game I can make myself untargetable to any night actions. I think the night alexa claimed her vest to be popped was the night wolves tried to kill me. That day before eod, I made a post saying tsp was probably a wolf and mac even noticed it and commented on it. I killed dizzy that day. I was pushing mac. And fossed alexa. I’ve been n1d 3 of my last games in a row (excluding didney world). Im a hot commodity for wolves to nk, so yes I do strongly believe wolves had a lot of reason to want me dead.
Start of today Alexa has a sudden epiphany that 3p isn’t eliminated. My guess is she didn’t discuss this in the chat with belzy and pao? Wanna know why? Probably because she didn’t know until sod because she used her rc on me. Why would town alexa rc me if she’s convinced I’m town? Or belzy on d2? It’s because she’s wolf and is trying to rc people mafia can’t push to get misyeeted.
And yeah I know what y’all are gonna say 3p is bad and shouldn’t be trusted, but if I was an evil aligned 3p I have no reason to play this way. I wasn’t being sussed by anyone, I can just keep living off the towncred from dizzy and achieve my wincon if it was an evil one. I wouldn’t invest this much into solving when I’m already in a good spot. So why would I as 3p care so much about townsiding? Because I’m a petty ass bitch and I think wolves chose players so I wanna bury the entire team for not choosing me lol, that’s pmuch it.You can win with anyone but you can't win with wolves?ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:32 am Also another reason why I didn’t scumside is because my role can’t. If scum kills all villagers and there’s more than 1 wolf alive with me endgame then wolves win. If there’s only one wolf, then my faction takes the win from wolves. So technically there is no way for me to win with wolves, or else I woulda just sided with Alexa once I started to sr her in that hopes that I could win with her. I can however still win with town if I endgame with town no matter how many town are alive, ik it sounds weird and that’s why there’s more incentive to townside with my role but Yeah I don’t blame u if u don’t believe me, if I’m wrong on alexa I deserve to be voted out tomorrow anyways.
I’m okay with that, Atleast that way ur vote won’t be on a town slot lol. Like I said I’m 90+% sure if gotten my wincon when u die, so if I die to an elimination it doesn’t change anything to me
reverse sbpc wins in a game where wolves are hand pickedilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:14 amreverse sbpcCreature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:10 pm Sort by postcount:
alexa - 379
Phil anGloria - 370
Creature - d 349
TonyStarkPrime - 306
nutella - 304
Belzy - 218
Dyslexicon - 218
LinearPoint - 210
Master Radishes - 182
c4e5g3d5 - 177
EnderWiggin - 161
NotAnAxehole - 152
Seanzie - 148
ilario - 145
Alison - 144
112 - 139
Guillotine - 131
Justplayingitcool - 108
dyachei - 107
Sloonei - 106
hollowkatt - 103
DrWilgy - 95
falcon45ca - 95
Paopan - 62
Porscha - 55
Urist - 53
sabie12 - 39
Scotty - 33
KZA - 26
BoKnows - 14
I don’t think sloonei is a wolf because of how dizzy and mac treated the slot. I don’t think sloonei is a wolf because he doesn’t force content like a wolf does and gives it at his own pace, and when he does give content it’s fairly good and easy to digest. I don’t sense agenda in his posts. I don’t think sloonei is a wolf because of how he evaluated mac and creatures push on him yesterday, it was a very nuanced take that takes a towny pov to think of something like that. I think sloonei is town because mr said he’s town and mr died when there would be much better people for sloonei to kill as a wolf. I think pushing sloonei today is bad because if he’s town that’s yet another town u will push to claim their role and then increase the odds you lose to a soup kill,
can u link that to me? cos unless i misread my role pm that cant be trueJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:04 amIt says in the OP that 3p receive the faction kill assuming no lost wolf.
"If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party"
we dont, the game ends when mafia dies
oh didnt see that, then yeah i think that increases my theory that rest of the deep was deep/in not much danger todaySloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:58 amIt implies anyone but Mac can use it, I think. They were vanilla, aka a goonilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:56 amSo that implies anyone can use the soup? In which case I really wonder why mac didn’t use itSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:53 amilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:49 am The thing that I don’t understand is, if there’s a wolf in the trio of bel Alexa and pao, why didn’t they warn mac he was gonna get shot so he can try to get a soup off on his way out?
I can only think of two answers, 1. Not every wolf can do the soup and it’s just a specific role 2. Wolves were playing greedy and wanted to get more mech info before the soup
There is a third option in that no wolves were in that chat, but even so, I think wolf mac knew yesterday that writing was on the wall and would have thought about doing the soup kill.
If it’s option 1, then it means whoever has the soup role is relatively deep and that’s why they haven’t used it yet so that rules out people like sabie pao etcNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:12 pm Cabbage Stew
Mafia have access to a soup kill--how does this work? Glad you asked! Once per game, Mafia can:
Forgo their factional kill
Designate one team member as the Soup Chef, this member cannot use any of their role abilities (note that a goon, if one exists, can only perform a soup kill if they are the last remaining team Mafia member)
So that implies anyone can use the soup? In which case I really wonder why mac didn’t use itSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:53 amilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:49 am The thing that I don’t understand is, if there’s a wolf in the trio of bel Alexa and pao, why didn’t they warn mac he was gonna get shot so he can try to get a soup off on his way out?
I can only think of two answers, 1. Not every wolf can do the soup and it’s just a specific role 2. Wolves were playing greedy and wanted to get more mech info before the soup
There is a third option in that no wolves were in that chat, but even so, I think wolf mac knew yesterday that writing was on the wall and would have thought about doing the soup kill.
If it’s option 1, then it means whoever has the soup role is relatively deep and that’s why they haven’t used it yet so that rules out people like sabie pao etcNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:12 pm Cabbage Stew
Mafia have access to a soup kill--how does this work? Glad you asked! Once per game, Mafia can:
Forgo their factional kill
Designate one team member as the Soup Chef, this member cannot use any of their role abilities (note that a goon, if one exists, can only perform a soup kill if they are the last remaining team Mafia member)
ull understand once u see my role
It’s okay, there’s a good chance I’m gonna be pushed when I’m at uni tmrw, just know that almost everything I’ve done is to help town, that part is important.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:14 am If creature AND alexa are wolves it means my entire worldview is wrong
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:16 am fine here’s why I think ur scum
First the whole alison naa thing. It just doesn’t make sense for you to rush that shot, I don’t see you doing that. You’re much more meticulous with handling these things and I feel like town you would want all the info out before you commit to a shot. My issue isn’t that you shot alison, it’s that you rushed the entire procedure. You held the gun shot for the entire day but the moment naa comes out with his claim you arbitrarily decide that he has to rescind his claim by 2:55 or you’re gonna shoot. You weren’t focused on solving him, you weren’t focused on solving alison it felt like your entire focus was on getting naa to confirm that he wasn’t going to rescind his claim. Because by doing so it gives you plausible deniability to shoot a strong villa and set up another villa known to troll to take the fall for it. And then you kept denying blame for it, which imo I found towny at first but it kept happening so much that it wrapped around to being wolfy again. Like you said over and over you didn’t think a role like that would exist, but you specifically designed the EXACT same role in a game you hosted, and whether this is advertised as bastard or not doesn’t disregard the fact that I think you would have taken a few minutes to consider the existence
Of such a role since you yourself hosted a game with it in the game.
I think your claim on d1 from a wolf pov was amazing. You played it perfectly and it felt towny as shit and that’s why I said earlier I applaud you for your d1. But as the game goes on the story with your claim gets muddy. You have a green check on guillo that’s not really a green check? Like idk why would think it’s beneficial to make up a green on guillo, it’s not like he was your top tr so I don’t see the benefit in doing that. I think the way you went about that whole thing felt inconsistent and Nutella noticed that before she died, and I think that’s why she was day vigged over me. I can defs see a world where you’re concerned nutella is about to embark on a classic Nutella tunnel and you wanted that dealt with. Sigs shot was just so sudden and there’s no build up to it so yeah I do think it was a panic shot to get rid of her. Also you later claimed to
Have a vest and again I don’t see why u outed that the time you did. You love being clear, if you kept the info to yourself and someone shot you then you become clear so I don’t see the point of outing the vest when you did, but claiming a vest does give a reason for you to be alive late game. People can ask why isn’t Alexa dead and you can just cos of a vest
I was struggling to come up with a solve last night. I had town cleared alota slots in my head and we reached a point where slots like c4 started to come into question just because we don’t know where else to look. But even when I put slots like c4 or jpic in my poe it just doesn’t feel right to me. And then when I reflected on the other points and I started to build a team around you the game started to make more sense. Suddenly tsp being a wolf made sense too. I don’t think tsp approaches u the way he has this game if ur town and he’s a wolf. But I can defs see alota ur interactions being possible if ur wolves together. Tsp is highpostiing but like 70% of the posts are about you. And yeah I can see a world where scum captain tsp feels obligated to not be a potato this game. And the way u responded to me earlier everytime when I felt like tsp was kinda towny, your responses felt rigid, like you
Knew he’s a wolf and your gameplay has been set on softly bussing/distancing him throughout the game. Like even when I considered that tsp high posting might be clearing for him you said it’s nai because u wolfed with him before but the game we wolfed together he wasn’t even a high poster in the sense he has been this game, so it just feels fabricated.
I’m coming around to guillo
Maybe being town and I think ur approach to him has been pockety. You’ve consistently done a classic scumtell throughout the game in the way you’ve approached his slot but I’m gonna keep what that tell is to myself cos ur wolf game too OP and this tell helped me catch Katze in dvale and generally works on strong wolves. Also I think you perspective slipped earlier in the game when you said the way I was pushing guillo showed that I lacked tmi on guillo.
You also have this thing where your trs in general are more nuanced imo and thought out than your srs. Like I think people with super strong villa games like you and ladd when you roll wolf you tend to have great towncases on other town, good wolf cases on other wolves but your pushes onto townies seems to be lacking and when they do come they generally feel kinda reachy/scummy. It’s how I felt when ladd cased vanity right away in that game and why I thought he was a wolf. Your play just feels like your focusing more on positioning and pocketing people like c4, 112 etc and I feel that way because whilst you are tr’ing them for what I believe to be the right reasons, I don’t really see you pushing any townies. And yes I know this argument seems wtf “ur scum reading me because I’m not hard pushing townies” but it’s true. It happens in games. No matter how good of a villa you or anyone else is are at times In everyone’s game as town theyre just gonna be pushing a townie in a game at one point or another. I haven’t really seen you gone out of your way to push anybody with the same vigor I generally do when you’re town. I think you’re kinda just treading on eggshells and buttering people up imo
I think the way you were reading my slot on d2 was kinda scummy. People got all caught on up some level 0 bs that me reacting to you instead of the 5 people voting me was bad but it isn’t. I expect different things from different people and ur the best illario reader. My d1 Was a textbook towny approach for me. You know how you said earlier that tsp is scummy because normally he just locks u in as town and doesn’t really fuss around too much. Well yeah you do the same normally, when I’m not scum by d1 u just know I’m town and lock me in. It didn’t make sense for you to all of a sudden become nervous that I’m scum just because I was subdued or posting when barely even 12 hours of a 72 h day had passed. I think when you have two people who know each other well and one is scum, the one whose scum tries to hide tmi by looking like they’re tossing and turning on the other slot and then they decide on them being town or they just insta townlock them and hope for the best but I think ur more versatile than to go for that approach. I think if ur town u just know I’m town there and don’t bother tinfoiling me just because some people who have no idea how to read me were wary, I don’t see how you would let that trumph over your own read on me when you know ur much better than everyone at reading me.
Despite all this, I stand by what I said. I’m not gonna push you, I’m not gonna vote you, I want you to win regardless, towns annoyed me so Idc about carrying them. And Dw about this post having an effect on the game it’s way too long that I doubt anybody is gonna read it properly and the ones who do will just gloss over
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:44 pmyes i'm looking at this nowc4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:15 pm In only 10 posts, Porscha has
An unnatural number of posts about how they're behindPorscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:58 pm Might not get to all of the day 1 posts. Amazing amount of posts already tbh, more than I expected even with all these people lol. Sorry if I dont quite catch all of them, but I'll do my best to read as much as I can. And a lot of my reads early on are pretty superficial since there is so much going on, I won't be hard reading this early. Not trying to go too crazy day 1 hehe.
(Middle one was prompted tho so less bad)
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:44 pmyeah that's actual comedy. I don't see a reason to not town read radish atmA TMIey Radish read
Particularly the wording of "I don't see a reason not to townread _______"
That's literally not how townreads work and it especially makes no sense when your reason is "this post is funny" and even more so when you obviously haven't read the rest of his posts
This overly self-aware response, but could be explained by an MS mentality or something similar
Just all seems pretty wolfy
definitely think Porsha could be a wolf
