The Syndicate

I know that Felt Mafia isn't a great example of Kate's wolf range but if Kate/Ex is wolfing in this game then I think there's a fairly noticeable jump in the quality of Kate's wolf game.

That + the two final posts in Kate's ISO make it pretty hard for me to just shrug and say "oh it's just Ex".

Game's tough, nobody really feels like a wolf.

...I'm back.

If y'all think I might ne the wolf here then you *really* shouldn't be leaving me to be the sole person posting for such a large proportion of the game.

This is rough.

Taking another break.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:59 am Wigly would know as he was the wolf in the game Daisy found him.

Heading to a meeting.

I can vouch that the events Roxy described in that game were accurate.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:46 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:18 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:17 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:22 am Roxy, very important question but on a 1-10 scale how much do you townread Wiml and who would you vote if Wilgy flipped Town?

Wigly is town after the last elim 100% of the time.

Wiml the eod was made a bit scattershot bc of there vote jumping. It gave me bad vibes when reading it. Wiml town 40% of the time.

How is Wilgy 100% town from that EoD?

he did not vote jump and was sketched out by you trying to flip the vote to him. I did not read Epi's eod any better than I had read him all game or any game for that matter so you trying to last minute flip felt ---- wrong. And made me realize that Wigly is town.

I think you're missing some information here.

It was only about 5 minutes before EoD so a lot of the votes weren't explicitly written in the thread (no time to vote so people user the poll only) so you seem to be pretty mistaken on how things went down here.

It was actually Wilgy who instigated the vote jumps and not me. I was very unhappy about this. Then Epi voted Abigail. This forced me to move my vote in order to protect both myself and Abigail from being at risk of dying (which would obviously have been a terrible outcome) which I did by starting the wagon on Wilgy, the other person I'd expressed willingness to vote outside of Epi.

This led to a situation where the wagons were Epi/Wilgy and me and Abigail were safe. If I hadn't moved, me/Abigail could have been in a position to flip instead.

Epi was towny during this vote exchange because he deliberately voted in a way that put his own wagon into the lead and was willing to die. He could have self-preserved and chose not to. A wolf in that situation doesn't just willingly give up and let themselves die when they can vote somebody else to survive that day phase.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:39 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:34 am @DrWilgy Why the EoD3 shenanigans?

Fun AND to see how you'd respond.

That's why I asked you about why you felt the need to urge Epi onto me, but I haven't really digested your response yet.

I'll say without digestion of your response, it did feel as if you were very much a wolf overly concerned with Epi self preserving onto you vs me. I know I'm at least not likely to think that way unless my survival was vital, but I also ack that we very likely think differently, so I really need to just consume your response from earlier.

Does it really work as a reaction test if I know that it's a reaction test though?

But yeah, you're right about most of what you're saying here just not that it's wolf-indicative for me. Situations like that will always make me go into "avoid the worst case scenario" mode (where the worst case scenario was a wagon forming on either me or Abigail for previously stated reasons).

I thought that you'd be very unlikely to keep your vote on me seriously but I did anticipate that people would see Epi refusing to self pres and vote on the counterwagon to save him regardless of who that counterwagon was and I didn't want that counterwagon to be me or Abi obviously.

And I didn't want to vote Epi at that point in time either but refused to create 1-1-1 wagons because ew you know exactly what happens there.

@DrWilgy Why the EoD3 shenanigans?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:27 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:44 am The narrative that me saying that Wilgy looks mildly good because his only vocal defender died (something I later changed my mind on) is somehow trying to pocket him is ridiculous.

That's just a regular townread point. By that logic, almost everyone in the game has pocketed almost everyone else.

Like, there's not even a given reason for why I'd want to pocket him as it wouldn't have any benefit for me. Nor is there any reason why I'd think that Wilgy would he susceptible to being pocketed if I were wolfing since the guy has already accused me of pocketing him every time I've expressed a reason why he might he town during the game.

So this whole thing is unfounded and nonsensical.

I don't usually respond to this stuff but it's getting pretty irritating atp.

I am so sorry if I have caused you any irritation I will tone down the pocket talk.

No, it's my bad please continue and do as you'd like.

I'm just feeling a bit stressed.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:25 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:42 am Even if you did hammer the gap between it and any other wagons were too large, at that point it feels somewhat natural for the scumbud to be in it if around EoD

I do totes agree with post but me as a baddie would have made a case on someone and really would have tried to save them on D 1 with a bit of chaos around their elim. I always want to have all my baddie team alive at the end of game.

This lines up with what I've seen of wolf-Roxy previously.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:23 am The comment on Abgail being pretty much IC and on Wilm being 40% town make me scumread Roxy's slot a bit more, because it explains the nightkill to me.

I also find a bit weird that despite her towncoring my slot she wasn't a very active defender of Kate after people started discussing putting her on PoE.

I don't know about the hammering comment being a possible townslip?

I'm not convinced that it was a townslip necessarily Amy more but I am thinking that it's something that's useful for reading Roxy's mindset towards EoD1.

I do genuinely believe that Roxy though she had hammered Lime Coke.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:04 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:34 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:59 pm My PoE was and is You and Wiml (has been my 'I might be wrong' for a minute now). Wiml goes from having me as the counter to now spewed. I think it's reasonable to see the agenda of 'Wiml killed Abigail and is now raising that as a positive to me to pocket me.' Further, you ask specifically for my thoughts on the subject and I don't know if I've seen your own conclusion for it yet, thus it's also reasonable for me to question 'Ex killed Abigail and is questioning me specifically, what are they hoping to impress upon me?' I have no resistance to discussing it, but both you AND wiml's discussion had me as a subject thus leading to questioning.

Pulled this quote out of a response to ExLite.

I thought the spewed thing was weird. PA had Me, Michelle and you in her trust circle for awhile. For Wiml to just pull you along as spewed read as a pocket attempt to try and get you to side with them for whatever their agenda is today.

It is why I hate pockets or attempts to pocket.

I agree with this. I don't know why you weren't included in the NKA threadspew. Maybe I'll see something related on catchup. If the thought was 'Kill Abigail who's now consensus TR and butter up Wilgy' when making the kill, it makes alot of sense if the fact it'd spew you T in likeness was forgotten.

Not super sure why the kill would spew Roxy town since she had at least two other vocal defenders yesterday.

Meanwhile you had one and she died.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:17 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:22 am Roxy, very important question but on a 1-10 scale how much do you townread Wiml and who would you vote if Wilgy flipped Town?

Wigly is town after the last elim 100% of the time.

Wiml the eod was made a bit scattershot bc of there vote jumping. It gave me bad vibes when reading it. Wiml town 40% of the time.

How is Wilgy 100% town from that EoD?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:58 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:33 am @DrWilgy regardless of whatever conclusion I come to on Roxy once I've finished at stuff I'd definitely appreciate a full towncase on her from you detailing why she's a villager and why I should sheep you.

Blah, I'd need to be convinced to throw out more than I've already, but maybe if the Wednesday hellscape calms down.

If your read is 1. correct and 2. is well reasoned enough that it convinces me that I can sheep you then that solves the game for me right then and there.

At that point I'm pretty confident that this game ends in a town win.

Roxy is absolutely not the type to fake not knowing the hammer rules.

So her being a wolf is possible but you'd have to argue that she managed to get by several hours without Lime Coke saying anything in wolf chat.

Maaaaybe that's possible? But I think that's a point in her favour.

I fully believe that Roxy thought that she hammered Lime Coke.

And like

How does a wolf not realise that their wolf buddy in mafia chat isn't dead?

Let me chew on this some more.

I think Roxy just townslipped.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:54 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:32 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:01 pmAbigail dies, the two that I find closest to PoE have opinions about it or are fixated on it. Doesn't seem quite the leap to thinking that there's agenda on it.

Yes but you don't seem to have put any thought into what that agenda would be.

I'm the one who brought up and you thought I was doing something that would be extremely -ev as a wolf who basically always would need to miselim you this game.

Meanwhile Ex's commentary was mostly in response to me and wasn't really pushing a whole lot that I've seen.

What sort of agenda is actually being pushed here? The only one seeming to be pushing one here is you.

Was this one answered by continued reading?

Yeah, you can ignore these as I got the answers on reread.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:48 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:42 am If Roxy has more wolf games in the last few years or really just whenever then I'd really like to see them.

The more games backing up the "Roxy doesn't bus" trend, the better. Two games isn't really a big enough same size to be certain.

Additionally, by the time Roxy voted Lime Coke had already gone into antispew and dipped from the thread. At that point, I think he would have encouraged any potential wolf mate to bus him.

gonna be hard to find recent games as took an almost decade break. I've been back for a few games mostly town told you both of my wolf games I won as a jester in a baby game. I am not sure how much more you would need as I have not even looked at any of your games bc they really do not matter to *this* game imo.

Thank you. The games matter within the context of Wilgy attempting to clear you on the basis of meta but me thinking I want a larger sample size than 2 games.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:49 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:42 am If Roxy has more wolf games in the last few years or really just whenever then I'd really like to see them.

The more games backing up the "Roxy doesn't bus" trend, the better. Two games isn't really a big enough same size to be certain.

Additionally, by the time Roxy voted Lime Coke had already gone into antispew and dipped from the thread. At that point, I think he would have encouraged any potential wolf mate to bus him.

I hammered but I still understand this read.

You definitely didn't hammer, D1 continued after that point. Wilgy voted Abigail and Epi voted Lime.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:50 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:45 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:11 pmI am friends with Abgail and I'm aware that she will often be willing to trust me. Not only that but I'm pretty sure she said loud and clear that she said in-thread that she would defend me this game? We literally just came out of a game where I tried to help her win as arsonist. It's not fallacies, we got each other's back and I'm 100% sure she wouldn't hesitate to trust me when I say I'm Town.

I'll admit that with this context I think Ex killing Abigail is a lot less likely.

So a WEx Light would never kill PA?

After thinking about it more, he probably still would if he was worried that Abigail would find his alignment.

So it's just a null overall.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:45 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:32 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:01 pmAbigail dies, the two that I find closest to PoE have opinions about it or are fixated on it. Doesn't seem quite the leap to thinking that there's agenda on it.

Yes but you don't seem to have put any thought into what that agenda would be.

I'm the one who brought up and you thought I was doing something that would be extremely -ev as a wolf who basically always would need to miselim you this game.

Meanwhile Ex's commentary was mostly in response to me and wasn't really pushing a whole lot that I've seen.

What sort of agenda is actually being pushed here? The only one seeming to be pushing one here is you.

The "agenda" felt like you were trying for a pocket attempt. tbf It is how the whole thing came across to me during my catch up.

Again:

How could one town point in favour of somebody (something I've done probably a hundred separate times this game) and then explaining that town point be a pocket attempt moreso than any other time I did this during the game?

How would townreading/pocketing Wilgy there even benefit me? He's somebody I'd almost certainly need to convince people to vote if I was wolfing anyway.

This Wilgy read was not something I went on about. It's something that other people went on about on my behalf.

I never said half of these things so I can't defend them.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:42 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:05 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:04 am The kill was mildly a good look for Wilgy and nothing more.

I very rarely clear based on NKA. I can say that somebody is spewed town by something without having them as a clear.

With additional context, I no longer believe that Wilgy doesn't make that kill anyway.

After all the spew talk you now take an oppo stance. Idk wtf to think rn lol

Yes, because between those two posts Wilgy gave new information that made it clear that my initial stance was flawed.

Obviously under new information I change my read.

Also, I only said that I thought the kill looked good for Wilgy in one post (and another when asked to explain why). I don't strongly believe in it or make a big ordeal out of it.

Other people made a big ordeal about this throwaway read of mine after I went to bed. I wasn't present.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:40 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:04 am The kill was mildly a good look for Wilgy and nothing more.

I very rarely clear based on NKA. I can say that somebody is spewed town by something without having them as a clear.

why just Wigly tho? Not Michelle? Not me?

Because Abigail was his only vocal defender.

The narrative that me saying that Wilgy looks mildly good because his only vocal defender died (something I later changed my mind on) is somehow trying to pocket him is ridiculous.

That's just a regular townread point. By that logic, almost everyone in the game has pocketed almost everyone else.

Like, there's not even a given reason for why I'd want to pocket him as it wouldn't have any benefit for me. Nor is there any reason why I'd think that Wilgy would he susceptible to being pocketed if I were wolfing since the guy has already accused me of pocketing him every time I've expressed a reason why he might he town during the game.

So this whole thing is unfounded and nonsensical.

I don't usually respond to this stuff but it's getting pretty irritating atp.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:37 am @_ExLight I believe I hammered Limey's elim. FYI.

You didn't lol.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:34 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:59 pm My PoE was and is You and Wiml (has been my 'I might be wrong' for a minute now). Wiml goes from having me as the counter to now spewed. I think it's reasonable to see the agenda of 'Wiml killed Abigail and is now raising that as a positive to me to pocket me.' Further, you ask specifically for my thoughts on the subject and I don't know if I've seen your own conclusion for it yet, thus it's also reasonable for me to question 'Ex killed Abigail and is questioning me specifically, what are they hoping to impress upon me?' I have no resistance to discussing it, but both you AND wiml's discussion had me as a subject thus leading to questioning.

Pulled this quote out of a response to ExLite.

I thought the spewed thing was weird. PA had Me, Michelle and you in her trust circle for awhile. For Wiml to just pull you along as spewed read as a pocket attempt to try and get you to side with them for whatever their agenda is today.

It is why I hate pockets or attempts to pocket.

No, PA had me, you and Wilgy in her trust circle. Not Michelle.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:08 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:21 pm Abgail didn't die as a WTF kill. Nobody did so far.

Falcon was obviously Town because Lime only got FUCKED because he trying to push for his lynch with the jankiest arguments. JJJ was pretty much towncleared as well because they hounded the shit outta Lime. Abgail was likely picked because she wasn't in the PoE the thread been pushing for - everyone remaining here was discussed to some degree (with exception of maybe Michelle?), which makes pretty clear the last scum is either controlling the PoE narrative or at the very least keeping a close eye on the thread.
Which by the way is wild as fuck because I was certain Wiml was gonna get shot because that D1 interaction is definitely a townclear in my book, but I guess people throwing the weird shade and saying nonsense about them being potential mafia was enough to avert a kill.

Wiml looks way better during the Lime elim than JJJ.

Abigail was killed bc she was widely regarded as IC. Her last list of trust kind of puts me in a position to maybe follow them but tbh we have rarely worked together and the first time we do she gets NK'ed.

Why did you think that Abi died over Michelle or you when you were both arguably more townread than her?

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:04 am is it because I'm trying to multiquote on mobile

Works fine for me

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:43 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:16 pm

Spoiler: show

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:10 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:59 pm I randomly had the thought a couple of hours ago that wolf-Ex might kill Abigail because we made out like she was super townread when summarising the game to him.

I don't actually remember to what extent that's true and would have to read things but that's hilarious if that actually happened.

Paranoid and bad thought, I would've shot you or Michelle.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:05 pm Nice to see Wilgy get spewed town by the NK though.

???

I mean it's less a *real* read and more me being amused that I randomly had the thought that Abigail might die as a wtf kill and then Abigail died as a wtf kill.

Initial take was that Wilgy probably wouldn't make that kill since 1. Abigail was his only real vocal defender and 2. The kill spews me as town and I am the person he'd need to try to F3 elim as a wolf after your elim to win.

This is the second time of you saying the kill spews you as town.

I am sorry I have seen a lot of things while playing mafia why you think *anyone* would be clear after a NK or Elim is beyond my understanding.

Brilliant play is just brilliant. "Doing things you never do when playing would make everyone doubt it was you." is brilliant play.
Play I have been burned by a number of times.

No kill/elim clears anyone for me.

Not sure where you think I said it the first time tbh.

But nah, at least as the meta tends to be right now these things tend to be discarded as WIFOM. I obviously could choose to kill Abigail over Michelle as a wolf for example but making such a suboptimal kill from my perspective would never be worthwhile for minimal, if any, towncred (as is obvious from the fact that I got no towncred from it here lol). So it's much closer to playing worse for no benefit than it is "brilliant play".

(I brought it up as a point for Wilgy specifically because I still thought that he'd be worried about spewing me town and out of the PoE due to how much he would need me in the PoE for him to win but it's a point I dropped shortly after making the post).

However, self towncasing myself wasn't the point of that post. There are many less WIFOM-y reasons why I'm town.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:37 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:59 pm I randomly had the thought a couple of hours ago that wolf-Ex might kill Abigail because we made out like she was super townread when summarising the game to him.

I don't actually remember to what extent that's true and would have to read things but that's hilarious if that actually happened.

lol I had the same thought. But then I am in full circle mode where I leap person to person in my head thinking they are the final baddie.

Yeah, I relate to that feeling and it's leaving me a bit burned.

Right now I feel happy that Michelle is a villager but outside of that I'm struggling on finding anybody else's alignment to that level of confidence.

In general Roxy, I'm very interested in hearing where your head's at and chatting with you when you're around.

Another thing I was meaning to ask: in your opinion, how valid is Wilgy's meta read on you? Is it true that you wouldn't have voted Lime Coke there as mafia?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:21 am I am terribly sorry but I went through the worst storm of my life, was stuck in my car for hours as live electrical poles and wires sizzled around several cars. WE were then taken to a firehall until the lines could be shut down and poles moved so we could leave in our cars then I went home to no power or internets while I did have internet yesterday while at work I was busy (yes too busy to post)

I am going to do my best today <3

Understandable, I'm glad you're alright!

I got less out of that than I'd hoped tbh.

Taking another break, I'm getting pretty burned out.

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:30 pm ewww JJJ did not vote for Quin??

Is this the last post of a player about to NK JJJ?

@DrWilgy regardless of whatever conclusion I come to on Roxy once I've finished at stuff I'd definitely appreciate a full towncase on her from you detailing why she's a villager and why I should sheep you.

Wait, Roxy gives new players D1 passes so that means she probably wouldn't have been willing Roxy N1 me, right?

And since she attributed the Lime Coke elim to Falcon but not as much JJJ I guess that the N1K at least makes a lot of sense from her as a wolf since JJJ and I both wouldn't be on her NK radar.

I said this previously Ex but I think Roxy attributing the Lime Coke flip to me/Falcon (but not JJJ) and then shading JJJ during D2 (having him 4th in her PoE and then criticising his lack of a hammer) make killing JJJ over me weird.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:53 pm have had an wild afternoon and need to get Ariya fast. So I have to vote now vote limey
I cannot read him one way or the other except the disappearing act is never a good sign. I'll thank Wiml for this if we get a hit but will not blame them if we don't. I do like their case and felt they have the knowledge of Limey that I just don't.

This vote is well set up prior to this and makes sense from Roxy's perspective as a villager.

The issue is that the vote itself comes *after* Lime Coke's final post with the vote on me. At that point in time, it's clear that Lime Coke thought he was doomed no matter what and I'm sure that if it was brought up in wolf chat he would have encouraged his partner to bus him if they were not bussing him at that point already. The guy had literally given up, after all.

So it's unfortunately way more difficult to clear Roxy on the basis of this vote than it would be to do so for an earlier vote.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:30 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:34 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:08 am

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:06 pm Pie is delicious.

So much better than cake.

GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kate is wrong.
Kate is always wrong in this scenario.
Kate hates Pie.
Kate is civ.
Yep these posts prove it to me.

Cake ftmfw

Could you explain what about those posts makes you think Kate is town please?

the great cake pie debate is from a decade ago on another mafia site. Idk how to explain it but when pie and cake are discussed by Kate she is usually town I know it seems a weird read but it makes total sense in my vibe style of playing.

I was fine with this explanation at the time but could you please explain this in more detail now?

I'll admit that a large part of why I've been as willing to townread Roxy as I have been has been on the basis of Wilgy's meta clear there that he's been extremely confident on. If Wilgy is town then I believed I could trust his judgement and if Wilgy is a wolf then Roxy obviously to be town.

Just working through the meat of Roxy's ISO now.

@Roxy, how come you never voted yesterday?

I'll stop procrastinating and do a review of Roxy's ISO.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:22 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:06 am @_ExLight Please link the last two games you played with Abigail for me.

https://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.ph ... ns.297597/

https://zeldadungeon.net/forum/threads/ ... ead.74581/

Honestly not great games because she was scum in both. There were was a game between those but it was a shaky one cuz it was likely my worst performance cuz my mental state went to shit at the time lmfao so I'd rather forget that game.

Rip, no recent town games then? I wanted to see how she approached her read on you mostly.

Skimmed Abi's ISO in the ZD game and not much to say there and the Bulba one I'll have to look at later since I'm not getting the site to load for me. But thanks regardless.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:04 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:05 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:04 am The kill was mildly a good look for Wilgy and nothing more.

I very rarely clear based on NKA. I can say that somebody is spewed town by something without having them as a clear.

With additional context, I no longer believe that Wilgy doesn't make that kill anyway.

Ok, I was really curious about your answer because my take was the opposite.
Wilgy made an almost lock town read for Abigail, so if wolf Wilgy could never chop her/ insert her into the Poe, so I thought that if Wilgy is a wolf killing her makes the most sense.

Yeah, my initial reaction to the flip was mostly based on the thought tha Wilgy wouldn't kill Abigail because Abigail would hard defend Wilgy today and might vote to save him in F3.

But then with the additional context of Wilgy seeming to think that Abigail would come into today defending Ex it seems much more understandable why he might make that kill because wolf-Wilgy never has a shot at winning this game if Ex is towncleared.

@_ExLight Please link the last two games you played with Abigail for me.

Taking a break, I'll be back later.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:15 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:10 pm @Ex would've Wiml known to kill Abigail to break you two apart?

No, I don't think they ever played together so he wouldn't how she interacts with me.

Aye, I think the only two to know this would get you and me, unless somehow she just got hit in the crossfire, but I don't know what would cause that.

I think though, if my goal is to really separate you and Abigail, I NK you instead and hope Abigail doesn't waver.

Is that the type of analysis you are looking for?

I think there's all of 0 chance you NK Ex there tbh.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:11 pmI am friends with Abgail and I'm aware that she will often be willing to trust me. Not only that but I'm pretty sure she said loud and clear that she said in-thread that she would defend me this game? We literally just came out of a game where I tried to help her win as arsonist. It's not fallacies, we got each other's back and I'm 100% sure she wouldn't hesitate to trust me when I say I'm Town.

I'll admit that with this context I think Ex killing Abigail is a lot less likely.

If Roxy has more wolf games in the last few years or really just whenever then I'd really like to see them.

The more games backing up the "Roxy doesn't bus" trend, the better. Two games isn't really a big enough same size to be certain.

Additionally, by the time Roxy voted Lime Coke had already gone into antispew and dipped from the thread. At that point, I think he would have encouraged any potential wolf mate to bus him.

@Roxy this is the day that I really need you here and involved as much as possible please. Things are getting very tight and determining your alignment to the highest confidence level possible is very important here.