The Syndicate

I did not read that game, no. I ... well ... how to say this. The amount of effort I want to put into this game is less than reading other games which hopefully doesn't come off as dismissive. I'd love to hear a tl;dr breakdown of the differences as that could help, but I just don't really wanna go read another game for our light game hangout fun time.

I thought Alison walking through a progression of: "People jumped on Nutella" -> "Nutella is a mischop wolves would love cause normally it'd be hard to get" -> "Wolves could be the ones pushing it then, let me look at the wagon" -> "Bronana was on the wagon and has posts that could look like an attempt to pocket Sunbae so that's the most likely wolf there" -> "Vote Bronana" is just a progression that's a step further than the early game throwaway stuff wolves typically do and instead shows a thought process of actively trying to figure out what's happening and who is doing it. Felt like wolves typically end up at "wolves pushing early wagon, let me vote someone on there, this vote looks the worst, done" instead of doing that extra step of finding which of the voters is doing other potentially wolfy things. People seem to not really agree with me there (either in principle or specifically with alison) so I'm backing off of it. I'm uh, pretty bad in my first experiences with people lol

this concludes the sunbae try hard portion of day 1
we hope you enjoyed your experience

Towniest thing from Vulguard was calling kza/dys not w/w for their similar approach of just kinda messing around early

I don't believe it means anything myself, but those types of thoughts out of nowhere are usually from villagers

I also read nutellas response and I can understand it. It's entirely possible I misconstrued "sunbaes entrance meh everyone else ok" as being more negative when it was meant as "it exists, whatever"

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:01 pm This is my first time actually having to read Hally, and I'm so glad this is a light game.

Unfortunately their ISO just... went straight through me. Either I've been doing too many ISOs at once, there's nothing interesting to see, or both. They're completely inoffensive I guess. Gonna need to check what issue Vulgard took with them again.

sV A bD dHAA G

Yeah I had that problem when I tried to Iso Hally. I did it after catching up and isoing a handful of other people and it just didn't register with me as I went through it. I do feel a bit better about my ability to get there this game now that I've finally seen a Hally wolf game but we'll see. I noted some forms of peacekeeping during the time I was away yesterday that could be construed as wolfy "just say something correct during two people arguing to look good" but I don't feel that strongly about it. Was the only thing I picked up in either direction though so shrug

Gonna back off the Alison villa lean with a few people telling me they have that slot as null.

Wasn't in love with Marl's catch up but meh

Not really picking up what c4 has been putting down but this is another situation of not having much experience there so ill just sit back and let em do their thing

Read SPF's explanation post now that I'm awake and while I can see/understand it, still not sure I buy it but again, can just chill and see what develops

Essentially, my overall feeling is that there's a group of people I feel ok about and a group of people I'm pretty whatever on so far but it's early and I don't feel rushed or pressured to start making the difficult decisions surrounding them, so I'll just kinda meme around and let the dust settle for a bit and see what jumps out.

Am I supposed to vote in the poll every time I change my vote or does voting in thread cover it?

Dya, Re: you being eager to play, like I mentioned the thread state was weird for me when I was around at first and catchup so hopefully just got some wires crossed. I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on some of things I've been saying cause I don't really have immensely strong feelings on these alignments. So getting some chatter and interactions could help me get my head on straight

The worst part of playing games like this is you don't really want to vote for anyone cause youd feel too bad for being wrong

Spf, writing a final post just to say I've seen your response but nothing is registering in my brain at the moment. Sorry. I'll look it over tomorrow when I get up, promise

I don't have a ton of confidence on it but its where I'm at right now and wanted to move away from nutella for a bit so shrug
ima go to bed tho, its 2 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:19 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:09 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:47 pm I think nutella is town and the wolves are trying to shove through a cheap misexe on someone who is normally difficult to misexe.

This points towards mafia on her wagon, which is to say sunbae/bronana/outed wolf. Probably bronana for overexplaining his vote and trying to pocket the other two by saying they're the pillars of the town.

i don’t really understand this read. why are you assuming that nutella is getting pushed by wolves as opposed to villagers who are wrong and/or don’t know her well? what specifically about the pushes is wolfy? i feel like i can see where zack and spf are coming from even though i disagree

Arete wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:48 pm also just for the record I moved my vote off Hally but I still think their opener sucked a lot

why?

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i had similar thoughts to arete as i was reading tangy’s catchup but decided to withhold judgment and observe her more. not sure where i’m at on her atm. @staypositivefriend why did you like tangy’s posts?

tangygrowth burst into a relatively tense thread and immediately became a beacon of positive energy. her primary concern wasn't to ~blend in~ or spew out a bunch of takes, but rather, to change the atmosphere of the thread and to make sure that everyone was still having fun. even as she was doing that, she zero'd in on nutella for a little while and made a point of outing a read on her (which i found villagery, or at least indicative of tangy trying to gradually get more comfortable with the game by focusing on someone that she already knows)

the strong tone paired with the lack of posts that felt focused on an agenda made me think that she was most likely just a villager. typical caveat that this read will change if tangy's trajectory doesn't go where i anticipate it will go

Blah, was trying to quote two posts sorry.

That post I quoted and this one coming back to back (this one first, previously quoted 2nd) is wolfy imo. Here you have a few reasons to villa read tangy (positive energy, agenda being the atmosphere of the thread, still making a read while doing so, strong tone, lack of wolfy agenda makes me think shes just a villager) and then it gets backpedaled into a "clearing too lightly but still rand town" hedge simply because Arete's "blending in" comments were referencing the first quick stint instead of the main one? I think nothing Arete said changes a thing from SPF's main points and the backpedal reads to me like someone not really wanting to throw down over something like this early and just disengaging.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:40 am

Arete wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:29 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:19 am her primary concern wasn't to ~blend in~ or spew out a bunch of takes

can you elaborate on this take? I agree with the second half but strongly disagree with the first half.

when i think of a wolf that is trying to "blend in" with a thread, i think of someone that's trying to match the vibe or the overall atmosphere of the thread they're in. a wolf in RVS will often be performatively casual/jokey because it's what they perceive as "normal" behavior. a wolf right outside of RVS will often force themselves to take stances or out reads because it's what they feel they "should" do. there are a lot of talented wolves that win games by mirroring other people and doing all the "right" things at the "right" moments

i think it's fair to say that tangy's posts up until the ones at the top of page 4 were "blending in" (i forgot she made any posts before that point TBQH), so that lends credibility to your point and diminishes mine a little bit

but i was specifically thinking about tangy's string of posts at the top of page 4 - she entered a thread that was in the middle of some pretty intense/divisive conversation, and there were a lot of reads/stances being thrown out. tangy's posts around that time were extremely casual and extremely relaxed - she expressed happiness at being in the game, she asked a few softball questions about my meta (among other things), but her commentary of the game itself was minimal and she seemed disinterested in giving her takes on the stuff that was going on, barring her read on nutella. her posts were casual in nature, but they were distinct from the vibe in the rest of the thread that is fairly unusual for wolves who are trying to dip their toes into the thread

kinda thinking that i'm clearing tangy too easily after writing this out tbh, but i do think that she's rand town so far

[VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine

I'm hoping you're a wolf so I didn't get snapped off immediately yet again lol. Your ability to soul read me lately is mildly disappointing

What did it for you this time?

I also think Bronana's posts could potentially just be pocketing me specifically for fun but that's more of a fear/self-centered read and I'd hate to throw away a fun villa vibe with him out of fear

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:11 am yo jim

talk to me about dyas alignment

Dya is posting like she's disheartened to have randed wolf in a game like this yet again but gonna push through it anyways.

I'm gonna give space there because I could see myself just not really vibing with the thread flow during the "im not really available nor paying attention but ima throw out some posts for fun" phase I was in during my first stint and the "somewhat tense" thread state during my catchup. Hoping tomorrow when we have time together in the thread I can change my mind there.

Please forgive me, I am struggling to navigate the site in a way I'm used to doing so it's taking me a bit longer to catch up in full/iso a few interesting slots. I'll get it, just might take me a bit longer.

Tangy's catchup seemed fine. The towniest thing for me was the Arette interaction. "I'm not trying to appease you I just understand where your coming from" just felt good to me as I read it. I don't think the diffusion of tensions was alignment indicative though, just fyi SPF. That's just the way Tangy rolls.

I also thought Arette pulling out the case on Tangy and the subsequent defense of it to Nutella came off well. I don't agree with the conclusion but I follow the thought process on where it came from and the "Why are you apologizing to me" question struck me as a town response.

I haven't played with Alison before I don't think (at least not that that name? Sorry if wrong) but I'm on board with their posting. I don't necessarily agree with the idea that people will be trying to jam through a mischop of someone hard to mischop this early, but I was a big fan of seeing that comment followed up on and thought through to the conclusion that it was. It wasn't just "wolves trying to chop villa" but instead followed up by looking at the wagon, how those people interacted with each other, and coming to the conclusion that one looked like they were trying to pocket the other was the wolf there. It just seems like a step further than most throwaway wolf comments get on things like that.

I mention these three specifically and by themselves because I have very little experience - if any at all - with them and I'd like if those of you more knowledgeable can course correct me if required. I think I'll do a fairly good job of getting there on the alignments of a good chunk of the game that I'm familiar with, but worry a bit about the blind spots I could run into from those I'm not.

On an entirely different note: I learned about the Sleeping Beauty problem tonight and that ones really throwing me for a loop so maybe others will find it enjoyable too

ps: its still 1/2. right. right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_Beauty_problem

I always find it weird when I vote for someone early, a few others do as well, and then during all the back and forth the actual reason I voted for them never gets mentioned by anyone else. So now I start wondering if I'm just overthinking it or what.

Voted Nutella because of the "Sunbae's entrance meh, others are ok" into voting not-me 30 posts into the game sequence. The way that it came after Amy voted me made it feel like a little nudging along one incorrect thread suspicion and then starting another one. Feel like if you really thought everyone else was ok you would have either voted me or just chilled out without a vote until more things happened (since, you know, it was presented as a seriousish vote and not just normal early game tomfoolery).

From my quick skim since then I see some posts mildly scolding dya for the style of posting in a post cap game, ( Dya's alignment is a whole different topic I'll get to later), brushing off votes as "the MU elite bros clique" (which is an entirely different kettle of fish as I think it's both an unfair representation of my approach in general - someone that tries to interact and work stuff out with everyone - and in this particular game - I'm basically being Amy's little PogChamp so far so idk why I'm being lumped into some group with Bronana and Outed Wolf), some shade on me for not being villagery (which resulting in no actual push ties into my initial reason for voting you in the first place), and giving "i dont think thats a real read" reads to cases.

All in all, not super great. I've tried to approach things from a few different perspectives:

- Nutella is a wolf who is just kinda flailing around now. Game's hard (wolfing this lineup would be hard no matter what), got off on the wrong foot, didn't know who to push early, and is trying to recover.
- Nutella is a villager who just kinda came outta the gates hard and is biting back to pressure while finding new targets to wolf read.

My largest concern with vNutella worlds is that why is there so much bite at other people but not to me either initially nor in those thin shade post about me/outedwolf. For having the initial wolf read be due to the kid gloves with finding me meh, seeing them continue one while others got some bite towards them makes me dig in more.

With that said I'm also going to factor in the "I shouldn't be playing mafia" post because I'm a sucker for those. And if it makes the game more enjoyable to not be behind the 8 ball for a while then it's well worth it. Games long, I can spend my time elsewhere for a bit.

Im annoyed at myself for this wall of text 6 hours into day 1 but I thought it would be helpful to elaborate on all this stuff both for Nutella and for myself.

You give me too much credit for my humor sadly

but also hi! im glad you're here. Let's vibe and crush this one

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:50 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:49 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:25 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:18 pm might be a sucker but i kinda doubt w!amy dumps on zack first thing

i don’t think w!her sees zack as a viable push early on

the thing is, i dont think that amy would view zack as a viable push regardless of her alignment. i dont think that amy as town or amy as a wolf would be gunning for zack to get chopped right now

so the argument that you're making here is actually closer to: "amy would not throw shade on zack (while at the same time not voting for him) early in the game" than "amy would not see zack as a viable push", and i feel like the former is a lot more flimsy than the latter

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:26 pm (i actually do sort of townread amy because i think that occam's razor points to her suspicion about zack being genuine)

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

i’m confused why you even made the first post if you’re essentially villa reading amy for the same thing

also why is c4 v and why are you voting nutella?

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:43 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:42 pm Well that was not the emote I selected lol

which one?

wolfy question, obviously the fish

the fish makes the most sense though!

there is an emote for both bass the fish and bass the instrument and i am not irrationally annoyed

bronana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:46 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:41 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:39 pm a trivial debate of nitpicks and semantics over a harmless read that nonetheless reveals a villagy mindset from Amy A. Ampharos while sunbae and I slither our way into an immutable Towncore of the Driven Snow with her.

I'm making a band

im derping around on the drums
amy just being cool af on the bass
you can play guitar because why not

gotta find someone for the and a good to mix our stuff properly

sunbae: The idea was to produce [the album] ourselves so we could get it for free when it finally came out. Usually you have to pay for it, but this way we would get a copy for free. But we just didn’t have enough production experience, and it was affecting the music.

bronana: For the first five days in the studio, we couldn’t find the light switch. None of us could see anything. Not our instruments. Not each other. The music sounded awful. We needed help.

Amy: That’s when we brought in OPEN SLOT.

Spoiler: show

(lol'd at the bass emote being the fish)

Interviewer: And how did the band take to OPEN SLOT's arrival?

Bronana: Why do I love OPEN SLOT so much? It's pretty simple when I think about it. OPEN SLOT isn't just the best character in the series, he might just be the greatest character of all time. Just imaging him riding through the sands of Dorne, the wind in his hair, his mighty steed below him. As he rides through the red mountains, the ladies swoon at his very scent. They know how he smells, the essence of his smell is sold in Planky Town under the the name of "Greenblood Orgasm." The very nature of OPEN SLOT is mystery. could he be playing a deeper game than even his creator realizes? The answer is yes, he has transcended such boundaries as the written world, and has free will to do whatever he sees fit. However, OPEN SLOT is filled with such guile, such arcane craft that he does not even use these powers. Why, you might ask? You will never know, for the mind of the OPEN SLOT is not one that is easily penetrated. OPEN SLOT is such a force of nature in his realm that nothing can truly touch him, the only thing keeping him bound to the page at all is his will to exist within the preordained boundaries of his world. OPEN SLOT is not only beyond the comprehension of us, he exists within a plane of true focus and beauty. Observe his playful smile, his gorgeous and rippling biceps, his gallant nose, and most importantly, his eyes. His eyes, like pools of saffron, provide the only glimpse into the true machinations of OPEN SLOT. Do not stare into them. Many good men have gone mad in the attempt. OPEN SLOT is not just a character, a formless collection of words and images, he is himself is the binding that holds the saga together. Without OPEN SLOT, the entire series, the entire world of Westeros as we know it crumbles. The Trident would stop flowing without OPEN SLOT, the Reach would become a desolate crater, and the Wall would melt without his frosty gaze.

Well that was not the emote I selected lol

bronana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:39 pm a trivial debate of nitpicks and semantics over a harmless read that nonetheless reveals a villagy mindset from Amy A. Ampharos while sunbae and I slither our way into an immutable Towncore of the Driven Snow with her.

I'm making a band

im derping around on the drums
amy just being cool af on the bass
you can play guitar because why not

gotta find someone for the and a good to mix our stuff properly

I will not blindly tunnel Hally
I will not blindly tunnel Hally
I will not blindly tunnel Hally
I will not blindly tunnel Hally
I will not blindly tunnel Hally
I will not blindly tunnel Hally
I will not blindly tunnel Hally
I will not blindly tunnel Hally

I'm just going to mason with Amy and nobody - not even her - can stop me

Zomg, everyone is so villagery in this game

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:05 pm how the fuck do you play mafia btw

i haven't had the mental wherewithal to give a shit about a game since rocks

and might still not

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:05 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:04 pm Hello

Im not really able to be around right now but I wanted bronana to laugh at my avatar. I'll be around later to actually play.

Goodbye

[VOTE: sunbae] aubergine

answer: not like that

Hello

Im not really able to be around right now but I wanted bronana to laugh at my avatar. I'll be around later to actually play.

Goodbye