The Syndicate

I guess I'm just used to vMarl burying wolf reads and maybe im just not used to light game post cap marl thats just laid back and chillin

Like, what are marls wolf reads? Outed Wolf for the vote on Nutella but he forgot about that for a bit, Hally but also not Hally but maybe Hally, he's the "eod ill have gav's alignment 100%" person and he's currently at "idk, theres worlds where hes v even then he'd get voted at lylo anyways", and now an associative Marl/Va w/w read.

I'm used to marl throwing down and letting his wolf reads know they are wolf reads and letting everyone else know that not only are they wolf reads but he's right.

And like, I understand ~ everyone else is just thinking "ya marl obv v" so it's a me thing and it's probably a case where wolves didn't wanna throw down with him so they just marked him v and moved on. But I still don't understand it.

that gif made me remember that rango is a weird and messed up movie
pretty good tho

I'm putting my 0-1 wolves in this group at <amy, c4, dya, alison, vulgard> and am gonna hope I can feel good about it in postgame. I'm also gonna bounce cause sleep is good

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:26 am

sunbae wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:22 am dont know what to tell ya

sunbae in thread:



sunbae mentally:

quick time to blend in

wow i dont think ive ever felt a post in my every fiber of my soul that much before marl lol

Marluxion wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:59 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:57 pm

Marluxion wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:56 pmFor someone who's first post said they are going to refuse to play you sure are doing a lot of playing

Are you unhappy about that?

I'm doing playing. I'm not doing a lot of reading. It's the reading I find insufferable at this point. Not that you all aren't great writers.

Absolutely not, play all you want
I was just pointing it out before people attempt to case you for being low effort just because you said you were gonna be in your post 1, when that is clearly not going to be the case

i think this doesnt make sense at all

dont know what to tell ya

Because the bottom list is in the order of me not understanding the case on them (alison least, gav second least due to the way it was piled on before the recent stint of posting, dya i totally understand given i was on it for a while) whereas the first list was in order of my making peace with them (spf earlier,dya/alison now) dont ask why my brain works the way it does, idk either lol

This is either one of those games where I'm doing a good job of recognizing when to back off and play peacemaker (spf, dya, alison) or its one of those games where the thread as a whole has locked in on a wolf or two and I'm just not doing a good job of following it (alison, gav, dya)

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:09 am I've gotten to townleans on all of arete, hally, spf, and c4 at this point

Could be a wolf in there but I'm happy to table them for now

Elaborate on Arete please?
Also Hally?

My hottest take after those pages is that Dya/Alison is v/v. I think Dya truly believes that Alison is a wolf for the way she's handled Gav and the other game. I also believe that Alison strongly believes that Gav is town. And these two thoughts are clashing past each other. I also think I entirely follow Dya's reasoning for pressing Alison over Gav and it's not some sinister "parters with Gav" thing where she's calling Gav a wolf but pushing Alison first. I think Dya is pushing Alison first because she thinks regardless of Gav's role, Alison is full of it here (either as teammates defending or as a wolf with tmi) and is more likely to flip W.

I feel ... medium ... confident about it

Lots of posting since I left

Gonna stew on it some.

I feel like C4's sequence of "do you really think I can do this as a wolf" is the type of indignant thing villagers say when they've been taking a game serious and are shocked someone actually has them as a wolf.

I feel like Alisons frustrations with me are relevant to her alignment. Like, being frustrated about me having a specific read and walking it back after others disagree feels like a villagery thing to me? I'm afraid of this being a thing where I have zero experience with someone, find general things towny, but others with experience just find her wolfy and I'm wrong thing. But like, I didn't mind her posting here either even though others went at her for it.

I have no idea what Gav is doing with the giving reads on people not in the game thing. I've always struggled to separate trolly town and trolly wolves apart (last turbo had this issue d1 too). I think there's been some weird defenses of Gav and I can't tell if it's wolfy tmi or not.

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:59 am So. Dya then?

Where else we thinking

kza?

enter thread -> couple quick town reads -> pop out -> pop back in d2 to say gav has gotten too much heat to be wolf -> a quick question -> pop out again

Seems like a reasonable posting sequence for a wolf thats just gonna kick back for a bit and let people yell at each other and go through some general motions for a bit

i got 35 posts after this one so ima bail for the night
i think ive flooded this game with enough of my nonsense for one day

yall have fun

im gonna unvote dyachei and hope that by the time im here tomorrow i can have a better read and dont want her coming into the thread on the defensive or anything

i think arette/c4/hally are the blind spots for me that i should have better thoughts on by now so hit me with those if you got em



[VOTE: sleep] aubergine

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:10 pm i think that sunbae is a villager

one day ima play a game and get villager reads for my awesome thoughts and sick reads instead of being a chaotic mess thats just villagery

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:10 pm oh sunbae i meant to ask

what do you think of people v reading you for that soul read post you made earlier

seemed to me like its something you would easily be able to say as a wolf to pander to me so i was surprised to see people village reading it as if you couldnt come up with that as a wolf

i have no thoughts on it, sorry
i factored it in zero percent and iirc the people the did it have little to no experience with me
itd make me skeptical if like, you or zack read me v for it

alrighty, I think I can just say "hey, this is a miscommunication and a bad reason for a read regardless of if its right or not" and just move on and tell the thread my bad

Currently thinking to myself "this is one of those situations where you're just getting into a pointless argument and everyone is just scrolling through it cause its boring and pointless isn't it"

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:48 pm DIE LISSA DIE

lissa being so understanding made me feel worse than if she had been mad

she wasnt mad, just disappointed


rocks fall is here tangrowth https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... vitational

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:21 pm What do you think of amy sunbae

i have zero concerns there and i think the moment she called me town was the exact moment i expected her to based on my posting up til that point

its d1 caveat and we'll see, but in the voxx 9er as the day progressed i got more and more skeptical and im not having that here

Side note: I refuse, refuse, refuse to actually tunnel someone this game and will do my absolute best to evaluate things openly cause I am not pulling a rocks fall again

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:35 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:17 pm Like I read that guide and now I just wanna tunnel you into oblivion

if you're serious about your push, then it would be genuinely helpful if you could go back to the posts that pinged you and explain why you find them wolfy in detail

because i looked at your evaluation of my guide and i don't really have anything to say that i haven't already said. i don't understand the issue. there's a misunderstanding here somewhere. a fairly large part of my (partial) townread on tangy was predicated on the idea that she had no interest in "blending in" with the vibe of the thread. it was proven to me that she did try to blend in with the thread. i said "oh okay, maybe i'm townreading her too easily", and then moved her back to a townlean

I feel like I've done as well as I can in doing that

I'm sorry, I'm just not really good at articulating things sometimes. I viewed your posts as "Here are three good reasons to townread Tangrowth (Lack of Agenda, Nutella read, Positivity/Tone), one smaller reason to townread Tangrowth (Changing thread atmosphere), and one counterargument to C4's wolf read (Not Blending in like C4 claimed). Then C4 showed you that the counterargument didn't hold up. The result from my pov was "ok, she's still got three good reasons to town read and one smaller reason as well, shouldn't change much" but you instead started talking about clearing too lightly which seemed like a huge walk back to me.

Then in your self-made guide it mentioned that as a wolf you just try to brush off wolf reads whereas when you're town you engage people to try and work it out and I felt there was zero attempt to see things with me and work it out. So I mentioned tunneling.

I believed that is the best breakdown I can do of my current thoughts on it. Did that get more understandable?

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:38 pm A recreation of me treasuring the thing you made:

Spoiler: show

omg that is so cute!

heres one i posted in the rocks fall game to illustrate the me/amy masonry that was gonna be awesome (i was in fact, not awesome lol)

Spf,

Regarding #3: I think me actually taking time to read your guide (unprompted! it wasn't directed at me but I chose to do it), comparing it to this game, and progressively getting more and more intense about the read should be evidence enough that I care. Like you said, I mostly care about being right on whoever I end up voting and that should just link right up with me spending all the focus on you to do so.

I think "stilted" is a pretty good way to wolf read me as the game progresses. I just ... can't ... fully fake some of the connections, links though processes, etc that I jump around to as a villager.

Would I be correct in stating that our current miscommunication from your pov is that you threw out a handful of small reasons to village read tangrowth, I thought it was a heavier read based on your explanation to C4, and so when you got new info and just walked it back a bit it was pretty nothing for you to do and looked like a bigger walkback to me?

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:21 pm You're a delight, sunbae.

i read this in the same tone as my mom would tell me good job when i showed her the picture i made for her in art

itd look like this (turkey!), she'd say oh its delightful, pat my head, hang it on the fridge, and probably wonder where she went wrong

Marluxion wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:36 am I actually dont remember why i'm voting outed wolf
page 2 feels like it happened 800 years ago with how much text has been on the last two pages

Marluxion wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:36 am oh right the wolfiest vote on the nutte wagon so far

gut reaction to this was its a series of posts a wolf makes because they think itll look towny

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:01 pm I sort of want to move sunbae up just for the posts he made about his disappointment in terms of scrolling and not finding me until the bottom of my reads list hehehe.

i was a villager the moment i said "im trying to be amys little pogchamp" but nobody will believe me

But I won't because, well, I'd rather just chat it out and not get super duper into things and crazily invested
i want to tho!

Like I read that guide and now I just wanna tunnel you into oblivion

er, if i dont think you care***

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:08 pm goofy thought alert

sunbae immediately reading spf's self-meta wall from offsite but not reading tangy's whole reads wall is because sunbae/tangy are wolves and spf is town

this read is stupid and i debated whether or not to post it, then decided i'd go for it on the off chance someone calls me villagy for it

nah, i just wanna know if the person im voting is a wolf so i have more interest in reading that atm

1. I break down your arguments for defending Tangrowth from C4. They boil down to "I disagree with the notion that Tangrown was trying to blend in", "Tangrowth brought positive energy to a thread that was tense", her agenda was "to change the atmosphere of the thread" which is a pro-villa thing at the time, and during all that she found a way to out reads on Nutella anyways. You found this towny because there was a lack of an agenda and her tone.

Do these underlying assumptions make sense? Sort of? There's "her Agenda was to do X" and "There was a lack of an agenda in her posting" being different lines in one paragraph. I do understand that there's an implied "wolfy" in front of the first agenda, so I can understand those two sentences coexisting. The rest of it follows fine as well.

2. So we get to c4 showing you that this wasn't Tangrowth's first stint in the thread and the first few posts could potentially be classified as blending in. You concede this point and shift from town read to "kinda thinking that i'm clearing tangy too easily after writing this out tbh, but i do think that she's rand town so far".

So now we get into some guesswork. Is this SPF just reevaluating upon getting a bit of new info? Is this SPF just not wanting to get into an argument over Tangys alignment and backing off? Both seem possible. The first one seems a bit more difficult to me given there were like ... 4 other things you were townreading her for so seeing some NAI entrance posts shouldn't really shift you from towny to "clearing too easily". There's clearly a progression here though so for The Guide we can nod along to it.

3. Would you disagree if I told you I think you care one iota about my alignment so far? Do you feel like you've done the bolded with me yet?

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:01 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:59 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:42 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:35 pm Imagine I'm voting spf for the first time

town

Off Topic

^i reacted to alexa saying that i was being villagery by calling myself wolfy. this is a wolftell for me, because there was no logical reason for me to actually believe that i was wolfy. i said that line because i wanted to come off as self-conscious and self-aware - two traits that wolves usually go out of their way to hide

the turnaround speed on reading that linked wall, comparing it to a random spf in this game i had completely forgotten about, and adding an appropriate and amusing emote is remarkable sunbae.

i on the other hand clicked the link, saw the length, said nope and closed the tab.

i could read self-meta explanations for days man

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:56 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:55 pm I feel like I'm the only one that's wolfed with Marl when I see people clearing super light but I think the reality is my perception of Marl's ranges are just skewed from a game or two of experience without having the rest of the games others have with them

It's tough to resist that perception influence. Would you say there were any notable takeaways you have from that experience nonetheless?

marl was awesome in a game we wolved together though i dont remember which game it was

i know ive definitely been caught before by saying "stop clearing marl so light" and everyone else was like "lol, we know marl" and then marl flipped town AS WELL AS the inverse of me defending Marl for not playing like our wolf game while the whole thread piled on him and he flipped wolf

I think this ones a me thing

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:57 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:53 pm part of me wants to say "i feel like spf is simultaneously arguing about irrelevant details on things to be engaged and providing thoughts without really having to bite at someone and placating people to not get in the middle of anything strongly and I find both things wolfy". Like there was a back and forth about Tangy blending in or not with C4 but at that point tangy had already started making reads and stuff so it seemed like a relatively trivial aspect of her posting at that point. Then a quick back off on the town read once the trivial thing was proven in c4's favor instead of a "ok well thats fine but the rest of it stands, towny to me sry" or similar.

other part of me wants to say that she's just being reasonable and conceding points when she's shown she was incorrect and then reevaluating things.

meh

im ngl, i have no idea what this post is referring to. most of my game as a villager is just prodding at things that bother me and then contextualizing the reactions i get to get a broader foundation of the gamestate as a whole. that's what im doing rn by collecting more and more townreads

but if you have any specific concerns you wanna work through, im all ears

Yeah, I think it'll be nice for us to click here. Let me finish reading this guide (i am a full blown sucker for self meta posts made in games as a villager) and I'll get more specific for you. Think it can go both ways though! You've gotta have some issues with my posting outside of voting you (i didn't make the villa list) so hit me up with em too

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:42 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:35 pm Imagine I'm voting spf for the first time

town

I feel like I'm the only one that's wolfed with Marl when I see people clearing super light but I think the reality is my perception of Marl's ranges are just skewed from a game or two of experience without having the rest of the games others have with them

part of me wants to say "i feel like spf is simultaneously arguing about irrelevant details on things to be engaged and providing thoughts without really having to bite at someone and placating people to not get in the middle of anything strongly and I find both things wolfy". Like there was a back and forth about Tangy blending in or not with C4 but at that point tangy had already started making reads and stuff so it seemed like a relatively trivial aspect of her posting at that point. Then a quick back off on the town read once the trivial thing was proven in c4's favor instead of a "ok well thats fine but the rest of it stands, towny to me sry" or similar.

other part of me wants to say that she's just being reasonable and conceding points when she's shown she was incorrect and then reevaluating things.

meh

ima be honest tangy i just scrolled to my name and got sadder and sadder as i had to continue scrolling

ill read the rest of it in a bit

thats cool, i kinda do exist in a space on my own this game i guess

ive got a small group of people being sketchy on me or if not sketchy at least a "he hasnt done anything towny" vibe

ive got a small group of people who snapped me off as an obvious villager within 50 posts of mine

so i just kinda hang out in the middle of the two groups waiting for something more interesting to happen

aw man

usually i tell people to listen to their heart because they want me to be town but their brain keeps them afraid

idk how to combat the heart wanting to see me mafia

these are sad times

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:23 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:18 pm dyslexicon is posting how i post when i begrudgingly join a game because the player list looks fun, rand town, decide to just mess around, then find myself actually trying to solve things because i cant help myself and kinda hate myself for it a little but its too late im in now

this is exactly the read i made, just worded differently. did you not see my message in mason chat?

i actually saw your post, stole it, put more words in it, and presented it as my own for the sick credit

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:21 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:18 pm dyslexicon is posting how i post when i begrudgingly join a game because the player list looks fun, rand town, decide to just mess around, then find myself actually trying to solve things because i cant help myself and kinda hate myself for it a little but its too late im in now

Accurate, except I'm not solving that hard. I like the player list and I love Jimmay and I love the concept of this game.
I signed up a long time ago, forgot about it, thought "I'm definitely taking a mafia break now", got my role after that decision, and here I am.
I apologise if you have to suffer with me as quite useless. I'll do what I can.
I have already made myself obvious town, apparently.
And If do decide to read, I'm not always half bad.

i like you
we're gonna get along great i think

dyslexicon is posting how i post when i begrudgingly join a game because the player list looks fun, rand town, decide to just mess around, then find myself actually trying to solve things because i cant help myself and kinda hate myself for it a little but its too late im in now

Bronana, I suppose. It's just the type of progression/process that really clicks with me cause it's how I think about things too a lot of the time. I'm hoping that as the game progresses that feeling just strengthens but I'll give the read some time/space.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:30 pm c4 had a lot of agenda'd posting and joking around in CoV, sunbae. Like a lot of it. It was easy to call him out as a wolf after the first wolf flipped.

Oh that's good to know, thanks. I'd definitely characterize his posting thus far as to the point and serious, so if the wolf game is more memeing and agenday then I'ma just roll with a town read for a while and reevaluate later. Appreciate it.


I uh, also am bad at reading spf btw. She scares me so I always end up untrusting

I just know that the first time in years that I run into wolf zack I'm just going to get owned but I just kinda don't mind currently. He's too fun and has been posting fine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:25 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:17 pmDid you read Congress of Vienna?

Not me thinking we were talking about book recommendations.

I've been reading The Blade Itself based on some recommendations if you're into high fantasy stuff. Pretty solid so far