The Syndicate

Is Made usually a low poster?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:40 pm Martin I asked you what you thought of the Mac/Sonnycrush interactions and you told me you're not considering him for mafia, you're considering him for poisoner. What did you mean?

I think Martin thought you meant OC/me and Mac/Me interactions when you meant OC/Mac interactions.

Martin's second line doesn't make sense otherwise I think.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:33 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:30 pm I'm not evaluating him for being mafia. I'm evaluating him for being the poisoner.

I think I've long considered (on D3 iirc when I thought Hawk was mafia) that Allcrab would have poor mafia teammate compatibility. I realize that doesn't really hold up as much anymore since that seems to apply to just about everyone alive now.
You suggested the reverse this morning. If Allcrab is now a mafia suspect instead, what changed to take him out of the poisoner slot and why does Mac move over to poisoner instead of someone else?

I don't think that says what you think it does.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:14 pm Allcrab is town. #7997 just made me feel more than any previous post from him.

I read every Cafe player correctly (cept Seanzie I guess) and me being lazy is what gets you to village read me.

Wut?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:13 pm
Allcrab wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:11 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:10 pm @Allcrab, do you have any clue who is going to be night-killed by the mafia?
Probs Marmot.
Should I take that as you don't know or you don't want to answer?

Why would I know that?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:10 pm @Allcrab, do you have any clue who is going to be night-killed by the mafia?

Probs Marmot.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:50 pm Mech insight though: Good odds one of the poison healer claims is a wolf/the poisoner. I dunno if we’re already past that point

Hawk flipped healer and Martin is still alive.

I will push Martin eventually because it's very unlikely they are what they say they are but I don't feel like fighting Alison about it yet.

You want me to switch to Mac?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:49 pm Still can't figure out what a prosecutor is. It's possible bunny had some kind of insight about something, but

Bunny described it as a weird dayvig where we majj the person and they die immediately or something like that. Never seen or heard of it before.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:30 pm
Allcrab wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:16 pm @lost monkey @Allcrab could y'all please remind me what specifically inspired you to [pseudo]-watch me on Night 1?
you just seemed like the obvious NK.
What made you think so? One can argue that I looked like a bit of a poop head emerging from those Day 1 wagons.

To someone new maybe but I've been doing this a long time. Being wrong (and if made flips wolf you weren't really) doesn't make you wolfy or even feasibly cast doubt even if it takes a day or two to calibrate you were gonna be a problem eventually and you talk a lot and that's annoying to deal with if you didn't look amazing after d1 even better because less worry about docs.

This more words than I like using usually you get the idea not getting rid of you means wolves lack the ability to plan ahead basically so I thought they'd get it out of the way before it became a problem.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:16 pm @lost monkey @Allcrab could y'all please remind me what specifically inspired you to [pseudo]-watch me on Night 1?

you just seemed like the obvious NK.

I guess if Martin isn't the poisoner it would have to be Tony but yeah not expecting anymore surprises this game.

Made/Mac Wolves
Martin Poison sounds about right dunno what else it can be looking at who's left and the claims.

I never thought I'd say I miss guillo but here we are.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:45 pm I don't think Esooa and Nanook are mafia.

For me the mafia solve is down to [Made, Mac] and [Martin, Alison]. Does anyone have a reason why this is the wrong approach?

Does wolf!Alison have a reason to push away from wolf!martin and get everyone onto wolf!orange?

Seems a bit arbitrary.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:57 pm
Allcrab wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:56 pm If you think I'd poison bunny you're out of your mind.
why is that?

From just a me PoV she's the one I enjoy playing with most.

From a strategic PoV she'd continue to vouch for me.

If you think I'd poison bunny you're out of your mind.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:21 pm
Allcrab wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:21 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:08 pm @Allcrab remind me what your targets are?
n1 was jay
n2 was tangrowth
n3 was you
n4 was mac
I know your result on Jay and you whiffed on Mac, what was the result on Tang and me?

Tang was 1 syn
Nobody visited you n3

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:08 pm @Allcrab remind me what your targets are?

n1 was jay
n2 was tangrowth
n3 was you
n4 was mac

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:00 pm @Allcrab @lost monkey to be absolutely clear, neither of you targeted Gnome on Night 4. Correct?

Correct.

I targeted Mac.

THAT IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS I AM SO SORRY

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:52 pm I vote manipulated Jay.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:37 pm
Allcrab wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:35 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:33 pm Heads up btw since i have used all the one shots i have had, me and allcrab do not have the same roles. I am the JOAT. So yeah there could be a possibility that martin may be scum.
I take it not much came of them?
N1 was useful, N2 i blocked sloonei and N4 tried protecting you.

Why o_0

Like appreciate it sure but ain't no wolves gonna be shooting me when we got Jay, Tony, and Sloonei still alive lol. I'll be honest my role kinda doesn't do shit atp considering the only cafe people left are you, guillo and myself.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:33 pm Heads up btw since i have used all the one shots i have had, me and allcrab do not have the same roles. I am the JOAT. So yeah there could be a possibility that martin may be scum.

I take it not much came of them?

Guillo we can leave unless another mason actually claims otherwise we just lynch them for lying about their role 6 times on the span of 5 minutes.

Mac is a maybe but he's be bussing real hard this game to be a wolf so not my go to atm.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:22 pm HI friends, sorry for missing yesterday, i got my start of day/end of days dates twisted. Before I waste my time in iso hell, is Allcrab cleared for any reason? I see they claimed on day 2 and alison didn't buy it, but then they got a red check on owner.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Nobody targeted mac last night.

Figured poisoner MO was to go after people on the fringe of the PoE which was kinda right they were a bit more direct than I expected and I guessed wrong, sorry.

And yeah I am trying to get poisoner identity over wolves cuz that's gonna be WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY harder to get if we gotta do it the old fashioned way.

I wanna vote martin today but out of respect for Alison's read I'll try made first.

bad bunny wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:56 pmBai

See you on the other side \o/

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:53 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:48 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:45 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:41 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:39 am I expect lost monkey, allcrab and martin to not switch their votes from Act today.
I'm not but this makes me want to lol.
If Act flips poisoner then we go back to the dualistic roles hypothesis. It's in your best interest to keep your vote there if you are town.
I'll keep my vote there cuz I think there's a chance Act still flips wolf and even if they don't it still won't be a green flip, mind trying to tell me what's in my interest and what isn't Act's flip doesn't effect mine.
Because you claimed watcher with Lost Monkey and OC flipped roleblocker after gavial also flipped roleblocker. If Act is the poisoner then it makes sense to have a mafia healer, roleblocker and watcher to have equal chances at finding the poisoner that town has.
Mafia needs to kill the poisoner too, not just us.

It's not perfectly symmetrical regardless, I'm infinite and lomo claimed one shot.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:45 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:41 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:39 am I expect lost monkey, allcrab and martin to not switch their votes from Act today.
I'm not but this makes me want to lol.
If Act flips poisoner then we go back to the dualistic roles hypothesis. It's in your best interest to keep your vote there if you are town.

I'll keep my vote there cuz I think there's a chance Act still flips wolf and even if they don't it still won't be a green flip, mind trying to tell me what's in my interest and what isn't Act's flip doesn't effect mine.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:39 am I expect lost monkey, allcrab and martin to not switch their votes from Act today.

I'm not but this makes me want to lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:25 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:24 am Is act claiming poisoner I can't tell?
No she is claiming benign townsiding 3p that wouldn't hurt a fly.

Okay lemme put it this way.

Is there any reasonable chance of multiple 3ps?

Is act claiming poisoner I can't tell?

I don't understand how mentions work on this site apparently.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:04 am Hawk also felt strongly that gnome was scum. I think we should consider that.

@Made, why are people voting for you?

@Guillotine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:14 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:20 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?
I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.
Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.
One appeal to a dead villager? Who is that dead villager?

Hawk.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:45 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:42 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:38 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:20 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?
I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.
Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.
You want to ask me questions or are you just going to sit there shading me? Like what even is this? Lol tell me when I’ve ever given out a full flush of reads? If you want more from me, ask. But don’t sit there shading me.
Ask you what? About the zero thoughts you have?

Everything you're saying relies on mech or just suspecting gnome cuz hawk said so. I'm not expecting paragraphs on anyone cuz I know I'm certainly never gonna do anything like that but you don't seem to have thoughts on anyone that someone who looked at the thread for 5 seconds couldn't make.
You’re basing my entire game on my most recent posts?

lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:47 am Lol Allcrab. Is that like the Odin of crabs?

You're the first person to actually get that lmao.

Slightly impressed.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:38 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:20 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?
I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.
Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.
You want to ask me questions or are you just going to sit there shading me? Like what even is this? Lol tell me when I’ve ever given out a full flush of reads? If you want more from me, ask. But don’t sit there shading me.

Ask you what? About the zero thoughts you have?

Everything you're saying relies on mech or just suspecting gnome cuz hawk said so. I'm not expecting paragraphs on anyone cuz I know I'm certainly never gonna do anything like that but you don't seem to have thoughts on anyone that someone who looked at the thread for 5 seconds couldn't make.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:37 am I appreciate your efforts, Act, truly.

You may have a little slippy poo in that post, but I’ll give that the benefit of the doubt. The Dana argument just falls flat to me. If you do flip town you can be certain Allcrab will be scrutinized.

Exciting.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:29 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:19 am Jay let me have Guillo and if it's wrong we can go back to robot mafia.
I am fine with Guillotine as a fallback if super easy mode fails. I don’t see why he’d be the right choice today.
Fun?
I am JJJ, Slayer of Fun and Harbinger of Routine.
*hungry baby pterodactyl noises*

Do you know stanari?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?
I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:20 am I don’t like the claims because both are safe. Martin claimed healer when obviously there would be a healer. Two town healers doesn’t make sense, and I recognize red herring roles apparently exist, but still...I don’t feel good about Martin’s claim.

Allcrab claimed the exact role as LoMo which is safe. He can just parrot whatever LoMo said. Allcrab claimed same role then switched to unlimited. How many red herring roles would a game have before the game could become unbalanced? I honestly don’t know mech, but I just feel like this is a stretch. I do not think we have two watchers.

@Guillotine, what do you think of Allcrab and Martin?

After reading through again kinda where I'm at although I don't agree with martin being clear at all I'm at Act>Martin>Made and if wolves arn't gone by then start freaking out lol.

Has made really not made a post since d2 or is their ISO broken? .-.

I do think gnome getting on orange's case about wolf reading them before they have a chance to breathe is a slightly good look for gnome.

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:05 am Strong town
Jay
Sonny
Guillo
Tangy

Town leans
Gnome
Alison
Martin I guess sheeping alison
Dana
Mac
Sloonei
Hawk? Liked their style
Act maybe at this point

Gav Nook LC are more tbd
Dont remember anyone else

Going to sleep for like 12 hours gl
There is 1 wolf between Jay, Sonny and Tangy. Nutella had more deep and meaningful interactions with Tangy than Jay and Sonny up to this point. She made no effort to defend Jay from me when I tried to push him nor did any kind of "Jay is just town" deflated shit so that means she probably was enjoying him getting pushed and just townreads him here to pocket him. So the mafia between them is probably Sonny.

In the leans I would say that Martin, Hawk and Act are probably not mafia because she would be too conscious of over-elaboration as a tell. There is probably 1 mafia in this list though and it is probably Garden Gnome.

There is probably one between Gavial and Long Con also.
Eh, I get it, scum can group people together with a teammate, but I was being widely town read, if there is scum in her strong town reads it isn't me so keep digging.

Interesting about the overelaboration thing (as in overarching mafia interesting) never really considered that.

I'm quoting this more for what mac is saying here.

Does he just straight up call out a teammate off of a Nutella post if they're teamed?

That seems too harsh to me but idk mac well enough to say for sure.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:41 pm
Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:39 pm What Would Hawk Do?
Survive off a diet of mostly small rodents?
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:39 pm What Would Hawk Do?

Survive off a diet of mostly small rodents?

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