The Syndicate

Lol oops I didn't actually expect to get annoyed by that as much as I did.

It's just that completely discrediting the way I'm playing the game as "oh you're not even trying to solve" is bad and you should probably feel a little bad for it lol.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:59 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:52 am illario remind me why you're acumreading me outside of preflight associations with Nanook?

Oh it has nothing to do with nanook,

Essentially: I think ur playing with a survival mindset more than a solving mindset. An example is that u trd trans when the lobby was townrrading him, then found him scummy when his consensus changed. You looked to reconsider you read on him towards eod when essoa was thinking he’s town and when trans had towny moments but you also said lines such as “trans has to be the hammer today” and that type of suggestion didn’t line up with everything else you were saying imo.

A similar thing happened a bit earlier just when u cased mac, the timing of it felt right at the same time that people were ganging up on mac tthe most. Ender has been getting townier today and myself and essoa are starting to tr him, u mentioned him being towny pretty recently too despite being at odds with him for most of d1. It just feels like ur adjusting ur read a lot based around what essoa and other consensus slots are saying, instead of organically coming to those conclusions yourself through your own scumhunting.

So to actually address all of this:

- The thread never townread Transcend.
- Even if the thread did townread Transcend me changing my read wouldn't mean much anyway because there must have been valid reasons for the other people to townread him as well.
- You literally acknowledged at EoD1 that I was attempting to save matt and gave up once he started self voting. Don't act like I stopped trying to save him because he got scumread lol.
- Yes, I said that matt had to be a policy chop if he insisted on self voting when he was at tied wagons with Mac. That was while I was defending him yes.
- I was LITERALLY asked to explain my scumread on Mac by Esooa. Read the post I'm responding to first please.
- I also mentioned why Ender was town earlier. "Ender is getting townier today" and then you scumread me for agreeing? Yes I also think he has been townier today that's not a read personal to you surprisingly.

I'll make my own reads and not be dictated by others but thanks.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:01 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:52 am illario remind me why you're acumreading me outside of preflight associations with Nanook?
And comments like that feel like they’re made to discredit the validity of reads, you’re trying to make my read seem weak my labeling it as a pre-flip association when my read on you has nothing to do with nanooks alignnment. I just independently find other slots in the poe to be very towny rn, combined with the points mentioned in my previous post as well as the points esooa brought up earlier

I was mostly asking out of interest tbh.

I mean I the nicest way possible I don't think you need my help to discredit that read on me lol.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:59 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:52 am illario remind me why you're acumreading me outside of preflight associations with Nanook?

Oh it has nothing to do with nanook,

Essentially: I think ur playing with a survival mindset more than a solving mindset. An example is that u trd trans when the lobby was townrrading him, then found him scummy when his consensus changed. You looked to reconsider you read on him towards eod when essoa was thinking he’s town and when trans had towny moments but you also said lines such as “trans has to be the hammer today” and that type of suggestion didn’t line up with everything else you were saying imo.

A similar thing happened a bit earlier just when u cased mac, the timing of it felt right at the same time that people were ganging up on mac tthe most. Ender has been getting townier today and myself and essoa are starting to tr him, u mentioned him being towny pretty recently too despite being at odds with him for most of d1. It just feels like ur adjusting ur read a lot based around what essoa and other consensus slots are saying, instead of organically coming to those conclusions yourself through your own scumhunting.

Im mildly disappointed but also not surprised lol.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:53 am LC's play in the 18er is kinda like his town meta.

Or what I'm calling his town meta at least?

I actually mistakenly said he was in town meta that game lol.

*preflip

illario remind me why you're acumreading me outside of preflight associations with Nanook?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:46 am
alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:42 am https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Named-18er

thoughts on this BK scumgame? i'm going to run to the store but i'll look at it when im back because iirc he had people fooled for awhile
This is probably my best scum game.

Which is a shame because the rest of my team sucked.

It wasn't a shame for me when I buried them though.

Sorry, couldn't resist lol.

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:42 am https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Named-18er

thoughts on this BK scumgame? i'm going to run to the store but i'll look at it when im back because iirc he had people fooled for awhile

Oh this one lol.

I hadn't noticed it was the same alexa linked.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:42 am That being said, I'll take a look back over for the scumread meta you just mentioned.

Did you read the vigilante 18er?

That's the one BK wolf game where he actually fooled me, although admittedly because he invoked his emotional tell when I pushed him that made me back off him at the time.

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:12 am the LC pressure is fine with me. I'm not sure I fully agree with it yet but I think his response will make his alignment clear.

Pretty much this yeah, although I wouldn't discuss this any further.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:53 am It just feels like one of those moments were scum feel compelled to mention their partners name just to show that they are thinking about them

Obviously, this only applies in a scum!Wiml world

How about we read me properly first instead of preflipping over me being willing to wagon a widely PoEed slot?

Honestly atp I think Ender might be more likely town than LC.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:09 am Someone hand me a shovel, I'mma bury LC.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:41 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:43 pm @alexa what's your read on Nanook atm?
this is literally the only time i could find in his 9 pages iso where there was a result for searching nanook. there is almost no build-up to wiml being willing to vote nanook, or him showing any real concern to try and solve nanook or any strong interactions between the two, and it almost seems like he tacked it on

I already said Nook was in my PoE and I was pretty sure he would be perma-PoEed for me all game if town anyway. I had nothing against a wagon on him.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:54 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:52 am Nah if Mac was my partner I would never want to bus him lol. You know what my typical wolf partners have been like.
maybe

but if he's your partner you two are kinda in a bad situation so you gotta do something

Ok but D1 bussing each other out of the gate in a mountainous?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:52 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:50 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:45 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:44 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:40 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:39 am [vimeo][/vimeo]
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:52 am I'm gonna feel pretty bad if I'm misreading wiml
Don't worry your case on me honestly probably made my day lol.
whys that
Hard to explain, it's surreal but in a funny way.
ftr it's not just cause you disagreed with me

it just felt really weird and awkward how you did
I don't ever recall you dropping a read like that on a player I fairly strongly scumread before. I wasn't really expecting to disagree with what you were saying either but it felt super ehh.
honestly I've been kinda lazy with explaining reads in general is prolly why

This would have maybe have been nice to bring up a lot earlier earlier lmao.

Nah if Mac was my partner I would never want to bus him lol. You know what my typical wolf partners have been like.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:50 am wiml part of why I wolf read you is you're acting so w/w with Mac btw that's why I wanted your read on him lol

Really? Lol.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:45 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:44 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:40 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:39 am [vimeo][/vimeo]
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:52 am I'm gonna feel pretty bad if I'm misreading wiml
Don't worry your case on me honestly probably made my day lol.
whys that
Hard to explain, it's surreal but in a funny way.
ftr it's not just cause you disagreed with me

it just felt really weird and awkward how you did

I don't ever recall you dropping a read like that on a player I fairly strongly scumread before. I wasn't really expecting to disagree with what you were saying either but it felt super ehh.

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:55 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:52 am I'm gonna feel pretty bad if I'm misreading wiml
but fuck mac right

You're the designated bus sorry.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:55 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:52 am I'm gonna feel pretty bad if I'm misreading wiml
Same.

But I'm probably going to make mistakes as I work on improving my play. So.

Feel a bit better about Ender after this post.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:40 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:39 am [vimeo][/vimeo]
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:52 am I'm gonna feel pretty bad if I'm misreading wiml
Don't worry your case on me honestly probably made my day lol.
whys that

Hard to explain, it's surreal but in a funny way.

[vimeo][/vimeo]

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:52 am I'm gonna feel pretty bad if I'm misreading wiml

Don't worry your case on me honestly probably made my day lol.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:41 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:41 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:39 am Mac how could I get mad while listening to this>?

>Matryoshka.

Good taste.

I don't know the rest.
I'm not actually listening to that

I'm listening to this

I think it's suiting tbh.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:32 am @Wiml did you see what I said about ender

Yeah and I agree with it I just haven't gotten round to responding to it yet because I'm still a few pages behind.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:29 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:26 am I'm like the youngest person here please don't make me tell you all to behave.
Wiml with quality content.

And hypocritical as well but shh.

I'm like the youngest person here please don't make me tell you all to behave.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:32 am I do think wiml is town. I just identify so hard with his feels.

I think Alexa is town. Ilario from her read sure.

Esooa somehow playing a game with continual hostile town flare ups and remaining chill is crazy to me though. Until she joins the fuckfest I am still sus.

Ender also town for being a baby at times.

Yeah this feels GTO.

What do you mean by my feels?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:11 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:08 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:29 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:09 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:06 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:47 am Ender's reaction to the case on me is really bad.
Are you just going to call everything I do bad?

I honestly can't take your actions in good faith right now.
This is a bad reaction as well.
Yes. Because our interactions so far have been:
Me: "Wiml might be a wolf for vague reasons, don't push it."
You: "What are your reasons? I've been towny!"
Me: "You haven't done any towntells that I don't think you can fake as mafia."
You: "Towntell? I burnt your last towntell in Scythe."
Me: "I don't like that reaction. Eventually back off to put you closer to null as I scumread Mac and others more."

Esooa: "Here's a case on Wiml."
Me: "Hey that justifies my bad feel about his push back on me earlier also I kinda agree with it."
You: "That's a bad case and a bad reaction."

Almost half our interactions have been you reacting to me because I won't townread you.

I don't know whether that's a scum reaction or a town assuming you should be townread, but I'm never going to like 70% of it.

If you're actually town this game, I don't know how to tell you that telling me that you should be townread is never going to work with me.

And I'm trying to be reasonable about this.
It's not that you're scumreading me it's that you're not really putting any genuine effort into reading me and I think that's completely out of character for your town play so far, especially if I'm your top wolf.
It's only out of character for my higher wim moments. My emotive state is entire dependant on how work has gone and how recently I've played D&D or something else fun.

See early on in Basic Mafia where I had low WIM to actually case people.

Or early on in African Bird (Albeit that was 12/12 so different feel)

Not heavily casing people isn't really AI for me. (Self meta to ignore a scumread, that's scummy!)

I don't mean cases I mean stuff like you accusing me of being opportunistic without trying to understand my perspective at all.

Given that I've burnt you so often as both alignments I feel like you should be caring more.

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:05 am Wiml maybe my fos on you looked opportunistic but that's because I doubt my own reads a lot but I'm kind of done with that

i think you're a villager, if your response last night tells me anything it's that. Esooa's is wrongly tunneled and probably actively helping wolves/damaging thread health

Yeah I think you're town but you and illario both asked me to explain why I was originally worried about your progression and I said I'd do it once I came back to the thread.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:29 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:09 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:06 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:47 am Ender's reaction to the case on me is really bad.
Are you just going to call everything I do bad?

I honestly can't take your actions in good faith right now.
This is a bad reaction as well.
Yes. Because our interactions so far have been:
Me: "Wiml might be a wolf for vague reasons, don't push it."
You: "What are your reasons? I've been towny!"
Me: "You haven't done any towntells that I don't think you can fake as mafia."
You: "Towntell? I burnt your last towntell in Scythe."
Me: "I don't like that reaction. Eventually back off to put you closer to null as I scumread Mac and others more."

Esooa: "Here's a case on Wiml."
Me: "Hey that justifies my bad feel about his push back on me earlier also I kinda agree with it."
You: "That's a bad case and a bad reaction."

Almost half our interactions have been you reacting to me because I won't townread you.

I don't know whether that's a scum reaction or a town assuming you should be townread, but I'm never going to like 70% of it.

If you're actually town this game, I don't know how to tell you that telling me that you should be townread is never going to work with me.

And I'm trying to be reasonable about this.

It's not that you're scumreading me it's that you're not really putting any genuine effort into reading me and I think that's completely out of character for your town play so far, especially if I'm your top wolf.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:17 am wiml why do you think Mac is a wolf

Because he's pushing takes he obviously doesn't believe in (notably him being threadspewed town - from my experience pushing it myself in Scythe I just don't think anybody who pushes that take in a situation like this actually believes in it lol and him townlocking me for weird reasons as well). All of his substantial pushes up until the point where he was firmly a candidate for dying today have been on obvious or flipped towns.

He's also making posts that are clearly just for the sake of being townread by the people who don't know him well (particularly that stream of consciousness-esque wall that really has no purpose existing and I know Mac can easily replicate as a wolf because even I could so it literally has no reason to exist besides looking superficially towny to people who don't know him as well). I remember him doing stiff like this a lot D1 as well (and remember Alison correctly shutting down bad townreads on Mac for similar things throughout D1).

There's a reason illario/alexa aren't actively pushing for Mac any more and it's this. He's making posts that I honestly see no other purpose to besides this.

His whole "I need to flip today as town" thing at SoD2 is something I explained earlier but I also really struggle to see coming from him as town.

There are a couple of redeeming things (mostly because I think he had the chance to try to get me flipped at EoD and didn't capitalise it) but that's about it.

This is otoh mind.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:17 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:50 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:46 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:44 am I posted to early oops.

Just wanted to laugh at illario wolfread me for not writing enough walls this game. Don't tell him lol.
its not that, i just dont really see u solving any alignments

if ur town the best thing u can do here is to just ignore all the pressure and figure out who else is scum
You have correctly identified that I do zero solving while asleep.

If this is about me being in the thread yesterday, I already said I was not intending of playing the game until after I got up in the morning and only chimed because 1. Whatever Mac was doing was incredibly bad if town and I couldn't hold my tongue and 2. I stuck around purely for the sake of alexa and that's why I only responded to her questions.
Can you give me a current POE/Gamesolve? (Ignore if you already have, I'll see it on catchup)

I think you/Mac/Nanook/TSP probably wins us the game. If I'm misclearing somebody outside of that pool I'm 80% sure it's LC and he's the main person in my TRs that I want to look at again.

Ideally I want to narrow that down to just three names though.

As for the others, alexa I think is just hard town from stuff that happened last night that I'm not really going to get into tbh. illario I think is just completely out of his wolf range tbh. I'll look at him again at a later point in case he's revolutionised his wolf game but he's almost always just town. I think his EoD was towny as well. Esooa I was worried about misclearing too easily going into D2, especially with Alison flipping, but she's just been overwhelmingly towny today.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:44 am @Wiml

Regardless of your alignment, sorry for my lightly heated response.

Will wait for your responses.

I'm not in a position where I can respond to most of the posts in the thread right now but I just want to respond to this to say no worries at all.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:16 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:12 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:07 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:00 am Also kirsten dare me to make you townread me in just two bullet points?
you can try
- You know I have a personal wolf meta of actively attempting to pocket you as a wolf and that I'll lean into this very strongly in a game.

- You're scumreading me for not appeasing your meta read in the same way that I normally do and then going out of my way to say your meta townread is bad because my meta townread is better.

I don't know what that emoji means but I'll take it as a lock town read and be on my way.

You jumped straight to accusing me without trying to understand what I was saying lol.

Ender aren't you curious why I actually thought your reaction was bad?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:07 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:00 am Also kirsten dare me to make you townread me in just two bullet points?
you can try

- You know I have a personal wolf meta of actively attempting to pocket you as a wolf and that I'll lean into this very strongly in a game.

- You're scumreading me for not appeasing your meta read in the same way that I normally do and then going out of my way to say your meta townread is bad because my meta townread is better.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:06 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:47 am Ender's reaction to the case on me is really bad.
Are you just going to call everything I do bad?

I honestly can't take your actions in good faith right now.

This is a bad reaction as well.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:59 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:58 am Mac why are you townreading me now?
Because you are being treated with the same awful bullshit I am being treated with and I imagine that makes you probably town also. Its an awful read nobody should make but fmpov I feel like giving everyone the finger on my way out.

Lol.

Also kirsten dare me to make you townread me in just two bullet points?

Mac why are you townreading me now?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:53 am I'm gonna town lock wiml because it feels like that kinda game where I'm probably right.

Who is the mafia in town wiml land.

Well Ender is like outed. Esooa is clear via Ender reacting to her pushes like a stunned mullet.
for this to work you have to keep scumreading me wiml btw. so even if I manage to pocket you just pretend I haven't.

Ok wolf

Unironically though Mac's game this game has so many parallels to my game in Scythe that I'll feel super vindicated if he flips wolf.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:50 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:43 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:36 am Also who do you think is most likely a wolf right now Wiml?
Mac tbh.
But Wiml. We are teammates haven't you heard?

I have a meta of not bussing and now it's time for me to burn it while still outing myself.

Sorry Mac, better luck next time.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:46 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:44 am I posted to early oops.

Just wanted to laugh at illario wolfread me for not writing enough walls this game. Don't tell him lol.
its not that, i just dont really see u solving any alignments

if ur town the best thing u can do here is to just ignore all the pressure and figure out who else is scum

You have correctly identified that I do zero solving while asleep.

If this is about me being in the thread yesterday, I already said I was not intending of playing the game until after I got up in the morning and only chimed because 1. Whatever Mac was doing was incredibly bad if town and I couldn't hold my tongue and 2. I stuck around purely for the sake of alexa and that's why I only responded to her questions.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:45 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:42 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:34 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:08 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:02 pm I'm probably not budging on the transcend read tbh
I noticed what you said earlier and I think it's a pretty consistent trend throughout his posts.

My issue was that there was no cohesive progression. He was switching between saying that he thought LC was towntelling and then still tunneling him regardless? I really don't think the strength of the reads he expressed actually matched his actions at all and it reads to me more like poor handling of TMI that LC is town and feeling obliged to townread certain posts that LC made than genuine read progression.

I'm trusting your judgement for today though.
can u quote the thing from Transcend that made you think this
It wasn't one thing, he did it like 5 times.

It's hard to read long ISOs because of software issues on phone but it was like a trend of pushing LC -> oh wait he's towntelling -> back to pushing LC like the previous comment never happened and that happening numerous times.
Where was Transcend tunneling LC?

Towards the start of the game. I was referring to before he reevaluated.

I posted to early oops.

Just wanted to laugh at illario wolfread me for not writing enough walls this game. Don't tell him lol.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:40 am Honestly it just feels like it’s probably wiml/mac but I’ll keep an open mind about it Incase something changes

Search found 705 matches