The Syndicate

Also, the post count in this game was far too high, and really unproductive.

Which is more mechanical

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 3:00 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 2:58 pm On a positive town note:

I actually think that town made good mechanical kills on days 2 & 3 where reads were pretty much irrelevant due to town being a cluster fuck of bad reads, and conflicting reads, and shutting down actual correct reads from developing.
I still have no idea what my towntell is that you seem to be keeping so close to your chest.

And ftr you convinced me on Wilgy being town with your little paragraph.

I think the reads I gave in thread can be faked easier than what I was town reading him for.

What I wanted to say at EoD was (I posted at some point that I'd give the correct mech response 10 minutes before EoD): Heal TSP

I wasn't present around EoD though. The reasoning is that Mafia would have healed him earlier, but also telling mafia that's the plan is counter productive.

On a positive town note:

I actually think that town made good mechanical kills on days 2 & 3 where reads were pretty much irrelevant due to town being a cluster fuck of bad reads, and conflicting reads, and shutting down actual correct reads from developing.

Mafia played really well

I'm glad this game is over, it certainly felt like town had a 0% chance of ever forming a majority against mafia from thread vibe & general town disagreements.

DrWilgy town, Syn towni have those town reads, and Scotty gets a pseudo town read for being unyeetable.

How many times do I need to go over my reads?

Except the people I town read.

Nobody is towny

Good, it's not what I think, it's just a few things I thought you might town read.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:49 pm Wait so rask blocked tsp and tsp is telling the thread to double check that claim :/

It is beneficial to claim you role blocked your partner... Easy way to claim 0 actions.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:58 pm It would be really funny if sig randed P1 and random-healed TSP.

I doubt Nanook is randing day actions.

Ok, I'll give you a DrWilgy case, tell me if you think I'm being genuine or not:

DrWilgy is barely playing, yet you can tell he's reading back if you go through his ISO there are several posts where he's not just directly talking about the currently active topic in the thread. When he does this, he's not exclusively doing this as a vanity search for his own name either.

DrWilgy doesn't seem to have an agenda to push, he comes to the thread without a clear idea of who he's going to push, or who he pushed in the past.

I think DrWilgy is obviously town.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:33 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:31 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:30 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:29 pm I don't think DrWilgy is mafia.
This is where you would then add, “because…..”
I've tried on other cases, nobody will care either way about justifications, and will just continue with their read.
All I’ve asked for you all game is explaining your reads, and you fail to do that, and everyone seems to just shrug and say that’s NAI or you’re town for it, but like..help us eliminate you from the POE

See, you want me to explain out of the idea that you might somehow be able to read me from the explanation, not because you care about the content. Your first thought isn't oh I'm interested because he might be right, your first thought is, please be polarized so that I can feel confident about my own solve.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:35 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:34 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:31 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:30 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:29 pm I don't think DrWilgy is mafia.
This is where you would then add, “because…..”
I've tried on other cases, nobody will care either way about justifications, and will just continue with their read.
Let's try this.

I don't care about your read with a lack of justification.
I'm already committed to sheeping Scotty to victory or defeat. I think this town needs more followers right now.
Why Scotty?

Because town has consensus decided never to kill Scotty.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:33 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:31 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:30 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:29 pm I don't think DrWilgy is mafia.
This is where you would then add, “because…..”
I've tried on other cases, nobody will care either way about justifications, and will just continue with their read.
All I’ve asked for you all game is explaining your reads, and you fail to do that, and everyone seems to just shrug and say that’s NAI or you’re town for it, but like..help us eliminate you from the POE

I'm not dying today.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:31 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:30 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:29 pm I don't think DrWilgy is mafia.
This is where you would then add, “because…..”
I've tried on other cases, nobody will care either way about justifications, and will just continue with their read.
Let's try this.

I don't care about your read with a lack of justification.

I'm already committed to sheeping Scotty to victory or defeat. I think this town needs more followers right now.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:30 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:29 pm I don't think DrWilgy is mafia.
This is where you would then add, “because…..”

I've tried on other cases, nobody will care either way about justifications, and will just continue with their read.

I don't think DrWilgy is mafia.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:25 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:20 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:15 pm Why do you think Urist is scum in the Urist/Jack cc when Jack himself is even calling Urist town?
If I considered everyone's town reads, then the entire game is town. Good solve.

I don't recall seeing this from Jack, but I'll take your word that it happened post-mech talk.

My point is that Jack and Urist entered a CC. Jack then decided that Urist was truthful and called it a day.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:57 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:52 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:51 pm Urist, are you Paladin 3?
Paladin 2 is also a block…
Yes, but Paladin 3 informs the blockee they were blocked.
Hence, you saying you don’t know if you were blocked or not, and urist saying you should know you were blocked..
If he used Pal3. If he used Pal2, I wouldn’t.

You’re making a claim for Urist. Urist claimed a block on me AFTER I said I didn’t know if I was blocked or not so if Urist was gonna say I was mechanically outted as lying, he could have said it then.

Maybe he’ll come back and say so (a lie or a host error) but I doubt it cause host error isn’t that common and Urist likely town.

If you think they're both wolves, that's fine, but assuming that you don't why do you take away from this interaction between Urist and Jack that Urist is scum and Jack is town when Jack himself, who has more info in this CC than any of us do, is calling Urist town from it?

I don't take anything away from that particular interaction, notice my SoD position was kill LP, kill Urist... It's logical from town!jack perspective look for some sort of logic behind his impotence. Urist claiming a role block without explicitly saying Jack is outed is very understandable from Jack's perspective IF jack's results are as claimed.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:22 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:19 pm God that was a confusing statement.

I still think jack is bad
I think you're wrong, I'm still sheeping you.
I’m supposed to scare away the sheep, not bring them into the fold

I told you, if you're mafia, I think it's fair to concede. Even though I still think we should have killed you D1.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:19 pm God that was a confusing statement.

I still think jack is bad

I think you're wrong, I'm still sheeping you.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:15 pm Why do you think Urist is scum in the Urist/Jack cc when Jack himself is even calling Urist town?

If I considered everyone's town reads, then the entire game is town. Good solve.

I don't recall seeing this from Jack, but I'll take your word that it happened post-mech talk.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:45 pm I saw that there was an NAA wagon earlier, it's curious to see that one has gone missing. But I'm also still catching up, so maybe I'll spot the reason for that.

For example

I think Urist & LP are mafia within the conflicting claims. I think @Marmot is looking to see what narrative is available rather than scum hunting, thoughts?

Are you mafia?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:44 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:48 pm I want to kill everyone who's had a read that "LP wouldn't do this as mafia because it's bad as either alignment"

That's Dolby, Urist, TSP off the top of my head.

I'll add NAA to this list too.

?

First post of the page, so you know the content is accurate.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:58 pm i still think it's LP. the lie doesnt make much sense. And it's not like she had reason to think that she wouldnt be blocked - she's been decently scum read most of the game

She just keeps trying to thunderdome me for it even though she admitted I was right

It's true, the OMGUS particularly doesn't make sense because LP would have no reason to OMGUS dya in that situation... Because LP knows the action failed, and if Dya is wolf, Dya can just leave LP to deceive town while the wolves actually know what is real.

Some of this is contingent on Sig's alignment, but... I tend to think wolves would just let it play out for a bit knowing LP wouldn't hold the claim.

I think LP is wolf and assumed that her action failed due to the % failure.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:39 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:29 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:26 pm @Jackofhearts2005 what actions?
Pal2 block on Sig (figured he was doing nothing helpful if town and could be doing bad shit if wolf) and then a Pal2 block on Urist. Which like isn’t a brilliant move but like I said, I don’t have any strong scumreads (except now LP).
Ok, so assuming that nobody has a roleblock to claim, there's a 2% chance that Jack is town, 98% chance that jack is mafia (the probability of 2 Fails on 85% in a row.
It would be nice if someone claimed a block but wolves, Dunya and randomized t!Sig (maybe not, idk how his point assignment is determined. Presumably also randomly) can’t or won’t claim blocks on me. Additionally, I was told that I couldn’t earn CP by using Pal1 unless it actually healed poison. Under that logic, a Pal2 block on someone that was only Pal1 (ie who had no action to block) might not earn CP anyway, without the 15% (or whatever) fail chance even entering into it.

Player roles flipped...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:29 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:26 pm @Jackofhearts2005 what actions?
Pal2 block on Sig (figured he was doing nothing helpful if town and could be doing bad shit if wolf) and then a Pal2 block on Urist. Which like isn’t a brilliant move but like I said, I don’t have any strong scumreads (except now LP).

Ok, so assuming that nobody has a roleblock to claim, there's a 2% chance that Jack is town, 98% chance that jack is mafia (the probability of 2 Fails on 85% in a row.

@Jackofhearts2005 what actions?

I gotta say, last time LP was caught in a lie, a bunch of town explained away how it made sense, and definitely not alignment indicative. So maybe I was being too harsh on Dolby, and should instead continue lobbying to have LP killed.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:18 pm Like come on y’all, we need a bone thrown from someone.

I'll vote with you on the basis that you want it the most, and I've already conceded if you're wolf, just ping me when you need me to move my vote.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:07 pm her misapplied logic doesn't make sense, I mean I can see a person actually thinking it does

I mean, it's not that... I just think there has to be exactly one mafia between you and LP, your treatment of the bogus claim doesn't make any sense given that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:06 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:44 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:41 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:58 pm I guarantee I will correctly read Scotty and Hallowcat.
I still don’t know if you’ve committed to scumreading or townreading me yet
I'm going to claim that I'm correct either way, I would have killed you D1, I'm not going to consider you for the rest of the game (you can consider this to be a pseudo town read), and if are wolf, I'll blame town for not heeding my high probability play.
That’s the biggest cop out lol

If it were up to me, I wouldn't have to cop out because you'd be dead.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:56 pm tbf to LP I view her "I was trying to get mafia to kill me to avoid having Sig's alignment confirmed" a not eniterly unbelievable thought process given that she's been repping a "mafia are running the kill through sig" view the whole game

Why not just kill sig then? it's a level 2 ability

@Urist Would you kill Dolby here?

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:53 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:52 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:48 pm I want to kill everyone who's had a read that "LP wouldn't do this as mafia because it's bad as either alignment"

That's Dolby, Urist, TSP off the top of my head.
i guarantee you i never said that
i did say that her actions make no sense regardless of her alignment. i didn't call her town for it.

Ah, you're right:

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:41 pm i think LP has done and said a lot of things that don't make sense as either alignment. i think that makes her an easy target if she's town.

I'm starting a Dolby wagon, probably too early in the day, but one can hope.

-> Progression

(all at various points in the game)

I want to kill everyone who's had a read that "LP wouldn't do this as mafia because it's bad as either alignment"

That's Dolby, Urist, TSP off the top of my head.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:45 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:41 pm LP getting caught in a lie as mafia and claiming they didn't get caught in a lie... Not sure where I've seen that before, but it rhymes with glock... Which incidentally, is a fitting solution to the problem, I think.
I think if wolf LP had her action not go through she'd claim it rather than claim an even worse action on sig at this point. Also thinking about it it gives an excuse for no actioning the next day to.

Like, LP not actually going to sig and having lied about it makes her distinctly more towny.

I wouldn't put it past her to make up a fake action, but come on, Sig? Unless she's specifically aimming for a Sig ML on Day Four... which could be a world but I think that if Sig is town and we ML today scum has basically won at that point, or it's LYLO, one or the other

I want to kill the author of this post so much rn.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:45 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:41 pm LP getting caught in a lie as mafia and claiming they didn't get caught in a lie... Not sure where I've seen that before, but it rhymes with glock... Which incidentally, is a fitting solution to the problem, I think.
I think if wolf LP had her action not go through she'd claim it rather than claim an even worse action on sig at this point. Also thinking about it it gives an excuse for no actioning the next day to.

Like, LP not actually going to sig and having lied about it makes her distinctly more towny.

I wouldn't put it past her to make up a fake action, but come on, Sig? Unless she's specifically aimming for a Sig ML on Day Four... which could be a world but I think that if Sig is town and we ML today scum has basically won at that point, or it's LYLO, one or the other

I want to kill the author of this post so much rn.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:45 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:41 pm LP getting caught in a lie as mafia and claiming they didn't get caught in a lie... Not sure where I've seen that before, but it rhymes with glock... Which incidentally, is a fitting solution to the problem, I think.
I think if wolf LP had her action not go through she'd claim it rather than claim an even worse action on sig at this point. Also thinking about it it gives an excuse for no actioning the next day to.

Like, LP not actually going to sig and having lied about it makes her distinctly more towny.

I wouldn't put it past her to make up a fake action, but come on, Sig? Unless she's specifically aimming for a Sig ML on Day Four... which could be a world but I think that if Sig is town and we ML today scum has basically won at that point, or it's LYLO, one or the other

I want to kill the author of this post so much rn.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:41 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:58 pm I guarantee I will correctly read Scotty and Hallowcat.
I still don’t know if you’ve committed to scumreading or townreading me yet

I'm going to claim that I'm correct either way, I would have killed you D1, I'm not going to consider you for the rest of the game (you can consider this to be a pseudo town read), and if are wolf, I'll blame town for not heeding my high probability play.

LP getting caught in a lie as mafia and claiming they didn't get caught in a lie... Not sure where I've seen that before, but it rhymes with glock... Which incidentally, is a fitting solution to the problem, I think.

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