The Syndicate

apologize

I apologise for my game throwing reads on Anne and Esooa, I will accept criticism on the issue.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:00 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:59 am VOTE OUT MAC WHAT THE FUCK

WE DID LIME COKE

It's a tie

CFD ANNE

Anne over mac

Amazing

Everyone wants to flip Mac, everyone seems to expect Mac and Falcon will flip T/T

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:47 am

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:46 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:46 am

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:45 am [VOTE: IAAFR] aubergine

why do you go from saying you wanna vote Mac but not cause of Anne then now you vote iaafr

i don't want falcon to die

if mac is a wolf then falcon needs to die in this game anyway, so i dont think this is a good reason to not vote mac

I don't think Mac is wolf, but it's probably my weakest read town read. He could be 6th PoE.

Can we get all of the town onto Esooa/Sloonei PLEASE

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:45 am Oh fuck, Esooa is self-voting, yeah there's no way I'm putting up with that

They are just showboating now, and all of town their open wolf game.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:42 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:41 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:40 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:39 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:35 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:35 am @Esooa You're just open wolf, so this probably is a pointless endeavour, but you love spew... Which part of my spew reads are accurate, and which parts are bad?

Your judging my play by one game if you're town

I don't care

"One Game"

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:21 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:20 am u couldn't find the wolves off of my spew in mountainous though

I've been tryharding for months so I'm a fair bit better now lol

In that game you were talking about another game where you used spew to find 2 wolves. So are you simply not taking this game seriously, and if so... How do you have conviction in your reads? I mean, I'm not twisting your words, it's just what you've said in the past.

that post is 4 months old brother

Right, so I'm guessing you're going to say that you've completely overhauled your tryhard playstyle because everything you've worked on over the "months of tryharding" has lead to an obvious negative result that you had to trash?

peepeepoopoo

I'm not sure why no one is voting this.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:40 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:39 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:35 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:35 am @Esooa You're just open wolf, so this probably is a pointless endeavour, but you love spew... Which part of my spew reads are accurate, and which parts are bad?

Your judging my play by one game if you're town

I don't care

"One Game"

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:21 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:20 am u couldn't find the wolves off of my spew in mountainous though

I've been tryharding for months so I'm a fair bit better now lol

In that game you were talking about another game where you used spew to find 2 wolves. So are you simply not taking this game seriously, and if so... How do you have conviction in your reads? I mean, I'm not twisting your words, it's just what you've said in the past.

that post is 4 months old brother

Right, so I'm guessing you're going to say that you've completely overhauled your tryhard playstyle because everything you've worked on over the "months of tryharding" has lead to an obvious negative result that you had to trash?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:35 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:35 am @Esooa You're just open wolf, so this probably is a pointless endeavour, but you love spew... Which part of my spew reads are accurate, and which parts are bad?

Your judging my play by one game if you're town

I don't care

"One Game"

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:21 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:20 am u couldn't find the wolves off of my spew in mountainous though

I've been tryharding for months so I'm a fair bit better now lol

In that game you were talking about another game where you used spew to find 2 wolves. So are you simply not taking this game seriously, and if so... How do you have conviction in your reads? I mean, I'm not twisting your words, it's just what you've said in the past.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:34 am My marmot tinfoil is all gone btw, I meant to say this 12 hours ago but post cap is a thing

Same

@Esooa You're just open wolf, so this probably is a pointless endeavour, but you love spew... Which part of my spew reads are accurate, and which parts are bad?

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:32 am I thought I saw iaafr post

They did

WHy is sloonei still in the poll over Esooa.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:30 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:30 am I think Esooa is an underrated option for today.

I think you're a wolf

Nah you don't.

I think Esooa is an underrated option for today.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:28 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:26 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:21 am Ok I think nutella's town, but I still don't think iaafr is a woof

I think your read accuracy here is exactly 50%.

I'll take those odds

Accuracy =/= odds. If you are accurate on one of 2 players, both reads being town reads, you lose the game 100% of the time.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:26 am Also, if Jay lists 6 townreads and 1 of them is actually a wolf, that means there are probably 2 other players among the other 9 in the game who are also wolf.

I like my odds picking 2 from the other 9, especially given that Jay's TRs were overall agreeable enough with the gamestate totday

Unless you can narrow down the 6 through other means, but not the 9.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:21 am Ok I think nutella's town, but I still don't think iaafr is a woof

I think your read accuracy here is exactly 50%.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:22 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:21 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:20 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:18 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:17 am lmao axe, I'm not reading that right now, but I will tomorrow

I put the important parts in bold green, conclusion at the bottom, evidence in spoilers... WHAT MORE CAN I DO TO GET YOUR ATTENTION?

I appreciate it, I just worry I'll miss all the other things that are being said.

I'll try

tl;dr

PoE

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

Can you order your PoE by level of suspicion?

Tier 1:

iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

Tier 2:
Anne

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:20 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:18 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:17 am lmao axe, I'm not reading that right now, but I will tomorrow

I put the important parts in bold green, conclusion at the bottom, evidence in spoilers... WHAT MORE CAN I DO TO GET YOUR ATTENTION?

I appreciate it, I just worry I'll miss all the other things that are being said.

I'll try

tl;dr

PoE

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:17 am lmao axe, I'm not reading that right now, but I will tomorrow

I put the important parts in bold green, conclusion at the bottom, evidence in spoilers... WHAT MORE CAN I DO TO GET YOUR ATTENTION?

Ok, I finalised the JJJ simulator guys, 17 minutes late... Sorry.

I'm not entirely sure how to best format this post, so I'm going to to my best...

I've started coding a new bot that simulates AI, it's called the JJJ simulator. I'm trying to compile the dos and don'ts, so please tell me where you all agree and disagree with the logic that I am hard coding into my bot.


1) If JJJ politely lectured you about how to play the game or how he sees the game, you're town.

Marmot Cassandra Ilario Leetic SPF
2) Every group read where JJJ defines the group contains AT LEAST 1 Mafia

Group A
leetic/ilario
cassandralexa
nutella
iaafr
Lime Coke
staypositivefriend

Group B
Anne, MR, Sloonei, Wilgy

3) If JJJ wrote anything about your thought process or how to handle you without talking about the game at all, you are town.

Leetic Lime Coke Nanook NAA DrWilgy Marmot
4) If JJJ made an associative read, someone within the read is mafia

Nutella
iaafr Nutella
iaafr
Sloonei
5) If JJJ disagrees with your playstyle, and throws a fit over it, you are town.

MacDougall
The simulation indicates that JJJ is mafia with 3 of these 5 people:

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

That is the PoE that the JJJ simulator has spit out.

IM NOT READY

Post Cap

But I'm going to

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:13 pm if I don't go over today, who would you want to kill next?

I would answer your question

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:13 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:10 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:07 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:05 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:03 pm I usually agree that stretching out a day for as long as possible is beneficial, but this is a case where the game being dragged out is just causing unnecessary stress and overthinking. the atmosphere of this game kind of sucks and i think we need to collectively get it together and unite behind a couple of names, especially since I think the POE is mostly correct

There are no hammers, the game duration is the game duration, it's not going to change regardless of what anyone does. People raging because they're being misread is just fake nonsense that you should ignore.

Also, this doesn't make me town read you.

I'm not suggesting an early hammer, but i am saying that us NOT having an early hammer is probably impacting the game negatively overall

and i don't really care if it makes you townread me, it seems obvious that you haven't genuinely tried to communicate with me regardless of your alignment

I don't read people based on my own communications... I read people based on their own performance, or rather my interpretation of their performance. Me not interacting with you in the general sense is more a result of my scum read. My read on a player could change without me ever having to interact with said player. My read on you hasn't changed. I don't interact with my scum reads, it's just how I play. I let them figure it out, or not.

it's hard for me to wrap my head around the concept of not communicating with your scumreads in a game that is explicitly about communication - that seems like a surefire way to confirmation bias yourself into the wrong pushes, but you do you I guess

if I don't go over today, who would you want to kill next?

I mean, the tactic which you use to meet an end doesn't define whether or not you start developing a bias.

Also, wtf SPF voting me without knowing how to read me or interacting with me directly (outside of this interaction which I initiated), and complaining about being scum read by someone who "doesn't know how to read her, and who isn't interacting with her directly". This is a comedy skit.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:07 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:05 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:03 pm I usually agree that stretching out a day for as long as possible is beneficial, but this is a case where the game being dragged out is just causing unnecessary stress and overthinking. the atmosphere of this game kind of sucks and i think we need to collectively get it together and unite behind a couple of names, especially since I think the POE is mostly correct

There are no hammers, the game duration is the game duration, it's not going to change regardless of what anyone does. People raging because they're being misread is just fake nonsense that you should ignore.

Also, this doesn't make me town read you.

I'm not suggesting an early hammer, but i am saying that us NOT having an early hammer is probably impacting the game negatively overall

and i don't really care if it makes you townread me, it seems obvious that you haven't genuinely tried to communicate with me regardless of your alignment

I don't read people based on my own communications... I read people based on their own performance, or rather my interpretation of their performance. Me not interacting with you in the general sense is more a result of my scum read. My read on a player could change without me ever having to interact with said player. My read on you hasn't changed. I don't interact with my scum reads, it's just how I play. I let them figure it out, or not.

Also, "we should kill from the D1 PoE, anyone from that pool is fine as long as we stop playing mafia"

[...]

"Except this player (Dizzy), I veto this player from the D1 PoE"

Is a pretty scummy take from SPF.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:03 pm I usually agree that stretching out a day for as long as possible is beneficial, but this is a case where the game being dragged out is just causing unnecessary stress and overthinking. the atmosphere of this game kind of sucks and i think we need to collectively get it together and unite behind a couple of names, especially since I think the POE is mostly correct

There are no hammers, the game duration is the game duration, it's not going to change regardless of what anyone does. People raging because they're being misread is just fake nonsense that you should ignore.

Also, this doesn't make me town read you.

Does anyone else get the vibe that SPF and Mac could be partners?

Also, mafia probably gets the equivalent of 2KP (via modkill) tonight due to iaafr purposefully violating his post count

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:50 pm Don't do it on purpose

Whatever you have to say after your post count is up isn't worth the modkill.

I rather flip SPF

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:08 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:42 am I do feel a bit stifled by the atmosphere of this game in that I don't feel I can be lighter in tone

Honestly this comes through and I was thinking it's scummy

Towny mindmeld?

idk, the only thing that could sway me back onto Marmot is if he keeps this awful read on me, because that would be lazy and Marmot is really "trying hard" this game. So yeah, it's hard to see that read sticking if he's town.

Reasons why it's a lazy read and it should never stick:

1) If I were mafia, I just switch back onto Anne in the dying seconds of the day which I was present for... 6-6 tie. The following day, I embrace the stupid game throwing persona that Lime Coke likes to blame his failures on

Anne simply isn't mafia because of when and how JJJ voted her, so you can't even make the argument "well, Anne could be mafia".

Like yeah, just that. It's like, at a base level of analysis the vote is 7-5, everyone already thinks NAA is a loose cannon, if I'm mafia, just be a loose cannon. Like it's such a straightforward play I wouldn't think twice about it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:42 am I do feel a bit stifled by the atmosphere of this game in that I don't feel I can be lighter in tone

Honestly this comes through and I was thinking it's scummy

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:30 pm My hope today was that we could move forward as a team after chopping a wolf Day 1, but we're faltering hardcore. Any semblance of a towncore is slowly fading and our wagons are a mess. Am I saying this because I'm suddenly a leading wagon? Partially. But I also feel this game getting messy. I don't think there's a single unanimous townread in the game right now, despite how Day 1 went down. Many of the general consensus townreads are still being pressured in some capacity.

Also, we still have like 27 hours in the day, and looking at people's postcounts. Many players are 20-30 from cap already (and iaafr is already capped out).

This is just my thoughts on the day at this moment. Maybe other people feel differently, I'm open to input on this.


I'm also frustrated because I'm pouring an effort and a half into this game, and am currently being run up for kinda shoddy reasons and meta-comparisons.

Semi-convincing, but you need to get rid of your read on me if you don't want the town circle to crumble. It's clear to me that 1-2 wolves exist in the town circle that was drawn up, so I don't know how much I want it either way.

I'm going to sum up Marmot's town game in a sentence, and yall can judge if this game is in line with that:

"I'll be back tonight, don't burn the house down till I get back"

Naturally, I grab the matches as soon as I hear that, but this Marmot is completely different and seems to feel the need to demonstrate their investment in the game at every turn, not only that, but their cases have been far more extensive than I've ever seen from town!marmot in terms of regular elaboration.

cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:33 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:46 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:43 pm they also share a chat and are confirmed town to each other
they're basically weakened masons
i know roles aren't AI, i just think that'd be a weird scum role. because if one dies and flips scum, it'd confirm the other as scum, and idk i just don't think wolf!illario plays it like that right off the bat. i also townread his posting outside of the claim

Uh, how are they confirmed town to each other? Aren't they just confirmed the same alignment to each other?

Is this TMI?

[VOTE: cassandra] aubergine

We must not forget that Marmot went from hard town reading Calexa to an absurd accusation about TMI. The accusation is weak in the first place, and I don't believe that Marmot had this much of a problem with Calexa's wordage of "confirmed town to each other" that he literally just forgot what he had just said:

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:08 pmcassandra - This feels like an easy read. I've played with alexa once (though I don't remember much about her there), but I'm seeing a lot of extended back-and-forths here, and a number of reads that are being adjusted as the game progresses in a believable way. Feels town.

Also, all of Marmot's posts are scummy. Including, but not limited to dogging me and Sloonei when we weren't even playing.

eh yeah as i said before this was weird AF. at the time it struck me as possibly TWTBAW because like why the fuck are you jumping on your top townread (who has no votes) over that, but maybe not?

Marmot doesn't do TWTBW as town.

Dizzy easy read, they never roll mafia.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:20 pm based on vibes dizzy is town

which I'm 3 for 3 on so far (2 town 1 wolf)

This actually strengthens my conviction on Marmot

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:09 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:08 pmIf you were more towny, I would be 100% behind it.

Sorry. I should play to my mafia meta more so people can listen to me.

Honestly, I agree with your last statement about your entrance today being towny. I still want a Marmot read before we can be friends though.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:07 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:58 pm jagged's posts (particularly in the early game) did feel a bit "off" to me as well, but in a way that i find difficult to describe. if i had to put it into words, it would sound something like: "i feel like jagged is forcing himself to be curious about other peoples posts instead of letting the curiosity naturally come to him"

that said, i like the fact that my reads are largely in alignment with jagged's, and i think that some of the stuff that im picking up on is just a result of him playing a more low-key/less "leadership"-focused game, and that would probably make his posts feel different to me regardless of his alignment

this is a long way of saying that i dont really know jagged's alignment but that i'll figure it out

How is everyone on the SPF is probably mafia read?

If you were more towny, I would be 100% behind it.

@Dyslexicon I'm going to need you to vote Marmot