The Syndicate

I mean… I never meant “crazy” as “nonsensical” xd
The fact that I don’t understand the reasoning doesn’t mean that there isn’t one and I’m precisely aware of that

I generally tend to use this word in both its positive and neutral meaning, almost never in the negative one so I didn’t even realize people could perceive it as so
Sorry if it felt belittling

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:48 am

ejjinami wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:46 am It seems that I got a wrong impression then. I apologize for that

I don’t also have any sort of enmity with you… I really didn’t mean to insult you xd
I’m not exactly sure what else I can do now

You could reveal your other account names so you don’t have additional leverage/meta of some shared experience we have that I’m not aware of lol

This is not related. I wouldn’t want my alt revealed
if it’s absolutely necessary and you would really want to avoid me from now on, I can share it privately. but in that case, please not to reveal it further
I like that account. I like playing slightly differently and not having to care about people meta-reading me. The last time someone noticed my accounts were connected they kept spewing my original username in multiple games regardless of how many times I reminded them

I would just want it to stay that way xd
I really don’t think this should matter

It seems that I got a wrong impression then. I apologize for that

I don’t also have any sort of enmity with you… I really didn’t mean to insult you xd
I’m not exactly sure what else I can do now

I don’t like crazy plays, nor do I ever make crazy plays. There is one game on MU where I made a crazy play as a villager but I legit don’t even know what we’ve done this game that was “crazy”
The falcon kill, maybe. But we weren’t being FPS-y, we legit reasoned through it….

@Deli I think what we both understand differently here is the meaning of the word “crazy”. I didn’t mean it in an insulting way, more like- something risky, which I don’t understand.
I didn’t realize it could be understood that way

I thought hyena was definitely likely to go for risky plays because he just… wants to have fun xD
If making spicy plays means that he can both have fun and try to win the game at the same time, I believe he’d definitely do it.

as for you, my strongest impression of you is that you don’t tinfoil much. Once you set your mind on something, it’s hard to change your mind. I also found that most of the time I don’t really understand your thought process.
So if you got an impression that esooa was the cop, I thought you could have been less likely to notice any not-cop tells later on and seriously consider killing her.

To me that would be a weird kill but to you it could make perfect sense.

I think the main mistake I made here was not elaborating on it more… I just shortened that to 1 word because of laziness, I didn’t realize it could hurt you.
Sorry for that ):

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:14 pm Gg that’s game. EJj incredibly rude and “right” for the wrong reasons, I was trying my best to give you guys a good game, as a wolf is obligated to do, but EJj made it abundantly clear that town didn’t deserve it. EJj having an unoutted alt is also… special ig… anyway not playing with them again.

I’m sorry if I made you feel bad.
I’ve been trying to change my play style for a while, to be a bit more blunt in order to save up time on writing walls/explaining my tinfoils and be able to continue playing FM with a busy schedule… but recently I’m seeing that this might have come with a bunch of negative side effects xd
If you’d like to point out the stuff that made you uncomfortable, I’d be very thankful. I’m still trying to find where is the point where I should just stop so any kind of feedback would be very valuable
If anyone else would like to say anything, point out where I went overboard, please do say it. If you don’t want to talk here, doing it privately is fine as well. Having some sort of feedback will definitely make it easier to fix my mistakes


If you’re talking about the post where I… basically said that both alignments threw… sorry xd
I can see how I went overboard there

If I can say one thing to maybe make it a tiny bit better…. if I were scum, I’m almost certain I would have mis-played heavily there as well. I kept thinking about the game enough during the night to basically just convince myself that nanook misplayed way worse than they actually did… xd
I would have most likely killed luck as scum, which would have been probably a worse misplay than killing kami there
so honestly, I’d deserve way worse xd


I think the scums played a good game overall. The town won this game not because they correctly identified enough scum-tells but because of coincidental, lucky cop claims…
Esooa claimed a correct guilty
kami claimed a correct guilty
luckbox claimed a lot of correct checks as well
the mafia got confused by all of that
and nanook… would have most likely been killed in a normal game :/

If hyena didn’t counterclaim there, there’s a high chance that he would have been end-gamed… There is a chance that I could have given the scum victory just because of defending hyena too much xd
So I don’t really feel like the victory is meaningful in any way

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:35 pm Fwiw I checked creature cause fmpov luck was already lock town for me so the only world the game wasn't locked fmpov was if creature was town

Which was pretty unlikely but still the best check imo given game is locked if they're mafia and the only time they don't die is if they're green checked

fair tbh

just to make it clear: it’s survivalistic but not necessarily scum-indicative. It shows that you either know or just worry about being wrong, which at least imo isn’t that easy to distinguish

lemme just go to sleep. I hope to wake up to the game being over

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:08 pm I mean I'm secretly hoping that you're the wolf and not Deli but it definitely isn't me and I was pretty sure Nanook was seer on D2. I think Deli ends the game about 98% of the time though

if you want some feedback / a tip for the future, constantly repeating that “it’s not you” and town-casing yourself without a need for it probably wouldn’t be considered townie by the majority of players

or at least in my case, it generally only makes me paranoid :/

The only way luck would have made that night kill is if I don’t understand them at all

which probably never happens here tbh

[VOTE: deli] aubergine

I have nothing more to say. Yesterday’s night kill probably just spewed them wolf

first the cop lied and got a townie forcefully eliminated

he mafia decided NOT to kill the claimed cop, giving him a chance to get additional green checks
one of the scum, who was deep into people’s town-cores, made a suicidal fake-claim and died.
and they STILL didn’t kill the cop, which should have made the game mechanically impossible for scum to win
but wait wait, then the cop then made the ONLY check which would NOT guarantee a win
and then got finally killed

….I don’t think I’ve seen another game with so many misplays
this is legit just a meme

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:44 pm Let me guess Nanook is gonna come in with a red

doesn’t matter
as long as he checked among the PoE, we just win lol

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

let’s just end this game as soon as possible

actually, I’m not surprised why that team would have killed falcon N1 after all
hyena- likes crazy plays
deli- definitely the type to like crazy plays
creature- would probably just agree

fun fact, if nanook is the cop, the only way the scum could win rn is counterclaim them again

GL with that lol

my imagination of the mafia chat:

creature: /kill nanook
deli- but I really think nanook was lying. I’m good at finding PRs
esooa’s red on hyena could make them the cop
creature: /shrug, do what you want, I’m dead anyway

actually [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

I’ll just wait for nanook

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:12 pm yeah wait for Nanook and hammer is basically fine.
I was assuming I was going to have argue with Deli about how they are a wolf but that can happen tomorrow.

GUN TO THE HEAD: I think it should be deli as well.
The only thing deli has done is get online, find some bullshit explanation to get a scum-read, voice confidence in it and dip.

and honestly, I can see them making a desperate, weird ass kill for no reason but you, not really… You still seem to try to get yourself cleared at least, which means that as scum you’d still have some hope to play the game normally

The only reasons scum would make that kill are:
1- nanook is not the cop. One of [nanook/fingers/sparkle] is scum. In that case I seriously ask the real cop to…. ask themselves what the heck they’re doing… :/
if they haven’t claimed by now….. lol

just lol

2- the mafia gave up and decided that their only way of winning is hoping that nanook is not the cop. (or one of the mafia strongly believed that nanook is lying)… in that case…. they just lost lol
nanook can say their check and we’ll have enough lynches left to eliminate the entire PoE

If anyone still wants to provide cop cover- go ahead. I’m already confirmed not cop because I claimed a green on hyena

apparently the mafia think that nanook is not the cop so that might not be entirely useless lmao

I’m all for a quickhammer btw

maybe just not immediately so that nanook reveals who they checked

night-skips would be great as well

[VOTE: creature] aubergine

Hey creature… you will be eliminated no matter what today
nothing can change that regardless of what you say, do or claim
so like… can you say why hyena wanted to kill falcon N1? :/

honestly, that still feels like a waste

tho definitely not as much as killing esooa lmao

just to make it clear, I am not the cop. I am not counterclaiming cop
I hope no one here counterclaims cop either because that would be honestly… ridiculous

this game is straight out just a meme by now lol

nanook, who did you check?

LOL is nanook not the cop??????? how the absolute fuck

…that kill is literally throwing
LITERALLY throwing

you could have been FPSing tho, hoping that you’ll get killed

Kami wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:22 pm creature w
[VOTE: creature] aubergine

Kami wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:19 pm Luck/kza/creture gg go next

Kami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:20 am creature is confirmed wolf but id be down for a kza vote
[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

Kami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:42 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:26 am how is creature the confirmed mafia lol

cause im seer dumb butt

bah

I have nothing more to say tho. Probably just gonna wait till everything is over

why did that thing pop up at the top??????


lol

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:48 pm I'm hardclaiming cop.

N1-Creature v
N2-Luckbox v
N3-MissSparkles v

I want Nanook's head on a platter.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:50 pm [VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:51 pm Bro stop lying about shit

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:55 pm I'm tired. Can we punish the players lying about being cop?

looking through creature’s ISO
one thing that popped out to me is that creature immediately assumed hyena’s claim was a lie, despite all of hyena’s checks being valid from his pov
Nanook didn’t have time to counterclaim yet

not that it changes anything lol

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:04 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pmKami had a fake green check on Nanook, too. Between that and the red check on Creature, who A LOT of people are scumreading, killing Kami is a good way to redirect attention away from Nanook. I had no control over the Creature check. That was my n0 check.

As much as I would love to be copcleared I think you slipped not cop.

wanna elaborate? :>

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:04 pm

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 pm I’d… maybe consider killing the obvious scum first?

the wagon on creature is still open :P

we can mis-elim twice so if there’s a PoE of 2, it might not even matter

We have only one mis-kill not two. This is D3, 9 players left, 3 wolves. If we miss today tomorrow is lylo.

yeah, that’s what I was talking about, bad wording

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:00 pm

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 pm I’d… maybe consider killing the obvious scum first?

So you?

from your pov nanook lol

you’re not voting him either

I’d… maybe consider killing the obvious scum first?

the wagon on creature is still open :P

we can mis-elim twice so if there’s a PoE of 2, it might not even matter

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:40 pm

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:38 pm You shouldn't black ball people for making questionable plays lol thats definitely overkill

you shouldn’t gamethrow

Everyone gamethrows sometimes

faking red checks, not rescinding when the real cop has counterclaimed, brute-forcing a lynch on their N0 green check? :)
I’d say if you were vanilla, I’d count that as seriously gamethrowing

regardless if it’s with good intentions or not, it should be punished in some way
same goes for most fake red checks imo

as for this game, the only way I wouldn’t see your play as gamethrowing is if you’re really the cop- …the chance of success could actually be statistically fine then tbh
or scum

so like, we’re good XD

I have seriously bad experiences with FPSing townies on my home site… this is just something I don’t accept and get VERY easily triggered by
so feel free to just ignore me

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:38 pm You shouldn't black ball people for making questionable plays lol thats definitely overkill

you shouldn’t gamethrow

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:32 pm

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm …let me say one thing, this is not the right time to go around claiming peeks on players in the PoE
if hyena is the cop, nanook HAS TO rescind. This is not up to discussion.
if he doesn’t and is vanilla, I genuinely hope he gets banned, removed from this site and as many others as humanly possible.

If there is 1 scum among those 2, this needs to be clear.

and honestly, IF no one rescinds, I’d be tempted to just yeet hyena just because of the night kill. This play would make sense coming from scum if they’re desperate and failed at killing the real cop tonight
and I can’t think of a single reason how kami would have been killed if the mafia didn’t think she was the cop

This seems like overkill

I'm not vanilla so it doesn't matter but still

thank you, that’s all I needed :)

honestly, if you were vanilla, your claim would be way worse tho… like… WAY worse
quite literally gamethrowing on multiple levels
not overkill for me

but yeah, it really doesn’t matter now

I think you mistakenly added some lines at the end
You might want to correct that :)

…why is there a smiley in the title of my previous post lol

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm …let me say one thing, this is not the right time to go around claiming peeks on players in the PoE
if hyena is the cop, nanook HAS TO rescind. This is not up to discussion.
if he doesn’t and is vanilla, I genuinely hope he gets banned, removed from this site and as many others as humanly possible.

If there is 1 scum among those 2, this needs to be clear.

that’s the only thing I’ll say

I’m happy with a vote on creature. [VOTE: creature] aubergine

I’ll start considering if the mafia are throwing after he flips, not before that

willing to leave the cops alive for mafia to kill.

literally the only way you can convince me to vote elsewhere is if you find the 3rd scum, outside of [nanook, hyena, creature] and decide to go for that
gl with that tho

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm hyena… I don’t believe your checks make sense either
and that comes from a person who had you as lock town before. It really doesn’t matter how you explain it, why the absolute heck would kami be killed if creature was town?
if that’s a fake claim, holy crap you’re mis-playing so much

Kami had a fake green check on Nanook, too. Between that and the red check on Creature, who A LOT of people are scumreading, killing Kami is a good way to redirect attention away from Nanook. I had no control over the Creature check. That was my n0 check.

it doesn’t matter if you chose the check yourself or not, no one is talking about that lol.

Luck claimed cop as well. They hard-claimedwith a correct, green check on orange and green on nanook. If the mafia wanted to use weird reasoning to get nanook cleared, that was the way to go.
and honestly, I don’t think that’s likely either. Literally so what that it’d give the town slight arguments to town-read nanook when it leaves the cop alive and allows them to get a REAL 100% certain check instead
Your reasoning still makes no sense.

or like… not hyena

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm Let me guess:

Both are fakeclaiming cop

fun fact: in that case hyena would still be scummy
that would mean that they fake-claimed in order to get the only remaining cop-claimant eliminated
the agenda behind it doesn’t change

town just doesn’t do that imo

lol, if hyena is scum here it seems that I can’t read them after all
that’s… kinda disappointing

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:58 pm

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm …let me say one thing, this is not the right time to go around claiming peeks on players in the PoE
if hyena is the cop, nanook HAS TO rescind. This is not up to discussion.
if he doesn’t and is vanilla, I genuinely hope he gets banned, removed from this site and as many others as humanly possible.

If there is 1 scum among those 2, this needs to be clear.

and honestly, IF no one rescinds, I’d be tempted to just yeet hyena just because of the night kill. This play would make sense coming from scum if they’re desperate and failed at killing the real cop tonight
and I can’t think of a single reason how kami would have been killed if the mafia didn’t think she was the cop

Dude, ONE OF THEM IS SCUM, nobody is faking anymore. Signs point to hyena honestly bcz it’s the only thing that makes sense as a scum play tbh

yuuup, agree here

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm If nook is town cop why didn’t scum not kill hik? Unless they thought countering after a red peek would be enough snd tbh that would be true

because kami claimed a red check on creature and nanook was a confirmed liar
I genuinely see no other explanation

hyena… I don’t believe your checks make sense either
and that comes from a person who had you as lock town before. It really doesn’t matter how you explain it, why the absolute heck would kami be killed if creature was town?
if that’s a fake claim, holy crap you’re mis-playing so much

another solution would be just waiting it out
letting the cops get checks and killing outside of them

If the mafia want to let the real cop live- GREAT!

I’d probably have to check how many mis-lynches we have left before we lose tho

…let me say one thing, this is not the right time to go around claiming peeks on players in the PoE
if hyena is the cop, nanook HAS TO rescind. This is not up to discussion.
if he doesn’t and is vanilla, I genuinely hope he gets banned, removed from this site and as many others as humanly possible.

If there is 1 scum among those 2, this needs to be clear.

and honestly, IF no one rescinds, I’d be tempted to just yeet hyena just because of the night kill. This play would make sense coming from scum if they’re desperate and failed at killing the real cop tonight
and I can’t think of a single reason how kami would have been killed if the mafia didn’t think she was the cop

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:43 pm

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:42 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:41 pm

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:32 pm Hyena's claim on Creature has like a 2% chance of being real or some shit, that's just so ridiculous. Hyena's check on creature also is next to necessary because he is dying today and they still don't know the seer (evidenced by Kami kill)/the seer still being alive is really bad for them. The only question is if Creature could have possibly claimed seer with his checks becuase it might be weird Hyena did instead of him

There is also the fact nanooks checks are town and the players have been towny, while Hyena checks are town but creature is acting scummy

…why not vote creature then????

there's a fucking cc bruh

???????????????

Hyena and nanook are both claiming cop

lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:41 pm

ejjinami wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:32 pm Hyena's claim on Creature has like a 2% chance of being real or some shit, that's just so ridiculous. Hyena's check on creature also is next to necessary because he is dying today and they still don't know the seer (evidenced by Kami kill)/the seer still being alive is really bad for them. The only question is if Creature could have possibly claimed seer with his checks becuase it might be weird Hyena did instead of him

There is also the fact nanooks checks are town and the players have been towny, while Hyena checks are town but creature is acting scummy

…why not vote creature then????

there's a fucking cc bruh

???????????????

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pm I'm saying because there's no way creature is town there's no way your town check is right

There's a way if you get out of your tunnel

what are your reads on deli and finger