The Syndicate

Ended up skimming Wilgy's Sesame Street wolf game between other stuff and I think he's probably just town here from it. Guy's obviously burnt out from his third wolf rand in the streak and is just lolcatting from SoD1 and not remotely projecting any enthusiasm. (https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtop...

I don't fucking want space I want to discuss the game with other people so we come to a proper analysis and consensus, not be around monologuing. I'm doing that where possible but I also have other things to do and gain very little from real time interactions. I suggest trying to interact with any ...

I certainly don't scumread people for townreading me lmao.

"Widely" suspected because my contributions are literally falling on deaf ears. Widely in huge quotes because literally only you keep insisting on pushing that I'm scummy on literally no grounds other than this insane PoE and paranoia. If you get me mislynched I'll be extremely pissed off...

Urghhhhh that messes stuff up.

Wait I was using a Wilgy town game for his wolf meta.

I'm fucked.

Speedy NKA: Falcon: Makes sense for Kate/Roxy/Michelle but difficult to justify for Wilgy. Wolf-Wilgy would need to kill Falcon uncharacteristically early while not killing either JJJ (who I believe caught him in Don't Starve Mafia) or me (who had a lengthy discussion about a Lime/Wilgy 2/2 earlier...

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:55 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:54 am Brad/Kate EoD1 (and Brad/Wilgy earlier into the day phase)
Tell me what's your take about Roxy.

I'm just reading her past wolf games again now to compare some behaviour, will get back to you once I've done so.

*undermining the PoE

I guess you could argue that this game makes more sense if Michelle is a wolf. But I think she's towny and I'm not really ready to consider that atm. Why am I towny? The tl;dr is: - Spewed town by Lime Coke ISO (he doesn't tend to be great at partner interactions). - SoD3 push on me comes from vill...

Brad/Kate EoD1 (and Brad/Wilgy earlier into the day phase)

If this is the second town game in a row where I had a 2/2 early and then kept letting myself get talked out of it I'll cry.

I need a long break but there's not the time for it lol.

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:24 am I struggle to see a reason why wolf-Ex kills Abigail if it's not because he thinks she'll scumread him.

Going to check what Abigail said about Ex quickly.

She said very little, just that they're close mafia friends and that she would veto an Ex vote for D3 due to the sub in.

Plus I think she probably just dies this night anyway if the game doesn't end.

If she's alive in the F3 for some reason then obviously be as diligent as you should be with anyone alive in that F3 etc etc.

I guess you could argue that this game makes more sense if Michelle is a wolf.

But I think she's towny and I'm not really ready to consider that atm.

I struggle to see a reason why wolf-Ex kills Abigail if it's not because he thinks she'll scumread him.

Going to check what Abigail said about Ex quickly.

@DrWilgy you seem to know more about Abi/Ex's relationship than me. Would wolf-Ex be concerned about the potential for Abigail to confidently find him as a wolf and bury him? Answer is no. I trust my wolf game enough to not be afraid of being read. You played with me before, smh. Wilgy literally pl...

I think Roxy not attempting to make any counterpush to Lime Coke at all seems uncharacteristic for wolf-Roxy.

But @Roxy, could I ask if there's a particular reason why you haven't really made any strong pushes on anyone this game?

@DrWilgy you seem to know more about Abi/Ex's relationship than me.

Would wolf-Ex be concerned about the potential for Abigail to confidently find him as a wolf and bury him?

_ExLight wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:00 am morning
did not sleep well

Morning!
Can relate.

It's a rough situation to try to solve. Ex/Wilgy/Roxy all have stuff in their favour but I don't see enough to confidently call any of them town at this point in the game. Ex has by far the least in his favour but that seems largely because we only really have content from his slot from 2/4 day cycl...

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:25 pm Wow. Weird nk is weird.

I cannot read Quin so i will iso tonight along with a couple of others I had in mind.

I have Ariya so just a pop in.

Also thanks for the d 1 elim wiml. <3

You said here that you thought the NK was weird, who would you have chosen to kill? Me?

Speedy NKA: Falcon: Makes sense for Kate/Roxy/Michelle but difficult to justify for Wilgy. Wolf-Wilgy would need to kill Falcon uncharacteristically early while not killing either JJJ (who I believe caught him in Don't Starve Mafia) or me (who had a lengthy discussion about a Lime/Wilgy 2/2 earlier ...

Wigly is giving me the strange vibes but not bc he is sick but bc he is posting and acting all solvy like he did in a recent game and wolfed the f out of that game to *almost* bring the win home for them. I was absolutely gobsmacked when he was shown to be a baddie. And still am bowing to Daisy for...

Does wolf-Wilgy corner himself through insisting that Roxy is town when Roxy is by far the easiest villager to misvote after Ex in a wolf-Wilgy world?

I'm uncertain but wanted to bring it up since it feels like Wilgy, if a wolf, has kind of shot himself in the foot with that approach.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:03 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:52 am also I miss splints this game and also SVS.

I've got reasons to TR a few players, and as of now I'm looking at Epi, Lime & Kate.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:09 am Lime Coke...he knows me well enough to know that everything I've done is well within my town range.

I don't believe he believes his read.

Nvm, I can understand sheeping this over the unexplained Epi vote.

@DrWilgy I know it sucks playing while ill, prioritise taking care of yourself first!!! I'm happy just assuming you're a villager and giving you space for now tbh. Aye, I'd just assume I'm an unknown though because I am. I skimmed Falc and I agree this is T Falcon quite confidently. While I haven't...

I'll go do Wilgy's ISO now since I keep procrastinating on that.

@Roxy, why did you think that your D1 vote on Lime Coke was a hammer?

But yeah, haven't had the best of time in champs to say the least.

It was an absolutely soul crushing experience and almost drove me back to retirement.

Thanks DrW! Ex, did you link me the games I asked for? Sorry if you did and I didn't notice. I would like to check something in the morning. @Wiml please link me please your last 3 scum games and town games I've been retired for 2 years and this is my 3rd/4th game back from retirement depending on ...

Game on an anon alt (Vittae) as a villager: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/50820-S-FM-348-Standoff S10 Champs Qual as a wolf: (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/40191) This game was reranded after D1 due to a bot screw-up. Champs Qual rerand as a wolf: (https://www.mafiauni...

Thanks DrW! Ex, did you link me the games I asked for? Sorry if you did and I didn't notice. I would like to check something in the morning. @Wiml please link me please your last 3 scum games and town games I've been retired for 2 years and this is my 3rd/4th game back from retirement depending on ...

I'll say it again, but as scum I almost never shoot Abgail here. I'd be shooting Wiml or Michelle here. Abgail simply does not push for my lynch in any scenario on D4 or D5, it would be stupid to shoot her if I were playing for a win. Phuck it. I believe you. However you are wrong on both your read...

Also I'd like to point out that sticking out to the absurd Quin/Epi/Kate PoE is a more complex case of the Monty Hall problem even from just a statistical point of view. One of the worst plays that can be done here is insisting on my slot. If we factor in other elements beyond just statistical reas...

I'll say it again, but as scum I almost never shoot Abgail here. I'd be shooting Wiml or Michelle here. Abgail simply does not push for my lynch in any scenario on D4 or D5, it would be stupid to shoot her if I were playing for a win. Phuck it. I believe you. However you are wrong on both your read...

But at the same time I've seen so many ridiculous severely line crossing instances of AtE from wolves that I try to ignore it on policy.

And this isn't AtE at anywhere ecen remotely near that level.

If there's two posts where I'm like, 'this is w kate' it's these two. Let me guess, without reading, princess Abigail has used ATE to get yall to move off her? So it must be Quin, diet Pepsi and poor poor Dr wolfy. *solved* But Kate's last two posts really get me. The post above the first one, aski...

Rainbows are somewhat moot. PoE is between Wiml and Ex. This makes sense as game winning. Wiml was one of the main people pushing for an early Lime lynch, which they kept up throughout the day while trying to make pairings as to potential scumbud teams. I'm aware that my previous slot doesn't look ...

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:07 pm Rainbows are somewhat moot.

PoE is between Wiml and Ex.

This makes sense as game winning.

Who's your third between the other two?

Wilgy, why isn't voting Ex today and then then having Roxy vote me tomorrow a viable theoretical gameplan for you as a wolf fypov? (Or voting me today and having Roxy vote Ex). Because Roxy doesn't trust me. It's very much a meta thing. Roxy is VERY hesitant to trust me, especially after Cyberpunk ...

Wilgy, why isn't voting Ex today and then then having Roxy vote me tomorrow a viable theoretical gameplan for you as a wolf fypov? (Or voting me today and having Roxy vote Ex). Because Roxy doesn't trust me. It's very much a meta thing. Roxy is VERY hesitant to trust me, especially after Cyberpunk ...

Pretty sure I 100% NK Ex or Roxy. My preferred f3 would always be Abigail/Me/Michelle, Abigail/Me/Roxy, Abigail/Me/You in that order of preference I think. @Wiml this was where I'd put myself in W Wilgy's shoes. I get that but why those F3s and not Wilgy/Roxy/Wiml, Wilgy/Roxy/Ex or something along ...

Wilgy, why isn't voting Ex today and then then having Roxy vote me tomorrow a viable theoretical gameplan for you as a wolf fypov? (Or voting me today and having Roxy vote Ex).

The kill was mildly a good look for Wilgy and nothing more. I very rarely clear based on NKA. I can say that somebody is spewed town by something without having them as a clear. With additional context, I no longer believe that Wilgy doesn't make that kill anyway. Ok, I was really curious about you...

If Ex is town and miselimned today then I think I always die in the Wilgy/Roxy/me F3 situation since those two were calling each other town cleared. So the stakes are really high with this. You literally die in any final three because all the remaining players threw shade at you at some point and w...

If Ex is town and miselimned today then I think I always die in the Wilgy/Roxy/me F3 situation since those two were calling each other town cleared.

So the stakes are really high with this.

I know that Felt Mafia isn't a great example of Kate's wolf range but if Kate/Ex is wolfing in this game then I think there's a fairly noticeable jump in the quality of Kate's wolf game. That + the two final posts in Kate's ISO make it pretty hard for me to just shrug and say "oh it's just Ex&...

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