The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:29 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:23 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:19 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:15 pm Once meatbaby flipped town , the only correct play is to lynch JJJ next. Zenon and JJJ are talking ppl out of it.

Why is lynching the erroneous claimer "the only correct play"?

Are you for real? A fake red check is wolf almost always. JJJ has been responsible for a lot of dead townies. How can you townread any of that?

Speaking in near-certainties doesn't help me in the slightest in this world.

You present a case devoid of taking in account any plausibility that JJJ's read could have been corrupted or simply not work (ninja killer).

The blame on "dead townies" doesn't help in a gamestate in which we've had nothing but dead townies.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:19 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:15 pm Once meatbaby flipped town , the only correct play is to lynch JJJ next. Zenon and JJJ are talking ppl out of it.

Why is lynching the erroneous claimer "the only correct play"?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:11 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:10 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:08 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:07 pm There are holes in Zenon's words. JJJ and Zenon are actually fooling people succesfully.

Elaborate on the "holes".

Stating moto is mech cleared wolf. While JJJ did the same on meatbaby. So how can this be?

They both deduced and stated the same. How does that help us?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:08 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:07 pm There are holes in Zenon's words. JJJ and Zenon are actually fooling people succesfully.

Elaborate on the "holes".

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:36 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:25 am It's not necessarily the motivation tanking, it's the mech claim making players park a vote and bail on play for a second phase running.

Though the JJJ voters are the ones active and talking.

Zenon now wants to be flipped, but that's game-losing if she is indeed town, so what's the point of this request, if town?

motobot parked a vote, didn't even post.

Porscha is among the talkers, but seems to hold on to voting.

Falcon is bail on activity, either that's wolf leisure or, as I've said, I need a manual on how he can decide to play like this as town.

It's not game losing it guarantees my info which proves 2 things

Moto is guaranteed wolf

JJJ is >rand wolf because no host is giving two identical roles to town

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:26 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:26 am *checks game*

yep looks like we're still screwed

Wanna vote the mech outed scum pls

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:43 am Hello. I did not lie. I was subjected to shenanigans. Welcome to closed role madness.

Folks aren’t going to believe me unfortunately, and I believe the game is at 6 vs. 4 (barring unseen independent activity). So we’re about to lose the game.

I’ll see if I can work a miracle, but it is a very bad time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:53 am Blame me if you want, but “my role can be be redirected” is not part of my role card. ANY role can be redirected. If I see some visit a night kill I am going to vote for them every time. This is the improbable exception to a very basic rule.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:20 am Hmm.

Man, I may kinda want to flip moto toDay, lol.

Here’s why:

When asked for clarification, Zenon stated that her ability tracks every visit and that she got the result of only one visit. Therefore, this is a strong wording of a sure-read mafia kill than JJJ worded it.

So if moto flips town, Zenon is legit wolf duper.

That would give town the mentality to flip what they perceive sure wolf flip both toDay and next Day, if necessary.

Does that make sense?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:15 am Guys if JJJ's a wolf pulling that off he accomplished getting a town killed over him.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:05 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:38 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:04 am So I can't really respond to like most things

Another reason to not trust Zenon just yet.

So like what are you saying? You think wolf zenon is trying to get moto wagoned to save wolf partner jjj?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:02 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:58 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:54 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:46 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:39 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:36 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:34 am The most tinfoil detail about Zenon’s claim could be that it’s overpowered. Contrary to JJJ’s ability claim, Zenon would track every visit. And confirmation that there was only one visit, moto’s.

If not for this difference, Zenon’s claim would be identical to JJJ’s.

There is no way I will trust Zenon's claim over my willingness to lynch an actual outed JJJ.

I’m confused. If you want to lynch JJJ, that would mean you do trust Zenon’s claim.

And can you define in what way JJJ is objectively outed?

How does me wanting to lynch JJJ first equals trusting Zenon's claim?

Aside from getting rid of town after town, a fake red check is outing yourself as scum. Not only that. A part of me did not believe JJJ, because I have a very hard time townreading JJJ. So there is no way I will allow JJJ surviving another day. Anything that will destract us from lynching JJJ, I see as a potential scum move; to stall a lynch on another scum once again. After all mislynches we cannot allow any more mistakes.

Zenon is just like JJJ a potential scummy in my book. So I won't trust Zenon's claim right now. JJJ is my top scumread. Never rescind.

“A fake red check is outing yourself as scum.”

This being JaggedJimmyJay, as wolf, I am certain he was aware of this backlash.

Otherwise, I think there are partial details to his claim. He only claim he saw “one” visit and deduced it must have been the killing blow.

It gives me pause that, this being JaggedJimmyJay, he did not consider for one sec that his read is limited, i.e. meatball was one of several who may have visited tutuu.

So there’s rational space for this being a town mega blunder, too.

JJJ being scum is the most rational and safest conclusion. Do you wanna keep alive a JJJ who fake claimed a red check, and has done only kill off townies so far? Keeping JJJ alive is the biggest mistake ever.

I don’t advocate to spare JJJ.

I advocate to get the best interpretation of the sequence of events. Because I find many conflicting threads.

Including the conflicting image of JJJ, cerebral-headman extraordinaire, resorting to such dumb wolf moves.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:54 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:46 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:39 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:36 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:34 am The most tinfoil detail about Zenon’s claim could be that it’s overpowered. Contrary to JJJ’s ability claim, Zenon would track every visit. And confirmation that there was only one visit, moto’s.

If not for this difference, Zenon’s claim would be identical to JJJ’s.

There is no way I will trust Zenon's claim over my willingness to lynch an actual outed JJJ.

I’m confused. If you want to lynch JJJ, that would mean you do trust Zenon’s claim.

And can you define in what way JJJ is objectively outed?

How does me wanting to lynch JJJ first equals trusting Zenon's claim?

Aside from getting rid of town after town, a fake red check is outing yourself as scum. Not only that. A part of me did not believe JJJ, because I have a very hard time townreading JJJ. So there is no way I will allow JJJ surviving another day. Anything that will destract us from lynching JJJ, I see as a potential scum move; to stall a lynch on another scum once again. After all mislynches we cannot allow any more mistakes.

Zenon is just like JJJ a potential scummy in my book. So I won't trust Zenon's claim right now. JJJ is my top scumread. Never rescind.

“A fake red check is outing yourself as scum.”

This being JaggedJimmyJay, as wolf, I am certain he was aware of this backlash.

Otherwise, I think there are partial details to his claim. He only claim he saw “one” visit and deduced it must have been the killing blow.

It gives me pause that, this being JaggedJimmyJay, he did not consider for one sec that his read is limited, i.e. meatball was one of several who may have visited tutuu.

So there’s rational space for this being a town mega blunder, too.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:39 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:36 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:34 am The most tinfoil detail about Zenon’s claim could be that it’s overpowered. Contrary to JJJ’s ability claim, Zenon would track every visit. And confirmation that there was only one visit, moto’s.

If not for this difference, Zenon’s claim would be identical to JJJ’s.

There is no way I will trust Zenon's claim over my willingness to lynch an actual outed JJJ.

I’m confused. If you want to lynch JJJ, that would mean you do trust Zenon’s claim.

And can you define in what way JJJ is objectively outed?

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:04 am So I can't really respond to like most things

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:34 am The most tinfoil detail about Zenon’s claim could be that it’s overpowered. Contrary to JJJ’s ability claim, Zenon would track every visit. And confirmation that there was only one visit, moto’s.

If not for this difference, Zenon’s claim would be identical to JJJ’s.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:59 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:20 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:21 pm I don't want to say it like this, but it's needed to be said.

JJJ would know better than to basically fake a red as a town.

It's straight forward they ended up trading 1 for another.

Plus JJJ has only lynched town so far. That includes the fake red check. I was going to vote JJJ last day, until the claim, so once Meatball flipped town, I felt a I knew it!

oh okay never mind I dont understand your perspective

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:39 pm Bleh I hate hammerless xD

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:44 pm Does game have hammer? Cause we can just hammer back to back honestly.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:31 pm Feels too on the nose to be a scum play from JJJ but like I literally won't try to save him lol

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:26 pm JJJ and Moto need to die

We should be killing the conf wolf first but I'm not opposed to waiting on Moto

I don't care the order as long as you always kill Moto

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:21 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:17 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:09 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:07 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:17 pm Motobaby is wolf I'm Lookout I watched Rondo last night bet bet

Can you be more specific about this role or info (within rule 3's limits, of course)?

We've been through "I tracked this = outed gg gg" already.

I see every one who visits a target

I watched Rondo

Moto visited

Moto killed

Moto is scum

GGs

Is this an attempt to save JJJ?

How is it a save attempt from Zenon if it thus far buried JJJ under four votes?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:21 pm I don't want to say it like this, but it's needed to be said.

JJJ would know better than to basically fake a red as a town.

It's straight forward they ended up trading 1 for another.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:09 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:07 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:17 pm Motobaby is wolf I'm Lookout I watched Rondo last night bet bet

Can you be more specific about this role or info (within rule 3's limits, of course)?

We've been through "I tracked this = outed gg gg" already.

I see every one who visits a target

I watched Rondo

Moto visited

Moto killed

Moto is scum

GGs

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:45 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:42 am Can’t say I noticed weirdness from you.

Also can’t say I follow why I would be wolf for being townread by Zenon.

It was the opposite, zenon wolf and you villager

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:15 pm When I get out pls to me one favour.
When I flip Town please just think about Martin. He is Wolf def

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:47 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:30 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:26 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:37 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:32 am Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

How do you feel about Lime Coke?

Not my preferred lynch. Would you lynch there?

No, but they were the most viable non WIlgy/Creature wagon at EoD, and I'm curious as to why you didn't go there if you felt so strongly about the other two wagons. Why go onto Moto who had no votes, vs Lime that had like 3 or 4?