The Syndicate

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:17 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:02 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:07 am Meh I don't think Dizzy as a wolf decides to make bussing both their partners their day 1 agenda when at least Porscha was in a decent spot at the time

Man, almost like I have said this already.

You think Vulg is it or where does the snark come from?

Snark comes from me saying things repeatedly and then Vul coming in like it's new info.

But I guess unwarranted given Vul is literally a sub in and maybe I should curb my snark.

[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

I need to reread the game at some point but I've felt shit today.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:58 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:53 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:47 am Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

I think Lucy was the one who was tinfoiling that.

Also, there are town PRs in any of the setups, so the only PR that can't cc a doc is a vig, so it would be a huge gamble for scum!Rondo to claim doc as that would only work with probability 25% (assuming that there are 3 mafia goons, otherwise it works with 0%)

But what if Lucy is right?

They lose Tommy day 1. Rondo is ... in light terms ... an unusual specimen. What if rather than just coasting to a stomping he tried a gambit as the roleblocker and roleblocked Porscha carrying in order to be able to claim doc? Played the game with the mindset of doc until there were other doc claims. Expected to have to cc battle but has simply walked into the luckiest scenario?

Would it not explain why Sabi died? Because Rondo actually thought she really was the doctor? Who else would have thought that after she retracted?

If there is a role blocker you would have at least 2 town roles claimed or flipped at some point. Good thinking though

Could have just 1 watcher

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:27 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:42 am I've read 30 pages of the game and somehow Ender is still null for me after that even though he posted day 1 and early d2 which is enough of a reason for me to have him in bottom PoE and not oppose the wagon on him

If it's the main/alt of Arctic I played with on MU he's probs town. There are some similarities.

The only account of mine on MU is bladescape (other than hydras)

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:07 am Meh I don't think Dizzy as a wolf decides to make bussing both their partners their day 1 agenda when at least Porscha was in a decent spot at the time

Man, almost like I have said this already.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:15 am Why is everyone not paranoid over me not being town

You are cute and fluffy.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:12 am No one has provided tinfoil on me. We have tinfoil on everyone else
:/

Can I offer you some tinfoil in these trying times?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:07 am It never makes sense to chop Wilgy tbh. Nanook is either town with a godread or mafia with TMI. Wilgy is an objectively bad chop through Nanook.

Can Nanook be wrong? Yes 1 in 6 times.

It's bad probability play. Either Nanook is a wolf with TMI or his read should be acknowledged. Anyone suspicious of Wilgy and not Nanook would need to have a seriously strong argument for why Nanook is wrong.

I feel it in my jellicles.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:55 am Imagine being able to pocket a single person, even as town.
Couldn't be me apparently.

Pocketing people as town is the best tbh.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:48 am My whole life is about pocketing Ender tbh. But I don’t think I’m alone there

Apparently I'm a foot person now so there's probably a bunch of people who exist to pocket me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:46 am Wolf range schmolf range. Sometimes you just have to look at what makes sense or not

I mean it's a bit out of character for the wolf I've seen you play but if I squinted I could see the logic behind your play if you were wolf. =P

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:28 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:28 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:25 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:22 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:19 am Dizzy fooled a lot people when I played with her when she was a wolfu. That's why I can't trust her. She knows how to pocket

Paranoia is only good in moderate doses. Don't overdose.

She's not out of her wolf range hence why I don't get why you are hard shielding her

Both ender and dizzy can't be wolf and it's totally possible both are town

I'm not saying he is wolfu protecting her. I'm saying she pocketed ender

I have so far been pretty damn accurate on Dizzy in the last 7 games. I did wolfread them incorrectly last game we played, but so far I've been right whenever I've called them town.

There's multiple things which don't make sense for wolf Dizzy, especially as they do not tend to be a massive busser.

Not that bussing it out of their wolfrange, but they tend to play bussing as more of a "Necessity" thing, in my experience with them.

This makes their whole Porscha/Tommy sus thing on D1 very unlikely to come from Wolfu Dizzy.

I will admit there's the possibility that they saw the writing on the wall before anyone else, and played around that specifically with the whole "Townread Porscha progression to argue on to Tommy to protect + get towncred"

But then they didn't do a whole lot with it yesterday and effectively let Porscha go over for nothing much.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:25 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:22 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:19 am Dizzy fooled a lot people when I played with her when she was a wolfu. That's why I can't trust her. She knows how to pocket

Paranoia is only good in moderate doses. Don't overdose.

She's not out of her wolf range hence why I don't get why you are hard shielding her

Dizzy is so close to being out of their wolf range that they may as well be out of their wolf range.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:19 am Dizzy fooled a lot people when I played with her when she was a wolfu. That's why I can't trust her. She knows how to pocket

Paranoia is only good in moderate doses. Don't overdose.

Rebellion Against Nanook Reads.

RANR.

But also I just don't think Dizzy wolf makes the hellbus routine play before anyone but Tommy had received fire.

Or hell just convince everyone else to wagon me.

But yeah I'm still shielding Dizzy.

If they're wolf here then a bunch of their play has legit just been to pocket me and they've accepted the heat they'll take from others for it. Which just feels kinda meh when they could just N1 me or something.

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:10 am I just don't understand how you can be town, do that and still talk of yourself as bad. You have such a bad perception of yourself during your entrance into this game but just casually throw two darts and hammer two mafia. No reason to downplay yourself there.

Dizzy is a good townplayer, who overthinks and talks themselves out of correct reads =P

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:54 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:50 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:00 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:26 am Reading Mac's self eval was interesting. I have noticed that he's extremely fast at times, but maybe it's familiarity with the players.

I think that strategy wise on D1 town profits from TvT clinches and scummy looking townies in general. It's up to wolves if they make anything out of it, but usually they do try to stay out of it in my experience. Thread noise and those blending into it I guess.

Sometimes there's also moments where someone pops in and starts posting and you glimpse something of their alignment without realizing why. Strange phenomenons and all. Or perceive a mood remotely just cause you're looking at the same thing as other ones. Maybe I'm imagining it, but it's a nice thought to have.

You’re adorable tbh

Thanks!

I find you really hard to read from tone on reread. Kinda aloof in the first pages.
You voted both red flips right off the bat, how did you pull that off?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:18 am Actually I probably shouldn't vote someone I haven't played with rn

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Because lack of impression or something

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:15 am [VOTE: Tommy] aubergine

Thread flow or he's frozen or whatever

@EnderWiggin are you still hard shielding?

Tell me why you think Dizzy goes through the whole "Talking myself out of one Mafia partner" only to turn that into a push on the other partner.

Then I'll think about it.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:46 am Ender can you say "I'm Human"?

I'm xeno scum.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:15 am I had a thought this morning. What are people’s non-Tommy related thoughts on Rondo? What is to say that Tommy just didn’t know or remembered Rondo’s name even if they were teammates. He was completely new to the site and barely posting

I remember Rondo being weird about voting Porscha on D1. Will check that later after work unless someone else feels compelled

I think Rondo is probably town.

And including Achro because I feel us both sitting in dead chat having found then lost each other is funnier.

Myself > Achro for meme potential > Wilgy because they're wolf > Lucy if wilgy isn't wolf > Vulgard for running out of options

There's your winning POE including my blood.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:17 am [VOTE: Ender Wiggin ] aubergine

Sigh.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:41 pm I did not think ender/blade would be outted as a foot guy

IT was quite a feat.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:17 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:03 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:48 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:38 pm

You ignore the fact that results indicate I can read you. I scumread you by default as part of the process but generally if I'm still scumreading you at this stage of the game I'm right about it. Context matters.

Lmao.

Why is that funny?

Because I disagree that it indicates you can read me. You are someone I worry about as wolf because I near guarantee you'll find a way to sus me. Not because you catch me, but because "Mac susses Ender" is a fact of life if you and I are alive past D1. And sometimes even on D1.

I factor this in every time I'm town with you too.

I can't guarantee I'm 100% correct because this is memory and memory is subjective and I'd have to trawl through multiple games to see if you do actually wean yourself off it when we're both town but memory says you rarely end up townreading me no matter what my alignment is.

You have this impression because I'm often dead before I have a chance to reeval. But how many times have you been town in a game where I was town and I caused your mischop?

I can remember your sus of me causing my death after you died already, but honestly I don't remember particular times you've mischopped me.

*Cough, Cough* >_> | <_< | >_>

Is this you saying you remember a time I was flipped incorrectly when Mac was alive?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:19 pm If I die, look into dizzy. Stop ignoring her. Don't let her big toe pocket you

Counterpoint: Trust the big toe.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:03 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:48 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:38 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

Is this where you admit I can read you and have caught you loads of times and you use this argument every time you're mafia?

Are you really going to force me to find all the times I use it as town to just shut this point up?

You also see me use it as mafia Because I use it as town nearly every game.

You ignore the fact that results indicate I can read you. I scumread you by default as part of the process but generally if I'm still scumreading you at this stage of the game I'm right about it. Context matters.

Lmao.

Why is that funny?

Because I disagree that it indicates you can read me. You are someone I worry about as wolf because I near guarantee you'll find a way to sus me. Not because you catch me, but because "Mac susses Ender" is a fact of life if you and I are alive past D1. And sometimes even on D1.

I factor this in every time I'm town with you too.

I can't guarantee I'm 100% correct because this is memory and memory is subjective and I'd have to trawl through multiple games to see if you do actually wean yourself off it when we're both town but memory says you rarely end up townreading me no matter what my alignment is.

You have this impression because I'm often dead before I have a chance to reeval. But how many times have you been town in a game where I was town and I caused your mischop?

I can remember your sus of me causing my death after you died already, but honestly I don't remember particular times you've mischopped me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:48 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:38 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:26 pm

Same but he is a blind spot for me so having Mac evaluate him I am just going to trust

I hate to use it but I'll point out Mac's self-admitted case of constantly wolf-reading me even when I'm town.

Is this where you admit I can read you and have caught you loads of times and you use this argument every time you're mafia?

Are you really going to force me to find all the times I use it as town to just shut this point up?

You also see me use it as mafia Because I use it as town nearly every game.

You ignore the fact that results indicate I can read you. I scumread you by default as part of the process but generally if I'm still scumreading you at this stage of the game I'm right about it. Context matters.

Lmao.

Why is that funny?

Because I disagree that it indicates you can read me. You are someone I worry about as wolf because I near guarantee you'll find a way to sus me. Not because you catch me, but because "Mac susses Ender" is a fact of life if you and I are alive past D1. And sometimes even on D1.

I factor this in every time I'm town with you too.

I can't guarantee I'm 100% correct because this is memory and memory is subjective and I'd have to trawl through multiple games to see if you do actually wean yourself off it when we're both town but memory says you rarely end up townreading me no matter what my alignment is.

I probably should get better at being pushed now I'm looking at myself.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:41 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:39 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:38 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:35 pm Look, honestly I don't care, I feel like I should actually be clearable today based on how I treated both partners and EOD2 but if Mac can't keep it in his pants just literally follow up by voting out Wilgy and I'm good.

See I hated your day 1 but I know that you could just have been [REDACTED]

Your day 2 was stronger but you had to selfpres Porcha

If you really did suspect me of being doc its a clear but there is no way to verify that information

I didn't think you were doc, I thought it was Sabi.

That's obvious if you read my D2 and I mystery clear Sabi for ? reasons and put down "Reasons.tm"

So you've never just townread someone for mystery reasons you couldn't be bothered explaining?

... I have.

But these mystery reasons were because I docread her I swear

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:38 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:24 pm I'm not confident it's ender

Same but he is a blind spot for me so having Mac evaluate him I am just going to trust

I hate to use it but I'll point out Mac's self-admitted case of constantly wolf-reading me even when I'm town.

Is this where you admit I can read you and have caught you loads of times and you use this argument every time you're mafia?

Are you really going to force me to find all the times I use it as town to just shut this point up?

You also see me use it as mafia Because I use it as town nearly every game.

You ignore the fact that results indicate I can read you. I scumread you by default as part of the process but generally if I'm still scumreading you at this stage of the game I'm right about it. Context matters.

Lmao.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:37 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:35 pm Look, honestly I don't care, I feel like I should actually be clearable today based on how I treated both partners and EOD2 but if Mac can't keep it in his pants just literally follow up by voting out Wilgy and I'm good.

I don't like how these moments always end up with players pressuring me to be right and being mad at me. Isn't this a team game? It's stressful being spoken to this way.

Eh, it's a long running thing between us because you keep sussing me as town confidently.

That being said I guess I'm guilty of that sometimes with other people so I probably shouldn't talk.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:38 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:35 pm Look, honestly I don't care, I feel like I should actually be clearable today based on how I treated both partners and EOD2 but if Mac can't keep it in his pants just literally follow up by voting out Wilgy and I'm good.

See I hated your day 1 but I know that you could just have been [REDACTED]

Your day 2 was stronger but you had to selfpres Porcha

If you really did suspect me of being doc its a clear but there is no way to verify that information

I didn't think you were doc, I thought it was Sabi.

That's obvious if you read my D2 and I mystery clear Sabi for ? reasons and put down "Reasons.tm"

Uncharitable take? Sure.

I'm like that.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:34 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:24 pm I'm not confident it's ender

Same but he is a blind spot for me so having Mac evaluate him I am just going to trust

I hate to use it but I'll point out Mac's self-admitted case of constantly wolf-reading me even when I'm town.

Is this where you admit I can read you and have caught you loads of times and you use this argument every time you're mafia?

Are you really going to force me to find all the times I use it as town to just shut this point up?

You also see me use it as mafia Because I use it as town nearly every game.

Iwoulddothisastown.jpg

Achro can be slotted after Wilgy if that doesn't end because he doesn't know how to not respond to everything someone he susses says with reasons why that makes them mafia.

Look, honestly I don't care, I feel like I should actually be clearable today based on how I treated both partners and EOD2 but if Mac can't keep it in his pants just literally follow up by voting out Wilgy and I'm good.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:32 pm Me: I should spend time with my parents that I haven't seen in months

Also me: getting bullied by Mac

Go spend time with your parents.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:24 pm I'm not confident it's ender

Same but he is a blind spot for me so having Mac evaluate him I am just going to trust

I hate to use it but I'll point out Mac's self-admitted case of constantly wolf-reading me even when I'm town.

Is this where you admit I can read you and have caught you loads of times and you use this argument every time you're mafia?

Are you really going to force me to find all the times I use it as town to just shut this point up?

You also see me use it as mafia Because I use it as town nearly every game.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:24 pm I'm not confident it's ender

Same but he is a blind spot for me so having Mac evaluate him I am just going to trust

I hate to use it but I'll point out Mac's self-admitted case of constantly wolf-reading me even when I'm town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:11 pm I wanna point out that Rondo being doc means one of Ender or Nanook is outed mafia.

Ah yes, because I don't kill my doc read and instead kill Axe.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:58 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:57 pm I'm not getting involved in the world's biggest game of Chicken between two town.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

Don't hate me for being smart.

I'm not getting involved in the world's biggest game of Chicken between two town.

Anyway I'm off to sleep.

Don't hammer while I'm in bed.

Wink wink, nudge nudge

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:59 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:58 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:52 am Lol that's funny.

Anyway sad that ender unfound me. I was happy.

Oh no, I know you're town.

But I must sacrifice your blood at the altar of Nanook so that he may consider Wilgy.

We could just all kill wilgy without his permission and then if it isn't the easy solve then just try again you know x(

But this way I can pretend I'm a cultist.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:57 am Really what gave me away @EnderWiggin ?

Your ridiculous treatment of Mac.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:52 am Lol that's funny.

Anyway sad that ender unfound me. I was happy.

Oh no, I know you're town.

But I must sacrifice your blood at the altar of Nanook so that he may consider Wilgy.

Annnnnd pivot.

[VOTE: Achromatic] aubergine