The Syndicate

idk, i feel like im comfortable with my worldview atm

hey thats my line lol

i really want alison to be jk doing the fake thought it was eod thing that chloe was mentioning for max lulz

are we piling on dya in that case or pivoting elsewhere?

im trying to give you villa credit plz dont take that away from me

Yeah, I think it also explains why c4 has been a bit hesitant in the thread today cause they didn't really want to defend too obviously etc

Ah, gotcha

The thought did cross my mind that Alison could be a pr to explain why the weird stuff was happening according to others (I've mentioned multiple times I've been pretty high key agonizing about the Dya/alison dynamic) but I wrote that off when Alison thought eod was yesterday and didn't claim. On a side note, I have briefly considered that that Chloe's response to Alison doing that might not be "wolf finding a reason to clear a villager" but rather "wolf being annoyed that wolfmate boxed themselves out of a claim possibility".

I'm not sure why c4 specifically thought jailkeeper given that c4 has been defending Alison for a while - well before Amy claimed tracker - but maybe I'm just misinterpreting that

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

appreciate the folks helping me out today

Thanks Vulgard re: Arete. I think I feel pretty fine about that one still then.

Can you chat to me about the Dyslexicon stuff I mentioned a few posts above? You might have better insight to whether those are actual issues or just no big deal

Dya, can you chat to me about Chloe? I'm trying to figure out how to iso them as a sub and could use more takes there.

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:40 pm I'm probably not going to vote
If Dyachei is a wolf i'll be glad i didn't and if dyachei is town, you'd best be ready for a fucking storm because tomorrow you're getting ego mode marl who is never going to let you hear the end of it

How confident are you in Vulgard town (given you're basing your Arete read on Vulgard's town read of Arete)

Vulgard, can you give me the explain it like I'm 5 breakdown of Arete town? My reason for town reading Arete is for the explanation to the big wall defending you eod1 being to protect you from getting killed later in the game and the discord/forum response to Dyslexicon's amy wolfchat post, but I recognize those aren't the best reasons so it'd be nice to have more concrete things.

I've read through Marl's ISO and - entirely ignoring the derp - I think he's prooooobably a villager? Looking at it all together I feel like it dances around quite a bit, has a good mix of focused thoughts and random ideas thrown out there, a few examples of that villagery panic that sets in when you're kinda stuck in a game while not overly doing it and just continuing to post thoughts anyways, a couple posts specifically that just *sound town* (bully lunch money!, seth/vulgard w/w, cycles, and thats ignoring the reaction to the derp cause ive been in that spot as a wolf and not wanted to get cleared for silly things but still the reaction did sound good). I also think the way Marl was kinda shocked at Arete calling it seths town meta was done in a way that a wolf wouldn't do. This is followed up by some day 2 concerns about Arete pocketing Vulgard that seemed villagery too.

Essentially, Marl is kinda bouncing around a lot, not too stilted or anything while still expressing concern/confusion well. I just think it's a very likely villager for good reasons and not for derp reasons.

I'd also really, really like marl to take some time and talk to me about Arete because I feel like that's my least confident villa read right now and it's for probably terrible reasons

I've read through Dyslexicon's ISO and have a few small concerns which I'd like to clear up before settling on a conclusion.

1. Dyslexicon spent a bit of time expressing suspicion on Bronana for thinking their push on KZA was weak yet wanting some credit for KZA being a wolf. The biggest hangup from Dyslexicon's point of view seems to be that Bronana called a series of KZA's posts a "sequence" when the posts were pages apart. My concerns on this are twofold: a.) Expecting someone to "do due diligence" on someone that posted 10 times when skimming their iso and seeing the 3 posts in a row being very different while also dismissing the answer of "it was 3 posts in a row in an iso" is a bit unreasonable to me and b.) I'm confused why I did not suffer the same type of heat for my entrance post today. After all, Bronana certainly said more about KZA than I did so I find it mildly concerning (read: opportunistic to find a reason to push bronana instead of finding that specific thing to be a wolf thing).

2. There's a few posts in short order where Dyslexicon answers a "who you shooting if you have a gun" post with "Alison! If town, Bronana. If scum, Amy." while also saying "I could rather vote Amy right now than you (Alison)" a few posts later. Which seems kinda of concerning as it sounds like AmyScum is dependent on AlisonScum from Dyslexicon's point of view? Feel like if he's talking to Alison about not voting her he should be saying Bronana?

3. In the long list of individual reads, Dyslexicon says this about Vulgard: " Such analysis wow. If others think Vulgard is town, I'm ok with sleeping this. I did have a probably dumb tinfoil of Dya/Vulgard from two specific posts where Vulgard probably just misspoke to/about Dya. This will later turn out correct, but I will forget it. Jk jk. Probably town then." but when making a list Vulgard is second highest only behind Marl (for the derp). For someone as talented as Dyslexicon's posts make them seem to me, their best reads being a derp and someone they have a tinfoil on wolf just seems, not right?

Now, these things are just mild concerns overall and things I'm hoping to get cleared up because overall I thought the general approach and stream of consciousness posts that popped up were quite villagery (plus hally had as villager and they seem to know each other well). But you know, due diligence and all (plus hey, they wanted someone to actually read their posts as a whole!)

I have a few reasons for my uncertainty atm bronana but they are a bit complicated as I try to sort the game state.

I think I've had a few interactions of people telling me my reasons for feeling good about Dya are flawed - and I readily admit the reasons were things I'm known for getting fooled by specifically. Amy really not liking Dya's handling of her also concerns me. I spent a great portion of the game feeling like Alison/Dya was specifically w/v (I feel like I'm pretty good at recognizing v/v thunderdomes) but I have reasons to suspect both of them are the wolf. Not only do I have a couple of people giving HEAVY villa reads to Alison (Vul specifically?) which give me pause, but I also have some warning bells going off about how Chloe spoke about Alison (the "wouldn't alison claim as a wolf if she thought the day was almost over" thing into backing off of it once the wagon continued). I feel like it's a very possible situation where a wolf (chloe) is trying to explain why a villager is a villager but does so in a way that starts from the "they are a villager, why are they acting this way" mindset.

You also have Alison basically shutting down (the antispew mentioned by others). I spent some time last night trying to figure out if maybe I was so confused by the situation because the answer was both of them are wolves. I still think it's possible though not probable.

Then I have the additional issue of last night trying to sort through the game in tiers and not really loving what I was coming up with. So today I am just getting my head on straight and focusing on a swath of the game I've kinda just not focused on too strongly outside of some real time interaction feel reads to hopefully help me on this call.

I don't really think there's much to actually discuss about the chop today just like yesterday. We've had it lined up for like 36 hours. I think either this game is pretty easy or it's about to be really hard but there's not much we can do in the hard worlds until tomorrow.

I have zero experience with Alison but people that do are saying things like anti-spew and that it's a wolf slot so I'll just shrug and hope I guess. I've recognized Chloe's thing about "wouldn't wolf Alison try to claim if they thought it was eod" and I think it makes some sense but, again, there's a lot of people that feel pretty good about this one so shrug.

I'll probably just sponge Amy today when it comes down to it?

I think a helpful exercise would be for people to spend some posts today discussing the group of Outed Wolf, Marl, Dysl, and Chloe. I feel like these are the four people that most of the thread hasn't really had too many comments on their posts as a whole. It's been a fair amount of talk about small specific things but not the overall body of work and I think all of us resetting and getting a good, comfortable read of that slice of the game can help solidify our views pretty well. I think I'm going to spend time today Iso'ing all 4 and coming up with something concrete there.

Bronana, idk I feel like I've struck a really nice balance about getting thoughts into the thread that show my thought processes pretty in depth while not taking over the game/narrative and allowing others to determine what they want to talk about. I think after Rocks Fall I had shifted too much into "try to run point as thread captain" to pretty disastrous results. Then you have a game where a bunch of players know each other but I don't know them and this seems like a pretty solid approach?

I guess I understand why some people have me as uncertain and falling down their POE since they keep saying they don't know what kind of wolf I can be or something, but I felt like the you/outed wolf/dya/amy group should have been pretty on board with how I've worked this game. Especially you and Outed Wolf. There's just no real way that I can fake some of the threads I've been pulling imo and I think my overall mindset is just obviously me-trying-to-chill-and-solve-but-also-stressing-cause-im-addicted-to-werewolf and not me-trying-to-be-evil-and-push-agenda.

Guess I should probably settle in and organize some thoughts huh

I was gonna try to rebatch the game in some tiers but ended up not really loving where I ended up so I'm going to sleep on it and get it done tomorrow

No, that's when I started thinking it (which is what was asked) and then it strengthened over time and stuff. Just felt that the posting style was one that was nowhere close to being worried about being chopped this game and that it probably meant pr. Now, I'm really hoping I don't end up looking really dumb and it was just a fake claim (though I feel a fake would have been jailkeeper?). But yeah, like idk what to tell you. Just felt "thats a pr" shrug

Also read through my iso and look at how I talk to you compared to literally anyone else

I just didn't know how to shift it

sunbae wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:33 pm I'm just going to mason with Amy and nobody - not even her - can stop me

Amy wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:30 am sunbae do you remember when it was that you started pr reading me

.

Yes

I'm really annoyed at myself over this one

blah i was trying to walk the votes back to dya and alison cause i was pretty sure you were a pr (plz dont maj, how did this get to amy, playfully telling you case me so i could clear you, i didnt think id have to spend brain power on amy today, etc) I really hope this isnt a fake claim cause i dont wanna look stupid lol

but the absolute "zero f's given" approach just screamed pr to me

Sorry for not being able to do better at it

Sometimes when a situation is really making me struggle it helps to break down the problem into smaller pieces and find a solution that covers all of them:

Main Problem: I am having difficulty parsing the Dya/Alison stuff

Mini Problem #1: I do not feel like Alison has provided much in terms of large scale takes this game. I do not believe Alison has attempted to discern the alignment of various players but rather has started with a conclusion on said players and argued from there when it was relevant to the discussion. I also believe that - from what I've heard about Alison - town Alison would be quite insightful and bringing their own point of view to the table, making me think about various things in new ways this game.

Mini Problem #2: I do not feel like Dya has stretched out their world view at all nor have really been trying to solve the game as a whole. Rather it's been a lot more of a narrow swath of focus (unless specifically asked) and a constant reiteration of the main day 1 read.

Mini Problem #1 & #2 issues: Alison and Dya have been after each other since midway through day 1. I do not know which person to believe here. I spent some time pushing Dya and spent more time defending Dya and being skeptical of Alison.

Mini Problem #3: Both of these players have been declared highly likely wolves from multiple players in the game.

Mini Problem #4: Both of them have basically dismissed any pressure in their direction (sounds like OMGUS is the phrase being used often? But I think thats the gist of it).

Potential Solution?: Dya was called wolf early. Began to attack Alison. Alison was getting town reads early. People started to believe Dya instead. Both players pretty much froze in place as that happened. Neither branched out too much. Neither started solving around their wolf read. They've spun their wheels on each other. KZA died overnight. Both of them are just pretty down and disheartened. They are both wolves that were going for some distance and got locked into a situation they didn't know how to handle. My difficulty in parsing this interaction is because the answer is *both* of them rather than one.

Probability? Uncertain. Does it answer all of my issues? It would. Gonna ponder overnight.

im heading out to d&d

please dont maj, got a few threads i wanna work out in my head before day phase end

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:00 pm sunbae, wanna talk about the c4 thing I found in his iso?

Oh, we xposted but I think my comment covered it already? I don't care about the town thing (that happens, sometiems you just realize someone is town and it's not like the thread dynamic makes it beneficial for wolves to suddenly flip cause spf was never really a wagon) but the whole process for the wolf read seemed natural and organic to me and makes me feel pretty good there

dya, thank you for doing that for me. Agree that the shift happened quick but I also enjoyed the entire process for the scum read

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:55 pm i honestly feel bad about it i just cant fuckin connect

maybe it'll take me a Night phase idk

im just
here

idk
hi

hi

games hard, halp!

Arete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:54 pm

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:51 pm (arete its a joke im pretty sure)

it wasn't funny! being funny is an important feature of jokes!

idk, im not very funny and a good deal of my extended family think im a great example of a joke

ba dum tsh

but its true tho

Oh, I missed the gun post

I don't know, sorry

Remind me tomorrow and i should have a better idea (real life day, not game day)

bronana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:23 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:20 pm How did the day turn from Alison/Dya to Alison/Amy?

I don't know, but I'd kill dya last of those three

so would you afaik, i'm not sure whta you're getting at sport

(i enjoyed your will smith meme btw)

(also arete normally i haaaate telling people how to play but can you please talk about something other than vulgard)

I'm not trying to get at anything. I'm asking how it shifted because I remember the crux being like ... dya going ham at alison for being a wolf and others going hard at dya for being a wolf and now dya has like 1 vote. I guess I just didn't realize I was going to need to focus so much on amy given ive spent the most of my brain power during the last half of the game day trying to sort out dya and stuff

How did the day turn from Alison/Dya to Alison/Amy?

Amy, spoiler is nutella read but put some shades on first cause the format is bayyyyyud
second one is arete thing

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:43 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:15 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:55 pm Arete, can you let me know as briefly as possible why at eod you were approaching the game from a "I don't want people to turn on Vulgard so here's a long explanation of a villa read" perspective when if Gav flipped wolf nobody would ever be questioning Vul yet would start to ponder that alignment if Gav flipped villa? This is not a gotcha or a post to shade you, this is flat out just a question hoping I can get a better handle of your pov as eod went down.

I mostly wasn't thinking about Gavial's flip at all (although I did think they were more likely to flip town than scum), I was more thinking, like, if I randomly died N1 or N2 or something, and he were still alive on D4, he's the general-sort-of-player the thread might turn on, particularly if his reads turned out to be wrong (townread for relatively nebulous reasons, not close friends with anyone outside the FoL crowd afaik, nobody except me had particularly strong meta on him) and I wanted to make sure that didn't happen

if Gavial had actually been a wolf I don't think people would have been likely to immediately turn on him but I don't think that really would have reduced the likelihood of people turning on him on day 4, no one was going to give anyone cred for a Gavial hit, although I wasn't specifically thinking about that possibility at EoD

also I didn't care about the wagons, like, at all and I didn't really have strong reads other than Vul but I wanted to do something so that I didn't feel totally useless

am i sucker for just saying "coming up with the idea that it was a 5d chess with multiverse time travel move to prevent vul from getting fear killed 8 real life days from now is just like a town with a strange worry in the back of their head that they needed to throw out there and never a wolf who came up with this explanation"? cause I want to say "coming up with the idea that it was a 5d chess with multiverse time travel move to prevent vul from getting fear killed 8 real life days from now is just like a town with a strange worry in the back of their head that they needed to throw out there and never a wolf who came up with this explanation".

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:03 pm @sunbae I found the things that made me tinfoil Dya/Vulgard.
May or may not be extremely dumb.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:32 amI'm kinda townreading Dya for their consistent frustration over being scumread, but at the same time I can only mildly townread them for it for so long. This and their Alison scumread they've been repping for a while are the only things I remember Dya doing, while most other players have voiced reads on every other player in the game, done significant analysis, etc.

Using the word "repping" is interesting, because it doesn't signal to me a mindframe that it's a read Dya is having, but rather projecting.

However, first of all, lol language. And I also gathered that Vulgard, from what I understand, is not a native English speaker like myself. And I myself may misread the significance of this particular word here. But it crossed my mind.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:32 am I think I've been fairly consistent in saying that you haven't been exclusively tunneling Alison, but that your read on Alison is definitely the highlight of your contributions so far. It's the first thing I associate with you in this game, outside of the constant defensive attitude. The defensive attitude part is something I could see being NAI based on how I saw you play as town sometimes, but yeah.

Speaking of reads outside of Alison, do the flips give you more reads outside of Alison? What do you think @ my townread of Alison?

Also this. I don't quite understand, because they say the defensive attitude could be NAI based on how they have seen Dya as town. Does this mean that Dya is not town here? Is it meant to say "based on how I saw you play as scum"? Am I reading this wrong or reading too much into this?

To be clear, I actually read Vulgard as more town. And I don't really have a read on Dya. But these are two things that crossed my mind, and they are very detailed, so it may just be me reading too much into things.

that "repping word choice" read makes me happy

like, really happy

thank you. will keep in the back of my mind for them but my gut reaction takeaway is "thats a read vNewcomb makes and I sponge to great success"

I watched that clip earlier today and its been in my head so excuse me for shoehorning it in here when its not really relevant to the rest of the post lol

Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:00 pm i'm also looking to clear up people's issues re: my slot, so @ me with concerns (that aren't tonal, obviously) and hopefully i can explain my mindset to a satisfactory degree

1. You seemed flabbergasted that I had nutella as a wolf and asked me why and have followed up actual zero percent on it

2. We haven't really tried to work through any alignments like we did with Alette last game and that was legit my favorite part of playing mafia in the last few years at least possibly longer

3. You keep throwing out that you think I might be problematic but haven't really tried to engage me on anything this game despite my perspective being really, really, really different to everyone elses. I have weird villa reads on Outed Wolf and Arete for instance. Maybe even a weird on on c4 and Marl?

How come you dont want me

bronana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:50 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:39 pmI also have very few thoughts on Bronana.

et tu, sunbae?

Yeah idk. I feel like I'm usually pretty feel good about your role by now (we've talked multiple times about how quickly I v read you for things that probably aren't alignment indicative and how i'll get owned when you rand wolf for the first time in like 5 years lol) and I just haven't had that feeling yet. But it's possibly a me thing cause I've been pretty detached from the going ons this game. Feels like most of the game is big back and forth interactions between two people, thread settles, two new people take over, repeat. Very little cohesion or working together. It's almost like it's a bunch of individuals trying to solve on their own and very little groupwork. And, frankly, it's not a job I'm really up for on this one you know? Like, I was gonna not werewolf til Anni at least but this game looked fun and with a great list of people I knew and people I wish i did.

So ultimately I just sit back and go "im sure itll come eventually" and wait

Also, I don't blame people for not reading my posts. I've been boring af this game

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:42 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:39 pm That's not a slight on anyone, it's a comment about how I need to improve my communication skills since the people I talk *to* like it and the people that read it from the outside aren't really moved by it.

As for my thoughts on you: I have none. You've pressed on Bronana for the KZA sequence. I also have very few thoughts on Bronana. So I'm mulling it over and taking a backseat to how it plays out while I focus elsewhere.

Alright, fair enough.

I can only speak for myself, but I find it very hard in general to parse everything I read. This game may be "light", but it's dense, and to me it feels hard and is full of good players. I also feel like I'm saying things, and then people talk about it or take what I'm saying in a completely different way.

Dense is a great word for this game. I think I'd get my points across better if I just hit the strong points and kept it to like 2-3 sentences instead of those long, flowing posts towards spf, dya, and amy because it would stand out more.

I think people got turned around once you started talking about it being better to chop villaGav instead of wolfGav and decided you were being "weird" and "trolly" and "just wanting to shake things up". Which was why I was suspicious of Hally at eod. I felt they approached figuring out what you were saying from the starting point of you being a villager and got super sketched out by it. I don't think your posting today has been "weird" or "trolly" or "just wanting to shake things up" so if people are treating you that way I'm not sure why. I've just finished your comments on each player (I just read myself the first time before posting lol) and would like to hear more about the Dya/Vulgard misspeaking thing? Seems relevant to my interests.

That's not a slight on anyone, it's a comment about how I need to improve my communication skills since the people I talk *to* like it and the people that read it from the outside aren't really moved by it.

As for my thoughts on you: I have none. You've pressed on Bronana for the KZA sequence. I also have very few thoughts on Bronana. So I'm mulling it over and taking a backseat to how it plays out while I focus elsewhere.

As for some thoughts about things other than the common topic:

- I read through c4's iso again because I was having the nagging suspicion that they've just been kind of happy with the thread position and not trying to push things forward much today. I still feel that's accurate but I think it's more due to the fact that they are ... just happy with the thread position because it's their wolf reads being wagoned. Their posts through day one hit a wide variety of topics, often unprompted, and the way they jumped around from one thing to the next felt seamless and organic. I also still feel that some of the immediate responses of feeling ignored and flustered - along with the feeling of audacity that Alison could think they were a wolf for what they've been posting this game - comes from a villagers mindset rather than a performative wolf one.

- I am keeping Arete's stuff on Vul in the back of my mind because my initial response to Vul's posting this game phase was "This is not a person coming into the thread somewhat embarrassed about missing a god read". The posting Vul has brought today is something that reads fine but I can't shake the feeling that it's the type of busy work I do when I wolf where I show the long, post by post recap breakdown of individual cases as I go down the line of person to person. I feel like a lot of Vul's reads/presentations are just almost in isolation of anything else going on. Arete seems rather confident there and nobody else seems concerned, but I wanted to put it out there anyways.

- I wasn't huge on Tangrowth's posting down the stretch yesterday and I'm not really huge on Chloe's either. However, it does seem like a fair number of people are totally fine with the slot. Feel like letting Chloe get in the groove for the day was a fine place to start but I really haven't seen the wheels start to turn there the way I was hoping for.

Feel like the fact that people I've interacted the most with (due to suspecting them, grilling them, trying to understand them) are finding me to be a pretty clear villager while the people I haven't done that with are just dragging me down their poe should be relevant somehow. I'm going to guess it's due to the fact that the people I was pressing/interacting with actually read my actual-thoughts-on-the-game posts instead of scrolling over them bored and only reading my 1-2 line nonsensical-fun-time posts instead. Which means I need to learn to get across the "here's what I'm thinking about you and why" points in a more clear and concise way I guess?

I should be a pretty obvious villager to anyone that understands me I think? Which I get isn't everyone here so I make posts like this. My main focus is on trying to find wolves instead of trying to push players for wolfy things. I'm also not doing anything weird/wild that looks like busy work in an effort to be town read for it (like, performative). I also don't seem to really care about slipping down too much outside of general musings or "heres how to read me" posts that nobody ever pays attention to but are always accurate. My response to Amy wasn't "oh no why do you think that let's work it out!!!" it was just "lol case me itll be fun then we'll pivot to a wolf later" because I know that if anyone actually read through my posts and interactions with the mentality of "does this guy know the answer already? does he care about figuring it out?" the answers will clearly be no, yes respectively.

Hey Dya, I think you'd agree I've done a fair amount of attempting to figure out your alignment and stuff. Can you do me a favor and read up on c4 for me and tell me your thoughts? Like, not a "off the top of my head I think X" but after actually reading through their iso? I feel like that's a spot I've been calling town from gut reactions to posts and need an overview of again and could use some opinions. Plus, it would help having you branch out into other directions for a little bit for me.

Understandable, have a nice day

Yeah, I thought that one would throw you for a loop lol.

So the question now is: What have I been trying to do this game from your point of view? Do you feel I have been attempting to discern the alignment of players in this game or do you think I have been engaging in bad faith "arguments" that I know the answer to?

Read through my sequence with SPF and ask yourself "does Sunbae know SPF's alignment?"
Read through my discussions on Nutella and ask yourself "does Sunbae know Nutella's alignment?"
Read through my back on forth on Dya and with others about Dya and ask yourself "does Sunbae know Dya's alignment?"

You have expressed concern on me at multiple points this day and I have been very up front about telling you to explore them. Let's talk about my interactions with you: you think I've been trying to pocket you maybe. Have I attempted to do anything with that? Do you recall me trying to get you to follow me somewhere? To steer you in a direction? To get you off of one thing and onto another? To confuse your and make the game harder with regards to your reads on others?

I personally think the most likely explanation for my handling of you this game is "I just like working with you you and want to be on the same team, so after my initial villa read of you I just let you do your thing and engage you whenever our focuses overlap".

Do you think my view of the game state is flawed? In a strange way? It's certainly non-consensus way. So what am I trying to accomplish with this view of the game state if I'm a wolf? Am I trying to complicate matters? Push out of a poe that's correct? Setting up the end game pushes after the poe proves to be wrong?

I've tried to get you to explore the game from my pov and what I'm trying to accomplish so you can see that I make no sense as a wolf because I'm just out here vibing on my own and clearly have no agenda nor extra information. But I get it's hard to see sometimes from the outside. So walk through it with me.

I'm not trying to pocket you silly. If I'm doing something nefarious it's trying to tie us together by being cagey in my read on you when asked, giving you a quick town read but never really engaging with you on any reads, and playfully telling you to case me while not worrying about your response.

Outed, SPF,

I think these are the types of reads I get turned around on (frustration, tunnels, etc) and think the chance is greater that I'm just mistaken rather than both of you being so. It's late and I wanna make sure to sleep on it before saying so for sure but my current mindstate is "ok, you thought dya was a wolf for the first half of day 1, backed off of it while other stuff happened cause you just didn't want Dya to be a wolf, and then got turned around on the type of stuff you get turned around on. It's ok, just correct it and realize Dya's a wolf now".

Which changes a fair amount of my poe and stuff. Especially with the certainty you're providing on Nutella.

So I'm going to say tomorrow I'll just reevaluate things a bit and adjust.

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:08 am

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:31 pm 0 wolves hype: Outed Wolf, Arete, Dya
1 wolf hopefully: SPF, c4, Bronana, Amy
POE: Chloe, dsyl, nutella, marl, alison

i have no idea how your brain works or how you've arrived at your conclusions but your poe has 1 wolf maximum
and it's probably alison if there even is a wolf in your poe
pretty sure the last two wolves are in dya/alison/amy

I'm gonna play the real derp or fake derp game with this: I'ma go with real but not feel great about it (there are 3 wolves left marl)